Ok i'm looking for jobs and there's  NOTHING. NOTHING!!! 

I"ve been looking in craigslist, and There's stuff for Managers, Medical Professionals, Engineers, Database Programmers, Vice President, Assosiate Teacher etc. 

but nothing really like Office help/assistant, etc. Filing clerks, etc. those are jobs I could do

The only thing there is is Receptionists and Admin Assistants but those are for talkative outgoing people and i'm shy , quiet ,and not a good speaker.

So what can i do?

Learn how to be a "talkative outgoing person" by working to overcome your shyness, quietness.

Take a class (or read a good book) about public speaking.  It CAN be learned.

Been there, done that so I have empathy for you but ...  Sometimes, we must do things we feel uncomfortable with in order to get to where we want to be ... like ... employed, n'est pas.

Sound and life changing advice but certainly not a quick fix for someone who needs a job NOW. It takes time to actually overcome shyness but if you need a job now, taking one you're not qualified for in the hopes that you'll "Get Over" your shyness isn't really wise. Definately do something about your shyness once you have a job to keep the roof over your head.

My advice is to look outside your area and be prepared to relocate. Also, look for jobs that might be related to your skill sets. In our current economy you might have to take entry level and work up to your skill set.  That's just something anyone would have to deal with when they're laying off people by the droves these days.

Find something outside your skillset that you're willing to do.  Be willing to go down a level or so in pay.  Be willing to work harder than you have before than less than you were getting before. 

And, above all, be patient...there are 500 jobs in my area and about 500,000 people wanting to fill them. 

Also, get hooked up with a temp agency.  It may only be temporary work, but it's still work.   ;)

 Jenx thatnks.

Be willing to go down a level in pay? hehehe. i've always done Entry level and it's pretty low pay. I'm 29 and i've never had a permanent job. have just done temp jobs, so it's not like i'm one of those people who has always had good paying jobs and  is picky as hell . no!! i'm pretty much a nobody.

I'm ok with anything except my parents dont want me to do dish washing. 

Temp agencies here dont have any jobs recently. nothing. but i'll keep asking them.

In this economy, a job's a job ;)  I went from earning $20 per hour working Loss Prevention for Mastercard to $7 per hour working at a local superstore chain as a Photo Lab Tech.  And even got laid off there when things got heavy.  So, yeah, even if you don't want to take that steep of a cut in pay, you may have to, if you're jobless.  Sometimes, a job's a job, regardless of what it is.

I'm like you - reserved, quiet and definitely NOT a good speaker (if I have two words in my head, BOTH will try and come out at once), but I also work as a checkout assistant in a supermarket, which means talking to customers every day. Was I really equipped for it? Not when I started. Does it get easier with practise? Yes.

Don't be afraid to make mistakes.

In my area the out of work managers, acountants , mechanics and such are packing groceries and making french fries.  It makes it hard when so many people are looking for anything they can get.  Some businesses dont want chatty receptionists , except maybe about the weather , so try law offices, doctors, dentists and that sort of thing.  

You can learn to be more outgoing, dont mistake the chatter for meaningful conversation, its mostly just noise to fill an otherwise uncomfortable silence. ;)   Comment on what a nice day it is , or how nice a woman looks id often safe , if its true.  Networking with friends may be a good option if any of them hear of a job before its advertised.

I hope you find something, the job market is very bad in my area , and bad in yours as well.

 And it's even harder for me. I have no friends. nobody i know and nobody that knows me so i dont have references. I went to the temp agency the other day, they asked me for references and i haven't given them cause i dont have any.

Have you explored the possibility of state or federal service.  For federal service you may start out as a GS-3 or 4 or WG 4, but once you get your foot in the door, more positions are available via bulletins etc.  For state service there are many positions too that you may never  heard of that you can do and that you find interesting--postal service perhaps.

When I first started out, I knew absolutely nothing about anything and being all thumbs didn't help either.  Of course back then we had an extremely aggressive job opportunity program (it was called the draft-Vietnam era) and nobody was hiring until you completed military service.

For state or federal service, you get a background investigation in which character (clean record etc) is the most important part, everything else can be and is learned-you start out as a trainee, take training courses concurrent with OJT (On-the Job Training).

Jan

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there are 500 jobs in my area and about 500,000 people wanting to fill them. 

Someone build a thunder dome... 500,000 people enter, 500 people leave. :ohmy:

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there are 500 jobs in my area and about 500,000 people wanting to fill them. 

