Fat Brad @ 11000 poly's as you see him (17000 with eyes and teeth and genitals)

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That's a cool model, have fun rigging that though :) I can see you're going to want a lot of extra bones you wouldn't need in other situations, for each and every wattle. Needs a bit more flab in the thighs though imo.

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That's pretty good!
I think I'd have named him Sumo Brad though. ;-)

@pjz99: I think it's going to be rough :) Trying now to figure out a rigg on paper, one good thing though is he can't really bend forward much in the waist or chest, makes it a little easier.

@MikeJ: Sumo Brad...I like it!

He's fun to work with :)

Cheers,

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I NEVER saw anyone with a DOUBLE BELLY! Double chin, yes, but not the otherwise. Being on public assistance, I'm on a high carb, low protein diet. I get free bread where I live, but protein costs money. I'm not on food stamps yet (damned bozos) but once my diet gets straightened out, I can avoid looking like Rikishi, much less SUPER-SIZED BRAD!

His super-power is just falling on people.

Seriously, there should be a crease line at the navel, not above it. Makes him look like a mutant,IMO.

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for a sec, I thought it said fat *broad...*and the man-boobs had me going for another sec...;)

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)

I agree with Joelgaine. The crease should be at navel-level.

Then again.. Women divide at that point. Not sure about men. They just tend to get one large potbelly ;)

Don't ask me how I know.

Anyway he looks awesome! I love that more and more "non-model" people are coming for Poser!

I think you're right that crease just don't look right. Well easy to fix :) I'm gonna put in a navel too.

I got an idea worked out for the rig. For all the jiggles I may just have to learn how to rig magnets :lol: Been putting it off.

Yes, there are too many Poser people already, got to branch out and do something besides perfect characters.

Anyone out there ever read Heliconia spring, summer, fall and winter? There was a creature in those books called a phagor, which had backward jointed knees and looked something like a minotuar with long white fur. I've been working on some sketches for a similar character. Might be interesting to build.

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Quote - I agree with Joelgaine. The crease should be at navel-level.

Then again.. Women divide at that point. Not sure about men. They just tend to get one large potbelly ;)

Don't ask me how I know.

Anyway he looks awesome! I love that more and more "non-model" people are coming for Poser!

And just HOW do you know, TG? LOL

Cool model! He would also be a great bouddha.

Very nice!

best regards,

Bopper.

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And just HOW do you know, TG? LOL

OMG! Of all threads here.. you should find THIS! Well.. I thought I'd promised you not to tell.. but ok.. from that picture you know.. the one you sent me of you in the mankini.

Mike--Actually magnets can be fun. First, download the mirror magnets by lesbently and go wild. I do loads of morphs with magnets. You can save those as morphs using the OBJECT menu on the menu bar. Click the affected body part and click save Morph, and put in a name. Simple as that.

@ Trekkiegrrrl--TO MUCH INFORMATION! AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

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Quote - the one you sent me of you in the mankini.

Should I be afraid?!

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

Men generally develop a crease earlier in the pot belly development cycle. Some of it comes from cinching up the belt too tight, because the shape 'causes our trousers to slip down. So, the crease should be at belt height. If you sketch (on paper) some clothes over a rendering of him, that should show about where the crease would naturally fall.

He looks great, potential crease-location issues notwithstanding. Rigging him should be quite an adventure. But I trust if anyone can do it in Poser, it's you.

Is that a brand-new mesh or a modification of the existing Brad? Also, getting this to render nicely in Poser at 11k polys is quite an achievement in itself.

-- I'm not mad at you, just Westphalian.

More man-boobies !!

Genitals? Really? He can't even reach them...and if he was being...erm..'serviced'...there would be some sort of jack involved or she would suffocate.

:)

--Rebekah--

Gawd! Bekah! We all thought that, but you're the first to say it.:laugh: LOLOLOLOL

ANYWAY!-----Mike, this version would make a great figure from a slobby uncle to a fine dressed Maffia Kinpin! I forgot to say how cool this is. You should check out Rikishi by Odegami in the marketplace. Another heavy-weight contender.

