Crash Crash Crash Crash Crash. In all things, Crash.

Yet, when I can squeeze out a test render, it's amazing. So amazing, I can't bring myself to go back to Poser 7.

The solution? Don't Play.

Too frustrating; too much time lost.

Thanks, Poser 8!

I feel you. My Poser 8 crashes ALL the time. Doing anything, refreshing a library, applying a pose, looking at the screen cross eyed, KABOOM. And my pc is way more than adequate to run it. I hope they get it fixed soon, it's very frustrating :-)

-Sarah

Sigh, yes, it certainly is. I feel a long poser hiatus coming on :(

This shouldn't be a problem, as my creativity has been on Hiatus since Poser 5!

The past few weeks I have really been wondering why they keep beating the dead horse called poser. When I first came upon it, it was my introduction to 3D and I was quite excited, but that has really gone the complete other way now as I see how much of my life poser has wasted with slow render times, crashes, bugs, and the like.

Does anyone really test this stuff before release? It really does not seem like it. When I can render in 1/16th the time (or even complete a render for that matter) in 3ds max using GI and Final gather there is really something wrong. True, Max is in another category of program, and is obviously engineered to another level, but the way I see it a more consumer based program should be lighter on resources than a pro level program. Poser has eaten a lot of my life, and more often than not in an unproductive and frustrating way, why do they keep making this program, to torment us?

IDL- something I think all poser users have been chomping at the bit for- was this even tested? For such a big feature it really seems almost an afterthought, they had to know that is what we were all waiting for. On one hand I have had a couple of renders, though small, that I did using IDL that did look pretty good, it seems not even worth using because of the artifacts and the memory leaks or whatever makes it tick, or should I say untick- I am not an expert in programming, but there is something very wrong with this aspect of firefly.

The attraction for me and poser is the fairly priced readily available content, but when the program used to directly open and render that content is frankly junk it does not seem worth it anymore. I have been learning Max, and it really seems like it would be faster with all of the poser bugs to just use max and fix all the materials, though that is a pain too, but I think a lesser one when you factor in the poser life waste. I know Max and Poser are on completely different levels, but I guess thats my 10 cents. I am kind of speechless that this was put out before further development and refinement.

So, I ordered an new quad core laptop with more memory, which should help some, but whatever poser is junky and I am realizing it more than ever now.

Will they fix things somewhat with a service release, probably, but this is a horrible initial program release.

Quote - but this is a horrible initial program release.

You should've seen the forums upon the release of Poser 5. It worked well for me; I can't say the same for others.

Well said. I don't mean to bash, just air my frustrations, but there are so many it just sounds like bashing at this point. The funny thing is, this program must've worked well for a bunch of people...how is this possible?

Quote - When I can render in 1/16th the time (or even complete a render for that matter) in 3ds max using GI and Final gather there is really something wrong.

Sure there is - the price tag (1/27th of 3ds Max). I bet if Smith Micro's Poser team had an operating budget in line with Autodesk's you'd see a vastly more advanced app. You'd pay for it too.

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Quote - funny thing is, this program must've worked well for a bunch of people...how is this possible?

TBH a lot of people don't push it very hard. No comment on the testing process, I'm just talking about what you've seen in the forum so far.

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I agree with William, it's a miracle when i can achieve a complete scene without crashing ! It seem we're back to poser 6 ...

May be SM would have release a big SR4 for poser 7 instead an immature poser 8 ...

129 $ in the trash ...

(BIG FRUSTRATION)

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Yep! I'm currently rendering an 801 frame animation in Poser 6 because Poser 8 was leaking memory like a sieve and kept crashing! First at 75 frames then at 390! The size of memory it was consuming at those frames was more than my system could take and yet Poser 6 is still chugging along find at just under half a gig of system memory for the same animation! Slow? Hell yes! But it's not crashing! Come on SR1!!!

So what have the people experiencing a lot of crashing tried doing to diagnose the cause of the problem ?

The simplest thing is to switch to SReeD preview to see if that helps, if it does you need to adjust some of the OpenGL preview settings, adjust graphics driver settings, update your graphics drivers or some combination of these.

If you can't stabilise P8 after that, put in a problem report to SM.

ScreeD :-)
I use ScreeD a lot, mainly because it speeds up the display. I use an old Nvidia card that is rock solid in Open GL, but slow.
With P8 I had to make sure the program opens in OpenGL by setting Poser.ini to read-only.
For me, if the program launches in ScreeD, it will freeze if I select a 3 or 4 port view.
If it launches in OpenGL, I can switch to ScreeD and it will work normally.
Gone back to Poser Pro for now, I do miss morphing across body parts, but not enough to put up with losing 15 minutes worth of work here, a half hour there, etc.