Someone build a thunder dome... 500,000 people enter, 500 people leave. :ohmy:

We all got a kick out of that one ;)  I would totally lose, though.  I've never been a fighter, and I'm too lazy to attack ;)

Quote - Ok i'm looking for jobs and there's  NOTHING. NOTHING!!! 

I"ve been looking in craigslist, and There's stuff for Managers, Medical Professionals, Engineers, Database Programmers, Vice President, Assosiate Teacher etc. 

but nothing really like Office help/assistant, etc. Filing clerks, etc. those are jobs I could do

The only thing there is is Receptionists and Admin Assistants but those are for talkative outgoing people and i'm shy , quiet ,and not a good speaker.

So what can i do?

There are two areas that seem to be the hardest hit.  One is unskilled and semi-skilled labor (because of the flood of everyone looking for any possible job) and manufacturing/production labor both skilled and semi-skilled.

For skilled workers (I mean those with specific professional/semi-professional training) it is a little easier to find a job unless their training is very specific, such as assembly line workers.  Usually, they end up having to take lower paying, less skill intensive jobs.  For those with higher-skills usually with formal education requirements, the market is a bit easier but only relatively so - They're dealing with the exact same environment but just with a somewhat smaller sample size in regards to population.  So, it fluctuates a bit more for them than other categories but there is always a demand, somewhere, for their skills.

What should you do?  Well, the first thing is damage control and that means getting a job, any job, in order to pay the bills.  Then, you need to start looking in ernest.  The most important thing right now is just to get some sort of work.  You can look for something better while you're already employed and it's not much more difficult to do than it is when you aren't employed.

If worst comes to worse and you can't find anything, then what you may want to consider is inventing your own job.  In other words, a lot of people get forced into situations where they end up finding themselves starting their own business to make ends-meet.  This may be such a time for you.  Still, it's going to be best if you can find something stable first, work out what it is you'd like to do, and then build on a nest egg to get you over the rough spots.

Good luck!  It's a tough market out there and it's going to get worse, not better.  We're going to be feeling this downturn for the next year, at the very least, if not the next three or five.  So, get what you can NOW and never, ever stop searching for something better, even if you have to start it up yourself! :)

I'm in Michigan- need I say more?

 GEOEGRESS> yes you do cause i dont live in michigan and dont know how it is going for you

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Sorry to hear that.  Michigan seems to be one of those states that is always first and hardest hit when heavy manufacturing jobs see a downturn.  My sympathies...

Hi Tebop and Geoegress

I feel your pain.  I'm down to three days a week myself.

Quote -  GEOEGRESS> yes you do cause i dont live in michigan and dont know how it is going for you

The State of Michigan, home to the city of Detroit, the United States hub of automobile manufacture and associated heavy industry.  Shipping on the Great Lakes, steel production, etc...  a host of economy-sensitive industries..

Michael Moore did his first, groundbreaking, documentary "Roger and Me" based on his hunt for the chairman of GM and plant closings which virtually shut down the town of Flint Michigan.  It's a pretty accurate account of what happens to towns built around large industries.  (I'm not a big fan of Moore but, this early work is definitely worth watching..  some of his later, more politically oriented stuff, is garbage.)

With you here.

Got my degree this year, and apart from a few days here and there, nothing secure or even well paying.

Doesn't help one of the biggest employers in town - Woolworths has just got bust. 
27,000 people across the UK all losing their jobs around xmas.

The other big employers Tesco and Sainsbury say they'll take a lot of ex Woolworths people on because they have shop experience - so not much chance for any one else. Can't even get a box packing job because the temp agencies prefer Poles and Lativans over the locals.

On the postive us brits do have free healthcare - it's not always perfect but it's there - as is a basic benefits system.

Sainsbury and Tesco may take some, but I highly doubt they have the capacity to take all 27,000. At the moment, every business seems to be concentrating on trying to reduce costs. My store is currently under-staffed and main office has told the manager to cancel at least 100 hours of overtime, since we're £36,000 over-budget. It seems like they're just going to drop any extra staff and then run the ones that are left into the ground. My job is only really safe because I work late nights and weekends (the unsociable hours =D), and I'm one of only a few over-18s.

Stop wasting time with craigslist!!
nothing there these days but desparate companies in DENIAL who used to live off Bank credit and now are trying to get people with high skills for slave wages or free!!

notice all the ads for unpaid "internships" but ask for years of experience in all the major graphic programs.