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Thanks all. Glad you like him. I really had fun making this one, which is what it's all about from my standpoint. By tomorrow I will have him rigged and bending, been working on it. Fixed that crease too, I will show some pics when I get him rigged. I need to go and find some sumo photo's so I can get that squat stance they do posed right.

Hi odf. I kept the head you helped me with, cause I liked it, and made a new everything else. I will have to send you a copy, it's not as nice as Antonia's mesh, but still better than I have done in the past. So a new personal best.

Joel: I think I will like the mags when I get the hang of them. I know that they can be rigged to move with the bones and what I really like is that they can effect as many groups as you want to assign them. That would be great for moving those rolls of fat around to make them jiggle and bounce when he moves.
I have seen Rikishi but have not got him yet. There is this guy at renderotica that uses Rikishi almost exclusively in his renders. Hey! I bet Rikishi's got one of those loin cloth thingies I could borrow to put on this guy so I can make him decent enough to show over at Daz. :)

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Quote - More man-boobies !!

Genitals? Really? He can't even reach them...and if he was being...erm..'serviced'...there would be some sort of jack involved or she would suffocate.

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--Rebekah--

Hi sixus1: He could have a power loader. :lol:

Probably not much use for genitals, which is good, in that it brings his poly count down to 15,500.

Cheers,

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The alternate geometry hip leaps to mind with the "Genitials" Checkmark in the figures tab being UN checked! LOLOLOLOL Poor fellow probably can't even see it, except when excited. Maybe. VERY EXCITED? Maybe.

Lordy. Why do all the professional seeming folks I truck with have such filthy minds?:laugh:

Maybe it's just the "seeming" part should be "seamy"?:lol:

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The double belly is wicked.

Comitted to excellence through art.

I am apparently the first one usually to say the things that we are all thinking...but no one says. You'd think that having to type it out would stop me, but it doesn't seem to.

BTW-- what's he going to wear ? Cut off sweatpants, dirty wifebeater, and flip-flops ??

"Ah haven't seen them in three years, which is long enough to declare them legally dead - Fat Bastard...
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I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

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That' d be a good place to start. :laugh: Or a Buddha outfit.

Talk about the vast opposites of the world experience!:lol:

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Quote - "Ah haven't seen them in three years, which is long enough to declare them legally dead - Fat Bastard...
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OH NOOO! That's funny! :lol: I have to admit I have wondered if it's not also true?

sixus1, Yes riding way up high and tied with a rope. Have to have the grease spots on the front too where he wipes his hands.

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Quote - > Quote - the one you sent me of you in the mankini.

Should I be afraid?!

We should all be afraid! DrD in a Mankini! YIKES!!! :tt2:

Well I have a rig built and hooked up, did some unusual groups and still needs lots of tweeking. But here he is in his first preliminary bends. I'm going to go play with the joints and see if I can't get him into a lotus position for Buddha Brad.

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SWEET! He's starting to look like he's really starting to pop as a figure! Impressive work.

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Look! Hey,hey,HEY! It's fat Albert, all grown up with Miley Cyrus! :ohmy:

Shows fat man boobies better.

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I like Brad's man boobies better, much more apealing than the guy in the pic.

I have gotten rid of the top belly crease though, and worked on the joints some more. Will post some pics in a bit.

Been searching my mess of stored files for this old cr2 with a rig I put together a few years back. Can't seem to find it, Grrrr. I had gotten rid of the "hip" group completely and given it to hip2 and lower abdomen groups. I left the "hip" bone in the rig but with out any geometry and welded the lower abdomen to hip2 in the cr2. There were problems with it mainly that the upper half of the body would bend faster or slower than the lower half. So I gave the center of lower abdomen the exact same center position as "hip". Anyway, there were other problems but I wanted to dig it out and look at it again, possibly for use here. But looks like I may have to build it all over again. I am daunted by the mess of my files, back in those early times (for me) I didn't give my files meaningfull names, so now I have no idea what I'm looking at till I load it up and check.

Early times.......bet that's funny to you Joel? You been around forever in one place or another, 1980? Dont know why I thought that. And look at sixus1, rendo in 1999, wow I think I'd be crazy by now. Bet it's exaperating watching newbs like me finding ideas and running around with them like new toys, you all sitting back there thinking, "Oh that's years old news, get on with it already!" :lol:

I'm rambling....happens when you live alone, and your mind is failing.

