the Freak 4 has been released
like it's Gen4 partners he is free, looks good can't wait to try him out

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Free only to platinum club members (which means, actually not free at all):
http://www.daz3d.com/i/3d-models/new-releases/the-freak-4?item=8436&cat=421&_m=d

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He is at DAZ3d.com
also to clarify he is FREE to PC members...

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the body looks very realistic

http://artzone.daz3d.com/wiki/doku.php/azproduct/8436
Seems that once again this is a set of morphs of the M4 figure.  Good luck modeling clothes for this guy, anything with detailed trims or belts or whatever will be a major pain.  I guess when SP4 is finally released that'll be a morph of V4 as well.

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Quote - the body looks very realistic

Sarsa is one of the best texture artists anywhere, that's a large part of the reason why.

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but the shape of the body is also good IMO.

what is SP4? 

The next step after Stephanie Petite 3.

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Quote - the body looks very realistic

nope. still out of all proportion with any real human. (look at it next to v4. she's totally nonhuman to start with........)

I'll as usual pass.

Well to be fair, the Freak versions were never intended to be realistic, they're basically out there for people who want to mimic The Hulk or other hyper-exaggerated characters.

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Non human to Super human was the poin to the freak, I thought, and if he is a M4 morph, with the built in scaling the hand a feet complaint re F3 should be no more. But I am quite confident foks will find somthing new to focus on. I am looking forward to picking him up tonight!!

Edited to add, You beat me to the punch pjz99

I was answering the point of 'the body looks very realistic'.... but please... miss the point I made by all means....

closing the thread.

Some of the testers and developers also hint at M4 Creature Morphs, but I guess they will be released, "soooooooooon".

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Sorry you feel that way. Everyone has their own opinion.

Tagged Bagged and downloaded. Thanks for the heads up!

If he would be realistic he does not be a "Freak"
IMO looks like Apollo Maximus muscle morph.

the muscles look better then on apollo.

Quote - Well to be fair, the Freak versions were never intended to be realistic,

Thanks for clearing that up I thought it *** ******M3 *** that was never intended to be realistic  :)   

they're basically out there for people who want to mimic The Hulk or other hyper-exaggerated characters.

 I can't get him to install on my MAC

Either he inhuman, or he's modelled after Brock Lesnar. (How funny that one of their very first characters for M4 is named "Brock," although in truth one or two of the base M4 images look more like Lesnar than the namesake character.)

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Thanks for the info.  Glad to get a new character, and free at that!

Of course, I went for the bundle, so it didn't end up being free, but what a deal!

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The bundle is a VERY good deal. It's only a buck more than the (included) M4 Casual Wear set (well, for us Plat folk), plus textures by Sarsa and Morris, and a hairstyle? (Not that the hairstyle looks all that appealing to me, but still.)

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Yes the freak pro bundle under 30 bucks (PC members) is a steal.

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Quote - Either he inhuman, or he's modelled after Brock Lesnar. (How funny that one of their very first characters for M4 is named "Brock," although in truth one or two of the base M4 images look more like Lesnar than the namesake character.)

Pshaw. Brock Lesnar is nothing. I thought the Freak was inhuman, but I did some looking around out of curiosity and I found some amazing actual humans that make the Freak look like a girl.

This is one of them. This is an actual human.

Here's another:

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Do a google image search for "myophile". Steroid infused monsters galore.

Until today, I knew nothing about this. The Freak is no freak at all compared to these guys.

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Yeah, I've seen that kinda stuff before. (I've known some bodybuilders, although they weren't themselves like that.) It's pretty gross.

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the first pic must be a photoshop job

Quote - > Quote - Either he inhuman, or he's modelled after Brock Lesnar. (How funny that one of their very first characters for M4 is named "Brock," although in truth one or two of the base M4 images look more like Lesnar than the namesake character.)

Pshaw. Brock Lesnar is nothing. I thought the Freak was inhuman, but I did some looking around out of curiosity and I found some amazing actual humans that make the Freak look like a girl.

This is one of them. This is an actual human.

Here's another:

I would guess the pics are photoshoped.

***"I would guess the pics are photoshoped."

***Not sure about the black guy but the white guy is a very obvious
photoshop job and not a very good one at that
note the obvious "masked" edges around the head and shoulder areas

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Maybe.

But are all these photoshopped, too?

http://www.lifeinthefastlane.ca/when-bodybuilding-and-steroids-go-too-far/offbeat-news/comment-page-4

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Especially the women or what´s left of them freak me out.

If you wan´t to add some real muscles to V4 try out my Freak for V4 Package. It´s free and it also includes Creature morphs and Vittorio for M4. Usage instructions inside, you need the original morphs to decode the files.