The most recent exemple ... I let poser in the background, no render just the pose room, i'm burning a dvd when a popup wake me saying a poser error, but i didnt use poser, it sleep in the background !!! Even not working it crash ... Mamamia ...

Sure is there most important think than the library ui to resolve !

The world is very strange ...

To answer to nruddock, sreed or opengl it's a big lag ( nvidia 9500 gt, drivers 190.62 )

Where is poser 4 lollllllllllllllllllllllll ?

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[quote... it sleep in the background !!!Even though you can't see it, the new library part of the GUI is constantly checking if anything has changed.

When burning DVDs etc. its always been a good idea to shutdown anything you're not using.
You might want to review everything else that's running in the background to be sure you do need it.

Have you tried adjusting any of the driver settings ?
Specifically, set "Theaded Optimization" to Off, and select "Allow Application to choose".

Quote - So what have the people experiencing a lot of crashing tried doing to diagnose the cause of the problem ?

The simplest thing is to switch to SReeD preview to see if that helps, if it does you need to adjust some of the OpenGL preview settings, adjust graphics driver settings, update your graphics drivers or some combination of these.

If you can't stabilise P8 after that, put in a problem report to SM.

No offense Nancy, but I'm not paid to send in bug reports. I am using SReeD and threaded optimisation is off and I have the latest video drivers for my card. The ship, she still leaks. When al else fails me, Poser 6 is still my tried and true friend when it comes to making long animation renders.

Well.. none of us are *paid to send in bug reports" - but if we just bitch about the bugs here.. how on earth will the be solved?

There are issues in Poser 8 that makes me wonder if they had any international testers.. but at the same time I know that Stewer is from Germany, so.. Still.. WHY the comma doesn't work as a decimal point is at the moment a major PITA, I'm always using the numerical keyboard for entering numbers and now I have to use the bloody puctuation mark, which is NOT on the numerical keyboard... (at least not here.. Dunno about the 'Merkan setups?)

And of course the render engine should have been fixed from the release. It's great that it's a "whole new expirience" after SR1, but really.. it should have been so from the start.

Still, I'm one of the lucky people who has so far had very little problems with Poser 8. I found a new bug last night and reported it. but I DO have all the previous versions until it's fixed. And 99.5% of everything works just fine here.

Yes, I've had Poser crash, but no more than any other program I have.

But I keep my drivers updated, and I don't have Norton or any other virus programs to mess up things either.

As far as I know it's still not a month since Poser 8 was released. So if you guys hate it so, then GET A REFUND!

I don't want a refund, I want it to work at least as good as Poser 7 but with neat new features, you see?

Quote - > Quote - When I can render in 1/16th the time (or even complete a render for that matter) in 3ds max using GI and Final gather there is really something wrong.

Sure there is - the price tag (1/27th of 3ds Max). I bet if Smith Micro's Poser team had an operating budget in line with Autodesk's you'd see a vastly more advanced app. You'd pay for it too.

I am fully aware of this, you missed my point- as I stated, yes Max has a huge budget, and obviously better engineers, but really read it again- the way I look at it a consumer app should be less resource intensive than a pro app and that is a fact that you can't argue- consumers more often than not have less of a machine than pros so by default the consumer app should be lighter on resources.

Quote - I don't want a refund, I want it to work at least as good as Poser 7 but with neat new features, you see?

Yes. And I feel your pain.

All I'm saying is there is SOMETHING which isn't necessarily Poser's fault that makes it unstable on some computers. Otherwise we would all have the same problems. And we don't.

When Video drivers have been checked and updated and when people are sure they are not running Norton, and they do have administrator rights and aren't blocking Poser from communicating with itself - and there's still a problem, THEN it is probably a bug. But it's not really Poser's fault if someone (not you of course) tries to run this on a 486 with an onboard vga video card... (OK this is of course exaggerated but you get the point I hope? :) )

otherworldpro:

In other words, you're saying a consumer app should not have GI.

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Well, I for one can not really complain.

installed it in Windows XP Home, had some minor things, but nothing drastic.

Then I went to Windows 7 RC1, installed, and worked.

Only thnings i'v had:

Faceroom keeps asking for the foto again, when everything is done, and you "apply to".
Had one complete crash, using the Morph tool. But, neither I not SM can reproduce it.

Major problem seems to be in the material room, when trying older PZ3's if not all textures are correctly transferred from a previous version to P8.

So far I submitted about 10 tickets,
2 for crashes, and 8 for improvements.

