Einzelganger opened this issue on Aug 06, 2009 · 202 posts
Einzelganger posted Thu, 06 August 2009 at 3:37 PM
Anyone else had the library window start up blank? i changed the layout a bit, and next time poser started the library window was there but blank.
i had to set all to factory defaults and restart. i tried installing on my vista machine and the library window is blank from the start.
any thoughts?
Einzy.
Tashar59 posted Thu, 06 August 2009 at 5:10 PM
It need adobe Flash player 10 I think. I had the same thing with my XP64 machine. After I installed the P8 content I had a link bubble pop up with the adobe update link. I then Had to connect my PC to the net to get it. Was not happy with that.
But the library worked after all that.
nruddock posted Thu, 06 August 2009 at 7:18 PM
There's an installer for the Flash10 ActiveX control in the download, it's in the same directory as the Adobe Reader installer (Windows only, don't know about the Mac equivalent if any).
skylab3D posted Thu, 06 August 2009 at 8:03 PM
Try this thread, they may have the answer to the disappearing Library problem. Apparently there will be a fix of some sort. Go here for more info:
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2778530
~skylab : )
Einzelganger posted Thu, 06 August 2009 at 11:37 PM
thanx, thats Interesting, will look into it untill fix appears hopefully :)
Einzy
skylab3D posted Fri, 07 August 2009 at 1:06 AM
Someone has posted a response from tech support in this thread....complicated, but worth trying:
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2778338&page=12
~skylab : )
Latexluv posted Fri, 07 August 2009 at 2:08 AM
I too am having this problem. I have no library palette. Trying very hard not to get frustrated. Tech support has been trying to help me with it too.
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skylab3D posted Fri, 07 August 2009 at 3:58 AM
I know, it's a little frustrating when you want to try out the new stuff. What I'm doing, since I had already previously set up external runtimes, and still have Poser Pro on my drive....decided to try the method I saw in one of the other threads, an animation at this link that shows how to get one of the python scripts to recognize all the runtimes on your drive....go here and watch if this stuff sounds a bit technical to you:
http://shaderworks.rois-sorciers.com/tutorials/P8_firststart/
As you can see, part of what is being done in this animated demonstration is they are going up to scripts, partners, ShaderWorks, and then selecting import_runtimes...then it will ask something about "killing the scene"....which basically means it's going to force the program to shut down in order to make the changes. Once Poser 8 can "recognize" all the external runtimes, then, if you have an older version of Poser still on your system, you can go set up your basic figure, props, whatever, just load it in any sort of way, save it as a scene, and then go to Poser 8 and open the scene and work with your content. If you try to open a scene without running the python script, Poser 8 will ask to search for every single texture...and that gets old real quick....haha. I know this is a round about way to get content into the program, but at least you can use it until a reasonable fix is established. I tried the UI - Flex - html and swf thing....and it got me the same thing....a blank Library. I see no way to get McAfee to recognize .swf or html specifically for permissions. I remember seeing some sort of warning about blocking something during installation....it came and went and that was when it happened probably. I guess turning off security altogether and reinstalling perhaps might work. I've already tried five times, so I'm going to wait this out and just enjoy playing with what will work. Hope this helps...
~skylab : )
jimros posted Fri, 07 August 2009 at 4:04 AM
My first post
I had the same problem .I had a corrupted flash player .
Try running "uninstall_flash_player.exe" available on
the adobe site, then reinstall "install_flash_player.exe"
Worked for me
skylab3D posted Fri, 07 August 2009 at 4:16 AM
Thanks jimros... will try figuring out the uninstall flash thing. I updated flash this evening thinking it might help, but I didn't know there was a process of uninstalling. I'll try it and see....would be wonderful if it solved the problem. Thanks for posting....you must be like me, mostly read forums for info and not much of a talker.....haha. I jumped into this particular topic because I saw others were having the same problem.
~skylab : )
Latexluv posted Fri, 07 August 2009 at 5:15 AM
Quote -
I know, it's a little frustrating when you want to try out the new stuff. What I'm doing, since I had already previously set up external runtimes, and still have Poser Pro on my drive....decided to try the method I saw in one of the other threads, an animation at this link that shows how to get one of the python scripts to recognize all the runtimes on your drive....go here and watch if this stuff sounds a bit technical to you:
http://shaderworks.rois-sorciers.com/tutorials/P8_firststart/
As you can see, part of what is being done in this animated demonstration is they are going up to scripts, partners, ShaderWorks, and then selecting import_runtimes...then it will ask something about "killing the scene"....which basically means it's going to force the program to shut down in order to make the changes. Once Poser 8 can "recognize" all the external runtimes, then, if you have an older version of Poser still on your system, you can go set up your basic figure, props, whatever, just load it in any sort of way, save it as a scene, and then go to Poser 8 and open the scene and work with your content. If you try to open a scene without running the python script, Poser 8 will ask to search for every single texture...and that gets old real quick....haha. I know this is a round about way to get content into the program, but at least you can use it until a reasonable fix is established. I tried the UI - Flex - html and swf thing....and it got me the same thing....a blank Library. I see no way to get McAfee to recognize .swf or html specifically for permissions. I remember seeing some sort of warning about blocking something during installation....it came and went and that was when it happened probably. I guess turning off security altogether and reinstalling perhaps might work. I've already tried five times, so I'm going to wait this out and just enjoy playing with what will work. Hope this helps...~skylab : )
Thank you for your kind post. I tried what you described, which you described well, and now I can import pz3 files without Poser 8 asking for the origin of every blasted thing in the pz3 file.
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skylab3D posted Fri, 07 August 2009 at 10:18 AM
Great...glad it helped. At least now you get to try out the lighting and other new stuff, and not spend the rest of your life confirming texture locations....haha.
~skylab : )
skylab3D posted Fri, 07 August 2009 at 10:47 AM
Noticed in thread below they are now saying that though it's not technically an internet connection issue, it is however a firewall-local issue, plus the interaction with flash.....I had suspected the firewall settings from the beginning, but some of the technical details are over my head for now. Go here for some of the technical comments:
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2778338&page=12#message_3495075
~skylab : )
Dizzi posted Fri, 07 August 2009 at 3:19 PM
Does the library work when you run it in a browser directly? Just open /Poser 8/Runtime/ui/Flex/LSMGUI/bin-release/LSMGUI.html to try that.
Latexluv posted Fri, 07 August 2009 at 5:13 PM
I was asked about a Firewall last night by Nerd. No, I do not have Windows XP's firewall turned on. I use Norton so I checked that, and I don't have a firewall on that either. When I open LSGUI.html in a browser it is blank. A tech from Smith Micro thru email has asked me if I use Firefox. And YES, I do. I have not used IE for more than an year and a half. It was version 6 at the time of Poser 8 installation. I have gone and updated it to version 8 but I still prefer not to use it.
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Latexluv posted Fri, 07 August 2009 at 5:24 PM
Another thread was mention the block scripts plugin for Firefox. I have just turned mine off now.
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Latexluv posted Fri, 07 August 2009 at 5:26 PM
sigh Didn't fix my problem.
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Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8
skylab3D posted Fri, 07 August 2009 at 5:50 PM
QUOTE: Does the library work when you run it in a browser directly? Just open /Poser 8/Runtime/ui/Flex/LSMGUI/bin-release/LSMGUI.html to try that.
RESPONSE: For me it was the same, pulling up LSMGUI.html gives a blank, metallic gray background, the same that appears in Poser 8 where the Library is supposed to be. There are no buttons or controls in the Poser 8 Library blank field, so you can't populate the folder by adding a runtime...has to be done through a python script "back door" approach. I'm running WinXP with McAfee firewall, IE8, Firefox, all up-to-date. I saw a portion of the Library briefly when it was first installed on attempt #1....but it disappeared and haven't seen it since....and after 5 attempts, and the fact that it tends to hold on to some of the previous configuration information even though I choose to delete it during re-install, seems I was running out of options. Will use work around until solution is found. It seems this interface was designed with Windows 7 in mind. I won't be upgrading to Win7 so I sure hope this is fixable....otherwise, looks like I'll be out of the Poser loop in the future...would be a real disappointment.
~skylab
Latexluv posted Fri, 07 August 2009 at 6:48 PM
Quote -
QUOTE: Does the library work when you run it in a browser directly? Just open /Poser 8/Runtime/ui/Flex/LSMGUI/bin-release/LSMGUI.html to try that.RESPONSE: For me it was the same, pulling up LSMGUI.html gives a blank, metallic gray background, the same that appears in Poser 8 where the Library is supposed to be. There are no buttons or controls in the Poser 8 Library blank field, so you can't populate the folder by adding a runtime...has to be done through a python script "back door" approach. I'm running WinXP with McAfee firewall, IE8, Firefox, all up-to-date. I saw a portion of the Library briefly when it was first installed on attempt #1....but it disappeared and haven't seen it since....and after 5 attempts, and the fact that it tends to hold on to some of the previous configuration information even though I choose to delete it during re-install, seems I was running out of options. Will use work around until solution is found. It seems this interface was designed with Windows 7 in mind. I won't be upgrading to Win7 so I sure hope this is fixable....otherwise, looks like I'll be out of the Poser loop in the future...would be a real disappointment.
~skylab
Similar situation for me. I opened LSMGUI in Firefox and found that the No Script plugin was blocking it and so I right clicked and select it to allow and suddenly Firefox displayed the interface. However, if I open LSMGUI in IE8, it is still a blank greyish silver page.
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bagginsbill posted Fri, 07 August 2009 at 7:21 PM
Do you have scripts disabled in IE?
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Latexluv posted Fri, 07 August 2009 at 7:34 PM
If I do, I have no clue! How would I find out? I use Firefox exclusively. Have done so for more than a year. At the time that I installed Poser8, I find that my IE was version 6. I have since upgraded it (grudgingly) to IE 8.
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Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8
bagginsbill posted Fri, 07 August 2009 at 7:42 PM
I don't really know. I don't actually understand any of this stuff really. I'd just be Googling like anybody else to find out how.
There are a gazillion mysterious settings and relationships in Windows and IE nowadays. I don't really get why IE, when used as a custom component in an app like this, continues to act like it is the actual Internet Explorer Browser. It is not being used as an Internet browser here. It is just a component of Poser, just a host of a SWF file and some Javascript and it should just do what it is being told to do by the application.
SM tells me this is Webkit. Any Webkit experts lurking around here?
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Latexluv posted Fri, 07 August 2009 at 7:54 PM
I have been back and forth with a tech at SM for the last day and a half about this issue. I checked the Posertrusted.cfg file in my Flash folder and it has the correct path to my installation. I opened LSMGUI.html in Firefox and found that my BlockScript plugin was blocking it so I right clicked and selected Allow and the library displayed in Firefox. The last message I got from the tech was to go into Firefox and make LSMGUI my homepage and use that temporarily. But since Firefox is my main browser, I'm not going to make that my homepage by any means. However, I can still open it in a separate tab under Firefox and I may do that. But I informed the tech that it is my belief that the problem still lies with IE8 and not Firefox. LSMGUI still displays in IE8 as a blank page.
Further, I will state this: as nifty as the new library seemed at the time of creation, I believe sincerely that upon install the user should have been give the choice of installing the Classic Poser Interface or the New Interface. I would have chosen the Classic Interface.
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Weapons of choice:
Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8
Latexluv posted Fri, 07 August 2009 at 8:05 PM
Okay, news flash here. I went to the tab in Firefox that is now displaying my Poser 8 Library and I clicked the Lights. I went to Poser 8 Content and it states that the content is empty!!!!!!
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Weapons of choice:
Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8
skylab3D posted Fri, 07 August 2009 at 8:07 PM
Well, I've been Googling....trying to understand the issue better. It seems that processes like this open a security risk even though it's local and not internet, in the event a trojan or virus is released. Considering how some of the 3D content sites have had security issues over the past year, hackers could indeed exploit relaxation in browser security. Windows 7 going toward flash will probably be, in the end, jumping from the frying pan into the fire....and carrying other software applications into the danger zone as well as they press onward toward compatibility. It's worth giving much thought.
I've been reading about several Poser content database products. All carry a certain level of security risk, and some say so up front. Having emphasized that, here's the list of products I've found. It's worth looking at their documentation just for an understanding of how the programs do what they do....some are free, some have trial versions, some have PDF manual downloads which are very informative. I collected this list for myself, but am sharing it here, in case any are interested. ~skylab
PX - Poser eXplorer - uses IE for displaying and launching Poser content:
http://market.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?ViewProduct=62059&vendor=Dimension3D
PDF manual near bottom in Downloads, above Related products
PzDB1.1 - uses Microsoft access for database - has free trial
http://market.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?ViewProduct=72733&keyword=PzDB full
http://www.rocketshiptechnologies.com/software/pzdb/Free1.asp - 30 day trial and info
http://www.rocketshiptechnologies.com/software/pzdb/PzDBFAQ.asp - PDF user manual bottom of page
XL - eXtended Library for Poser 8, uses Poser python:
http://www.contentparadise.com/productDetails.aspx?id=11143
PBooost II - not sure if this has been updated for Poser 8:
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?ViewProduct=44369&keyword=PBooost+
Advanced Library for Poser:
http://neocron.lunarpages.com/library/
P3dO with Poser plug-in: (not sure if this launches content)
http://www.senosoft.com/softp3doDownload.php
Latexluv posted Fri, 07 August 2009 at 8:21 PM
I just grabbed a screenshot which shows the Library running under Firefox and that Poser 8 Content is empty.
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Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8
skylab3D posted Fri, 07 August 2009 at 8:31 PM
I was thinking the very same thing, that perhaps a screen shot of what we are seeing (or rather not seeing) inside Poser 8, and also apparently what you've been seeing in Firefox also, might help. Was going to create one this weekend, but you're already taking care of it. Hang in there....
~skylab : )
Latexluv posted Fri, 07 August 2009 at 8:36 PM
"A lonely climber walks a tightrope to where dreams are born and never die!" - Billy Thorpe, song: Edge of Madness, album: East of Eden's Gate
Weapons of choice:
Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8
skylab3D posted Fri, 07 August 2009 at 8:45 PM
Looking at this reminds me of what I briefly saw when I first installed Poser 8. I remember seeing "empty". So....it was probably non-functioning from the beginning. Thanks for uploading this.