Cheers,

Mike.

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"I'm rambling....happens when you live alone, and your mind is failing." LOLOLOL You goofbal! THAT is why you're here interacting with us.:laugh: All of us are alone in our own heads, whether we are in a crowd or on a mountain top, but in truth we are all surrounded by the spirits of those who came before us.

I haven't been around THAT long. Not here since 1980! LOLOLOL Inexperience is no respecter of old age!

Also most of time here was as a not involved lurker. Now I'm involved and not lurking.:lol:

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Did someone say Fat man ballet? Added a couple JCM's just in the leg and shoulder. But for 11,000 poly's I think he's bending pretty good and rendering well too. Time to add the teeth and eyes and UV map him.

Cheers,

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For 11000 polys, that's really impressive.

Disturbing in the extreme, but impressive.:laugh:

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LOL Mike. That's wonderful. I have seen some really heavy people dance lightly on their toes and extremely well - very fascinating to watch,

I hope you haven't ditched releasing that flexible Brad I've been hanging out for?

Quote - LOL Mike. That's wonderful. I have seen some really heavy people dance lightly on their toes and extremely well - very fascinating to watch,

I hope you haven't ditched releasing that flexible Brad I've been hanging out for?

Never! I really wanted a mesh though that I wasn't ashamed of, and this mesh rocks! So I will be using this one for Brad low, and all I have to do for Brad high is to divide, and it comes out at around 60,000.

I really like this mesh because it's low poly and I can still do all sorts of morphs for it , also it seems (so far) to deform very well for joint bending.

Wheew! Sure took me long enough to finally get some decent geometry. I am especially weak when it comes to geometry, I think I just don't have the brain for it. Someone like odf or pjz99 can just spot the problems and solutions right off. Me, I just don't see it. Takes me days sometimes to see the pattern.

Still have one spot on the inside leg that I need to get right, maybe odf or pjz99 will take pity on me and show me how to fix it. :)

Really very happy with the way this mesh bends-deforms though I just hope it will be the same in high poly.

Cheers,

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We all have different strengths and weaknesses. I thought mine was texturing, but it might be morphing stuff. Yesterday, I played with magnets all day. I had a new character in mind ant it was not co-operating until I took multiple magnets to it. It worked! Different tools (like PEOPLE) have different strengths and weaknesses. They achieve different things. Together all these different people can do wonders.:laugh:

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Very glad the leaner Brad is still in the works Mike :)

As you say enjoying your creative bursts is what makes it all fun, things seem to come so much easier then.

Joel hit it on the head, thank goodness we all have different or at least varying strengths, doesn't
mean we can't master the others, just that it doesn't come quite as easily. Your rigging is just great!! And the rest will come up to par if you are keen enough.

And if you're not - our loss but at least you are doing what you most enjoy. :)

Thanks Masha, Joel.

Well in case anyone is curious about this new mesh I put together, here's a couple of shots. I always like to see mesh shots, it's interesting to see the poly formations :)

The Front.

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I think the buttocks and the shoulders deform particularly well, this is a shot with no JCM's or morphs.

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That's a handsome mesh you got there.

-- I'm not mad at you, just Westphalian.

Wow, that is QUICK work! Good work,too! Very impressive. How about a side-view?

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I am wanting to get the whole UV map on one template for the low poly- low rez version. Does turning the head sideways like this make it too hard to use? momodot? Anyone? And what do you think of the way the UV's are cut?

Edit still need to tweek them but just trying to figure out the best way to lay them out and get the most out of one template.

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WHoa....never seen one like that. Sixus1 puts all the textures on one UV plate , but with head on top. No wasted space at ALL. Not rotated head, though.

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I use body paint so I would never know it was side ways.

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He's simply awesome! And.. I may be the oddball here but I think he's sexy in his own way...

Even fat guys need love.

