stagehand opened this issue on Jan 03, 2009 · 71 posts
stagehand posted Sat, 03 January 2009 at 1:39 PM
I have done this before which is driving me crazy because I cannot remember how I did it. I am attempting to export a group of primitive objects as an obj file. I can do that no problem, but I also want to export the texture maps along with it.
I seemed to have tried all the various settings in the export options to no avail. Again when I have done this before I've ended up with both and obj and jpg files. But for the life of me I can't figure how I did it. Can someone please give me a quick primer to jog my memory?
Thanks
bwtr posted Sat, 03 January 2009 at 2:52 PM
Group the items to be Exported. (Name). keep selected.
Go to File>Export, select .obj, make sellections as required in the .obj dropdown.
Hope that helps
Brian
bwtr
GKDantas posted Sat, 03 January 2009 at 2:57 PM
stagehand posted Sat, 03 January 2009 at 3:02 PM
Thanks Brian. Those are the steps that I have been following but when I import the obj into Poser it only has a color attached to it and not a texture map.
stagehand posted Sat, 03 January 2009 at 3:09 PM
Quote - Are you using procedural textures?
I'm going to show my ignorance because I am not completely sure what procedural textures are. What I'm doing I think is fairly basic. I'm using one of the stock textures that comes with Carrara, Metals -> Black Palina. I have not made any adjustments to it at all.
GKDantas posted Sat, 03 January 2009 at 3:15 PM
This is a procedural shader.... procedural means that Carrara uses math to create a shader and not a image... so only with Inagoni baker you can export this procedural as image...
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stagehand posted Sat, 03 January 2009 at 3:36 PM
Ok, that makes perfect sense, I'm not going crazy. I tried using a different texture that did contain an image as an experiment. When I exported that, I did receive a separate jpg which is what I must have done before. Thank you for the help :)
GKDantas posted Sat, 03 January 2009 at 4:48 PM
bwtr posted Sat, 03 January 2009 at 7:09 PM
Someone has to say this!
Why would anyone who had Carrara need to take things into Poser?
(Doing that is "reverse engineering"!)
Anyway, whatever, have fun!
Brian
bwtr
GKDantas posted Sat, 03 January 2009 at 7:20 PM
stagehand posted Sat, 03 January 2009 at 8:41 PM
That may be true, but given that I am much more familiar with Poser I still find it much easier for things like character set up and lighting. Granted over time it may be the other way around, but for now I'm still learning.
bwtr posted Sat, 03 January 2009 at 8:48 PM
ShawnDriscoll posted Sat, 03 January 2009 at 10:15 PM
ShawnDriscoll posted Sat, 03 January 2009 at 10:19 PM
ShawnDriscoll posted Sat, 03 January 2009 at 10:25 PM
stagehand posted Sat, 03 January 2009 at 11:14 PM
Quote - Here is the same object rendered in Vue. So yes, Carrara's textures can reach out to other 3D apps.
Thank you! Good information to know.
bwtr posted Sun, 04 January 2009 at 12:01 AM
Sorry, is that, really, what you consider a Carrara Render?
Here is one that is about as easy and simple as you can get.
Brian
bwtr
ShawnDriscoll posted Sun, 04 January 2009 at 12:10 AM
ShawnDriscoll posted Sun, 04 January 2009 at 12:12 AM
ShawnDriscoll posted Sun, 04 January 2009 at 12:14 AM
Now add some realism to that castle of yours, Brian.
bwtr posted Sun, 04 January 2009 at 1:13 AM
Brian
bwtr
bwtr posted Sun, 04 January 2009 at 1:13 AM
bwtr
bwtr posted Sun, 04 January 2009 at 1:15 AM
bwtr
stagehand posted Sun, 04 January 2009 at 1:19 AM
Quote - Where does "Realism" start and finish though?
As an old Pro photograper I don't get that serious any more.
All in Carrara.Brian
I found one of those in my backyard once ;)
ShawnDriscoll posted Sun, 04 January 2009 at 1:55 AM
Quote - Where does "Realism" start and finish though?
I don't know about finish (maybe something that one can scratch and sniff). But it starts when something virtual looks like a photograph of something real.
bwtr posted Sun, 04 January 2009 at 2:26 AM
And all those years we photogrophers bent over backwards to make our images less "photoghraphic". All those trophies I won for heading that "different" way!
Have you seen all the new filters for Photoshop where you can produce the effects of all the older individual type colour and b&w films?
Why there is such a strong element in, some, 3D circles to be so "photographically ??" exact defeats so many basic principle of creating great artistic imagery.