I'll be offline now for awhile, but will check back again later this evening in a couple of hours to see if there is any news.
~skylab : )
Latexluv posted Fri, 07 August 2009 at 8:55 PM
"A lonely climber walks a tightrope to where dreams are born and never die!" - Billy Thorpe, song: Edge of Madness, album: East of Eden's Gate
Weapons of choice:
Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8
skylab3D posted Fri, 07 August 2009 at 11:39 PM
~skylab
Believable3D posted Sat, 08 August 2009 at 12:50 AM
Maybe try this in IE8:
Tools > Advanced.
Under the Security subheading, check "Allow active content to run in files on My Computer."
Note: The security risk here is not inherent. Virtually every web developer will have that option checked. It only becomes a problem if you already have a virus.
Shut down Internet Explorer and then see what happens. Does that help?
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skylab3D posted Sat, 08 August 2009 at 1:08 AM
Believable3D posted Sat, 08 August 2009 at 1:12 AM
Sorry to hear it didn't work. It was an idea.
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Latexluv posted Sat, 08 August 2009 at 2:49 AM
Tried that too, thanks Believable3D. But I have the same result. No change except this afternoon IE finally displayed the Library in the web browser, and now it does not. The Library will display under Firefox browser (it's in another tab right now), but it still says there is no content in Poser 8.
"A lonely climber walks a tightrope to where dreams are born and never die!" - Billy Thorpe, song: Edge of Madness, album: East of Eden's Gate
Weapons of choice:
Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8
Latexluv posted Sat, 08 August 2009 at 2:56 AM
I have sent a screenshot of my Firefox window to Tech support at SM. I really, really want this issue solved. However, I truly wish that they had allowed at install the selection of the Classic Poser Interface, or this new one. If there had been a choice, I would have chosen the Classic Interface, and not one that relies on IE, a program I don't like and have tried not to use for over a year.
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Weapons of choice:
Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8
skylab3D posted Sat, 08 August 2009 at 3:21 AM
~skylab
TrekkieGrrrl posted Sat, 08 August 2009 at 4:45 AM
Skylab3D.. Cute animation ^_^ I'm not sure I could have made anything remotely happy looking if I were in your shoes!
Anyway.. Do you by any chance use Norton as well? Norton is known for messing up a LOT of installations.
Latexluv - did you turn off Norton during installation of Poser and Flash.. (and IE8 - which I wouldn't touch with a bargepole myself if I didn't have to) If not, try diabling it and reinstall everything.
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bagginsbill posted Sat, 08 August 2009 at 6:26 AM
LL, is the Poser 8 Content library branch empty in every category?
The screen shot was very informative, because I saw figures and materials from your other libraries.
So it is a clue that only the newly installed stuff is not being found.
It is also a clue if NONE of it is found.
And if you type "Andy" into the search, do you find Andy the mannequin?
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skylab3D posted Sat, 08 August 2009 at 9:29 AM
Thanks TrekkieGrrrl. . .was trying to keep on the bright side of things, I'm sure there must be a solution somehow. I don't use Norton, but I do have McAfee, and it can be equally relentless in its pursuit of anything it suspects as intrusion of any sort. It gives no option to disable during an installation that I can see. And I agree with you, I don't "use" Internet Explorer 8 either except when absolutely necessary....my main browser is Firefox and for that reason I was hoping to not have to relax settings too much on Firefox.
I tried the little animation just to see what it would do. The sunglasses on Andy were imported from another runtime as an object and darkened in Materials. I'm able to open Poser Pro scenes... so for now that's the only way I can set up a complicated scene....which is better than nothing....or Andy would really be hanging his head...haha.
bagginsbill, I'm not sure if LL ever saw Andy on the opening screen. He did appear, and still appears on mine, but that's all I've got. As for LL's screen shot showing other libraries....after trying the method I posted earlier (quoted below), LL was able then to open scenes from Poser Pro and work with content....as I am also able to do, because the ShaderWorks script caused Poser 8 to "recognize" our external runtimes. So....would be hard to tell if P8 is recognizing LL's other content on its own, or because of the help from ShaderWorks (see below). I'm sure LL will be on later and could answer that.
QUOTE FROM MY EARLIER POST: . . .since I had already previously set up external runtimes, and still have Poser Pro on my drive....decided to try the method I saw in one of the other threads, an animation at this link that shows how to get one of the python scripts to recognize all the runtimes on your drive....go here and watch if this stuff sounds a bit technical to you:
http://shaderworks.rois-sorciers.com/tutorials/P8_firststart/
As you can see, part of what is being done in this animated demonstration is they are going up to scripts, partners, ShaderWorks, and then selecting import_runtimes...then it will ask something about "killing the scene"....which basically means it's going to force the program to shut down in order to make the changes. Once Poser 8 can "recognize" all the external runtimes, then, if you have an older version of Poser still on your system, you can go set up your basic figure, props, whatever, just load it in any sort of way, save it as a scene, and then go to Poser 8 and open the scene and work with your content. If you try to open a scene without running the python script, Poser 8 will ask to search for every single texture...and that gets old real quick....haha. I know this is a round about way to get content into the program, but at least you can use it until a reasonable fix is established. ... END QUOTE
~skylab
Dizzi posted Sat, 08 August 2009 at 10:20 AM
You should be able to load content into Poser from the library displayed in Firefox.
If the Poser 8 library is shown empty, it probably is empty. Try using the "add library" from inside firefox and then choose the Poser 8 library manually and see if that fixes it.
bagginsbill posted Sat, 08 August 2009 at 11:08 AM
My point was not about Andy as the content in the default scene.
My suspicion is that LL does not have the Poser 8 content installed/configured/pointing to correctly, period. Has nothing to do with the GUI. In other words, I'm wondering if the GUI is telling the truth - that isn't her Poser 8 Content runtime.
Just because Andy shows in the opening scene, means nothing. Suppose the script you ran to add external runtimes is broken, and added the default runtime using the wrong path. See what I mean? You may be pointing at the wrong folder. If you hover over it, it will show you the full path. Is that the right path?
Poser 8 has options to install the main runtime lots of different ways. Does the external runtime utility script that copied runtimes from older Poser installations respect and understand the one you used for Poser 8? I suspect it may not. That would explain why your external runtimes are fine, but your main runtime is not.
That's why I asked if Search finds the content? Search for Ryan. Search for Alyson. Search for Andy. If it finds those, but they don't show up in the Library tree, then you screwed up the main runtime pointer by using that utility.
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skylab3D posted Sat, 08 August 2009 at 11:45 AM
Can't answer for LL, will have to wait until they come back on to respond. For myself, it was "screwed up" before the ShaderWorks fix was applied (see previous posts plus another thread on the subject). The ShaderWorks script is part of Poser 8, pull down under scripts and you will see it. After multiple installations, it was an attempt to work around the problem so that the program could at least be functional. Otherwise, would have had to return the program for a refund. Thanks again for trying to help. Good day to you.
~skylab
Latexluv posted Sat, 08 August 2009 at 5:11 PM
Quote - LL, is the Poser 8 Content library branch empty in every category?
The screen shot was very informative, because I saw figures and materials from your other libraries.
So it is a clue that only the newly installed stuff is not being found.
It is also a clue if NONE of it is found.
And if you type "Andy" into the search, do you find Andy the mannequin?
Yes, every catagory for Poser 8 is empty. I did not think to use the search function. I can try that. I reinstalled the content to Poser 8, even though it all is there. I can browse the content using Windows Explorer. I can load things from the library using a python script from D3D called Quick Browse (even though some materials failed to load). I had Andy upon first start up, but I loaded my basic studio from Poser Pro as a pz3 file and then set that as my Preferred State. Yes, I have Norton, not McAfee on this laptop. And, no, I didn't know it might interfer with and installation so I didn't turn it off. On principle, I do not use IE. Long, long time ago I started out on the net as a Netscape user. I didn't like having IE crammed down my throat with each new operating system. (I really preferred Windows 98). And it you really want to get to the meat of it, I am an Atarian in a (spit) Microsoft world. I still prefer Atari's TOS to Microsoft's Windows. But that's neither here nor there on this discussion about the empty library. I'm going to do some screen shots now, because that might more helpful than verbage.
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Latexluv posted Sat, 08 August 2009 at 5:15 PM
"A lonely climber walks a tightrope to where dreams are born and never die!" - Billy Thorpe, song: Edge of Madness, album: East of Eden's Gate
Weapons of choice:
Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8
Latexluv posted Sat, 08 August 2009 at 5:25 PM
Okay, displaying the Library Palette inside of Firefox and then selecting the Add Library Icon produced a Dialogue box where I navigated to my Poser 8 Runtime and manually added it. The Poser8 Content folder at the top of my screen says (when my curser is hovering over it) that its coming from my Documents folder, which is not where I installed my runtime and I don't know why it thought my content was there. No way that I can see to delete that entry either. So it would have to be ignored. However, this is only displaying under Firefox. The Library Palette within Poser 8 is still blank.
"A lonely climber walks a tightrope to where dreams are born and never die!" - Billy Thorpe, song: Edge of Madness, album: East of Eden's Gate
Weapons of choice:
Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8
Latexluv posted Sat, 08 August 2009 at 5:29 PM
"A lonely climber walks a tightrope to where dreams are born and never die!" - Billy Thorpe, song: Edge of Madness, album: East of Eden's Gate
Weapons of choice:
Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8
Latexluv posted Sat, 08 August 2009 at 5:38 PM
Well darned if it didn't work! Now that Poser 8 content shows while using LSMGUI under Firefox, I decided to resize my browser window, open up Poser 8, browsed to the new Poser 8 dog, highlighted, and dragged over to the Studio. And to my surprise, I have the hound now in my Studio window!
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Weapons of choice:
Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8
Latexluv posted Sat, 08 August 2009 at 6:45 PM
And by the way, I haven't heard from Tech Support since yesterday.
"A lonely climber walks a tightrope to where dreams are born and never die!" - Billy Thorpe, song: Edge of Madness, album: East of Eden's Gate
Weapons of choice:
Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8
skylab3D posted Sat, 08 August 2009 at 6:50 PM
Hi LL, glad you made it back on, and glad you are making progress. Am leaving this up to you now...I've only about a year of experience using Poser and can only go so far with the technical issues. Will continue to watch the thread in case there are further solutions. Hang in there!
~skylab : )
bagginsbill posted Sat, 08 August 2009 at 11:35 PM
Quote - The Poser8 Content folder at the top of my screen says (when my curser is hovering over it) that its coming from my Documents folder, which is not where I installed my runtime
Right, that is what I was getting at. Somehow you corrupted the main runtime entry, so that Poser does not actually tell the truth about where the main runtime is located. So of course the GUI couldn't show you anything from your main runtime, because it was told the wrong path, and so nothing exists in it.
I believe the script you ran to add external runtimes is, itself, buggy, which led to you gaining your externals and losing your main.
You should hand edit the libraryprefs.xml file and restore the first entry to have the correct path to your main runtime. Otherwise, more things will be broken than the library GUI.
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Latexluv posted Sun, 09 August 2009 at 3:30 AM
Sorry, been offline doing mundane things like laundry and a grocery run. Okay, I had not thought of looking at the libraryprefs.xml. I have edited a libraryprefs file before. Just not sure where that little beastie of a file is located.
"A lonely climber walks a tightrope to where dreams are born and never die!" - Billy Thorpe, song: Edge of Madness, album: East of Eden's Gate
Weapons of choice:
Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8
Latexluv posted Sun, 09 August 2009 at 3:36 AM
Okay, found library prefs in my documents and settings folder. There were actually two separate sets in there and I believe that's because I initially tried to install Poser8 into my external drive because I had more room there. When that install didn't work. I uninstalled and reinstalled into C drive. Apparently, the preference folder for the first install was not removed from Documents and Settings. I'll be looking at the actually libraryprefs.xml now. Wish me luck.
"A lonely climber walks a tightrope to where dreams are born and never die!" - Billy Thorpe, song: Edge of Madness, album: East of Eden's Gate
Weapons of choice:
Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8
Latexluv posted Sun, 09 August 2009 at 3:44 AM
Arrrrrrgh! Yes, two entries were pointing toward Documents and Settings, and my Poser content is not there. I corrected the entries to the new path for my Poser installed. I booted up Poser, but the library palette is still empty.
"A lonely climber walks a tightrope to where dreams are born and never die!" - Billy Thorpe, song: Edge of Madness, album: East of Eden's Gate
Weapons of choice:
Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8
Latexluv posted Sun, 09 August 2009 at 3:52 AM
"A lonely climber walks a tightrope to where dreams are born and never die!" - Billy Thorpe, song: Edge of Madness, album: East of Eden's Gate
Weapons of choice:
Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8
Latexluv posted Sun, 09 August 2009 at 3:56 AM
Hi skylab3D! Nice to see you in the forums late night (or at least for me it's late night). We feel each other's pain about this issue. I'm not giving up on it and I'm glad that BB is stopping in and making suggestions. I am disappointed that Tech Support hasn't responded to my last two messages, although they could be busy due to volume.
"A lonely climber walks a tightrope to where dreams are born and never die!" - Billy Thorpe, song: Edge of Madness, album: East of Eden's Gate
Weapons of choice:
Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8
skylab3D posted Sun, 09 August 2009 at 4:18 AM
Hi LL...seems you are making progress of some sort. You have much more knowledge of the program than I do so you might be able to help them solve the issue. I'm seeing other threads popping up with similar disappearing library issues. I'm sitting back and watching now since there was little I could do once I shared the screen captures. I did notice a thread today discussing XL Library here:
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2778635
...so I tried it and it is working beautifully for me. I'm not a content creator, just a hobbyist, so it will meet my needs. Guess I'll be out of the loop for future Poser upgrades, but that's the way things go.
Yes, it's hard to say whether this is late night or early morning...haha. I'm east coast US so it's a little past 5 a.m. here.
I'll be stopping in to check on progress, I still may learn something from all this. Have a good evening/early morning, whichever, and I'll check back tomorrow evening.
~skylab : )
Latexluv posted Sun, 09 August 2009 at 4:34 AM
waving I've used Poser since version 3 and I've learned a lot about Poser's file structure. I've edited things like libraryprefs files before. And way back when the concept of a MAT file was new I was taught how to edit and make a MAT file by hand using a Pose file and Word. I'm not an expert but I like to say that I know enough about Poser to be extremely dangerous.