So far, the best solutions seem.
Update video drivers.
Reboot afeter first install.
Be sure all textures are in their correct folders.

2 things that could be improved upon:

release before completely understanding all the details of the IDL. Discussions we see here
i would use a little more "very active" beta testers, just to be on the safe side, and understand the IDL completely.

2 briljant things.

great models with a lot of morphs
fantastic to include the very usable Low Res versions.

A fault, that it is so hard to copy morphs from the low to the hig res versions.(Still do not know how it can be done even if the poly count is correct, and poser imports the morph without a glitch.

All in all, a very good base, and with a well tested SR1, a welcome improvement.

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I feel your pain... I have been using poser since Poser 5, but lately, not so much. I think the big thing that turned me off in poser (besides having the most non-intuitive interface in history), was the old library structure and system. It took forever to find anything. Then Advanced Library for Poser came out and along with the remote procedure call python script, made it usable again by bypassing the Poser library. But it still lacked an easy to use interfacew. Now, before I started using Poser, I worked in a program called Ray Dream Studio. It had a great interface and was extremely powerful for it's day, and especially at it's price. Ray Dream eventually turned into Carrara studio, then eventually Daz Carrara 7 Pro. Now, I can do just about everything I could do in Poser, in Carrara. It was much easier to use, and it had functionality that Poser simply did not.Now I keep Poser 7 around for those just in case scenarios...

I was thinking of purchasing Poser 8 to see if it has improved at all, but after reading some of the posts regarding stability and other issues with it, I am giving it a second thought. I really don't know if I can justify the expense on a new package that may or may not work correctly, when I have an application which I know DOES work correctly.

I think I will wait and see if it improves with the inevitable first patch. Until then, I will just use Carrara and Poser 7. I really thought Smith Micro would fix the numerous problems in Poser with Poser 8, btu it seems that once again, they have added new toys, without fixing the old ones which were broken.

Quote - The past few weeks I have really been wondering why they keep beating the dead horse called poser. When I first came upon it, it was my introduction to 3D and I was quite excited, but that has really gone the complete other way now as I see how much of my life poser has wasted with slow render times, crashes, bugs, and the like.

Does anyone really test this stuff before release? It really does not seem like it. When I can render in 1/16th the time (or even complete a render for that matter) in 3ds max using GI and Final gather there is really something wrong. True, Max is in another category of program, and is obviously engineered to another level, but the way I see it a more consumer based program should be lighter on resources than a pro level program. Poser has eaten a lot of my life, and more often than not in an unproductive and frustrating way, why do they keep making this program, to torment us?

IDL- something I think all poser users have been chomping at the bit for- was this even tested? For such a big feature it really seems almost an afterthought, they had to know that is what we were all waiting for. On one hand I have had a couple of renders, though small, that I did using IDL that did look pretty good, it seems not even worth using because of the artifacts and the memory leaks or whatever makes it tick, or should I say untick- I am not an expert in programming, but there is something very wrong with this aspect of firefly.

The attraction for me and poser is the fairly priced readily available content, but when the program used to directly open and render that content is frankly junk it does not seem worth it anymore. I have been learning Max, and it really seems like it would be faster with all of the poser bugs to just use max and fix all the materials, though that is a pain too, but I think a lesser one when you factor in the poser life waste. I know Max and Poser are on completely different levels, but I guess thats my 10 cents. I am kind of speechless that this was put out before further development and refinement.

So, I ordered an new quad core laptop with more memory, which should help some, but whatever poser is junky and I am realizing it more than ever now.

Will they fix things somewhat with a service release, probably, but this is a horrible initial program release.

I feel left out-my problems have been minimal. I'm using XP Pro with IE6 on a core Duo laptop with 2GB, and the only real difficulty I've had thus far was when I doing a GI render with a transmapped hair, and I forgot to turn off shadows for the hair. I though it had hung, but it eventually finished rendering.

I hope you get your setup straightened out, Bloody Bill.

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My problems have been minimal also.

I kinda wish they weren't so that I could help squash more bugs. It was tested before release and I really don't think that anyone in the testing cycle was wishing that it would fail - everyone there is volunteering to try to make sure it all works properly.

Specific bugs can be hard to find and it depends on how someone is using the program - I'm not particularly adept in doing animations so I'm not using that feature often and not going to find any bugs with a 200 frame animation.

I am, however, trying to do things that I don't normally just to see if I can find errors.