But thats a 76 year old, multi mediums, artists view!
Brian
bwtr
ShawnDriscoll posted Sun, 04 January 2009 at 2:47 AM
Some don't want art. Some present their ideas better if it looks real. FX in movies look real. Disney and Pal presented their moon trip ideas in the mid 50's as realistic as they could. Then Kubrick pushed realism further. You should have been a painter instead of a photographer if you didn't want your stuff to look real.
Anyway. If you have all those years of photo-realism under your belt, I'd like to see a photoreal Carrara render from you one day.
bwtr posted Sun, 04 January 2009 at 3:52 AM
I am an artist--painter/sculptor/.wood carver--oils, watercolour/pencil/crayon--whatever--life drawing--teaching art/photography etc etc?
You are saying those images I just presented are NOT photoreal?
(I used to be paid big money to produce photo images like that earlier Castle one!)
It's a bit like saying someone has perspectives wrong ---at last count there are some 38 different types of perspective theory.
It all should be fun because it's not in the least of any consequence in the end.
Brian
bwtr
ShawnDriscoll posted Sun, 04 January 2009 at 4:10 AM
Quote - I am an artist--painter/sculptor/.wood carver--oils, watercolour/pencil/crayon--whatever--life drawing--teaching art/photography etc etc?
You are saying those images I just presented are NOT photoreal?
Yep.
Quote - (I used to be paid big money to produce photo images like that earlier Castle one!)
Ok. I hope you didn't tell them it was photoreal.
Quote - It's a bit like saying someone has perspectives wrong ---at last count there are some 38 different types of perspective theory.
But just one fact for 3D perspective -- the vanishing point.
Quote - It all should be fun because it's not in the least of any consequence in the end.
Why bother with art then? It should be for both at least.
bwtr posted Sun, 04 January 2009 at 4:14 AM
Just a thought for the day.
A pencil, a paint brush, a pound of clay, a camera, a computer---all have identical, intrinsic, levels of art/craft potentential.
Brian
bwtr
ShawnDriscoll posted Sun, 04 January 2009 at 4:27 AM
Quote - A pencil, a paint brush, a pound of clay, a camera, a computer---all have identical, intrinsic, levels of art/craft potentential.
So your renders are only as good as your paintings? And your sculptures are only as good as your drawings?
One still needs to know depth of field, field of view, lighting, shading, shadowing, lens blur, lens glare, lens flare, diffuse color and gray values, highlight, shine, reflection, refraction, transparency, dark and light drawing, wet and dry painting.
Anyway, post you best artwork ever in your gallery and we'll see if it has "any consequence".
Thelby posted Sun, 04 January 2009 at 6:19 AM
Shawn, where do you get "BAKER" plugin for Carrara and is it in the Carrara 7 flavor yet??? I am work currently so if it's native Carrara Plugin I will look when I get home in 5 + hours!!! 8^P
I would rather
be Politically Incorrect,
Then have Politically
Correct-Incorrectness!!!
ShawnDriscoll posted Sun, 04 January 2009 at 6:25 AM
www.inagoni.com sells Baker. Carrara 7 version will be out soon if it isn't already. I checked just now. It looks like Julien is updating his site. No Carrara 5 anymore :(
Anyway, he'll know more about it.
Thelby posted Sun, 04 January 2009 at 12:59 PM
Thanks SO Much for that. I have wondered about this question myself!!!
I would rather
be Politically Incorrect,
Then have Politically
Correct-Incorrectness!!!
bwtr posted Sun, 04 January 2009 at 3:11 PM
Shawn
I haven't posted to galleries for ages but you will find some here and (better?) at Polyloop going back a bit.. (Well--- going back a bit?--I only found a computer on-switch in August 2002! And a Computers For Dummies paperback!)
And, the hours I have spent teaching that photographic theory /art principles over the years---would you like a couple of walls full of text books to borrow? Or the box full of imagery/art awards?
All going to go out in the rubbish collection any time soon--completely unimportant.
Thelby
Have a good look at the DCG "Enhance C" plugin--well worth having.
Brian
bwtr
Thelby posted Sun, 04 January 2009 at 3:57 PM
Quote - Thelby
Have a good look at the DCG "Enhance C" plugin--well worth having.Brian
I'll head over there right now, Thanks!!!