I am considering this XL Library thing but I'd rather not shell out more money. I'd like the product I bought work right for me. But, in truth, I bought Poser 8 to be a render engine. I wasn't planning on moving my existing library from Poser Pro into Poser 8. I just really wanted to see and use GI lighting. But a functional library palette would be a darn good thing to have.
I'm here on the west coast. I'm a native of Dallas, Texas who finds herself now living in Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada. It's usually quite nice weather wise here, but we just lived through an extreme weather event with temperatures up to the equivalent of 100 degrees F. This has only happened on the West Coast of Canada 3 times in a 130 years. Since this area of the country is so temperate, hardly anyone has air conditioning. For two weeks was living with fans going full blast. And there are wild fires all over the province.Hope your area is more normal.
Keeping checking back here, I'll still be plugging away with this because I really, really don't want to have to ask for a refund on my product.
"A lonely climber walks a tightrope to where dreams are born and never die!" - Billy Thorpe, song: Edge of Madness, album: East of Eden's Gate
Weapons of choice:
Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8
skylab3D posted Sun, 09 August 2009 at 5:33 AM
Well hi....you're still on. I pop back and forward....working on putting up a little cartoon website for the fun of it ( 3dtoonz.net ) ....so I work on it awhile, then check back over here, then sometimes check over at DAZ since I started with Studio before graduating to Poser....but the DAZ forums right now are not the place to discuss these issues. I prefer the more mature approach over here at Rendo.
Would love to have your knowledge. You mentioned two areas I need much improvement.....the whole business of MAT files in order to create a few free textures and such....and lighting. Lighting often makes or fails to make the picture. My favorite part of 3D is posing, expression, and animation...but even the best of these can be ruined by poor lighting....so I have much to learn, and had looked forward to better lighting capabilities in Poser 8. I didn't realize I'd be tipping through a technical mine field to get there....haha....oh well.
I started out using mostly DAZ human models, but am moving more toward comic characters that animate more freely. I guess my high aim for the future would be learning to use lip sync for realistic human animations, but must crawl before I can walk....haha. So....my TOONZ site is a place to crawl for now.
The weather is due to jump to 100 here by Monday....so whatever hit you is probably heading eventually to us. Not looking forward to it at all, but hopefully it will pass after about three days.
Signing off for now, will be back on tomorrow evening.
~skylab : )
nruddock posted Sun, 09 August 2009 at 6:11 AM
Quote - Is there something wrong with this file?????
Technically yes, the version attribute should be "1.0", but IE is far too exacting, and this isn't as terrible as it's making out.
If you need to view an XML file you think might be faulty, use a text editor, e.g. Wordpad.
bagginsbill posted Sun, 09 August 2009 at 7:43 AM
Quote - There was another xml file in that folder and I decided to open and view that to see what it said and I got this when I opened it in IE. Is there something wrong with this file?????
No, IE doesn't like it but that file is not for IE. IE wants the version to be filled it, which is irrelevent and really really stupid.
Anyway, you said it didn't work. Show me what you entered. Show me what the GUI shows on hovering. Show me the correct paths. I'm operating blind here.
Either you entered everything correctly or you didn't. That is truth. :-)
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Latexluv posted Sun, 09 August 2009 at 5:51 PM
"A lonely climber walks a tightrope to where dreams are born and never die!" - Billy Thorpe, song: Edge of Madness, album: East of Eden's Gate
Weapons of choice:
Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8
Latexluv posted Sun, 09 August 2009 at 5:59 PM
For giggles I tried right clicking on LSMGUI.swf an launching it in IE. I got a Windows page giving me an attempt to define what kind of file it was and links to two programs which would display it. One of which was the Flash 10 install page (which I thought I had already installed). So I went there again and installed through IE. This time it installed, and gave me a pop up screen with some demo image on it and text saying that if you can see the movie then Flash has been installed properly. However just a second before that screen popped up, there was one that said that Flash 10 had failed to register. I did get the screen where the flash movie was playing properly so I thought maybe it was okay. However the palette is still in its blank state and LSMGU.html still won't display under IE.
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Weapons of choice:
Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8
ratscloset posted Sun, 09 August 2009 at 9:10 PM
Support hours at SM are normal Business hours, so normally you would not hear from them on weekends, unless some fool was actually working..
For those with this issue, based on some reports from users, feedback from Bagginsbill, and others. There are some things to try. Most that have tried, reported they now have Library.
First.. make sure you OS and Browser are up to date.
Second, make sure you do have Flash 10 installed. Go to the Adobe Site and download the uninstaller and then run the installer for your OS and all Browsers installed (to be safe).
Reboot after this and see if you have Libraries...
If not, check your permissions for your Browser and for your Firewall. Make sure that Poser.exe and your Browser are not limited or blocked in anyway.
Change your Scripts from block to Prompt in the settings. I am not sure which one here is the culprit yet, but you may then get a prompt about any Script Blocking.
For those that Firefox is showing 0 Content, you need to delete your Preferences and you need to make sure your Poser 8 Content is installed. There is a Script you can run in the Scripts that will find the Libraries for you on your system.(I can not get that to work across the Network yet.)
If you still have issues, please contact Support. If any of this works, please contact support and let them know what worked.
ratscloset
aka John
Latexluv posted Sun, 09 August 2009 at 10:02 PM
More....
"A lonely climber walks a tightrope to where dreams are born and never die!" - Billy Thorpe, song: Edge of Madness, album: East of Eden's Gate
Weapons of choice:
Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8
Latexluv posted Sun, 09 August 2009 at 10:06 PM
"A lonely climber walks a tightrope to where dreams are born and never die!" - Billy Thorpe, song: Edge of Madness, album: East of Eden's Gate
Weapons of choice:
Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8
Latexluv posted Sun, 09 August 2009 at 10:13 PM
I changed security setting under Intranet also. But Poser's palette is sitll empty. sigh
"A lonely climber walks a tightrope to where dreams are born and never die!" - Billy Thorpe, song: Edge of Madness, album: East of Eden's Gate
Weapons of choice:
Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8
SeanMartin posted Sun, 09 August 2009 at 10:23 PM
Just curious about something...
Does one have to have the Flash player? Or can one just suffer along with the same libraries as I have in P7?
I'm sure it's a nifty look, folks, but it really does seem like a lot of work for not much final result. And reading through this thread... god I feel like such a luddite. I have no idea what some of you are talking about, and I try to stay on top of all this.
Hate to say it, but I think I'm giving P8 a bye for now.
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Latexluv posted Sun, 09 August 2009 at 10:32 PM
I am trying not to get frustrated, but I am getting there. I tried once again on the Security Section of Windows Control panel. I don't know why it didn't click before when I looked the first time, I suppose it was because I know I don't use Windows built in Firewall, but it said that a firewall was active. I clicked it and it said that Norton's Worm protection was active. I opened Norton, found the Worm protection and added Poser 8's exe as a permitted program. I rebooted the computer. Opened Poser 8, and the palette is still dead, dead, dead. I can't think of where to go next.
"A lonely climber walks a tightrope to where dreams are born and never die!" - Billy Thorpe, song: Edge of Madness, album: East of Eden's Gate
Weapons of choice:
Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8
ratscloset posted Sun, 09 August 2009 at 10:33 PM
Yes, you have to use Flash Player 10. With regards to the Runtimes/Libraries, the actual Files have not changed, but the way Poser accesses them has changed. If you use a third party product, it may work with Poser 8.
ratscloset
aka John
Latexluv posted Sun, 09 August 2009 at 10:35 PM
I am now considering XL Library. I'm extremely unhappy to have to pay some extra bucks because Poser 8 won't work properly.
"A lonely climber walks a tightrope to where dreams are born and never die!" - Billy Thorpe, song: Edge of Madness, album: East of Eden's Gate
Weapons of choice:
Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8
ratscloset posted Sun, 09 August 2009 at 10:36 PM
Quote - I am trying not to get frustrated, but I am getting there. I tried once again on the Security Section of Windows Control panel. I don't know why it didn't click before when I looked the first time, I suppose it was because I know I don't use Windows built in Firewall, but it said that a firewall was active. I clicked it and it said that Norton's Worm protection was active. I opened Norton, found the Worm protection and added Poser 8's exe as a permitted program. I rebooted the computer. Opened Poser 8, and the palette is still dead, dead, dead. I can't think of where to go next.
Send where you are, back to Support.. might be tomorrow before I get a chance to respond to you, but I think you are very close... it looks like it is still a permission issue, but at least we have gotten it displaying correctly in IE, so we know those permissions are correct.
(btw.. I am the John that you have been dealing with from SM Tech Support...)
ratscloset
aka John
Latexluv posted Sun, 09 August 2009 at 10:53 PM
By the way I did get a new email from Tech Support. There is only one thing in his suggestions that I don't understand how to do.
The other issue encountered is one of Permissions for Folder Access. Installation should be as Administrator for all aspects (Poser and Flash) The Runtimes need to be available to all users. (This can be an issue even if you are the only user on some systems) Remember to Reboot your system after you make any changes to your Firewall or User Accounts access.
When I checked the Documents and Settings folder, All Users, Application Data, there is a folder for Poser 8 with a couple of data files in it.
Can someone explain what the tech is trying to say to me????
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Weapons of choice:
Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8
Latexluv posted Sun, 09 August 2009 at 10:55 PM
Hi, ratscloset! So you have been the one trying to help me. I must have been typing when you were posting. I was going to respond to the Tech email and add the link to this forum discussion because of all that I've said here and the images I've posted.
"A lonely climber walks a tightrope to where dreams are born and never die!" - Billy Thorpe, song: Edge of Madness, album: East of Eden's Gate
Weapons of choice:
Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8
Latexluv posted Sun, 09 August 2009 at 11:05 PM
heavy sigh Guess what? IE is not displaying the palette again.
"A lonely climber walks a tightrope to where dreams are born and never die!" - Billy Thorpe, song: Edge of Madness, album: East of Eden's Gate
Weapons of choice:
Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8
skylab3D posted Sun, 09 August 2009 at 11:18 PM
I won't be on as late tonight, tomorrow is a work day. Will check back tomorrow evening.
~skylab : )
ratscloset posted Sun, 09 August 2009 at 11:23 PM
LL I am not going to reply to your response until Monday sometime.. (It is actually Monday where I am already~!) I am off to bed, but you have shown that it is more than one thing often, and that is the difficulty of this issue... I think you fixed some of the issues, so hopefully we can figure out the rest quickly.
ratscloset
aka John
skylab3D posted Mon, 10 August 2009 at 12:18 AM
Forgot to mention, about XL Library, some in this thread link below expressed difficulty getting XL to recognize Poser 8 runtime at first. I think this was painless for me because I had already run the ShaderWorks script which searched and found all my runtimes. Worth checking this thread one more time just to make sure, if you've made changes to your system since you used the ShaderWorks method:
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2778635
Wanted to make sure I posted this for you so that you didn't encounter any more messes. The only issue some may have with XL is that it only shows PNG, not other images, but if you know your runtime fairly well, you can select things with missing icons simply by the name that shows.
Signing off now...have a good evening.
~skylab : )
SeanMartin posted Mon, 10 August 2009 at 4:47 AM
Quote - Yes, you have to use Flash Player 10. With regards to the Runtimes/Libraries, the actual Files have not changed, but the way Poser accesses them has changed. If you use a third party product, it may work with Poser 8.
Well, hate to say it, but that seems a bit silly. I"m sure it looks fabulous, but if it's getting in the way of working with the program, then it's borderline unnecessary. Really, why cant things like this be made into an option instead of a requirement?
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bagginsbill posted Mon, 10 August 2009 at 6:48 AM
Sean,
It's because this entire UI was built from nothing, using new technology. The option to keep the old library is not an option unless the old library exists. It doesn't. For it to exist under the new system would require writing it under the new system, not simply switching it on.
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SeanMartin posted Mon, 10 August 2009 at 7:12 AM
I wonder if new technology is sometimes everything it's cracked up to be. And after reading this thread, I really have to wonder. Sometimes it feels like we "innovate" to satisfy the geek fringe of the user base, the folks who arent happy unless they can really get in there and muck around with the deepest levels of a computer system. I just want to install the program, turn it on, and have it work. That's all. No fancy bells and whistles: just a simple, straightforward interface that takes me where I want to go without my having to check to make sure that all my internet permissions to properly set, that my folders are "deep", or that my "scripts" are correct. I just want it to run. Why does that seem like such a difficult thing to ask?
:: sigh :: Maybe it's time to just get out of this altogether. I was only partially laughing when I commented about Miss Nancy's post about lighting, but let's face it: that's where you guys want this to go, off into some weird little world where, to be frightfully blunt, a lot of the fun of this program is being stripped away. Still, who am I to stand in the way of "progress"?
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bagginsbill posted Mon, 10 August 2009 at 8:09 AM
Wow that is one of the most unnecessarily fatalistic posts I've ever seen, Sean. Perhaps you could watch some Sponge Bob for a bit. ;-) I'll try to convince you that things aren't so bad, but to fully do so would require I bring you completely in the loop on SM's product strategies. Clearly I can't do that.
There are some people who have configuration problems. In comparison, there are a far larger (far larger) number of people with no problems at all. FYI, those add-on libraries built in other tech are failing for some people, too. No matter what tech you use, it will fail for some people. That is the nature of PC software. Whether its drivers, players, firewall, whatever, there is always something that gets in the way for some people. We would be having this conversation no matter what it was built in. It will be sorted out, and this conversation will become dust.
The technology was not chosen to satisfy geeks. You made that up. As I said in another thread, the technical decisions were driven by a set of requirements that are not public knowledge. Were I to share them with you, you would probably accept the decision. Instead you have no knowledge whatsoever about the requirements, and so you speculate about why it was made. Since the requirements are private knowledge, there isn't much I can say to get you to stand for the integrity of the decision.
All I can say is that assuming the worst of people is usually a mistake. Why is it so hard to surmise that the decision was made with a lot more information that you don't have? Why is it so easy to assume, instead, that the decision makers are simply in love with dangerous new technology, or that they are simply stupid?