General, basic problems are things that aren't happening here. I haven't had a single flex library error. Just about every python script I run that I used in Poser 7 is working. I haven't had any serious render issues. I have had high IDL calculation times but it's probably when I didn't really know what settings to use and I pushed it with lots of transparencies (like hair) - normally it's rather quick for what it's doing.

Stuff like Poser imploding... I'm not getting that.

As others have said, things to check for (windows):

Updated graphics drivers.
Make sure flash is installed.
Make sure you have the Microsoft Visual C++ Runtimes 2008 version. You want x86 and if you are on 64 bit also install x64 (not sure if installing both matters but I did).
Programs running in the background. Though I do have several odd things running (Filebox Extender, Winroll, Taskbar Shuffle, etc) with no issues.

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I'm staying away from Poser 8. Poser 7 is FINALLY working with minimal crashes since I
installed SR3. I'm not going through THAT mess again with a new version. Between P7 and
DS3, I can generally do what I need, and with Vue6Pro and Modo 4, I don't really need anything
else, even if my pocketbook could afford it. :) But P7 was so bad with crashing on everything I
tried to do, that I gave up, until SR3 was released.

Poser 8 seems to be going the same way. Basically, I sometimes think that WE are their beta
testers, and I quit.

Eric

Well for me, Poser 8 has been the best thing since sliced bread. Hope you all get your problems fixed!

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I'm not crashing with P8 Mac on an 8-core Mac Pro... except sometimes when I'm foolish enough to step outside Poser to check my email or something. Then it might crash. Poser does not like you to be unfaithful and look at other women when you're with her! This is true with P7 Mac as well.

But no crashes while rendering or working within the program. Maybe the PC version is more buggy that way, due to wonky video drivers and whatnot.

My frustrations with P8 have to do with the interface and the library. I love how all the panels can be rearranged and docked to have a more efficient workspace. But the price of that is that everything is now too damn small. The text, the buttons, the icons, everything has been shrunk to create more screen real estate for the main preview and render windows.

The flaw with the tiny library icons has been well discussed and will be addressed, though I wish that patch would come out soon. But also, the scroll bar in the library is so narrow has to be difficult to grasp with the mouse. Which is a problem in a library that forces you to do so much manual scrolling. AND the library does not see everything in a folder. Refreshing changes how many items can be seen, but in large folders you still don't get everything. The number of items revealed on each refresh seems to be random.

These issues force me to most of my work in P7, switching to P8 for its very quick renders on the final hi-res product. I don't like that because the windows get resized and there are "error" messages about unexpected version numbers, but with its out-of-the-gate flaws P8 really leaves me no choice.

Quote - As far as I know it's still not a month since Poser 8 was released. So if you guys hate it so, then GET A REFUND!

TG, did I say I hated it? No I said it has a probelm with memory leaks in long animations. It should not be creeping up to eat the entirety of my system memory to render an animation. Poser is is currently rendering that 801 frame animation and hasn't gone over 600,000K of ram! Poser 8? Well it crept up to over 2 gigs and then crapped out.

As for me reporting anything? I sincerely doubt that they care to hear from me. I'll just wait for SR1 and hope it's fixed. If not SR1, then SR2. Other than the problem with memory leaks in long animations I don't have any other problems with P8 for now.

BB, I am totally for GI, read the thread- all poser users have been waiting for GI, that is the biggest feature, but I think Greywolf Starkiller said it best:

Quote -

Basically, I sometimes think that WE are their beta
testers, and I quit.

" LostinSpaceman" ,
sure you should make a ticket for it.
With the most details you can put into it.
How will they ever fix it?

Tickets are the fuel to improve.
No fuel, no drive ! !

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No you never said you hated it. It's just the general ..er.. vibe.. in these threads. It wasn't aimed at anyone in particular.. I just know that if I had bought a program and was unable to use it, I would demand a refund instead of lamenting over how much money I'd poured down the drain.

I agree there is a memory leak present in Poser 8 (as in any previous version btw) - I've seen it myself. And if you just let Poser sit and check the task manager it's slowly eating up more and more memory...

That said.. the animation you're doing.. are you rendering that as separate files or as a movie? I've always rendered to separate files.. seems to work best (unless we're talking a 60 frame microscopic thing, and even then I prefer to have it as separate frames)

And of course SM will listen to you. As much as to anyone else. They're not looking at your name to see if it's someone they like. They're looking at the serial number to see that it's a paying customer. :)

Quote - BB, I am totally for GI, read the thread- all poser users have been waiting for GI, that is the biggest feature...

That doesn't make any sense, if you think the consumer app should take less resources to run (which you said earlier). GI is an extremely compute-intensive feature.

