Forum: Vue


Subject: Jagged edges problem

LindaB opened this issue on May 24, 2009 · 14 posts


LindaB posted Sun, 24 May 2009 at 12:50 PM

I've got palm leaves in a sunset scene that look just terrible. I tried cranking up the  subrays per pixel in the object antialiasing, I even went as far as 60 min and 100 max, but still I wind up with jaggies. I've been using the optimized antialiasing with the 'sharp' antialiasing strategy. I don't know what else to try. Is this problem even fixable? Any suggestions?



Rutra posted Sun, 24 May 2009 at 1:28 PM

Maybe you can try increasing the plant resolution, in some cases this helps. Open the plant in the plant editor and click on the 'x2' button several times.


dburdick posted Sun, 24 May 2009 at 2:24 PM

Try checking the leaf material and make sure bilinear interpolation is enabled for both the color and alpha maps.  You can find this in the leaf material function editor.


AVANZ posted Sun, 24 May 2009 at 2:26 PM

Just a guess here, but could it be that the quality slider is not set high enough?

It is more essential to have the quality high enough than using more subrays.
In fact if the quality for instance is set at 50% and the program determines that after using four subrays that 50% quality is reached it will not use the other 55 subrays.
My strategy is usually to start off with min1, max 8 sub-rays with quality set to 95%.

Cheers!


CobraEye posted Sun, 24 May 2009 at 2:46 PM

Vue's renderer and plants are the worst and it is getting more buggy with each version.

The problem is a compound of inefficiencies piled up on old software.

Switch programs if you want higher quality renders.  Otherwise, you just waste your time rendering vue anomalies, wondering why, and writing support tickets.

In the meantime post-work is the best way to fix jaggy renders from vue without wasting too much time on rendering.


alexcoppo posted Sun, 24 May 2009 at 4:38 PM

I checked the banana tree: all image based materials have the interpolation set to none, so if you are unlucky enough and the image map is small enough you are inevitably going to get jaggies.

After a year and a half dabbling with Vue, I came to the conclusion that Vue trees are not to be used as-is but to be thoroughly checked before hand for stupid bugs like this (E-On quality control for bundled plants is... lacking).

Bye!!!

GIMP 2.7.4, Inkscape 0.48, Genetica 3.6 Basic, FilterForge 3 Professional, Blender 2.61, SketchUp 8, PoserPro 2012, Vue 10 Infinite, World Machine 2.3, GeoControl 2


bruno021 posted Mon, 25 May 2009 at 5:06 AM

There is nothing you can do about this problem, unfortunately. This plant's alpha map has jagged edges, so your only option is to create another alpha for it yourself. then you'll notice that the colour bitmap is of a very low resolution as well. So this plant cannot look good in close-ups. It looks fantastic in mid and background, but awful for a close-up shot. Same goes for all plants that use the same bitmaps ( date palm, and small palm)
Nothing to do with bad software, just bad images. This tree was there from version1 I think, and was never changed. A shame.



gillbrooks posted Mon, 25 May 2009 at 5:59 AM

Which tree are you using and what version of Vue ?

Heres a render at 'final' setting of the Coconut tree in Vue 7.  Just minor tweaking to the material settings.

Gill

       


LindaB posted Mon, 25 May 2009 at 10:13 AM

I'm using the Date Palm. It looks great at a distance, but forget closeups. I tried all of the above suggestions, thanks but none of them solved the problem. I think bruno021 is probably right, it's just bad images, poor quality on the tree.

The only solution (other than postwork, which I'm going to try) I think is to just use better quality trees for closeups, and save the native Vue trees for ecosystems. Does anyone know where there are high quality trees available that are suitable for closeup renders?

gillbrooks, how did you tweak the settings on the Coconut Tree?



slonishko posted Mon, 25 May 2009 at 12:20 PM

...bruno021 is always right (;


gillbrooks posted Mon, 25 May 2009 at 2:31 PM

Quote - I'm using the Date Palm. It looks great at a distance, but forget closeups. I tried all of the above suggestions, thanks but none of them solved the problem. I think bruno021 is probably right, it's just bad images, poor quality on the tree.

The only solution (other than postwork, which I'm going to try) I think is to just use better quality trees for closeups, and save the native Vue trees for ecosystems. Does anyone know where there are high quality trees available that are suitable for closeup renders?

gillbrooks, how did you tweak the settings on the Coconut Tree?

Give me a few minutes and I'll save out the tweaked mats for you.  Then just apply them to your date palm and save it as a new .veg file

Gill

       


dburdick posted Mon, 25 May 2009 at 3:15 PM

Quote - I'm using the Date Palm. It looks great at a distance, but forget closeups. I tried all of the above suggestions, thanks but none of them solved the problem. I think bruno021 is probably right, it's just bad images, poor quality on the tree.

The only solution (other than postwork, which I'm going to try) I think is to just use better quality trees for closeups, and save the native Vue trees for ecosystems. Does anyone know where there are high quality trees available that are suitable for closeup renders?

gillbrooks, how did you tweak the settings on the Coconut Tree?

Did you try setting BiLinear interpolation for the transparency maps?  I just rendered an image of the Date Palm ang I had no jaggies at all after setting the trans maps to BiLinear.


gillbrooks posted Mon, 25 May 2009 at 3:37 PM

Quote -
Did you try setting BiLinear interpolation for the transparency maps?  I just rendered an image of the Date Palm ang I had no jaggies at all after setting the trans maps to BiLinear.

That's what I did with the coconut for the image I posted earlier.  It didn't seem to work as well on teh date palm for me though.

Gill

       


bruno021 posted Tue, 26 May 2009 at 6:26 AM

Doesn't look any better here Dave....