You're making a gross mistake by associating the decisions with your parochial view of the requirements. Being able to imagine more complex motives and hidden opportunities is the hallmark of both grandmaster chess players and great product marketing people. Unless you are one of these, both can appear inscrutable, and in extreme cases, downright foolish. Ever watch a Grand Master chess player lose a few pieces, following a few moves later with an inescapable checkmate? But before the coup-de-grace, how does the tyro know that the GM is brilliant or a fool? Not knowing what the GM knows, the tyro sees only chaos, failure, and believes the GM is confused and lost. The tyro is wrong.
I don't get how a few people with config problems convinces you that the program is going into some weird little world. I've already discussed this a lot. There are hundreds upon hundreds of people who have enormous runtimes and are quite happy with the new Library, perhaps with the caveat that they want bigger thumbnails. That last part is easily fixed. I already fixed it, but SM wants to test the modification and release it along with other fixes in SR1. So we lost a rook here, big deal, the checkmate is still coming and you haven't a clue what it is.
What do you mean about the fun being stripped away? Really, these statements are inexplicable to me.
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bagginsbill posted Mon, 10 August 2009 at 8:15 AM
Here's another tidbit. The checkmate that is invisible to you? SM has been discussing it with Daz, and they are 100% in favor of it and will be working with SM, not against, to make it happen.
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SeanMartin posted Mon, 10 August 2009 at 8:49 AM
>> " The technology was not chosen to satisfy geeks. You made that up."
If you wish to see it that, be my guest.
>> "your parochial view"
Again, if you wish to see it that, so be it. But y'know, there's a reason why Adobe hasnt changed its core GUI in over a decade. Yeah, they move things around here and there, but the tool box is pretty much the same as it's always been. I can look at Photoshop 5 and at Photoshop CS4 and still have a pretty good idea where I'm at.
But now apparently all that's changed, and we have to look like something out of the Matrix.
>> What do you mean about the fun being stripped away? Really, these statements are inexplicable to me.
Because the bells and whistles you guys have put in here will be useful pretty much only to the people who get off on the very things Miss Nancy pointed out in his/her (I never know for sure anymore) post: the minutae of things that now seem to command all the workings of Poser. Tell me: how much development time went into this sci-fi-like interface with its flashy windows popping all over the place? How much time was put into the long-dreaded memory leak? Can I now remove no longer used textures from the list, or are they still there until I close the project and reopen it ot get them out? This just strikes me as much the same as the latest Mac OS upgrade -- lots of really cool stuff that only a few people will find useful, while the rest of us just want to turn on our computers and have them run while we do what we want to do. I dont need glitz, BB. I need a solid program that works and works consistently, right out of the box... especially for what SM is asking for it. The very fact that now, less than a week after release, there's already a SR tells me things I really dont want to know.
And if all this makes me parochial, well, I guess I am. After all, one does not question what one is given. Carry on.
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bagginsbill posted Mon, 10 August 2009 at 8:57 AM
What is sci-fi about a tree control and some buttons? You've lost me.
What windows are popping?
Remember, I may have an opportunity to change the GUI, perhaps make more options.
Of course, a GUI that is completely tailored by the end user is sci-fi, so maybe you don't want any options. :)
Also, the word parochial is always a pejorative, nor did I say that you were parochial, but rather that your list of requirements was. I'm using it in the correct original sense, which is "concerned with ones own Parish", or in other words, only aware of your own needs, not that of the world as a whole.
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SeanMartin posted Mon, 10 August 2009 at 9:02 AM
>> " What windows are popping?
Tiny icons blowing up to big mages? Isnt that why Flash Player is needed? Isnt that why the old library is not an option?
>> maybe you don't want any options.
Well, the option I want isnt an option, BB. What's that say? And please note: I asked for it as an option, not a requirement.
>> "nor did I say that you were parochial, but rather that your list of requirements was"
Hmm. That seems to belie: "You're making a gross mistake by associating the decisions with your parochial view of the requirements."
>> I'm using it in the correct original sense, which is "concerned with ones own Parish", or in other words, only aware of your own needs, not that of the world as a whole.
Well, thanks for putting me in my world place. So what about that ability to remove textures when they're no longe needed? Can I do that now?
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Zaycrow posted Mon, 10 August 2009 at 9:48 AM
bagginsbill, Would it be possible to make the main window remember its place on the desktop and also save the x,y coordinates? Or is that something SM are in control of?
I never work in Poser with maximized window, and it has become a big problem the way it is made in Poser8 now.
bagginsbill posted Mon, 10 August 2009 at 10:19 AM
Quote - >> " What windows are popping?
Tiny icons blowing up to big mages? Isnt that why Flash Player is needed? Isnt that why the old library is not an option?
>> maybe you don't want any options.
Well, the option I want isnt an option, BB. What's that say? And please note: I asked for it as an option, not a requirement.
>> "nor did I say that you were parochial, but rather that your list of requirements was"
Hmm. That seems to belie: "You're making a gross mistake by associating the decisions with your parochial view of the requirements."
>> I'm using it in the correct original sense, which is "concerned with ones own Parish", or in other words, only aware of your own needs, not that of the world as a whole.
Well, thanks for putting me in my world place. So what about that ability to remove textures when they're no longe needed? Can I do that now?
Sean, I'm trying to be helpful. I have to ask you again what exactly do you want, both in the larger sense, and specifically. In the larger sense, do you want to influence the design process or not? Because if you do, the way you're going about it doesn't serve you very well.
The ability to dynamically scale images is a technology issue, but there are many technologies besides Flex that can do that. That isn't the reason it is built in Flex. Choosing to make them tiny or medium is a usability decision, not a technology decision. I already said I made them medium (original Poser) sized and fixed in size, and the new version will be tested. I can make options for all sorts of sizing schemes, but more options means more coding and more testing. I've said all these things already. Is there a reason you're ignoring things I've said in your responses?
If the growable thumbnail is really what you meant by windows popping all over the place, I have to conclude that you're really looking for an argument, instead of looking for a way to communicate with the design team to deliver feedback to get a solution that works for you.
My question about what options you wanted was sincere. I can influence what is chosen, and I can build things. I can assure you that if you just keep sniping, instead of offering specifics, and using inaccurate inflammatory phrases like "windows popping all over the place" then you're not going to make progress towards your own needs.
You're still wrapped around the word parochial. I said I it was not a pejorative, but your response again seems to be emotionally charged.
Look again. Nothing is belied. I said it is a mistake to associate the decisions with your parochial views. Since you continue to misunderstand me, and that's my fault, I conclude I cannot be succinct.
Let me be more explicit then:
You have certain views about requirements.
Others have certain views about requirements.
Collectively, all these requirements are the "world" view. In contrast, the requirements stated by any individual represent a "parochial" view. The word means narrowed in scope. It does not mean "stupid", "ignorant", or "misguided".
You have evaluated SM's decisions, and come to the conclusion SM made one or more mistakes.
I have tried to point out that SM's decisions were based on a requirements document that captured the predominant world view, not any single parochial view.
You do not have access to the world view requirements. You have no data, no requirements documents, nothing that was used to make the decisions.
When you ask "what were they thinking", the answer is they were thinking about the world view.
But your evaluation and condemnation is based on the incorrect assumption that the world view is identical to your parochial view.
I hope this is clear now.
If you want changes, speak of the changes. You may or may not get specific features in, but I can assure you that you will NOT be able to convince SM that your requirements are the only ones that should be addressed.
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bagginsbill posted Mon, 10 August 2009 at 10:24 AM
Quote - bagginsbill, Would it be possible to make the main window remember its place on the desktop and also save the x,y coordinates? Or is that something SM are in control of?
I never work in Poser with maximized window, and it has become a big problem the way it is made in Poser8 now.
I noticed that not only does it forget size and position, but it comes in shrunken to unusability.
My contribution has no control of this. The only part I wrote is the Library/Search/Favorites panel.
Overall control of keystrokes, panel layout, main window position and size, etc. all are SM software.
I agree with what you want, I just can't do anything about it. You should post this at support.smithmicro.com.
You guys need to understand, I have no access to the Poser source code, nor have I even seen it. I wrote my tiny little part, and they integrated it into the larger context.
Parameter dials, animation controls, I can't see or control any of those things.
I do not work for SM. I am a contractor, hired to do one tiny thing.
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SeanMartin posted Mon, 10 August 2009 at 10:48 AM
>> "Is there a reason you're ignoring things I've said in your responses?"
I'm not ignoring your responses. I'm getting frustrated by my own apparent inability to say what I'm trying to say, and getting nowhere in the process. As I wade through the lines and lines of computer jargon that's been thrown around here like rice at a Presbyterian wedding, it makes me realize that I'm not the target market for this version. So be it.
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Jules53757 posted Mon, 10 August 2009 at 3:21 PM
I had the prob with the empty lib window too and I found out it was caused by the firewall socheck the blocked apps not only towards the internet also towards 127.0.0.1
Change the Poser app to trust always or something like this, depending on your firewall, open the LSMGUI.html and it will work.
Ulli
"Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!"
Latexluv posted Mon, 10 August 2009 at 5:39 PM
I'm a late sleeper, I haven't gotten my head quite unclouded yet. When I do, I'm going to have phone communication with the Tech who is patiently trying to figure out what my particular problem is. At this point, I have tried everything that I can think of to get the Library running on my machine.
But I'll say this, I'm likening this problem to ones seen some some recent video game releases. At our house, we bought the game Fallout 3 for the PS3. We're playing it and enjoying the heck out of this game. We decided to restart the game and go different directions but when we did, the camera position seemed out of whack so we decided to go find the website for Fallout3 to see if we could find information on what we thought was a software bug. We get to the tech forums and see gobs of people complaining about freezes, crashes, characters getting stuck in rooms and unable to open doors to get out, and one guy claiming that the game destroyed his PS3. We happened to be one of that silent group of users who were having practically no difficulty with our copy of the game and the camera position problem wasn't a problem. It was called Over The Shoulder View, and someone explained how to straighten out the camera view. If we had read those forums as part of our research on the game before buying (we research games before plunking down the money for them because video games aren't cheap). We might have decided not to get the game. But for those who are having no problem with a game they have no reason to talk in tech forums.
I am sure that a majority of the purchasers of Poser 8 downloaded their product, installed, and had absolutely no problems whatsoever. You don't hear from them because they have no reason to complain. This time, I fell into the small group that had a problem on install. My system configuration is probably different enough that I've got problems. I use Firefox instead of IE (If I could uninstall IE and erase it, I would!!!). I use Norton because it came with the laptop. I didn't have the newest version of Flash, ect. Something inside my Toshiba is still putting a stop sign in front of the operation of my Library palette. I am sincerely hoping that we'll find out what that is.
If anything, the main gripe I've got is about the Windows operating system itself. This thing has been a mess since Windows95. I haven't migrated to a Mac yet because those are more expensive machines. Actually, having started out in computing as an Atarian, I wish that the Atari platform had continued and evolved and still be a player in the field. I use Windows because a majority of people use it, because it came to dominate and I was a writer and publishers wanted the writers' material to be submitted as a Word document, therefore I had to migrate to the Windows world. Been in the Windows world ever since, and bitching about it the whole way.
Even though this has been a major headache for me and other who have been speaking in this thread, just maybe people reading it and SM tech, can learn from these trials and tribulations. Will I ever get my Library palette working? I don't know. But I'll try until we've reached the end of any options to look at. At that point, I'll hope for a serial fix. I went and got the XL Library python script last night, and it sort of works and a substitute. But I'll say again, I didn't intend on moving all my content into this program. I've got content spread out in Runtimes going all the way back to the majority of my content which is still inside of Poser 4 on my external drive. I was going to use Poser 8 as a render engine because, gosh darn it, I wanted to play with GI.
So please, lets not have any arguements in this thread. Let this thread be an informative one. Thanks. Putting soap box away now.
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Weapons of choice:
Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8
skylab3D posted Mon, 10 August 2009 at 7:31 PM
~skylab : )
Latexluv posted Mon, 10 August 2009 at 8:14 PM
P.S. skylab, I'm not a spring chicken either. wink
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Weapons of choice:
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bagginsbill posted Mon, 10 August 2009 at 8:21 PM
mcz files are compressed material collections (mc6 files).
Perhaps XL isn't aware of them.
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Latexluv posted Mon, 10 August 2009 at 9:01 PM
Okay, that explains it, because XL couldn't see the VSS collections I had saved into Poser Pro. I'd thought maybe they were corrupted files or something. Okay. Thanks, BB!
"A lonely climber walks a tightrope to where dreams are born and never die!" - Billy Thorpe, song: Edge of Madness, album: East of Eden's Gate
Weapons of choice:
Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8
skylab3D posted Mon, 10 August 2009 at 9:03 PM
Hi LL....I checked the PDF that came with XL, and page 4 mentions a few limitations, and page 3 addresses navigation. I remember seeing on the CP site that XL would only show PNG, no RSR files. I did notice a free RSR to PNG converter in Rendo free stuff....has worked it's way to near the bottom of page 2 by now. I think one of the more pricier managers like PzDB here at Rendo is one that will do everything...but costs plenty. I've got a coupon that I'm considering using on it....which would bring it way down in price, but that would be about the only way. It does have a 30 day trial, which might help you in what you are trying to do, to get organized. Product is here:
http://market.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?ViewProduct=72733&keyword=pzdb
...and free trial is here: http://www.rocketshiptechnologies.com/software/pzdb/Free1.asp
I'm at the stage where some things that are yet over my head, I wouldn't even know how to go about looking for them. But, am also aware that a year from now, I probably will know. .First time I opened Poser I nearly fainted...I got past that and learned the basics, so the rest will come in time. So, the things that are missing for you, I probably have never searched them before....but will look and see what I can find.
~skylab : )
Latexluv posted Mon, 10 August 2009 at 9:18 PM
I started with Poser 3 and no manual. I just clicked on stuff to see what it did and asked a lot of questions of people I saw in the forums. I also learned quite quickly by picking apart other artists pz3. Back then people would load full pz3 scene to the freestuff because we all were using Posette and Dork. Daz hadn't been born yet, it was still called Zygote, and Vickie hadn't come along yet. Actually I still learn best by picking apart a pz3 file. I can look at camera settings, lights. material settings....but it's rare to see someone give away a simple pz3 file. I'd like to pick apart one of bagginsbill's simple pz3s--look at the camera settings, light settings, render settings....