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Hi Mike. I really would want the head and all the parts oriented on vertical and horizontal axis and placed in an upright orientation. I would want the head a integer factor resolution from the body (say 1:2). Here is a texture template that makes sense to me. With textures up to 4000x4000 I don't see why everything should not be on a single square map even if there is a little empty space which peopl can use for tattoos, genitals, or other custom stuff.

Even fat guys need love.

In that case there's still hope for me! :biggrin:

regards,

Bopper.

-How can you improve things when you don't make mistakes?

Thanks TG! I think he's cute sort of like a cherub. Especially if I can get some great expression morphs for bright smiles and bold unabashed laughter.

bopperthijs, JOELGLAINE: Everyone is beautiful, and deserves to be special to someone.

Thanks for the input momodot, I like your map better too. I think for this version of him it will work out great. I'm going for a figure that will be quick and friendly to animation, so a single map makes sense. Later I can do a higher rez version with more maps for those who want high rez maps with lots of detail. But for this one I thought a good quick character thats just fun to use.

Hi RorrKonn, where ya been? Doing well I hope.

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*bopperthijs, JOELGLAINE: Everyone is beautiful, and deserves to be special to someone.

*I was just kidding, I've been married for almost 25 years with a lovely wife, but I gained about 20 pounds, the last three years. Perhaps a sign of a good and happy life!
I compaired your beautiful model with a bouddha, and a bouddha is a symbol for good luck and happiness.
We all really need that these days.

best regards,

Booper.

-How can you improve things when you don't make mistakes?

Quote - *bopperthijs, JOELGLAINE: Everyone is beautiful, and deserves to be special to someone.

*I was just kidding, I've been married for almost 25 years with a lovely wife, but I gained about 20 pounds, the last three years. Perhaps a sign of a good and happy life!

Well, alright then. I have two sisters that are single right now, and I was about to do some match making. But since your married, I'll let ya be. :wub: :lol:

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What do they look like? LOLOL :laugh: I'm 50, fat, had two strokes, and don't have a job, do have diabetes, and am confused all the time.

Sounds like I'd be a better politician than date.:lol: I've been alone so long, I don't even care if I hook up any more.

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Well, the two (I have 5 sisters) I'm speaking of, one is 70 something, the other is 49 and blond. But i really wouldn't dare actually try to set them up with anyone. OH MY! These two would definitely beat me sensless and castigate me for the rest of my life! Famous Irish temper, you see.
The older sister is the true artist in the family she actually made a living at it. Constantly haring off to somewhere in the world, a mind of her own and never stays put. Last time I heard she was in Bolivia, who knows why.
The younger sis is an RN and lives in Washington she's about 5'1" and a fiery little wildcat.

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If she's a red-head....

ANYWAY..Washington state is the other side of the continent from Tennessee, so I'll pass on long trips.

The fall from short trips hurt enough.:laugh:

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No brothers available??

Darn it...

But let me add to the chorus that this whole line of character meshes looks amazing. I really love that re-rig you have going on.

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Hi Sean, I have four brothers all blond haired and blue eyed ( I'm the only kid in the bunch that had dark hair hmmm........:ohmy:)

Thanks, I think I have finally found a mesh that I'm sastisfied with. Check your SM I'm sending you a message.

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I like him. He will definately need a nice suit....kinda overfed (read sucessful) mafia dude thing.

--Rebekah--

well at least you won't need to worry about genitals for him.
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Now, Esther! Even if he can't do anything with them, doesn't mean they should be just left off. I guess the M3 gens could be used, if needed. LOLOL:laugh: No M4 gens, though. Having to pay for a penis is just WAY to perverse for any of us. I think. :lol:

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Oh yes! A gangsta suit would be perfect.

Gens will be a geometry switch, just in case he might need them.

I almost have both models UVed and rigged. Brad regular and Fat Brad. I Kept the border, nipples, eyes, nose, mouth and belly button locked into the same position on both UV maps. So the two of them should be able to trade textures.

Will upload some more pics, tommorrow.

Cheers,

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Hi RorrKonn, where ya been? Doing well I hope.

I am trying to learn to code 3D ,2D ,ah C++ ,openGL ,DirectX.

Hopefuly in a few years I will have some app's of use.