I would rather
be Politically Incorrect,
Then have Politically
Correct-Incorrectness!!!
bwtr posted Sun, 04 January 2009 at 4:49 PM
Thelby
http://forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=102674&highlight=carrara+plugin&flatnum=1
Keep an eye on this site of Jeremys . He has some great FREE plugins for Carrara to which this new one will be added soon. http://www.sparrowhawke3d.com/
Brian
bwtr
ShawnDriscoll posted Sun, 04 January 2009 at 5:01 PM
Quote - would you like a couple of walls full of text books to borrow? Or the box full of imagery/art awards?
I assumed you had some of your greatest artwork lying around (any medium, not just computer artwork) that you could take a photo of and post in your gallery here.
bwtr posted Sun, 04 January 2009 at 5:50 PM
Why would I, or need to do that?
I have been judged by my peers. Works published internationally, in several languages---all completely irrelevant--past history!
Do you care?
Brian
bwtr
ShawnDriscoll posted Sun, 04 January 2009 at 6:08 PM
Just say you don't have anything good to show us. That's all. You post more links (without references) to the Carrara PDF manual than you do any artwork. Anyway... If you say you're such a great artist, I guess we'll just have to take your word for it. People claim to be anything on the Internet.
bwtr posted Sun, 04 January 2009 at 6:09 PM
Is the attached image any good?
(It earned me a $5000? copy of XSI in a CG competion!)
Do I think its good?
Who cares?
I had fun!
Brian
bwtr
ShawnDriscoll posted Sun, 04 January 2009 at 6:11 PM
No comment.
geep posted Sun, 04 January 2009 at 6:12 PM
I'll comment and say ...**
WOW !!! ....... Just WOW !!!**
That's magnificent! ............ Thanks for posting it here. :thumbupboth:
cheers,
dr geep
;=]
Remember ... "With Poser, all things are possible, and poseable!"
cheers,
dr geep ... :o]
edited 10/5/2019
ShawnDriscoll posted Sun, 04 January 2009 at 6:14 PM
We need to get Miss Nancy in on this to judge.
geep posted Sun, 04 January 2009 at 6:14 PM
Because .................. ?
Remember ... "With Poser, all things are possible, and poseable!"
cheers,
dr geep ... :o]
edited 10/5/2019
ShawnDriscoll posted Sun, 04 January 2009 at 6:15 PM
Similar art style
geep posted Sun, 04 January 2009 at 6:19 PM
Oh, ok. 
Remember ... "With Poser, all things are possible, and poseable!"
cheers,
dr geep ... :o]
edited 10/5/2019
bwtr posted Sun, 04 January 2009 at 8:20 PM
Similar "ART STYLE "on the day, at the point in time, as related to the needs/specification of the questions asked?
It's all in the perspective?
Sorry--how would I have marked some of these "exam" responses?
Brian
"The old farts at it again!"---hey!, at 76 I am happy with that!
bwtr
ShawnDriscoll posted Sun, 04 January 2009 at 8:50 PM
A cultural thing.
ShawnDriscoll posted Sun, 04 January 2009 at 8:54 PM
I'm showing your $5,000 winner to a 3rd-grader.
ShawnDriscoll posted Sun, 04 January 2009 at 9:15 PM
Quote - I hope some people are learning something from this thread.
Is the attached image any good?
It looks like the Emperor has no clothes.
bwtr posted Sun, 04 January 2009 at 9:47 PM
Shawn
Perspective/horizon line/one or two or three vanishing points or none of the above?
That "contest" "win" of XSI had nothing to do with "artisticality"!
Like many others, we recieved that copy of XSI because we completed a series of set tasks.
Thinking lateraly is very important in arts and crafts
Ahhh well--I tried
Have fun.
Brian
bwtr
ShawnDriscoll posted Sun, 04 January 2009 at 9:51 PM
You can only fool some of the people all of the time. Frankly, I don't go for your BS.
bwtr posted Mon, 05 January 2009 at 12:39 AM
Can you not see how ,miserably, I have failed you! (I could restructure that sentence?)
Is not Art/Photography all about that "--" ??
Brian
bwtr
bwtr posted Mon, 05 January 2009 at 1:10 AM
[http://www.worldofescher.com/gallery/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.C._Escher#Works](http://www.worldofescher.com/gallery/)
bwtr
bwtr posted Mon, 05 January 2009 at 4:25 AM
I have the very first edition of this book--I see it is now in edition 7.
If I was to reccomend a basic reference book on art principles I am sure this would be at the top of my list..
A joy to read, learn and understand about "art" regardless of the medium!
Brian
bwtr
ShawnDriscoll posted Mon, 05 January 2009 at 5:49 AM
Now all you have to learn is: how to texture models, give characters believable poses, add proper lighting to them, create a scene in context that tells a story of more than 10 words and gets the viewer involved.