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As I'm working on different PC's and Laptops I installed P 8 on an external HD. No probs with crashes until now and I use it on Systems from P4 with 512 MB up to Dual Core with 4 GB. The minor things I have like the rotate tool as default tool is a mess, I reported to SM.

With P7 I had more probs without SR1.

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Quote - > Quote - BB, I am totally for GI, read the thread- all poser users have been waiting for GI, that is the biggest feature...

That doesn't make any sense, if you think the consumer app should take less resources to run (which you said earlier). GI is an extremely compute-intensive feature.

Yeah, that's what prompted my comment. GI introduces more CPU use than any other Poser rendering feature.

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I've had problems, but they were due to a major conflict between my firewall and Poser 8. Once that was sorted out, P8 ran well, very well. Except for the library, it's still giving me problems, but I've just switched it off and use an external one, eXtended Library, that one works great.

But.... I must confess I do not have the latests drivers and updates installed at all. My WindowsXP isn't up to date at all, my gfx card drivers aren't the most recent ones either. Why not? Simply because they do work well. My machine runs great and why risk problems by updating. I'm pretty sure that most people experiencing problems with P8 have everything nice and neatly up to date, since that's the first advice given and still P8 is a mess for them. Why fix something that isn't broken?

I'm sure that the Poser testing team is doing their best, but as with every testing team they're limited in what they can do. I'm still convinced that the testing team doesn't reflect the community at all, nor do they really push a new release as much as should be done. I don't blame them for that, it's almost impossible with such a differce community of users.

For those of you with numerous crashes, as I have had, report them to the tech support and they will help you to indentify what is causing the problems. It's most likely a conflcit between Poser and some other application and then it can be solved. If you don't report it, no one can fix it either. But.... don't buy into every advice they give you, some they gave me were a bit off the wall and I didn't follow those leads since it wasn't part of the problem at all. In the end the main problem was solved due to me actively working together with them. I quickly identified that the problem was either the firewall or the anti-virus and we focussed on that, the problem was solved in no time.

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Quote - The minor things I have like the rotate tool as default tool is a mess, I reported to SM.

With P7 I had more probs without SR1.

Yu can set the preferred tool in your preferences. Select the translate tool and click "save state (or whatever it's called in the preferences where you chose between launch to preferred state and launch to factory state :) (I'm rendering now so I can't just check)

Same as getting rid of Andy - although he's cute. I prefer to start with a blank scene.

Quote - No you never said you hated it. It's just the general ..er.. vibe.. in these threads. It wasn't aimed at anyone in particular.. I just know that if I had bought a program and was unable to use it, I would demand a refund instead of lamenting over how much money I'd poured down the drain.

I agree there is a memory leak present in Poser 8 (as in any previous version btw) - I've seen it myself. And if you just let Poser sit and check the task manager it's slowly eating up more and more memory...

That said.. the animation you're doing.. are you rendering that as separate files or as a movie? I've always rendered to separate files.. seems to work best (unless we're talking a 60 frame microscopic thing, and even then I prefer to have it as separate frames)

And of course SM will listen to you. As much as to anyone else. They're not looking at your name to see if it's someone they like. They're looking at the serial number to see that it's a paying customer. :)

Well except for this issue, I LOVE the new library and haven't had any of the issues with it that others have had. I haven't yet played with the new figures. Did a few play renders of GI, some simple some really complex. It's ok for still but there's just no way I'd try to make an animation in Poser 8 with IL turned on. At least not at this stage. I still love me my Poser 6, even though I have 7, 8 and Pro. It is my animation monster. It finished 401 (I forgot to set the end frame to 801, DOH!) of 801 frames and took about 3 times as long as Poser 8 did for the 390 frames it did before it chokes, but it did it without ever going over 1 gig of RAM.

For the most part, I love the new P8. I just hope they can stop up the leaks.

Has there been any word on the release date for P8 SR1? Someone somewhere said it has been released already, but I can't find it at Smith Micro's site.

Edit: never mind, stumbled upon the answer immediately after posting :-] Apparently it's not out yet, maybe this month.

I finally got Poser 8 and installed it.
Just a few problems:
Search through folders causes program to crash.
Ocasionally runs out of memory when going through folders.
parameter dials lock up on figure. (only occured once so far)
Item in folder didnt load onto screen from library.
Have updated the video card and flash player.
Have got the latest available update through SM
Still using it though.

Well, I've installed the newest nvidia drivers but haven't gotten into Poser yet. I will fire it up tonight and see what's doin'

getting out of memory mesages now. think someone addressed that
earlier.