That first guy [the white guy in the two-photo post by BB] looks like he has tumors not muscles.  I agree with the Photoshop theory.

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The first guy is a photoshop job, if you look at the background, you can see the distortion. I´m not so sure about the others most of them look real, this can´t be healthy.

Yeah very likely those first pics are photoshopped.  Look at where the arms actually attach to the torso - you will never find a human skeleton that is proportioned like that.  The guy in the second pic is very probably Will Harris, a pro bodybuilder, but he doesn't have that crazy proportion going on in most of his other pics.  Did his pelvis grow?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugKjdkJu1d4 ***** Be warned, this is one of the most puke-worthy things you will have seen. *****

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Quote - > Quote - Either he inhuman, or he's modelled after Brock Lesnar. (How funny that one of their very first characters for M4 is named "Brock," although in truth one or two of the base M4 images look more like Lesnar than the namesake character.)

Pshaw. Brock Lesnar is nothing. I thought the Freak was inhuman, but I did some looking around out of curiosity and I found some amazing actual humans that make the Freak look like a girl.

This is one of them. This is an actual human.

This man has the physique of a modern comicbook superhero. Massive upper torso  but not so massive lower torso. I can't tell but I am guessing this is not photoshopped. There was a documentary (I didn't catch it) about guys trying to look like and have the bodies of comic book superheroes.

 This guy looks like the marvel character " Luke Cage" come  alive (I'm such a nerd for knowing that name ;P ). He even wears a hat like the comic book character.

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PJ is right. It is Will Harris, and it's not photoshopped.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27B5w-inrPw

Skip to 1 minute 10 seconds and be amazed.

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He's got a fantastic physique no doubt, the videos are the things to really watch with these guys.  His biceps are pretty clearly not as large as his head, but in the pic above they're much bigger.  Part of that might be blamed on the perspective of the pic, but I think it's been manipulated.  In particular look at the proportion of his hands in the video at 1:10, versus the photo.

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But in the pic above, he also looks 20 years younger. It's probably photoshopped. I can't tell. Not my area of expertise.

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Ignoring the date on the pic, where'd you get that info?  He seems to be 41 today

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I edited - I meant he looks 20 years younger.

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Ah gotcha.  Although Mr. Harris also sometimes gives his age at over 300 years, meaning he's remarkably well-preserved.  He's a pretty colorful guy ;)

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There is some truly sad and disturbing stuff out there.  One guy in particular stands out in the world of wonky physiques.  Greg Valentino:
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=valentino%20bodybuilder&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&q=valentino%20bodybuilder&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iv&start=0#
His biceps jiggle like breasts (not the silicone kind, the real deal kind) when he's flexing, he's got them pumpt up with so much gunk.

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Who can explain fetishes and taste? I suppose we all have a brief amount of morbid curiosity, but I don't know what it is that makes people want to collect such monstrous pictures. You see pics like that and think yikes. I guess though it is better than kiddie porn. I am glad that I don't have many patients with steroid related heart disease. I pity the next generation of cardiac specialists.

This rollout at DAZ seems to have much less extra content available for the figure. And I don't think Freak 4 is as polished looking a figure as Freak 3. I have F4 and some stuff for it in my cart, but I haven't seen anything that makes me want to push the buy button. I may just clear it out and download the PS free Freak 4 base figure, and wait.

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Regarding Freak 4, I have read about scaling problems when this character is used in Poser versus Daz Studio. These posts don't actually say what the scaling problems are. Can anyone here elaborate?

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This Greg Valentino guy is a wackjob, he´s lucky to still be alive.
I recently read an article about freak shows in the early 20th century when there was no reality-tv or internet to satisfy the morbid curiosity of the people. The so called freaks used to travel from town to town and sell postcards of themselves to make some money. The article is in german and can be found here: http://einestages.spiegel.de/static/topicalbumbackground/4755/freakshow_um_1900.html .
I bought the freak 4 pro bundke mostly because of the skintextures, clothing and hair that can also be used on a "normal" looking m4 or h4. The first test renders of the skin textures look quite good so I don´t regret buying it yet.

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Apparently Freak 4's own clothes don't fit him in Poser when the Freak scale is on. Even magnets won't help. The temporary solution so far is to parent the clothes and pose them same way as the figure. Which is what we had to do with M4 clothes when testing Freak 4, btw, since we (most of us anyway) didn't get any Freak 4 outfits to test with him.

Willing to bet this is caused by the "orientation flipping" rigging bug.

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Thank you Byrdie for your reply. When you say pose them the same as F4 do you mean apply the body morph to the clothing in addition to the M4/F4 figure?

Don't know about that, haven't tried but it might help if the clothes has the morphs you are using.
What you do is the same as for the Apollo scale morphs, don't conform the clothes at all. Parent them and apply your pose to both Freak and his clothes. You may need to use the trans dials to position things more accurately.