Good thing it is  user moderated so i go there every day just to flag off those insulting "internships"  offers

 That's right wolf.. i noticed that.

Many of the things in that site are fake spam. I fell for it because i sent a resume last week and today checked my mail box, was happy that that company i sent it too wrote back but it was a fake ad thing .

Oh gosh i think i sent a few copies of my resume to fake spam craiglist postings. oh well.

I receive this email they are hiring  part time workers
may help

"The US Census Bureau has announced they are
hiring for Census Takers $18.00 per hours Now! Anyone interested should
apply at the U.S. Census Bureau or link to
http://www.census.gov/2010censusjobs/index.php
<http://www.census.gov/2010censusjobs/index.php> or www.WUSA9.com
<http://www.wusa9.com/>"

I have a job until April (thank heavens for contract work).

Check your resume, see what skills you do have. Make yourself presentable, if you can afford it.
Dress one level above your target job.

You can probably 'fake' being confident, slightly outgoing, at least for the interview (if you get that far). It just seems to me that companies have 'learned' all the recession moves, and instead of doing slowly controlled layoffs, they just automatically go into pauper mode and shovel everyone they can out the door. But that's me, I'm the resident motormouth (at least online). Sometimes I think I'm on the wrong planet...;)

Tebob, I have been there myself not so long ago. What I can recommend is this, visit your local job bank on a regular basis. Most states have these usually within the unemployment office. Look online for local groups of people with similar interest in Jobs as you. This is also a great place to meet new people and make new friends.

Another thing you might need to do is look outside your area. This maybe the hardest thing to do, I know some areas with the current economy is turning people away for some jobs, but hurting for people in other fields. This is the case here in my area of NY State.

Also might want to look at other industries besides what you are currently looking in. By trade I am a computer repair technician, but I took a step back and took a job as a helpdesk technician. Big pay cut, but I do manage to pay bills.

Here's what an employer wants: integrity, reliability, honesty, positive mental attitude, work ethic.

Those things come BEFORE specific skills, references or experience. You still might not get a/the job if you don't have the skills, but if you can exhibit or prove the character traits with strength, you might get a job just because of them, and they will teach you the skills.

Promote yourself on character.

:: og ::

Quote - Here's what an employer wants: integrity, reliability, honesty, positive mental attitude, work ethic.

Those things come BEFORE specific skills, references or experience. You still might not get a/the job if you don't have the skills, but if you can exhibit or prove the character traits with strength, you might get a job just because of them, and they will teach you the skills.

Promote yourself on character.

:: og ::

unless you get a CEO position
:laugh:

CEOs need the same character traits.

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Those things come BEFORE specific skills, references or experience. You still might not get a/the job if you don't have the skills, but if you can exhibit or prove the character traits with strength, you might get a job just because of them, and they will teach you the skills.

:: og ::

Yes good character is a requirement of civilizedlife but ....IM going to have to offer friendly disagreement  with John's over all assesment of today job market
perhaps those qualities are crucial for people applying to certain industries like nonprofit
organizations which tend to be more "touchy/ feely"

But  in there area of graphic design and visual arts i see nothing but incessant demand for experience in big name Programs:

 Look at this **INSULTING ** typical  ad from the aforementioned "craigslist"
demanding ALL of this professional application skill while offering a mind numbing salary of :................................

$0 DOLLARS!!!

"The Company:
XXXXAdvertising is a full-service advertising and public relations agency specializing in the marketing of real estate, travel, tourism and luxury goods.

The Work:
• Most projects will be print-based and production-oriented
• Making revisions to clients’ ad designs
• Reviewing and altering created layouts
• Helping with the organization of our design production

The Requirements:
• Ideal applicant should be a Graphic Design major in their Junior or Senior year of undergraduate studies.
• Must have an enthusiastic interest in advertising, experience in graphic design, and aspirations to be an art director
• Strong Photoshop visual effects and retouching/color correcting skills
• Macintosh OSX version10.4.11, Adobe CS2 (InDesign, Photoshop, Illustrator)
• Knowledge of web, file prep, html, and flash a PLUS!
• Must possess a keen eye for design, with strong typography, layout, Photoshop and vector illustration skills
• Must be hard working; detail oriented, and can work both independently and as part of a team
• Must be able to work quickly and efficiently under very tight deadlines.