Quote - Well.. none of us are *paid to send in bug reports" - but if we just bitch about the bugs here.. how on earth will the be solved?

There are issues in Poser 8 that makes me wonder if they had any international testers.. but at the same time I know that Stewer is from Germany, so.. Still.. WHY the comma doesn't work as a decimal point is at the moment a major PITA, I'm always using the numerical keyboard for entering numbers and now I have to use the bloody puctuation mark, which is NOT on the numerical keyboard... (at least not here.. Dunno about the 'Merkan setups?)

And of course the render engine should have been fixed from the release. It's great that it's a "whole new expirience" after SR1, but really.. it should have been so from the start.

Still, I'm one of the lucky people who has so far had very little problems with Poser 8. I found a new bug last night and reported it. but I DO have all the previous versions until it's fixed. And 99.5% of everything works just fine here.

Yes, I've had Poser crash, but no more than any other program I have.

But I keep my drivers updated, and I don't have Norton or any other virus programs to mess up things either.

As far as I know it's still not a month since Poser 8 was released. So if you guys hate it so, then GET A REFUND!

Seriously, you realy think cause you've been a bug repport you dont find it in the sr release ? Please have the feet on ground !!!

If i send to SM " your engine is poor make a new" in the large line sure, you really think tomorrow we have the vray render in poser ? alway in the largest line ...

Sending bug repport is the only way to have a bad SR, why ? Too many bugs ... Is there a fact, poser 8 wasnt tested before selling ...

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Regarding my post above and the library not showing all items in a folder, that appears to be an incompatibility with Mac OS 10.6 Snow Leopard. The behavior in P8 doesn't exist in OS 10.5.

Reported to SM, but with all the bugs to address on the PC side I am not hopeful of a quick fix for a Mac-only issue.

*I've had problems, but they were due to a major conflict between my firewall and Poser 8. Once that was sorted out, P8 ran well, very well. Except for the library, it's still giving me problems, but I've just switched it off and use an external one, eXtended Library, that one works great. *

I'm having lot's of problems with my firewall and other programs. Out of curiosity, what whoud be a good firewall/antivirus program that doesn't mess with Poser?

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> Quote - *I've had problems, but they were due to a major conflict between my firewall and Poser 8. Once that was sorted out, P8 ran well, very well. Except for the library, it's still giving me problems, but I've just switched it off and use an external one, eXtended Library, that one works great. * > > > I'm having lot's of problems with my firewall and other programs. Out of curiosity, what whoud be a good firewall/antivirus program that doesn't mess with Poser?

My vote goes to Comodo. There is a comodo firewall-only but if you need the whole shebang (antivirus, malware, firewall), there's also comodo internet security.

Also supports 64-bit OS, PC.

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Thanks. I'm going to give it a try.

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Quote - > Quote - The minor things I have like the rotate tool as default tool is a mess, I reported to SM.

With P7 I had more probs without SR1.

Yu can set the preferred tool in your preferences. Select the translate tool and click "save state (or whatever it's called in the preferences where you chose between launch to preferred state and launch to factory state :) (I'm rendering now so I can't just check)

Same as getting rid of Andy - although he's cute. I prefer to start with a blank scene.

Trekkie, this was of course the first thing I tried. Doesn't work. Goes back to the default rotate tool on next launch. This apparently is not one of things saved when you set a new preferred state.

You know, I have Vue Infinite. Great rendering program, Decent animation.

I can't count the number of times it has crashed on me. And yet, the number of people screaming about how simply awful it is seems minimal compared to the massive amount of pure, unbridled angst I keep seeing with Poser.

Yep. And it tends to be the same people with each and every release. For both apps. You'd think they would get tired of the histrionics and move on to other things......

Well I am having a wonderful time with P8. A few hiccups to start with but all smooth sailing now.

All the whailing seemed strange to me, I got curious and installed P8 onto all three of my computers, all different setups, and P8 works fine on all of them. ( I know I cant keep it on all three just testing.) Had a couple of crashes on the gateway but no more than photoshop does on a regular basis.

hmmm............

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Quote - > Quote - > Quote - The minor things I have like the rotate tool as default tool is a mess, I reported to SM.

With P7 I had more probs without SR1.

Yu can set the preferred tool in your preferences. Select the translate tool and click "save state (or whatever it's called in the preferences where you chose between launch to preferred state and launch to factory state :) (I'm rendering now so I can't just check)

Same as getting rid of Andy - although he's cute. I prefer to start with a blank scene.

Trekkie, this was of course the first thing I tried. Doesn't work. Goes back to the default rotate tool on next launch. This apparently is not one of things saved when you set a new preferred state.