Skylab, thanks so much for looking up things like that! If I can help you with anything just let me know!
"A lonely climber walks a tightrope to where dreams are born and never die!" - Billy Thorpe, song: Edge of Madness, album: East of Eden's Gate
Weapons of choice:
Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8
skylab3D posted Mon, 10 August 2009 at 9:39 PM
Know what you mean....when I opened the scene file included with this set, I was amazed, and it made me hungry to learn more:
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?ViewProduct=60203
skylab3D posted Mon, 10 August 2009 at 11:56 PM
skylab3D posted Tue, 11 August 2009 at 12:00 AM
Going off for the night.
~skylab : )
skylab3D posted Tue, 11 August 2009 at 1:50 AM
~skylab : )
Dizzi posted Tue, 11 August 2009 at 11:56 AM
That's no error... It's just what Poser always asks if you apply a material collection to an object that doesn't have some of the material zones that are available in the material collection.
skylab3D posted Tue, 11 August 2009 at 12:15 PM
~skylab : )
ratscloset posted Tue, 11 August 2009 at 2:26 PM
A little heads up.. when installing Flash, make sure you install the one for IE as well as for your Default Browser if you also use another Browser...
This might be the reason some see it in Firefox and not in IE or Poser 8...
Any that have contacted Support, and this works for, please let us know.
ratscloset
aka John
skylab3D posted Tue, 11 August 2009 at 7:21 PM
Hey LL, wanted to post this for when you come on, in case you're interested. Someone over in the XL thread said there was a program at CP by Dimension3D called XA - eXtended Access for Poser 8, at this link: http://www.contentparadise.com/productDetails.aspx?id=11191
There's a PDF and ReadMe near the bottom, under Details.
~skylab : )
Latexluv posted Tue, 11 August 2009 at 7:45 PM
Okay, I wanted to post this from Tech Support for others that are following this thread as lurkers. I have followed all of this except the bit about Administrator and Folder Permissions because I'm not sure how to do that on XP. I am afraid that if I log off I might not be able to log back on. I do not remember if I had to put in a password when I first started this laptop or not. As for the problem at hand I've even done a few things not mentioned in here by going into Norton and giving Poser 8 and Flash permissions.
To skylab, thanks! I'll check that link. I have purchased XL python and I can use it to load stuff into Poser if this issue is not resolved.
Okay, from Tech Support:
The following has resolved this issue when encountered with over 90% of those reporting the issue.
First off, make sure your Operating System and your IE Browser are up to date, using Windows Updater. Set your Browser to Medium or Medium High Default Security Setting.
Then go to the Adobe Flash Web Site and use the Flash Uninstall and then use the Flash Install download files.
Uninstall
http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/141/tn_14157.html
Install
http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions/
Launch Poser after rebooting and see if the issue remains.
If that does not resolve the issue, check your Firewall/Security Programs to make sure you are not blocking Poser.exe or 127.0.0.1
The other issue encountered is one of Permissions for Folder Access. Installation should be as Administrator for all aspects (Poser and Flash) when using Vista and all Users should have access to the programs and the Runtimes. (This can be an issue even if you are the only user on some systems. Vista you should not run the program as the Admin, but from your user account that may have Admin Rights.) Remember to Reboot your system after you make any changes to your Firewall, Security Software or User Accounts access.
To verify that all items were installed correctly, check the following Folder
... windows/system32/drivers/etc
for the Hosts File. In Hosts, using Notepad, look for the following entry
127.0.0.1 ::1 localhost
change it to
127.0.0.1 localhost
(removing the ::1 ) <[do not leave the space]. Save and reboot. Launch Poser.
Also, verify that the LSMGUI/bin-release folder is listed as a trusted Flash application folder.
The contents should be a variant of this:
…Poser 8RuntimeuiFlexLSMGUIbin-release
It should match the main runtime installation location.
In that folder is LSMGUI.html and LSMGUI.swf, the two pieces that make up the Library GUI. Launch Poser and double click the LSMGUI.html file and launch it in your browser. LSMGUI.html will display the Library as a standalone (but Poser must be running). Viewing this in your Browser may reveal the problem. If you also have Firefox, try using that to check the File when Poser is running.
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Weapons of choice:
Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8
ratscloset posted Tue, 11 August 2009 at 9:33 PM
Added.. . Make sure you download the IE version Flash for your Operating System if you also use another Browser
I will add that though there are only a handful of people still reporting this after the above steps, there is active investigation into the possible causes, since we have more encountering it.
I also want to thank those that are sticking with us in trying to determine the cause.
NOTE: MAC users that have partial Library, that is also being investigated, but is not likely the same issue. Oddly, it is about the same number of MAC users experiencing it.
ratscloset
aka John
Tea_Rex posted Wed, 12 August 2009 at 10:53 AM
Perhaps this may be helpful, if only to reassure some folks that this does appear resolvable.
I can confirm some of what has been reported and advised above. A friend purchased P8 over the weekend and also encountered the absent library panel. My own experience with Poser is limited so I was not able be of much help other than assisting in locating a solution.
After two days of hair pulling and cursing what worked for him was an uninstal of Flash Player, a reinstall of both Flash for IE and Flash for other than IE. This allowed the libary panel to appear, but not fully function. A change to the settings in Zone Alarm, allowing Server access, freed the library panel to function fully. It was not necessary to allow Internet Access in ZA.
The only issue now is that CPU usage skyrockets whenever the Librabry panel is open. This is being reported elsewhere and seems to be more of a Flash than Poser issue; although they've now been married for "better or worse."
His system is Win XP with Firefox as primary browser. He seems happy with P8 on all other accounts so far.
If at first you don't succeed, then skydiving definitely isn't for you.
skylab3D posted Wed, 12 August 2009 at 11:54 AM
Glad it worked for you. Hope it was successful for LL. I tried all of the steps above, still not working. The only thing that I could add that might help others is, for years I've kept automatic updates fully on WinXP, but upon visiting the update site and choosing Custom rather than the recommended default Express, there were several necessary updates that had not been applied. All of that is resolved now. The NVIDIA driver update caused my monitor to go blank upon reboot, so had to reboot in safe mode, restore to previous, and start over, eliminating the video update. I went through all the steps of uninstalling Flash, and reinstalling version 10 in both IE8 and Firefox. I picked through and found the other files, folders and walked through all the steps. Not much else I can do.
LL , again, hope it works for you....you've surely been working hard on this. By the way, I googled for info about lost Windows password recovery....and there are ways to do it....but, I didn't want to see you go through what I did with the video driver, so didn't post any links. Apparently it is possible to get it, but it involves creating a boot disc, and you'd run the risk of it maybe working, or maybe not. You'd need to do a full backup of your files before trying something like that. It doesn't seem one could get a P8 fix to work without rebooting...it's required in several of the steps above....but hope somehow that you can.
~skylab : )
Latexluv posted Wed, 12 August 2009 at 4:49 PM
Sorry, yesterday was not a good day for me to be online. I set up a render and went and did other things. Have to do a grocery run today.
I have tried all these steps except the logging off and then logging on as Admin. I've even made sure that Poser and Flash has permission in Norton. The Library palette will show up under Firefox which is my primary browser. (Believe me, if I could uninstall and delete IE, I would!). I've only gotten the browser to appear under IE a couple of times, but it doesn't stick. I even made IE my default browser for a little bit and got the Library to appear under IE, except after reboot it was a no go. And yes, I've noticed that when the Library palette is showing under Firefox, the CPU usage skyrockets and kills available memory for big renders pretty quickly. There is a beta update for my video driver, but I've decided not to give that a go because I don't want my laptop to become scrambled eggs. The only thing that I've thought about doing is reinstalling the core program with Norton disabled. But I'm not really hopeful on that. I have the XL library python script and that works to a degree for me.
I'm sure they thought this Flex thing would be great but for a few of us out here with odd configuratons, it's not a good idea. I still think they should have given us the option of installing the Classic Interface or the new Interface for Poser. But that's just me because the new isn't working for me. I think it was a mistake to marry Poser to anything having to do with IE. Maybe some serial update might resolve my issue without having to try to log off my computer. Logging off worries me because I can't recall if I had to create a password or not. I don't think that I did, but I'm not 100% sure.
I let P8 do a render yesterday while I was away from the computer. GI seems to really not like transmapped hair, and I'm going to have to switch from VSS with AO to the one without because the GI calculation pass took 3 hours. Oh, what came out the other end looked fab, but took six hours.
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Weapons of choice:
Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8
bagginsbill posted Wed, 12 August 2009 at 5:08 PM
Stefan said we should not use material-AO with GI. First of all, it increases render time exponentially. Second, GI does what AO does better. Third, when you use both, you're doubling the occlusion effect, losing realism.
Another thing - using VSS shader-based GC with GI is mathematically unsound.
Look here:
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?message_id=3499511
Scroll down till you see pictures of V4.
I am still learning and studying P8 GI. I had an important discovery yesterday and another today. Since I'm still learning, I'm not posting tutorials yet, but I will be. If I had posted a tut on VSS and P8 yesterday, I would have told you wrong things.
Please be patient - you do not want the blind leading the blind, right? I can see a little bit now - getting there.
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skylab3D posted Wed, 12 August 2009 at 5:17 PM
Hi LL....sounds like you've gotten to know your laptop real well, as I have my Gateway desktop this week. Thankfully I have a backup laptop for emergencies, but I don't tinker with it for that reason. And yes, caution is a good idea with video driver updates. Make sure you know which key to press in order to go into safe mode should you ever have a mess on your hands....I had to run to the Gateway website by way of laptop to find that seldom used information. I'm not one to give up on things easily so I was determined to at least give it a fair try, but it's getting to the point where it can wear you out...and like you mentioned, there are real like things like grocery runs and errands, and work.
When this is all behind us and we've had a little rest, would love to learn something about what you do with lighting....or point me in the right direction to learn. I get frustrated....have fairly good ideas for composing pictures, but the lighting is always either poor to down right bad because I don't know how to use all the advanced features.....the things that make glass look like glass, and well-placed dim lights. I know it's all a matter of dials in the right place, so I'm not afraid to try it. Sometimes I hit a snag with terms that are used....because they are not yet familiar.
Glad to see you online again....I was starting to get a little concerned, if maybe you had your system fail to restart or something. And you're right, we have XL to fall back on, and perhaps the companion program that just came out may be helpful as well. Better to have something working, than the whole thing to go "scrambled eggs". This stuff could give you a twitch after awhile...hahaha.....
~skylab : )
Latexluv posted Wed, 12 August 2009 at 5:33 PM
To Skylab, I have spent the better part of last year learning IBL lights. Of course, with GI now, looks like IBL isn't a necessary component anymore. But I still have a nice collection of lights. If you'd like to Beta test. I can package up a couple of them in a little while and email them to you.
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Weapons of choice:
Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8
skylab3D posted Wed, 12 August 2009 at 5:44 PM
LL....Thanks, that would be great.... (hiding my modest eyes while typing...haha...)
~skylab : )
Dirtylooks posted Thu, 13 August 2009 at 12:05 AM
I would just like to add that I feel your pain. I too have been going through the same thing for days now. Nothing I have tried works and am about to get my money back. I am trying to be patient but... anyway I will keep an eye on this thread.
skylab3D posted Thu, 13 August 2009 at 12:36 AM
Sorry you are also having problems. Decided I would back off from it this evening and just play a few online games and relax. Sometimes I can get a fresh perspective after some rest.
If all else fails, some have had success using XL Library from CP, go here if interested:
http://www.contentparadise.com/productDetails.aspx?id=11143
...and a similar XA product was released this week, go here for info and PDF download:
http://www.contentparadise.com/productDetails.aspx?id=11191
Since I'm not a content creator, just a hobbyist, this works fine for me, at least for now. Hang in there . . .
~skylab : )
skylab3D posted Thu, 13 August 2009 at 3:23 AM
Dirtylooks posted Thu, 13 August 2009 at 12:08 PM
I have a ? for Sky. Did you purchase the upgrade version and after you installed did it alow you to put in your P7 serial?
IsaoShi posted Thu, 13 August 2009 at 2:55 PM
Quote - I have a ? for Sky. Did you purchase the upgrade version and after you installed did it alow you to put in your P7 serial?
Dirtylooks... There is no difference in the software, or the way it is installed, between the 'upgrade' and the full product. It is only different pricing, depending on whether or not you own a qualifying version of Poser.
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what I should be."
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Dirtylooks posted Thu, 13 August 2009 at 4:30 PM
Thank you. At this point I have wondered about everything.
skylab3D posted Thu, 13 August 2009 at 5:45 PM
Dirtylooks....I usually come on here kind of late so just getting your message. The initial install screen did appear as if it was going to ask for my Pro number, but once I entered the P8 number, it seemed to be satisfied and went on with the installation....perhaps since Pro was on my system. The other five or six times I've uninstalled and then re-installed, it just picks up where it left off, as if my serial is already in the registry or somewhere. That gives me the feeling that it's holding on to information from the very first install, and won't give it up....and perhaps no matter how much I change the security settings, reboot, reconfigure, and stand on my head only on Tuesdays while it's raining (haha), there may be something from the initial install that is ignoring the new configuration and permissions.....anyway, it's just the conclusion I've drawn because I can't think of anything else it could be.
~skylab : )
Dirtylooks posted Thu, 13 August 2009 at 6:29 PM
LOL. If it makes you fell better I was able to delete the reg file and it still didn't matter or even ask for the previous serial. So Hopefully Smith Micro finds a solution soon. At this point I have looked for anything to fix it. With the exception of reformatting my computer. :)
skylab3D posted Thu, 13 August 2009 at 6:57 PM
Well, there you go...you've even done that, so that answered that question. Perhaps I've been choosing the wrong day to stand on my head? haha....
So far XL Library has been working fine for loading content....as you can see from image on previous page, Ryan loaded fully clothed with no problem, and I was able to access lights through XL as well. Before I got XL, I was loading up scenes in other versions of Poser, saving as a scene, and then going into Poser 8 and re-opening. It works, but you don't have the benefit of some of the new P8 content. Might buy you a little time while waiting for more news.