See http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=235&t=614482
It wasn't really $5,000.
Thelby posted Mon, 05 January 2009 at 6:45 AM
That was some very interesting reading in the thread. I know now why my image "I Will Remember You" did not make it to the 3D Forum Gallery. Thanks for that info, I will be more cautious in the future!!!
I would rather
be Politically Incorrect,
Then have Politically
Correct-Incorrectness!!!
ShawnDriscoll posted Mon, 05 January 2009 at 6:54 AM
LOL. No one believed that IBM computer was still being used by anyone. Update that object and the image is more real. Its texture didn't look right compared to the rest of the scene.
Thelby posted Mon, 05 January 2009 at 7:03 AM
Hmm, OK, I got ya on that about the IBM logo and for the record one of my Intel Core2Duos is IBM. I recently, (last October), put a heatsink on it and it screams now and pushes the 5GHz range on core 1. It's a tuff machine.
I would rather
be Politically Incorrect,
Then have Politically
Correct-Incorrectness!!!
ShawnDriscoll posted Mon, 05 January 2009 at 7:06 AM
The desktop case and monitor clash with that flat panel 1080p TV. :) Your IBM does not look like that. It screams PCAT or PS/2.
Thelby posted Mon, 05 January 2009 at 7:29 AM
I agree. That IBM in the image is about an 500MHz tops, LOL, but just to have started modeling and it was Free, I used it and to the common image creaters it was OK, but I understand now why it is not. As a quick fix for that I have snapped a couple of photos of my current IBM and I can texture a cube in Carrara easy enough, so from the distance is should be acceptable. I really appreciate the info. I get so tired of the "WELL DONE IMAGE" comment in hopes that I will comment in return, because I scratch your back-you scratch back Crap. I want some Constructive Critiques Dang-it!!!!!!!
I would rather
be Politically Incorrect,
Then have Politically
Correct-Incorrectness!!!
bwtr posted Mon, 05 January 2009 at 3:22 PM
Just to finish off--
Which one(s) of the images I have put on this thread not involved with camera/film/darkroom?
Brian
(No free full copy of XSI to use!)
bwtr
bwtr posted Mon, 05 January 2009 at 4:17 PM
Shawn was right!
Todays value of the XSI Advanced which I have is AU$7000!
Brian
bwtr
ShawnDriscoll posted Mon, 05 January 2009 at 11:32 PM
Academic is not that much.
bwtr posted Mon, 05 January 2009 at 11:46 PM
Shawn.
I was given Advanced---sorry if that dissapoints! (With no restrictions that effect my way of life!)
Folks, Shawn and I go back a long way.
Sorry if the thread has been side tracked but I hope some learning has been derived.
I, at least, am wetting my pants with laughter at nearly every post.
Anyone would think all this stuff was serious!
Brian
bwtr
ShawnDriscoll posted Tue, 06 January 2009 at 1:23 AM
Bwtr -- they gave you the academic priced one. You were a squeeky wheel over there and they gave it to you as hush money. XSI was bought out anyway just after the Uplift Challenge. Your JPG did not come in 1st, or 2nd, or 3rd, or 4th, or 5th or.... honorary, or... Good job though on weaseling a free 3D app out of the deal.
And stop telling everybody how old you are. Just use the XSI without anymore excuses why you can't. You act like you are the only person your age using a computer. Get over it. :)
bwtr posted Tue, 06 January 2009 at 1:40 AM
Shaun
Do you not, yet, realise how you prove my points?
Brian
Give the thread a rest.
bwtr
ShawnDriscoll posted Tue, 06 January 2009 at 1:46 AM
The FSM model you took from someone else was pure genius. Your trying to get away with using it for your own copy&paste scene and pushing it as your own original modeling was top notch.
What art school did you say you went to?
bwtr posted Tue, 06 January 2009 at 3:36 AM
Attention Mark Bremmer
I guess I am at fault at leading Shawn on.
However ,he has now, in at least three instances, got into the area of libel.
I hope XS!, CG Talk and Balistics Publishing have not noted.
Brian
Sorry for the trouble
bwtr
ShawnDriscoll posted Tue, 06 January 2009 at 3:45 AM
Google has you stating serveral times to everyone on various forums that you won a copy of XSI. So I assumed you did somehow. You even posted your winning image everywhere. So where on CGsociety's challenges does it say your name and what place you came in?
Like you say. We go a long way back. So I'll drop it.