The Other Information:
• 3 months – Flexible schedule

• This is an unpaid internship, but a great resume builder.

• Email resume and AT LEAST 5 work samples, either in the body of the email or as an attachment to:
mjorge@XXXXXX.com
Put: “Graphic Design – Spring 2009 Internship” in the subject line of your email.
EOE* ."

??????

A job like that is to lure someone with no work experience what so ever. Jobs like that you have posted you will see occasionally for Computer related jobs, not many now. This is so that a company can get someone they can mold into what they want then if the person works out they might hire them, other wise, kicked to the curb and adios and thanks for the free work!

Craigslist is Deluged with such postings

the companies are in Denial!!!

In 18 years in Design & prepress I have NEVER met a recent collage grad who had useful experience with  adobe illustrator/photoshop etc in a real world  print production setting.

 Hey so i was looking ini a local hospital website

They  have some jobs but they ask for references( which i dont have).....

but then  it says in the website
"References - list people you have known for at least a year, excluding relatives or former employers"

what the????!!! I thought references would be employers. So if they're not employers what do they want?

oh man this is haaaard. If i didn't live with relatives i would be homeless. Moreover i dont even get any unemployment benefits or anything cause i didn't qualify.

They are looking for personal references  ... list your friends.

;=]

 What friends? i dont have any and never had. Most of you have friends but i'm shy and never had friends.

Quote -  What friends? i dont have any and never had. Most of you have friends but i'm shy and never had friends.

You should spend less time with poser and more time with real humans
as you will be expected to do just such t that when you do re-enter  the workplace.

@ tebop .............Never ???...... in 29 years ......... NEVER ?????????? :blink:

Me thinks one of my lower extremities is being yanked upon.  Hmmm??? :sneaky:

Hmmm ... Been here over 8 years and no homepage, no bio, no images uploaded, no freestuff, nothing in the store ... ???   Just what is it that you do ..... besides post an OT request for help? :huh:

Just general advice:
 tebop Social Skills and human interaction are import
in this modern society So you might want to consider "getting out" a little
even if it just to volunteer  one sunday at a church/mosque/synagogue or some place where  real non poser humans gather and socialize.

Tebop, its part of a background investigation-they want to know what type of person you are.  If nobody knows you-that's a heck of a lot better that if some one says, oh that is the house that has police over there several times a month, or that is the house that has a lot of crummy looking people coming and going at all hours of the night.  They will ask folks that you didn't mention in your neighborhood too.   How do I know, well I had to go for Secret and Top Secret clearances several times during my career and the FBI was extremely thorough. Oh, yes, I always got the required clearances. 

Jan

 interesting Plutom. Thanks for the info. But well, just cause i dont have references i won't be given a chance to apply for a job? that sucks. Some of us are different , you know.. not everyone is social.

And if we know someone it's our family or relatives. I wonder why those can't be used as references, those are the only ones i've got.

Wolf, yes i understand. 

Geep? mmmmm... anything's possible! just becaues you don't hang around people like me. doesn't mean we don't exist. :)

In the paper today they were talking about how there were 3 jobs working in a landfill and over 130 people showed up to apply for them.

Methinks it's starting to get bad.

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Geep? mmmmm... anything's possible! just becaues you don't hang around people like me. doesn't mean we don't exist. :)

I did not say you don't exist ... I am just curious why you are here attempting (IMVHO) to pull on good intentioned people's heartstrings, that's all.

cheers,
dr geep
;=]

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(I'm not a big fan of Moore but, this early work is definitely worth watching..  some of his later, more politically oriented stuff, is garbage.)

All of Moore's movies are garbage and heavily edited with altered time lines and manufactured content.  He wouldn't know a documentary if he tripped over one.    (by the way, Roger did speak with Moore, before the movie was created)   

Tebop, I kind of understand what you're going through.  After I graduated from college it was difficult finding something either pertaining to my degree or that I wasn't overqualified for.  References were a little hard too because I had moved around a bit.  You do have references from your work experience.  There are people from your temp agency that you can refer to.  My suggestion is to not go into online forums or into temp agencies if you want to find permanent (or stable) work.  References can be anyone - your parents, siblings, people that you went to high school, college, church, etc with.  Just list people who can say that they know you - the fact that you are shy is an advantage since no one is going to really have anything negative to say about your character.