~skylab : )
ratscloset posted Thu, 13 August 2009 at 9:43 PM
Contact Support with the details of any issue. The Registration should just need your Name and the Poser 8 Code... nothing else should be required.
Make sure you are not blocking Poser.exe ... if you are, the process will not complete and generate an error.
ratscloset
aka John
Winterhawk200 posted Sun, 16 August 2009 at 4:05 PM
Quote -
The following has resolved this issue when encountered with over 90% of those reporting the issue.
In that folder is LSMGUI.html and LSMGUI.swf, the two pieces that make up the Library GUI. Launch Poser and double click the LSMGUI.html file and launch it in your browser. LSMGUI.html will display the Library as a standalone (but Poser must be running). Viewing this in your Browser may reveal the problem. If you also have Firefox, try using that to check the File when Poser is running.
Hi I seem to be having the same problem. I have followed the instructions multiple times, and I am still having the problem in Poser 8 and in IE. when I load the file LSMGUI.html in firefox (with poser running) it shows the library in the firefox window. however the item is still the blank screen in poser 8 and IE. This makes me think that the problem is with a setting for IE. Now I went over a large number of them but I am unable to figure out what to change. Anyone else have some ideas?
ratscloset posted Sun, 16 August 2009 at 5:50 PM
Quote -
Hi I seem to be having the same problem. I have followed the instructions multiple times, and I am still having the problem in Poser 8 and in IE. when I load the file LSMGUI.html in firefox (with poser running) it shows the library in the firefox window. however the item is still the blank screen in poser 8 and IE. This makes me think that the problem is with a setting for IE. Now I went over a large number of them but I am unable to figure out what to change. Anyone else have some ideas?
If you have not already, contact Support... with the above details
ratscloset
aka John
TrekkieGrrrl posted Mon, 17 August 2009 at 5:46 AM
Quote - Contact Support with the details of any issue. The Registration should just need your Name and the Poser 8 Code... nothing else should be required.
Make sure you are not blocking Poser.exe ... if you are, the process will not complete and generate an error.
Not that it bothers me personally.. but does this mean you'll have to be connected to the Internet while installing Poser 8? Does it indeed phone home? I've told everybody that this wasn't the case, but your answer makes me wonder anyway.
Again, it's no issue to me, I have no problems with programs verifying themselves to the "mothership" - but I know a lot of people feel differently about that :)
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ratscloset posted Mon, 17 August 2009 at 7:18 AM
Quote - > Quote - Contact Support with the details of any issue. The Registration should just need your Name and the Poser 8 Code... nothing else should be required.
Make sure you are not blocking Poser.exe ... if you are, the process will not complete and generate an error.
Not that it bothers me personally.. but does this mean you'll have to be connected to the Internet while installing Poser 8? Does it indeed phone home? I've told everybody that this wasn't the case, but your answer makes me wonder anyway.
Again, it's no issue to me, I have no problems with programs verifying themselves to the "mothership" - but I know a lot of people feel differently about that :)
No, you do not need to use that to Register either.. (it is a Check Box)... One of my Test Beds is isolated from the Network and I can install and activate Poser 8. I do update this machine to make it as if it is fully updated. After reading some posts, I am thinking about setting up another system to be like one that was never connected to the Web. I could do that with an XP system,.. Have one of those getting ready to come to me.
ratscloset
aka John
jonnybode posted Mon, 17 August 2009 at 8:38 AM
Hi Latexluv!
as im reading this thread i got curious about one sentence :
quote:
I am afraid that if I log off I might not be able to log back on. I do not remember if I had to put in a password when I first started this laptop or not
:end quote
Does this mean you havent rebooted your computer in a very long time?
Regards / Jonny
skylab3D posted Mon, 17 August 2009 at 10:54 AM
jonnybode, no LL just meant logging off and back on as Admin.
Winterhawk200 posted Mon, 17 August 2009 at 3:28 PM
Quote - > Quote -
Hi I seem to be having the same problem. I have followed the instructions multiple times, and I am still having the problem in Poser 8 and in IE. when I load the file LSMGUI.html in firefox (with poser running) it shows the library in the firefox window. however the item is still the blank screen in poser 8 and IE. This makes me think that the problem is with a setting for IE. Now I went over a large number of them but I am unable to figure out what to change. Anyone else have some ideas?
If you have not already, contact Support... with the above details
Thanks for the reply, I had already contacted the support guys at Smith Micro and they did reply to my support ticket with the same info posted in this thread. I sent them a reply back and am waiting for them to give me some new stuff to work with.
I did however discover a workaround all though I can not for the life of me get the library open in poser 8 or IE, I can get the file LSMGUI.html to open perfectly in firefox. So What I do is start up Poser. Open LSMGUI.html in firefox and then use the firefox window as my library. It is not a perfect system and I will continue to try to fix the problem I am having but at least I can use the program.
Latexluv posted Mon, 17 August 2009 at 4:42 PM
I am seeing quite a few responses that are similar to my own situation. The Library palette will appear under Firefox but it won't appear under IE at all. I've tried just about everything. I even reinstalled the core program with Norton disabled. No change. The library works under Firefox but not under IE and of course won't display within Poser itself. I do not know if it is IE blocking the Flex system or something else. As per the post above, I can use the Library if I have Firefox running or I can use the XL library python script. So far I'm just using the XL Library and getting on with learning GI.
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skylab3D posted Mon, 17 August 2009 at 5:55 PM
Hey LL.....sent you a note.
~skylab : )
bagginsbill posted Mon, 17 August 2009 at 7:09 PM
Quote - I am seeing quite a few responses that are similar to my own situation. The Library palette will appear under Firefox but it won't appear under IE at all. I've tried just about everything. I even reinstalled the core program with Norton disabled. No change. The library works under Firefox but not under IE and of course won't display within Poser itself. I do not know if it is IE blocking the Flex system or something else. As per the post above, I can use the Library if I have Firefox running or I can use the XL library python script. So far I'm just using the XL Library and getting on with learning GI.
In almost every case I'm aware of, this is because somebody downloaded Flash for Firefox. You have to download and install Flash for IE, even if you never plan to use IE. It may seem strange and unbelievable, but displaying HTML (and things you can embed in HTML such as Flash) within an application requires a "browser" component. The only one readily available as a drop-in component for application developers to use in Windows applications is IE.
So even if you never plan to use IE as your Internet browser, there are things involving Internet technologies, such as HTML and Flash, that need to use IE as a component, not unlike using the built-in Windows color picker. (Which is also accessible within Poser.) IE is a Windows component, just like the Windows Indexing Service is a Windows component necessary to make the Poser Search feature work.
More and more, the technology to enable complex behavior is modular, and these modules are useful both for Internet applications and local applications. IE is just one of these modules.
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Dirtylooks posted Mon, 17 August 2009 at 7:50 PM
In my case I have installed IE and Firefox and Neither will open for me not in their respective browser or Poser 8 I should not have to spend more money on XL library just to use my new program. If it is not fixed by the end of the month I will return it.
Dirtylooks posted Mon, 17 August 2009 at 7:51 PM
Never had this problem with the previous versions or Makers for that matter. Sounds like a Smith Micro issue.
albertdelfosse posted Wed, 02 September 2009 at 6:34 PM
Poser 8 sucks!!!! I just decided to buy it and first time install here today and I get the blank library screen in Poser. You would think Smith Micro would test their software before selling it. I should not have to make umteen changes to my pc to get a program to work. I'm returning this piece of garbage tomorrow.
TrekkieGrrrl posted Wed, 02 September 2009 at 7:30 PM
Well by all means do return it and spare us for the whine fest.
Sorry I'm getting really SICK of peole screaming "THIS HAS NOT BEEN TESTED" - of course it has. Please people. Get a grip.
I'm not saying your problems aren't legitimate. In some cases they certainly are (while in other it's caused by some weird system configuration, or more likely Norton f'ing up things) but claiming that the sorfware left the company untested is ludicrous. AND insulting to both the testers and the developers.
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3anson posted Wed, 02 September 2009 at 7:31 PM
this is what happens when you use third party software as an integral part of another app.
my only bugbear with DS3A and all versions prior is that it relies on MS's C++ Runtime to work.
it works for the majority, but those it does not work for have to put up with faffing around with their entire library of user alterable settings, sometimes to no avail.
i fear these problems will become far commoner as software houses try to cut costs by purchasing 'over the counter' code to do a job, instead of employing programmers to write and develop the code that would work best with their new apps.
BB seems to have done a great job of his part of the new version, but think how much he could have done if he had access to the core code of Poser. he would have been able to see exactly how his coding interacted with the core code of the app.
TrekkieGrrrl posted Wed, 02 September 2009 at 7:33 PM
So any software house should re-invent the wheel?
That would CERTAINLY cut down the costs
It is apparently hard for people to get the ida of components.
If something is already an integrated part of for instance Windows, WHY in the world should any company waste time and money in maiking their own version.
It's like demanding that Poser should invent its own scripting language rather than use Python.
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grichter posted Wed, 02 September 2009 at 8:03 PM
Quote -
It's like demanding that Poser should invent its own scripting language rather than use Python.
Wait a minute, you mean Poser uses the finder, and directory code to find files that came with my OS? Plus Poser also uses print drivers that came with my printer and the video board drivers that came with my video card? Are you telling me they didn't write all new special code that does all that inside Poser for every video card and printer ever made? That Poser makes calls to my OS for launching, quitting, opening and saving files, memory management, and copy and paste functions? Why those lazy SOB's! 
Gary
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albertdelfosse posted Wed, 02 September 2009 at 8:14 PM
Ok mea culpa. I'm sorry I said Poser 8 has not been tested. But still to have to go into my pc and mess with a zillion settings and all.
I have not had any problems with other software packages I have installed on my pc. Everything installed and worked no problem the first time and I have been working with pc's etc for like 10 years now. It helps to have windows update on to auto install upgrades to windows drivers etc.
But this. Blah.
Why use IE as a needed part to get the library in Poser 8 to display right. (If it does not need IE ok remove foot from mouth) In Europe there was something about having windows sold without IE installed so people could choose the browser they wanted. Would Poser 8 run on those machines or would they be forced to install something they will never use. I for one use Firefox all the time. I do not want to mess with IE at all.
I'm not trying to be a bitch. But it's very fustrating not to have something work right out of the box when you have shelled out a large sum of money for it. More so given the state of the economy right now when I have to watch where every penny goes. I can't afford to spend a lot of time for that reason and others messing around with obscure settings in my pc to get Poser 8 to work right or any other software package for that matter.
Khai-J-Bach posted Wed, 02 September 2009 at 8:16 PM
". Everything installed and worked no problem the first time and I have been working with pc's etc for like 10 years now."
that's amazing. I've been working with them since the mid 90's and I've never seen that happen!
3anson posted Wed, 02 September 2009 at 8:25 PM
building by components is great, but all components and their tolerances MUST be built from the same masterplan of the proposed product to integrate into the whole as a finished product.
you would not fit a Honda Civic head to a Ford Taurus engine and expect it to run properly if at all, would you?
the same principle applies to software.
a library, in effect, is a database. not an internet browser .
correct me if i'm wrong, but Python has been practically a full part of Poser from early days, so would be easy to update by people who have full access to the code of Poser itself.
integrating code from an application that is totally different must have been a nightmare for anyone who did it, especially when they had no access to the core code of the product they were trying to get it to work with.
besides, Python is a scripting language, not an application( program)
btw did i have a go at anyone or any particular company? no.
i just made a general comment, not aimed at any program or person or company.
so there really was no reason to come back with a snide and totally uncalled for tone.
Dirtylooks posted Thu, 03 September 2009 at 5:59 PM
My ? is. How is any of this finding a solution for the problem?
Latexluv posted Thu, 03 September 2009 at 6:05 PM
I'll repost this from correspondence with SM tech support.
The following has resolved this issue when encountered with over 90% of those reporting the issue.
First off, make sure your Operating System and your IE Browser are up to date, using Windows Updater. Set your Browser to Medium or Medium High Default Security Setting.
Then go to the Adobe Flash Web Site and use the Flash Uninstall and then use the Flash Install download files.
Uninstall
http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/141/tn_14157.html
Install
http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions/
Launch Poser after rebooting and see if the issue remains.
If that does not resolve the issue, check your Firewall/Security Programs to make sure you are not blocking Poser.exe or 127.0.0.1
The other issue encountered is one of Permissions for Folder Access. Installation should be as Administrator for all aspects (Poser and Flash) when using Vista and all Users should have access to the programs and the Runtimes. (This can be an issue even if you are the only user on some systems. Vista you should not run the program as the Admin, but from your user account that may have Admin Rights.) Remember to Reboot your system after you make any changes to your Firewall, Security Software or User Accounts access.
To verify that all items were installed correctly, check the following Folder
... windows/system32/drivers/etc
for the Hosts File. In Hosts, using Notepad, look for the following entry
127.0.0.1 ::1 localhost
change it to
127.0.0.1 localhost
(removing the ::1 ) <[do not leave the space]. Save and reboot. Launch Poser.
Also, verify that the LSMGUI/bin-release folder is listed as a trusted Flash application folder.
The contents should be a variant of this:
…Poser 8RuntimeuiFlexLSMGUIbin-release
It should match the main runtime installation location.
In that folder is LSMGUI.html and LSMGUI.swf, the two pieces that make up the Library GUI. Launch Poser and double click the LSMGUI.html file and launch it in your browser. LSMGUI.html will display the Library as a standalone (but Poser must be running). Viewing this in your Browser may reveal the problem. If you also have Firefox, try using that to check the File when Poser is running.
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Latexluv posted Thu, 03 September 2009 at 6:13 PM
"A lonely climber walks a tightrope to where dreams are born and never die!" - Billy Thorpe, song: Edge of Madness, album: East of Eden's Gate
Weapons of choice:
Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8
mylemonblue posted Thu, 03 September 2009 at 6:26 PM
Quote - Now, let me add that I went through all of this that I posted several times. I also uninstalled and reinstalled Flash about 4 times. I went into Norton and made sure that Poser had permission to run. I did a whole lot of things and still my window was blank. BB came on one night and gave me some URLs to click (I'm not sure where the thread is), anyway, they came back with an error screen under IE and I showed him screenshots. He then looked up what the error message was talking about and told me to try under IE turning off the auto dectect LAN settings. I unchecked this box and low and behold, Poser 8's Library palette suddenly started working. I am going to post a screen shot of what I'm talking about. Try unchecking the box for auto detect LAN settings.