Sorry. I must admit I hadn't actually tried it myself. And yes, it annoys me, too that it's the rotate tool that is the default. But I'm pretty sure it was in Poser 7 as well and I managed to change it to the Translate tool there, so perhaps it's just something that isn't properly written into the .ini (then again.. apparently I have no Poser.ini at all.. at least I can't find it, but that has a thread of its own L)

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Seriously, you realy think cause you've been a bug repport you dont find it in the sr release ? Please have the feet on ground !!!

If i send to SM " your engine is poor make a new" in the large line sure, you really think tomorrow we have the vray render in poser ? alway in the largest line ...

Sending bug repport is the only way to have a bad SR, why ? Too many bugs ... Is there a fact, poser 8 wasnt tested before selling ...

Sorry. I know it's a language barrier problem but I simply can't make heads or tails of what you're saying here.

Are you saying that we shouldn't report bugs because SM won't listen anyway and it will make the SR buggy? And are you implying that Poser 8 wasn't tested before release. Both are LIES. And stupid ones at that.

I hope I misunderstood you.

P8 is being tested all right and support is actually great. But.... I seriously doubt the testers represent the community in anyway or even push P8 the way it should be pushed. Imagine how much money SM could save if they would get more (or better) testers. Half of the issues reported here are issues that should not have been overlooked when testing. Now support has to deal with them and that costs money.

I've been testing a good number of applications over the years. To mind comes Vue, TrueSpace and a number of game engines. Once problem I've noticed that many testers do not know how to test. They just play a little with the application and state it works. I really think testers should get a short course in how to test.

Even SM has seen the problem in testing. They're opening up the Poser Pro testing program to many more users, which is a good thing.

Quote - You know, I have Vue Infinite. Great rendering program, Decent animation.

I can't count the number of times it has crashed on me. And yet, the number of people screaming about how simply awful it is seems minimal compared to the massive amount of pure, unbridled angst I keep seeing with Poser.

I returned Vue because of that, I was so fed up with it, that I stopped using it completely. E-on has a major problem.... they do not know how to fix the problems reported with Vue. When I still participated in their testing program, I was stunned to see how many of the reported issues were still there after the new version was released.

Quote - ll the whailing seemed strange to me, I got curious and installed P8 onto all three of my computers, all different setups, and P8 works fine on all of them. ( I know I cant keep it on all three just testing.) Had a couple of crashes on the gateway but no more than photoshop does on a regular basis.

That's the main reason people do not complan, their attitude is completely wrong, sorry to say so. Because photoshop crashes, Poser is allowed to do so? I've got more then enough applications (drawing related, 3d related and so on), that never crash at all. All kinds of application I won run very smoothly. I'm not going to settle for this mentality that bugs are normal. Imagine buying a tv that stops working every so often. What would I do? Return the thing and get a diiferent one that works fine. Yet with applications like Poser and Vue people put of with the sloppy programming work of the programmers. Because, according to them, it;s normal. NO..... it isn't! An application should work well and not crash every so often. But as long as people settle for sloppy applications, then nothing will change.

With Poser there is hope that it will be fine in the end. Allthough it's not guaranteed anymore. Poser 7 Pro still has bugs that aren't fixed. Vue never ever is bug free and bugs from the previous version get fixed in the next one. Poser seems to go that same route. Bugs from previous version get dealt with in P8. If that's the case then I will not upgrade anymore as I've stopped doing with Vue. I've returned Vue 6, it was a still very crash prone, even after numerous service releases. If that's the case with P8, then it's time to look elsewhere. I may do that anyway, if Poser goes the direction that is being portrayed here by some then I'm not really interested anymore. Combining the for me majority of useless features of P8 and it being unstable, is enough reason to start looking elsewhere or settle for the best release and stick to that for a long time.

Kind of like WinXP...... keep using it until MS releases something worthwhile, which may never happen.

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Sorry. I must admit I hadn't actually tried it myself. And yes, it annoys me, too that it's the rotate tool that is the default. But I'm pretty sure it was in Poser 7 as well and I managed to change it to the Translate tool there, so perhaps it's just something that isn't properly written into the .ini (then again.. apparently I have no Poser.ini at all.. at least I can't find it, but that has a thread of its own L)

That's one of those things that's been bugging me about Poser for years. I'd really prefer just a simple pointer that does nothing but selects. The only widget tool I ever use is rotate anyway, otherwise I use dials for everything else.

You were already answered where your Poser.ini is. In Vista and Windows 7 it would be in:
X:UsersUser NameAppDataRoamingPoserPoser.ini, where "X" is the name of the drive your OS is on. Probably that's C but of course it doesn't have to be.