I have seen some of your modelling work and think that probably the best place for you to look for a job is Best Buy, Circuit City, or some other computer related retail.  It would probably be more comfortable to you and I think that you will find it easier to depersonalize and deal with people than you think.

 Thanks PapaBlueMarlin

But  you said " have seen some of your modelling work".

Reallly?????? I have never done any modeling. And certainly  haven't really shared any of my projects in here. I mostly just have ideas for Poser projects but i haven't done any modeling. So that was interesting when you said you had seen my modeling.

I got your screen name mixed up with Teyon, who is a 3D modeller here.  My bad...but do consider my advice on how to get your references.  Most job places just want you to put someone down, even if it's Walmart.  It's just an application requirement - but most employers know that not everyone has current references or local contacts.

 Last time when i tried to Register to a temp agency, I used one of my last bosses and apparently he gave a really bad reference because after that the agency just told me "Sorrry we can't help you anymore" and i kept asking why and they just didn't want to tell me anything.

By the way, i think i know why. That boss, i kinda quit because I told them i had ear problems and they did't want to do nothing about it...it was a really noisy office next to a loud machine shop.. so I couldn't take it.

That was the boss prior to the last boss. The last boss i also quit because even though i told them that i broke my shoulder in that job.. they kept making me carry boxes and my shoulder was getting worse.

The only reason i'm now better than before( you might remember I told you about my problem) is because i have refused to do any lifting. But my shoulder still hurts loads.. and its abnormal now. 
So i quit because dumb boss didn't care...So as you can see.. 2 jobs that i can't use as references and those 2 jobs where the longest jobs i've had....So, it's too bad i can't even use them as reference.

PapaBlue

thanks for your info. SO you think i should use these jobs even if i know they may talk bad about me..? And you said i can use my your parents, siblings, people that you went to high school, college, church, etc with.  

Ok i'll use my parents:)
And my sisters:)  But highschool and church and college wouldn't work since i never had any friends there and nobody knew me...AND i dont know their phone numbers or even name.

Oh i have an idea. How about if i use my sister's husband as a reference.. His last name is different than mine so nobody will know i'm related. Well but i dont even talk to him so we don't really know eachother.

BUT He did!!! see my Poser movie that i made in 2006.

You may have to put them down as a part of your employment history, but when don't use those employers as references.  Most applications will ask why you left a job, just put personal illness, as you quit and weren't fired.  You have a work history which trumps references in some cases.   People quit jobs to go to othe jobs for all kinds of  reasons.  They may only be asked to verify that you worked there and nothing more about you personally.  Make sure your interviewers know about any physical limitations you may have.  Use your parents, sister, grandparents, etc.   Your parents may have neighbors or close friends who don't particularly know you, but may "vouch" for you on association with your folks so that you can get a job.  They just need to be able to say they've met you and you're a nice guy, not that they particularly know you.  Anyone can say something nice and most people aren't going to say something nasty about a person they don't know very well just to prevent them from getting a job.  It's just a general impression of you in case anyone asks.  I don't suggest separating your sister and her husband as different references in case someone does check up on them.

Quote - All of Moore's movies are garbage and heavily edited with altered time lines and manufactured content.  He wouldn't know a documentary if he tripped over one.    (by the way, Roger did speak with Moore, before the movie was created) 

Kendra,
This may or may not be true. What one perceives to be true or not depends largely on one's own biases and on what sources one trusts, and opinions vary widely on what constitutes a documentary. Just stating that something is the case does not prove it. Opinions are like ... well, nevermind. Care to offer well documented (and I do generally demand extensive documentation before I believe very much of anything these days) and various examples?

In any case, I'd be willing to bet Moore's work is no less accurate than a lot of what passes for the news these days.

tebop,
You gotta get out. You gotta network. I was painfully shy when I was young, and I was forced to get out and work and socialize, etc. It was either that or not survive. It was the most painful, godawful, stressed-out experience of my life, but nowadays I take all that, and oodles more, in stride. Just dive in. And keep diving. You'll be as uncomfortable as hell, but you'll be a lot stronger and more confident for it in the long run. And forget all these folks telling you it is all about your job skills, or integrity or whatever. Those things matter, sure. But what it is really all about is your people skills. There is nothing else you can learn that will take you further than good people skills, and there is nothing that will hold you back more than the lack thereof.