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i just meant it's hard to actually locate them in someone with that body habitus

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LOLOL:laugh:

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RorrKonn: Good luck, I tried to master C++, learned a little and gave up.

How's this for the regular Brad, using the same 11K mesh. Might get a little more detail, but not much. 11K only goes so far :)

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That is what displacement maps are for. The fine details are begging for that kind of stuff. Trekkiegrrrl did some displacement maps for M3 of veins and tendons for muscle men in her free-stuff. You might want to check them out.

On other news...I made the STAFF PICKS this week! Yaaaaaaay! www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php

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Congrats Joel. Cool read. Makes you want to write another yes? I got something from the staff once, a removal and a warning. LOL.

Life is hard, but what a ride.

Your mesh is killer, deserves rigs worthy of your mesh.

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It's like 3D ya just keep at it till one day ya get it.

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I could not read the manuel.

If I can learn to read & write English witch to this day still seems broken to me.

Leaning to code alt to be easy after learning English.

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I'm writing like a tornado. Check out my gallery! Lordy, I think I'm writing another Dune sized novel with more nudity, plot-twists and drama. LOLOL

BTW--Mike! You finished with Brad's head yet? I might try some morphs this weekend if so.

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Hey Mike, Looking great!

Something about the upper arm, seems a tad off - too short compared to the forearm or is it the back muscles [dorsals] that come out too wide? Perhaps they are overly developed compared to the rest of the body? The dorsals could be a tad too highly and forwardly placed too thus not allowing it to form the edge that hollows the arm pit. It would be good to see the arms raised more to see the armpits.

That area is the only trouble spots I see in forming. I suppose shoulder blades would be really hard to model in the confines of so few polys especially since they change positions and shapes with arm movement so much.

The rest seems just superb to me, so glad you are so close to finishing it. With your excellent rigging this would be a very special figure I wold love to have.:)

Cheers to you :)

Mike, that's a great sculpt. I agree that the arms might need some more work, though. Also the feet.

Have I ever told you about subdivisionmodeling.com? It's a great site for reading up on how to model and also to get feedback on your models.

-- I'm not mad at you, just Westphalian.

Hi Esther, RorrKonn, Joel, Masha, odf.

RorrKonn: That's alot to learn but you're right it just takes time and determination. I still want to learn C++ and Visual Basic. These days I really have to concentrate to learn anything, so it'll have to be a future project.

Joel, shortly I will send you the OBJ. Not positive it's ready yet. I still need to work on the eyes. The geometry is there I just need to sculpt them better.

Masha: Yes you're right the back arm is much too short. I moved the lats in a bit and it's better but still not right. I will have to dig my photo's out and work from them to get it right. For the shoulder blades, I may just add another 1000 poly's and pick out a few more details. But I have to be carefull not to go overboard like last time.

odf: No I have never heard of that site, thanks I will check it out. Yes the feet and hands need plenty of work yet. I always leave them till last cause I don't like them.

Here's the same mesh at 44K you can see all the detail I have in it alot better.

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I also moved the belly button up a bit it was too low. Still need to smoothe a few things with the muscles in a little better in this 44K model.

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phantom3d - I love the look of this figure in your last two pics (the 44k version). The muscle groups look great and I've been a quiet admirer of the bends you manage to achieve for a while now.

I can't help but think that the entire torso (including hips) is too wide though. Not that there arn't guys out there with pretty much exactly these proportions, but he just seems a little stocky for a generic figure type. Have you tried superimposing him over a photo reference for comparison? You might find that reducing his width from the top of the armpits down to the top of the thighs might suddenly improve the upperarm length issue. Just a thought.

I guess it all depends on what the intension is for the figure - whether he's designed to function like other base figures with a complete selection of body and face morphs to facilitate diversity in his appearance, or if he's intended to be just Brad as is. Having seen fat Brad I'm kind of guessing you're using different rigs for different body shapes. I kind of like the all-in-one concept for figures but I know this can be restrictive.
Do you have lots of scaling options for bodyparts built into your design? I love Apollo for this; V4 and M4 don't have enough scaling.

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Either his forearms look to long or his upper arms look to short,IMO. When the arm is folded at the elbow, the wrist is even to the arm-pit.