:b_stunned:
My brain is just a toy box filled with weird things
skylab3D posted Thu, 03 September 2009 at 8:47 PM
Hi LL ... here we are again....haha. Okay, I'm going to post some information here that might help the other 10% of the folks who are having problems. Please note, I have not tried this. However, it was posted on the DAZ forum by someone who did, and it fixed the problem. So...having said that, here goes. I'll put this in quotes below:
"...I use Windows XP SP3, still, and had the blank library tab. The solution for me was to go to the Microsoft site and download and install Microsoft Visual C++ 2008. After the reboot, my library tab was the fine.
One minor annoyance, though. Although my D|S 3 still worked fine afterwards, when I installed the next D|S 3 update - which forcibly reinstalls Microsoft Visual C++ 2005 - after my next system boot, the Poser 8 library had gone blank again. Running the 'repair' option from the Microsoft Visual C++ 2008 uninstaller and rebooting then got the Poser 8 library working again (and the D|S 3 still worked). So it appears that a D|S install - most likely the forced Visual C++ 2005 install within that even when you don't need it - is messing with the Visual C++ 2008 install, which in turn is bringing the Poser 8 library problem again.
So, anyway, for XP users, downloading and installing the Microsoft Visual C++ 2008 is worth a try as it fixed the Poser 8 blank library problem for me. But if it does, be aware that if you are also a D|S user and do a D|S install, you may then need to reinstall/repair the Visual C++ 2008 and reboot afterwards.... " (end of quote)
Now, I happen to be a DAZ Studio 3 Advanced user, so this could quite possibly be an issue on my computer. However, I use DS3 for some of my animations, and for the first time in a long time, everything is working, plug-ins, the whole bit, so I can't risk messing it all up. But, if this information can help anyone, there it is. Good luck everyone!
Good hearing from you LL, hang in there!
~skylab : )
albertdelfosse posted Fri, 04 September 2009 at 4:33 PM
I got some info in the forms over at Daz3D which solved my problem. Poser 8's library is now working. Then of course I just had to get the update of P3DO Explorer and the plug-ins for Poser 8. For when I'm working late at night and getting a bit blurry eyed.
MuonQuark posted Sat, 05 September 2009 at 9:09 PM
Well the library for mac users with Snow Leopard is totally hosed. It never displays the correct content. When you refresh, the number of items always changes. Also if you refresh long enough, Poser 8 will crash.
Any mac users out there have a possible fix? I've uninstalled and reinstalled flash 10 but the library is still hosed.
bagginsbill posted Sat, 05 September 2009 at 9:29 PM
Sigh. Why do you not contact SM?
THIS IS A BUG. It has been discussed. I know you can't read every thread. Nor can SM. YOU should talk to THEM.
It would be good if they know every single person who has this problem so they can verify with each and every one that SR1 fixes it.
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MuonQuark posted Sat, 05 September 2009 at 9:39 PM
Quote - Sigh. Why do you not contact SM?
THIS IS A BUG. It has been discussed. I know you can't read every thread. Nor can SM. YOU should talk to THEM.
It would be good if they know every single person who has this problem so they can verify with each and every one that SR1 fixes it.
Why would you assume that I had not contacted Smith Micro? As a matter of fact I have, I've opened a ticket. I was checking here to see if anyone had any work around until a fix has been released.
I appreciate you're feeling stressed this week but that is no reason to snap my head off.
bagginsbill posted Sun, 06 September 2009 at 7:56 AM
I assumed you had not talked to them because they know its a bug and there is no workaround, other than to have less folders inside a single folder. If you heard that from them, then you wouldn't ask here. Since you asked here, I assumed you had not heard that from them.
I didn't snap your head off. If I'd snapped your head off, you would be running to the mods demanding I be banned.
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adegner posted Sun, 06 September 2009 at 8:28 AM
What worries me the worst now is the SM and poser 8 will be broken every time now that Adobe flash updates itself and of course IE never updates. It makes perfectly good sense to rely on 2 external programs that have a history of poor coding and being broke.
so count on poser 8 being broke on and off. Maybe time to put in requests for poser 9 before the
coding starts.
Khai-J-Bach posted Sun, 06 September 2009 at 8:36 AM
....well as you said IE never updates. so that's not a variable is it?
MuonQuark posted Sun, 06 September 2009 at 9:23 AM
Quote - I assumed you had not talked to them because they know its a bug and there is no workaround, other than to have less folders inside a single folder. If you heard that from them, then you wouldn't ask here. Since you asked here, I assumed you had not heard that from them.
I didn't snap your head off. If I'd snapped your head off, you would be running to the mods demanding I be banned.
You think so? Hmmmm. I don't think you're a very nice person. You're rude and disrespectful to people and you're taking your frustration out on me. I don't deserve it and I'm done with you.
If anyone hears of a resolution/work around for the library problem in Poser 8 on the mac, could you please post it here in this thread? I'll monitor this thread for updates.
Thank you.
bagginsbill posted Sun, 06 September 2009 at 9:33 AM
Wow, somebody help me out here.
"22 posts" thinks I'm rude and disrespectful.
Hey, 22 posts, you want me to write you a love letter every time you need help with a problem? LOL.
I spend at least 20 hours a week on this forum helping people. I'm a consultant. In 20 hours I earn $4000. You obviously are unaware of that and expect me to devote extra time to you. Pay up.
Terse, short and to the point, is not the same as disrespect.
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Dirtylooks posted Sun, 06 September 2009 at 9:37 AM
I just wish someone had the answer.
bagginsbill posted Sun, 06 September 2009 at 9:55 AM
Answer to what?
I just got done telling you that it's a bug.
Look, the piece of code inside that collects file and folder names has a buffer in it. This buffer initially is sized at 50 items. When it gets over 50 items, the buffer is supposed to be re-allocated to a larger one, move the already found items over, and then release the original buffer. A mistake was made in this particular piece of code, which is unique to the Mac. As soon as Poser examines a folder with more than 50 items, it starts to trash its own memory. This can lead to crashes, data loss, etc. This mistake was not in my part of the Library, the Flex part, but in the C++ part. So I can't tell you any more than that because that's all the developer involved told me.
The only workaround, until SR1 is released, is to not have 50 items in a folder.
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TrekkieGrrrl posted Sun, 06 September 2009 at 10:17 AM
Quote - Wow, somebody help me out here.
"22 posts" thinks I'm rude and disrespectful.
Hey, 22 posts, you want me to write you a love letter every time you need help with a problem? LOL.
I spend at least 20 hours a week on this forum helping people. I'm a consultant. In 20 hours I earn $4000. You obviously are unaware of that and expect me to devote extra time to you. Pay up.
Terse, short and to the point, is not the same as disrespect.
BB it's a waste of time. Once people has made up their mind you can do anything and they'll still be convinced that you're disrespectful and bit their head off. Terse = rude. People want to be mollycoddled.
If it's any consolation, train passengers are like that, too. If they get the wrong ticket for somewhere (because they can't be bothered to LOOK at what their ticket says) - it's 110% the Railway company's fault.
And yes, they MAY initially have gotten the wrong ticket. People at ticket offices are HUMANS. They hit the wrong key from time to time. But that's why people should CHECK THINGS FIRST - Just...people find it easier to scream bloody murder than to look into things themselves.
I find it amusing.
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Dirtylooks posted Sun, 06 September 2009 at 6:07 PM
I don't have a mac. I have been in constant contact with smith micro trying to solve my particular issue. And I wasn't bitching to you. Thanks for all your help. or wait... not your help.
bagginsbill posted Sun, 06 September 2009 at 6:10 PM
You don't have a Mac?
You said "I just wish someone had the answer". When you said "the answer", you didn't mean "the answer to the problem being discussed in this thread?"
Because that's what I thought you meant.
I'm not a mind reader. I did reply with "answer to what?" I didn't think you were bitching.
I'm popping in at odd times for a minute or two between things I'm doing for my family and my job, and I'm supposed to be drinking and partying.
Everybody needs to relax. I type fast, I don't think, but I do give answers and info nobody else has.
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LostinSpaceman posted Sun, 06 September 2009 at 6:39 PM
I'm sorry but I have to step in here and agree. Terse DOES EQUAL Rude.
Thesaurus.com:
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Nobody's asking to be mollycoddled that I can see, they're just asking for answers given with a little more respect from what I can see. I understand BB gives of his time freely and man, that is FAN-Effin-Tastic! I applaud that! But he does come across quite harshly at times and I've noticed it myself. I still respect him for what he does and what he knows. I just wish he'd take a little constructive critiscism when it comes to his interpersonal skills. You don't have to be abrupt/terse/rude to make your point.
Frankly, calling someone "22 Posts" is blatantly rude! Post count should not be a factor in how we treat people around here. If you look you'll see MuonQuark has been a member here since 2007. Hardly a newbie, and even if he was, you don't treat newbies with disrespect do you?
TrekkieGrrrl posted Sun, 06 September 2009 at 6:45 PM
Well it's semantics. To me, terse = to-the-point.
And when people whine about getting To-the-point messages, well...
Dunno. It's probably because I'm a lot like that IRL myself that BB's replies doesn't strike me as neither rude nor abrubt. They're clear and concise. So some people don't like that? Fine. But noobs (in any foras ect) should put a finger in the ground before calling well-estimed members names ect.
I'm not sayinhg that long membership in itself gives you the right to be rude or anything. But people should learn what to expect perhaps...
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Khai-J-Bach posted Sun, 06 September 2009 at 6:48 PM
Quote - I'm sorry but I have to step in here and agree. Terse DOES EQUAL Rude.
Frankly, calling someone "22 Posts" is blatantly rude! Post count should not be a factor in how we treat people around here. If you look you'll see MuonQuark has been a member here since 2007. Hardly a newbie, and even if he was, you don't treat newbies with disrespect do you?
edited for brevatiy
and you think constantly badgering the man, telling him he didt do his job right, he does not know what hes talking about etc ain`t rude??
Im surprised its taken this long for him to snap at someone!
I think its time to cut some slack round here. you try being under the kind of attack hes been under and see if YOU don`t get terse.
LostinSpaceman posted Sun, 06 September 2009 at 6:49 PM
I've been known to be terse in the forums. I also know it's something I actively work towards not doing for the sake of peace.
Quote - and you think constantly badgering the man, telling him he did
t do his job right, he does not know what hes talking about etc ain`t rude??
I just went back through every page of this thread. MuonQuark never badgered BB at all! In fact he's got all of two posts in this thread.
Khai-J-Bach posted Sun, 06 September 2009 at 7:28 PM
read the other threads as well.
he's been under constant badgering since just before P8 came out. it's not just 1 person involved here.
MuonQuark posted Sun, 06 September 2009 at 8:31 PM
First of all, I'm not new. Not to 3D programs nor to posting in forums. That's another "assumption" that's being made. I wonder how many more wrong assumptions are going to be made? So far there have been several bad assumptions made. For the record, I've been doing 3D art and posting to forums for many years now. One I have been a member of for 7 years. Just because I only show "22 posts" here does not mean I'm not familiar with 3D programs or with posting in a forum. I've been using Bryce, DAZ Studio, Poser, and Vue for three years now. So does that clear things up as to whether I'm a newbie or not?
Secondly, I don't care how long someone has been a member of ANY forum. It does not give them the right to be rude and disrespectful to anyone. I was just an owner of Poser 8 coming to this thread because someone thought the answer to the Poser 8 library issue I'm having on my mac was here. I had just upgraded to Snow Leopard yesterday morning and was in the initial stages of investigating. What I received for asking a simple question was someone who thought I was an idiot and had not done what he thought I should have done prior to posting here, which as it turned out, I had done before posting here. He made several very bad assumptions about the poster and was rude and disrespectful and I called him on it. I was not "badgering" anyone. The question was asked of the general public and did not speak badly of anyone, including Smith Micro. He didn't have to reply to my question like that.
I will not tolerate bad behavior from anyone and I will call them on it every single time. This is the third time I have tried to post here at Renderosity and ran into disrespectful people. Hence the reason for only 22 posts here at Renderosity. I can also say that this post will be my absolute last here at Renderosity. If this is how you treat people who ask a simple question, and the Mods allow it, then I have no use for the forums here anymore. You guys certainly don't represent the Renderosity community very well in my opinion.
I sincerely wish you all the best. Please try and be a little more respectful of one another and also stop making assumptions about the poster. These assumptions will generally come back to bite you in the butt.
Thank you and goodbye.
bagginsbill posted Mon, 07 September 2009 at 12:01 AM
I don't agree with your assessment. And now that you're blowing this all out of proportion and we're talking about how we talk, it's going to get really silly and make no sense anymore.
But let's just keep going then I suppose, instead of talking about Poser.
Here's my first response to your stated problem:
Quote - **Sigh. Why do you not contact SM?
THIS IS A BUG. It has been discussed. I know you can't read every thread. Nor can SM. YOU should talk to THEM.
It would be good if they know every single person who has this problem so they can verify with each and every one that SR1 fixes it.**
Which part of that was rude and disrespectful? Yes, I assumed you had not contacted them. That is not rude. That is a simple consequence of the very question you asked.
In your next post you asked why I assumed that?
Quote - Why would you assume that I had not contacted Smith Micro?
I answered you. I was not rude. I simply answered your question. I assumed you had not contacted entirely because of what you said in your first post. This is what you said:
Quote - Any mac users out there have a possible fix? I've uninstalled and reinstalled flash 10 but the library is still hosed.
If you had contacted SM, you know there is no fix, and you would not be asking this question, or re-installing Flash. You would know that re-installing Flash has nothing to do with the fact that the file scanner inside the C++ code (not the Flash part) is broken. That's what I said in my next post.
Here's what I said:
Quote - **I assumed you had not talked to them because they know its a bug and there is no workaround, other than to have less folders inside a single folder. If you heard that from them, then you wouldn't ask here. Since you asked here, I assumed you had not heard that from them.
I didn't snap your head off. If I'd snapped your head off, you would be running to the mods demanding I be banned**.