Oh I have proof for you:

Moore Caught in his 'Roger & Me" lie
Sicko Heavily Doctored
59 Deceits in Fahrenheit 9/11
The Truth about Bowling for Columbine
Links refuting the "Utopian Cuban Health Care System"
The Real Cuba

Michael Moore is a propagandist. A propagandist manipulates a constructed reality by tugging on the emotions. He is not constrained by the need to be objective and make only true statements.

If you say this:
(A)"...What one perceives to be true or not depends largely on one's own biases..."
and then say this:
(B)"Care to offer well documented (and I do generally demand extensive documentation before I believe very much of anything these days) and various examples?"
how would that be of any use, since your bias -- by your own statement A -- drives your perception. Wouldn't any "belief" of truth or falsity you reached in the sources you "demanded" be mere empty perception, "true" or "false" as validated by a standard only found in your biased world view?

Your other remark "In any case, I'd be willing to bet Moore's work is no less accurate than a lot of what passes for the news these days." only further makes your post void. "In any case" means regardless of whether your opponent presents evidence or not, regardless of whether it is true or not. Yet......you still "bet" which in your postmodernist tone means "proffer as truthiness" that Moore is no less accurate...etc. What if Moore is proven to be a big fat liar? "In that case" would you still bet he is accurate as most news? And since -- according to you -- the validation of truth has been supplanted by subjective perception laden with bias, on what basis do you judge the 'truth' of evidence anyway?

By the way, even if a fact were to be discovered in a Moore film, that still does not make him a documentarian.

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Thanks.

I don't have the time or energy to check all these out thoroughly right now, though I hope to give it more attention eventually.

However, just skimming over the first three links you offered:

I noticed the first doesn't prove very much of anything, i.e., the claim that Moore creates the impression he was cut off may or may not be an accurate interpretation, but I would have to watch the movie again to determine whether it is or not. Further, the claim that his mike was not cut off is, again, merely asserted, not proven. That there is a transcript is, again, asserted, but the transcript is not produced, so far as I noticed. Nor is there is any proof offered that Smith ever publicly addressed Moore's comment and, unless I misinterpreted, the video quotes Smith as saying he did not respond. Finally, at the end of the video, though this may be a somewhat damning confession depending on the context, at least when I play it back, the movement of Moore's lips does not appear to match the audio, whatever that may or may not mean.

The second appears to mostly express unsupported opinions of the author, provide anecdotal evidence (which again proves very little as for every anecdote that demonstrates one thing there is almost always an anecdote that demonstrates its opposite), and asks a rhetorical question or two without any indication that the writer did any research to find out if Moore's assertions were factual or not, i.e., they are apparently just assumed by the author to have been "blithely" asserted on Moore's part.

The third very promptly opines "may have cost Bush thousands of votes from the conservative panhandle, as discouraged last-minute voters heard that their state had already been decided" without providing any evidence to substantiate the "conservative" characterization and without any mention of the possibility that the same circumstance may have cost Gore votes as well -- which seems, on the surface at least, to betray some partisan bias on the part of the author, which may or may not color the author's judgment and interpretations as to what is and is not deceitful and/or intentional. I would have to investigate further to determine that.

So . . . my first impression is that there are interpretations going on in all three of these, and apparently some cherry-picking of facts as well, but very little, so far, that indicates the authors are being substantially more honest -- or exhaustive with the facts -- than Moore.

And in any case, though I've only seen 2 of his films, my impression is that Moore is fairly upfront about his bias. In my opinion he makes it amptly clear he is promoting his point of view. The authors of the above-mentioned critiques seem to imply it is dishonest to promote a point of view, but I find a filmmaker that is upfront about the fact that that is exactly what he is doing to be far more honest than what is most often merely the pretense of objectivity, whether we should call him a documentarian or not.

The accusations in the above links of intentional deceit presuppose that a documentarian must be exhaustive and objective in every sense, that there can be no unconscious bias, i.e., all interpretations of all facts must be entirely conscious if the deceit is intentional, and further, the omission of any significant fact can, and perhaps should, be interpreted as intentional deceit. By that standard, I'm not convinced any documentary that has ever been, or any that will ever be, could ever be characterized as anything other than deceit, as there is always room for one more salient fact on one side or the other of any issue, and there will always be many who will feel that the omission of that fact did irreparable harm to their "side" of the argument.

In short, I'm not all that impressed so far, but as I said, I mostly skimmed. There may very well be good information here. I hope to eventually take more time to look into it, and will withhold any further judgment until I do.