At least on me.:laugh: I might be a mutant.

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The forearms appear somewhat atrophied. Moving the elbow out where it belongs and just foreshortening the existing width may help.

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I don't know - not had enough time to properly experiment - this is probably way too much, but kind of what I initially thought. Not so sure now. Anyhoo, thought it might be useful to see this.

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carodan! thank you so very much, I have been asking this question many times over the past months. I have two machines. On my work machine (the one I actually do the modelling on) I am using a 40" wide screen plasma T.V. and on that monitor the model looks like the thinner less wide one that you are showing. But on my Dell monitor it looks like this one I posted too wide to my eye as well. This answers my question, he IS too wide, and the monitor DOES make a difference. I will adjust accordingly.

That still leaves the arm proportions to clean up. I will work it out today, along with some more detail in the low poly version.

EDIT: Yes there will be full scaling.

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I used to have similar issues with selecting the correct monitor resolution. Now I make a square image in photoshop and physically measure it on the monitor to be sure - I know pretty serious professional graphic designers who have been caught out that way.

P.S. I'm assuming since you modelled on the monitor that makes him look thinner that the model probably is too wide, unless you've been adjusting your image posts to compensate (?)

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No I havn't been adjusting the pics, so the model really is too wide. Pretty easy to fix though, but first I want to get my work monitor adjusted so that it matches the dell monitor. This resolution thing has been nagging me for months now.

I'm thinking for photo's to use for proportions, Lumir from 3dsk has nice body proportions. I would like Brad to be a little beefier, but for joint and body proportions this guy is very good (normal to my eye.)

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Yep, he looks fairly average to my eyes. References are such a good thing. I assume you'll be able to get some front and side elevations in various classic poses (standing and sitting)? The eye can so easily deceive - measure, measure, measure (as a painter I'm forever having to double-check my references). An incorrectly scaled head or hands can throw things out dramatically. For example, I can't be the only person to have noticed that either M4's head is too small or his hands are massive (possibly both (among other things - I haven't studied him enough). I'd measure in a number of different ways for each body part.
One thing I've noticed a few times with various 3d figures is that body proportions can seem to change based on the pose (i.e. the bending seems to distort a body part or happen around an incorrect pivot such that it looks wrong in the resulting pose). Just thought I'd mention this in case you hadn't considered it.
The type of camera you use in your 3d app can also be problematic. I suspect this is particularly true of Poser. Depending on the camera position and perspective settings, a figure can easily look totally out of proportion whilst in other shots fine. Worth considering when test rendering. I'd tend to measure body parts using orthographic views, and be very careful where you're measuring from and to (not always easy when a body part is bent or obscured).

P.S. The image you just posted is perfectly square on my monitor.

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I've run into that, on my last render. I thought I was losing my mind when a small figure seemed to be a giant due to placement, and the focal length of the camera in Poser. It's annoying to say the least. I don't use M4 because of the weird proportions. Same with V4.

With alien figures, it's fine, but pure humans....it's problematic. The Brad figure is a case in point of looking at it, until the flaws disappear.

Mike--I though you were going for the 'thicker' bodied among us, so I didn't notice anything amiss. I'm not really fat, but I have a wide body like the BASIC Brad, not the FAT Brad! NO muscle definition to speak of (That's another discussion!). As such, I didn't see anything wrong with him other than the arms. For that, I do apologize. I should have more Empirical eyes from being an artist and having trained eyes, but I was blinded by my own body.

I have to stop looking at it before I go blind!:laugh: Or something like that!:lol:

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Well I have adjusted my monitor it gives me a square pic when it should be square, at least as close as I can get my vid card to allow. It's just a tad off.

So I readjusted the width of the figure based on that. I think it has also solved much of the arm problem. I am now going to overlay some photos to the figure and adjust some more by that.

Here's what I have so far. These shots should be square on your monitors they are 500X500 each.

No problem Joel, I have known it was off for awhile but didn't fix it.

I have many photo's from 3dsk so no excuse just lazy.

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I'm going to go back on something I just said about using orthographic views. If you have good reference photos that you're going to use as comparison overlays for measuring, it's probably better to try and match the camera views of those pictures. I'm most likely getting anal here but it will make a difference.
If you're going from other sources like anatomical measurement charts, the orthographic method is the way I'd go.