By then you declared me rude and disrespectful. Those are the only three posts I made to you. Which one is rude and disrespectful? Which phrase? Which word? Where is the word idiot anywhere?
I called you "22 posts" after you complained about my communication style. My point was not that I'm owed respect for being here a long time. My point was that you appear to not know who I am, and maybe you should look around and see what I generally post about, and cut me some slack. Do I have to show you all the threads where I'm thanked profusely for all my help? Geez.
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bagginsbill posted Mon, 07 September 2009 at 12:13 AM
Quote - I'm sorry but I have to step in here and agree. Terse DOES EQUAL Rude.
Thesaurus.com:
Quote -
Main Entry: terse Part of Speech: adjective Definition: brief, short Synonyms: abrupt, aphoristic, boiled down, breviloquent, brusque, clear-cut, clipped, close, compact, compendiary, compendious, concise, condensed, crisp, cryptic, curt, cut to the bone, elliptical, epigrammatic, exact, gnomic, in a nutshell, incisive, laconic, lean, neat, pithy, pointed, precise, sententious, short and sweet, snappy, succinct, summary, taut, to the point, trenchantQuote -
Main Entry: rude Part of Speech: adjective Definition: disrespectful, rough Synonyms: abrupt, abusive, bad-mannered, barbarian, barbaric, barbarous, blunt, boorish, brusque, brutish, cheeky, churlish, coarse, crabbed, crude, curt, discourteous, graceless, gross, gruff, ignorant, illiterate, impertinent, impolite, impudent, inconsiderate, insolent, insulting, intrusive, loutish, low, obscene, offhand, peremptory, raw, savage, scurrilous, short, surly, uncivil, uncivilized, uncouth, uncultured, uneducated, ungracious, unmannerly, unpolished, unrefined, vulgar, wildNobody's asking to be mollycoddled that I can see, they're just asking for answers given with a little more respect from what I can see. I understand BB gives of his time freely and man, that is FAN-Effin-Tastic! I applaud that! But he does come across quite harshly at times and I've noticed it myself. I still respect him for what he does and what he knows. I just wish he'd take a little constructive critiscism when it comes to his interpersonal skills. You don't have to be abrupt/terse/rude to make your point.
Frankly, calling someone "22 Posts" is blatantly rude! Post count should not be a factor in how we treat people around here. If you look you'll see MuonQuark has been a member here since 2007. Hardly a newbie, and even if he was, you don't treat newbies with disrespect do you?
And being called rude when you're not actually rude is obnoxious. Read my 3 posts leading up to being called rude. There was no rudeness.
And your tactic of finding common synonyms isn't a valid approach to argument of word equivalence. You're employing what is called the "transitive closure", and while it is great for figuring out if there is a way to get from point A to point B via trains or planes, it leads to nonsense equivalents when applied to synonyms.
For example, using a synonym closure, by the same argument you gave above, I can show that mollycoddle means the same as destroy.
mollycoddle <= > spoil <=> destroy
I'm pretty sure you would argue that mollycoddle does NOT mean destroy. And yet that's the exact type of false argument you used above to prove that terse means rude.
You know what I think is rude? People jumping in to pile on to a really stupid argument, and adding really bad arguments on top of the stupid one.
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LostinSpaceman posted Mon, 07 September 2009 at 3:57 AM
First off, the man asked a question and your first reply to him made explicit use of ALL CAPS.
Now, we all know, that ALL CAPS is counsidered SHOUTING on the internet, so in effect. He asked a question and you replied by screaming in his face. Rude. You wouldn't do it in person, don't do it on the net.
When he called you on it and was miffed that you assumed something that was not true, your lame excuse was that if he had contacted SM first, he would know the answer. He stated he had opened a ticket. IE: He contacted them first. That doesn't mean he got an answer back before coming to the forums to see if there was an answer already here. It just means he did what you assumed he hadn't.
Your response to this was to call him by his post count dismissively and ask him if he needed you to write him a love letter with every reply you made. Again. Rude. Bill, you can throw all the math terminology at me that you want to. I looked up Transitive Closure and it's a math term. It has no meaning when it comes to the use of Synonyms in the english language in their most common usage. You may be a math genius, but you're no english major if you think the use of Synonyms makes my argument false. The very definition of Synonyms is that they CAN be used in place of their synonym counterparts. Every english student learns this in their first year.
Quote -
syn⋅o⋅nym ***
–noun*** 1. a word having the same or nearly the same meaning as another in the language, as joyful, elated, glad.
When using a thesarus to find synonyms, it's known that the further into the list you go, the further away from the actual meaning of the original word you get. In my example the very first synonym for both Rude and Terse is Abrupt. This means that those two words are interchangeable with the least amount of discrepency. in your example, you've gone all the way down the list to the seventh meaning of spoil which is destroy and the second to last possible synonym to be used for spoil. Your comparison fails!
All symantics aside, you were rude by shouting and then rude and dismissive when called on it. You think I'm rude for coming to the defense of someone else? Gee, I'm sorry.
TrekkieGrrrl posted Mon, 07 September 2009 at 6:31 AM
But.. BB didn't shout. (well he might have but I didn't see it as shouting)
I make use of ALL CAPS words all of the time - for emphasis. I do it in EVERYTHING I write. It's not shouting, it's emphasizing (however that may be spelled?)
And frankly, I dont blame BB for stressing that "this is a known bug" when it has been said numerous times in the past.
Sometimes it seems like everybody here just jumps in and asks the same questions ad nauseam - without even checking if the question has been answered before.
And granted, the search function here is rather rudimentary, and some of the threads are very long.. but still... The least you can do is LOOK first (see there's that non-shouting emphasis again)
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LostinSpaceman posted Mon, 07 September 2009 at 7:27 AM
Well I don't know what to tell you, TG. I've been on the internet since 1988/89 when Delphi plugged into the web and before that it was BBS systems and it's been a communications Faux Pas to use all caps for emphasis because most people consider it to be the same as shouting at someone. That's been the standard for over 20 years. I find it hard to believe that neither you nor BB have heard of this before.
JenX posted Mon, 07 September 2009 at 8:43 AM
Ok, enough.
I read the thread, because I got a complaint.
I'm going to go right on ahead and say BB was NOT RUDE until people started bagging on him for being rude. Gotta say, if I'm called out for being rude when I'm simply trying to help, I get pissy, too.
Don't like it when someone gives answers in a matter-of-fact tone? Sorry about your luck, that's how most people that actually know the answer give it. Don't like the answer? It doesn't make it rude.
Now, before anyone else goes ahead and complains that someone's being rude, take a minute to wonder how far out of your way you are going to take what is being said personally. I WILL NOT tolerate complaints directed at anyone who doesn't deserve them, and I especially will not tolerate complaints from those who shoot first.
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bagginsbill posted Mon, 07 September 2009 at 9:08 AM
Quote - Lostinspaceman: I'm sorry but I have to step in here and agree. Terse DOES EQUAL Rude.
(quoted as is, the caps were there)
Quote - Lostinspaceman: it's been a communications Faux Pas to use all caps for emphasis because most people consider it to be the same as shouting at someone.
You need to eat your own dog food.
I used the caps for emphasis and so did you, not shouting.
And JenX just used caps to emphasize words, as well. Heheheh.
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JenX posted Mon, 07 September 2009 at 9:16 AM
Yeah, but in my brain, I was shouting those words. /nod
The "standard" that all caps is shouting, IMHO, is kind of silly. Especially in circumstances where using the HTML to emphasize your point would be impratical. True, while posts in complete caps or where every 3 words is completely capitalized...yeah, it's annoying. But, a word or two? C'mon. Get over the caps. If you want me to yell at you, I can give you my skype account, LOL. You'll probably want the caps back instead, though.
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bagginsbill posted Mon, 07 September 2009 at 9:27 AM
Quote - When using a thesarus to find synonyms, it's known that the further into the list you go, the further away from the actual meaning of the original word you get.
Actually, it's known that the synonyms are listed in alphabetical order. Go look at your post.
LOL.
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3anson posted Mon, 07 September 2009 at 9:43 AM
it is generally accepted that all caps is shouting. to emphasize a word or statement, the normal thing is to use bold, italic or to underline.
Khai-J-Bach posted Mon, 07 September 2009 at 9:48 AM
it is?
I thought it was an entire posting of caps was shouting.
shows that everyone's got their own idea on the subject....
JenX posted Mon, 07 September 2009 at 9:57 AM
That's my understanding as well, Kaibach. Regardless, I'm still going to emphasize random words in my posts that need emphasis with caps. Because it's impractical in this software to use HTML on a constant basis, and, frankly, unless I'm writing a tutorial, I'm not going to take the time to highlight random words that are going to be glossed over anyway.
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JenX posted Mon, 07 September 2009 at 10:05 AM
In any case, now that we've had our interwebz grammar lesson, how about the subject at hand? The library problem in Poser 8, right?
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TrekkieGrrrl posted Mon, 07 September 2009 at 10:17 AM
BB has already "shouted" the answer to the subject LOL
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Einzelganger posted Mon, 07 September 2009 at 10:56 AM
its sad to see the thread that i started, nurtured, watched take its first steps and grow to full maturity, become bitter and twisted..sigh
just a bit of comedy (?) to lighten the mood folks :D
TrekkieGrrrl posted Mon, 07 September 2009 at 12:50 PM
Hehehj yea.. poor widdle thread pats thread
Threads are like kids I guess.. some of them grow into something we'd wish they hadn't...
And it's always someone elses fault ;)
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JenX posted Mon, 07 September 2009 at 3:05 PM
:lol:
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Tucan-Tiki posted Tue, 08 September 2009 at 6:51 PM
You're firewall is blocking the libraries from loading in poser 8, try turning it off or setting poser 8 components to have access.
Vestmann posted Tue, 08 September 2009 at 9:01 PM
I just dashed to the end of this thread and I have a question: Does anyone have a workaround for the library problem?
(gleeful shouting, bold and italic for emphasis, centered for attention)
I just wanted to say thanks to all who posted to this thread for the great entertainment value. A thread about a blank window that ended in a heated debate about the english language and grammar conventions! Common! You've got to see the comic value of this thread!
Morana posted Sun, 20 September 2009 at 12:33 PM
Quote - Now, let me add that I went through all of this that I posted several times. I also uninstalled and reinstalled Flash about 4 times. I went into Norton and made sure that Poser had permission to run. I did a whole lot of things and still my window was blank. BB came on one night and gave me some URLs to click (I'm not sure where the thread is), anyway, they came back with an error screen under IE and I showed him screenshots. He then looked up what the error message was talking about and told me to try under IE turning off the auto dectect LAN settings. I unchecked this box and low and behold, Poser 8's Library palette suddenly started working. I am going to post a screen shot of what I'm talking about. Try unchecking the box for auto detect LAN settings.
Thank you!!! I just installed a new harddrive and upgraded to Windows 7 yesterday, and for the life of me I could not get the Poser 8 library to come up (reinstalled P8 and Flash several times, unblocked firewall settings, etc., etc.). But unchecking that one little box finally did the trick.
Latexluv posted Sun, 20 September 2009 at 3:10 PM
I'm very glad that worked for you! I was just about at my wits end and ready to just give up with it all. I had already purchased the XL Library browser python script and was using that to navigate from Poser 8, but unchecking that one little box did the trick. Now, I use a combination of the Poser 8 Library and XL python. Good luck to you!
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mylemonblue posted Mon, 21 September 2009 at 3:56 AM
Quote - You're firewall is blocking the libraries from loading in poser 8, try turning it off or setting poser 8 components to have access.
Wow. Your firewall can block the libraries? (O_O);;
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Dizzi posted Mon, 21 September 2009 at 5:16 AM
The firewall can also disrupt the rendering in a separate process (you only get blank page) even if it does work with Poser 7 and Poser Pro ;-)
mackis3D posted Mon, 21 September 2009 at 6:22 AM
The firewall is the Wall Street of the Internet! ;-)
Lonezoner posted Fri, 06 November 2009 at 4:12 AM
can't find this Host file to check the settings for the life of me.where EXACTLY is it?
Lonezoner posted Fri, 06 November 2009 at 5:39 AM
just did a complete system check no file like that on my computer. Just to make my last post clear i am referring to the file that you are suppose to check a couple pages back.
To verify that all items were installed correctly, check the following Folder
... windows/system32/drivers/etc
for the Hosts File. In Hosts, using Notepad, look for the following entry
127.0.0.1 ::1 localhost
change it to
127.0.0.1 localhost
bagginsbill posted Fri, 06 November 2009 at 6:41 AM
My hosts file (running XP) is in
C:WINDOWSsystem32driversetchosts
I can't remember where it is on Vista but it might be the same.
The purpose of this file is to explicitly associate human-readable names for computers with their IP addresses. Some anti-malware programs, such as Spybot Search and Destroy, will use this file as a trick to prevent you from connected to known malware servers.
Spybot has put hundreds of entries in mine, all pointing to the loopback address, 127.0.0.1. This means that if my browser should get tricked into attempting to go to these computers, by name, it will instead ask my own computer for whatever malware is being served, which, of course, will result in nothing bad happening. It's a rather ugly trick but it does work.
However, if part of this strategy is to also block 127.0.0.1, then all local communication will actually be prevented. Spybot commented out the one line that really matters in my hosts file:
127.0.0.1 localhost
It changed it to
#127.0.0.1 localhost
But it doesn't matter as my system is configured to allow communication to 127.0.0.1 and Poser doesn't actually use the word "localhost" when trying to connect its various pieces.
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Lonezoner posted Fri, 06 November 2009 at 7:03 AM
ok thanx for the quick reply ......so if there is no such file on my computer do I need one and if so how do I create it?
bagginsbill posted Fri, 06 November 2009 at 8:53 AM
You don't need one, but if you have a bad one it needs to be fixed.
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Lonezoner posted Fri, 06 November 2009 at 9:42 AM
ok thanx
Dirtylooks posted Fri, 06 November 2009 at 3:21 PM
I had previously tried everything described in this thread to no avail. After going through each of my services in msconfig and disabling one at a time. I found that AOL top speed monitor was the problem. Hope this helps someone.
Dirtylooks posted Fri, 06 November 2009 at 3:24 PM
Shaderworks Library Manager is money well spent too. I bounce back and forth between Poser 8 and SLM.