Why didn't SM finally fix this known bug (scaling/confroming) that's been with Poser for so many iterations? Especially since it was the first real attempt to rewritting/updating the code? I've read so many reports from vendors in regards to the scaling issue.

I use scaled figures all of the time, and with some outfits/characters I have no real issues, but most clothing and or pose has to be tweaked to fix problem areas, and some combinations are just horrendous.

But it is Smith Micro's problem to deal with, since they now own Poser. Perhaps this issue will finally be resolved. Smith Micro has down a fantastic job so far with actually upgrading Poser with Poser 8, implementing new features and a fresh GUI, and seems intent to actually listening to suggestions from the software users.

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Actually, Scaling in clothing does workj properly, if you rig it and set it up for a figure designed with scaling in mind.

Lyrra just got done working on something for Luthbel's werewolf, supporting the scaling I put into nightwolf plus.

She just used my cr2 as a base for the clothing, and then did the adjustment morphs needed for the ERC.

Daz chose to use a diffferent scaling system, because DS supports it. Doing additional work to support Poser's scaling as well was probably too much additional developement work, not only for them, but also for content developers for freak 4.

DS does not support propagating scaling correctly, and poser does not support the new system Daz chose to use.

Thats why all my PLUS sets work fine in poser, but DS users need to manually fiddle around with things to do the scaling.

I've tried to get Daz to support poser's propagating scaling for 4 years now, but it has always been a low priority.

Freak 4's scaling works in poser, but you need to fiddle around with him to get things done properly.. just like poser items in DS that use propagating scaling also need additional fiddlign around to do the same thing they do in poser.

Its just one of the ways both applications are developing differently from each other.

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

That is a true story, even with M4 many of the scaling functions you would use in Poser are not set up at all. I never knew D/S used a different type of scaling but that explains alot. Setting up the scaling for Poser is alot of work and if D/S does not use it, I can see why they didn't bother.

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It doesn't make marketing sense to support two different scaling options in content, but I'd have preferred they just fixed the ds support of propagating scaling, rather then create a workaround system instead.

Course I also have self interest, because then all my PLUS expansions would then work 100% in DS as well as Poser.. LOL!

Its just half a dozen of one and 6 of the other, but I'm more for compatibility whenever possible.

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

"but I'm more for compatibility whenever possible"

The consumer (including content providers) should be the first consideration.

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Just FWIW:

I dont find Freak 4 very "freakish", at least in the basic package. He's not that different from some of the guys at my gym (and this isnt a LA, steroid-infused gym by any stretch): he just looks like someone who started out as a powerlifter and then later on started sculpting things a bit.

But the steroid behemoths that you find on most of the serious body-building mags? Sorry, if I want to go to bed with a rock pile, I'll bring in some rocks from the parking lot. I know there are people into this kind of look, both as creator and observer, but then again there are people who get off on stomping on balloons, so go figure... :)

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Gareee - > Quote - Actually, Scaling in clothing does work properly, if you rig it and set it up for a figure designed with scaling in mind.

Lyrra just got done working on something for Luthbel's werewolf, supporting the scaling I put into nightwolf plus.

She just used my cr2 as a base for the clothing, and then did the adjustment morphs needed for the ERC.
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Freak 4's scaling works in poser, but you need to fiddle around with him to get things done properly.. just like poser items in DS that use propagating scaling also need additional fiddlign around to do the same thing they do in poser.

Is this fiddling possible by the end user of the figure/clothing? If so, is there a description of what to do anywhere? Thanks.

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Yeah but sometimes you need to unhide scaling dials n such.. it can be a bit of learning work if you are new.

Its been mentioned sevaral times over in the various freak 4 threads already.

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

I really like this version of the Freak; it is now more possible to make him a plausible big man.  Rather than dialing M4 up, you can dial the Freak down now and have realistic sized hands and feet.  The Freak 3 has always been my favorite model for such purposes, but the hands and feet ruined the effect I was trying to get and ruined a lot of my renders.

I really do hope that D/S does not develop a complete incompatibility with Poser in the future.  It would be terrible if we could only buy content for Poser at non Daz vendors.  Apollo is the only outside human male figure that I think is worth having.  Have you seen the new male figure for Poser 8?  Just when I thought they couldn't get any worse, they certainly have.  I wasn't too thrilled with the Poser 7 male, but the Poser 8 one is really homely.  I don't know where things went wrong, but after the Poser 5 Don, the native poser people have certainly gone down hill.  The G2s with their twig like wrists and shoulder issues never reached their full potential.

I have had a lot of issues with conforming clothes in Poser over the years; I don't have the new Daz Studio--does it handle conforming clothing better than in the past?