If I had the skills to model I'm afraid I would be totally anal about all this and most likely work to RW units inside the 3d app and possibly even make measuring objects (although you probably have accessible ruler tools - 3dsMax used to last time I used it back at version 5).

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It is worthwhile if you have time along the way to try some overlays of different photographic models, with varying body types etc. There's an unbelievable amount of variation in real people (why scaling is so important IMO). The way different people habitually hold themselves introduces a whole other level of percieved variation - although I guess this is posing and not modelling.
Observation and comparison - useful tools in any creative process.

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No worries,mate. I was just letting you know the 2 cents I put into my observations were only worth one cent on this particular project,IMO. Overlays are a good thing if you stick true to the model.

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An inconsistent hobgoblin is the fool of little minds
Taking "Just do it" to a whole new level!

I was always a terrible observer until an art school teacher made me do loads of drawings where I wasn't allowed to look at the paper, only at the life model. Although the drawings would usually come out as a scrambled mess of lines, the individual lines were truer to what was in front of me than what I was doing before. From there it was just a matter of looking at the paper again, but with a redressed balance of observing the subject.

Nowadays I've slipped back into bad habits of invention again. I find 3d a lot harder than painting - so many angles from which everything has to work. Computer monitors are also ruining my eyes.

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I have tons of photo's from 3dsk everything they ever put out from the start till now. So I will be able to use several different people.

I even measured myself on the wall with all the different positions of joints and body features (belly button, nipples etc) and converted them to fractions and decimals to use in measurements. So I have all these marks and notations scribbled on my wall next to my computer. LOL.

Joel: I do intend to stay true to the figure. Mostly I want the overlays for positioning joints and body features. For the shape and style of the figure, that will be my own, from my mind.

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Well...ALL art made by any artist , contains part of the artist.. THAT is one of the reasons that Poser and other 3D CGI applications get slammed by traditional Artists as having no soul, or not being 'real art'.

As such, the figures that do best have less of the usual 'dead doll look' and more personality. Being universal is all well and good, but looking like some one you REALLY want to know is important,too. Anton's Apollo has that

It's a slippery thing to breathe life into the unliving, but that is what you're trying. Humans are the biggest critics of all things human, because we ARE humans. We know what 'looks right' even if we can't articulated it well. Follow your ideal and idead and I think you're going to do alright..

Brad is really starting to evolve, now.

I might not be able to morph anything in the upcoming month. I have to move again on May 14. The powers that be decided to upgrade the building, starting with my floor. SO I'm screwed in doing anything useful. I don't have a clue where I'm moving, because THEY don't know! SO I'm stressed out. I just UNPACKED! Dammit.

I cannot save the world. Only my little piece of it. If we all act together, we can save the world.--Nelson Mandela
An inconsistent hobgoblin is the fool of little minds
Taking "Just do it" to a whole new level!

What ,huh , ah who needs there so called soul when ya got CGI ;)

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Hi Joel, RorrKonn:)

Just woke up, so lazy today, didn't want to get out of bed.

Sorry to hear of your troubles Joel. They are finding you a place to live though?

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They say they will. Supposedly in the same building, but some of us may get evicted. Everyone in the whole building is about to riot. It's a government FUBAR of epic proportions. I'm so stressed out, I can bearly think. The police got called out twice yesterday because people where so pissed off.

So much bull-crap for so little modifications. They are putting in new sinks and air-conditioners . They have to relocate the whole freaking building's occupants to do that? Good god.

I cannot save the world. Only my little piece of it. If we all act together, we can save the world.--Nelson Mandela
An inconsistent hobgoblin is the fool of little minds
Taking "Just do it" to a whole new level!

I can fix the sink , heat & air .Will someone fix the Gov.

Blender ,Gimp ,Dev-C++ All Free.

Make & sell ya some 3D conent buy ya self a house.

Code a app where the humans bend like humans buy ya self a country.

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:laugh: That's where me brain done deserted me. Damn thing. When I need it the most, no less! Like a rat on a sinking ship!:lol:

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