In XP it would be in Documents and Settings, probably under
Documents and SettingsPoserPoser.ini.

Personally, I think SM should have handed out 30 day free trials to 500 people here in exchange for a report at the end of the month. This would give them free beta testers from people in the community who is a part of the consumer base. Test it by the people who "push" it. Someone who can't wait to try out the new figure, put all the clothes on it and say " Hey, why isn't this loading?" Render out a scene and say " Hey, why is my render taking 8 hours and at the end look like the edges were cut by a 2 year old"?

Right now I'm having an issue with the setup room. Did a ticket. Got the old run-a-round. Tried the setup room with P8 content only, still crashes. Maybe if 4 of the beta testers were 3d modelers and ran into the same issues, it would be fixed at the time of release.

They don't need to pay beta testers, they need to find enthusiastic testers who WANT to try every little facet of the program. You can't find bugs unless you look under the rock, not on top of it.

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You were already answered where your Poser.ini is. In Vista and Windows 7 it would be in:
X:UsersUser NameAppDataRoamingPoserPoser.ini, where "X" is the name of the drive your OS is on. Probably that's C but of course it doesn't have to be.

In XP it would be in Documents and Settings, probably under
Documents and SettingsPoserPoser.ini.

Please don't talk to me like I'm a retard. I have shown screenshots and everythng to tell that IT. IS. NOT. THERE.

Yes I know it should be, but fact is, it isn't.

A computer-wide SEARCH for it doesn't bring it forth.

If it was where it should be, I wouldn't spend more time looking for it, now would I?

And yes, it's completely illogical, but the fact remains. I have no Poser.ini related to Poser 8. On ANY drive.

There is a Poser 7 folder inside "Roaming" - but that contains my Poser 7 ini, last updated in MARCH this year. So no, it's not that Poser 8 is reading that either.

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Please don't talk to me like I'm a retard. I have shown screenshots and everythng to tell that IT. IS. NOT. THERE.

I wasn't talking to you like you're a retard, I was responding typically to a situation that makes no sense.

Have you tried deleting any "preferred state.pz3" file you might have and then opening Poser to see if it writes a new INI?

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On a long shot, under usersadmin, do you have a shortcut directory named Application Data?
If so, is there a Poser8.0?
As an aside, Vista32 here, I just did a file search for poser.ini and the P8 ini didn't show up in the search. P6, P7, and Poser Pro ini's show up, but the P8 ini doesn't.

Quote - There is a Poser 7 folder inside "Roaming" - but that contains my Poser 7 ini, last updated in MARCH this year. So no, it's not that Poser 8 is reading that either.

For me, with Windows XP 64-bit, it's under:
C:Documents and SettingspjzApplication DataPoser8.0

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For me, with Windows XP 64-bit, it's under:
C:Documents and SettingspjzApplication DataPoser8.0

Yeah I forgot how the whole XP hierarchy folder structure went.

Might also try making a blank text file and saving it as Poser.ini and seeing if Poser fills it in for you when it starts up.

There's a DefaultPoser.ini in the Poser 8Runtimeprefs folder.

There's also a Poser.dta file and a PoserReg.dta file in my C:ProgramDataPoser8.0 folder if that's any help. This is on a Vista pc.

After running a search, I also have a Poser.ini in my C:UsersmynameAppDataRoamingPoser8.0 folder too. But I also have another folder in that Poser folder with a date as part of the folder name that also has a Poser.ini file in. My Poser is installed on an external drive. It's definately a weird one if you can't find your Poser.ini Trekkie.

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - BB, I am totally for GI, read the thread- all poser users have been waiting for GI, that is the biggest feature...

That doesn't make any sense, if you think the consumer app should take less resources to run (which you said earlier). GI is an extremely compute-intensive feature.

Yeah, that's what prompted my comment. GI introduces more CPU use than any other Poser rendering feature.

Obviously GI takes more resources- all that I was saying is that I think a consumer app should not be more resource intensive than a pro app (GI/IDL included), if you think that it should then I guess poser exists in bizarro world. That is it, you really can't argue with that if you take absolutes as your statements. Yes, I am aware that absolutes are hard to come buy.

example- modus ponens (logic)

-If a consumer app is for consumers with less computing power, then it will be less resource intensive than a pro app which is for pros with more computing power.

-Poser is a consumer app.

-Therefore, Poser will run with less resources.

The thing is, you WANT rendering to use 100% of available CPU. There is no philosophical argument that makes rendering slower preferable to rendering faster, to me.

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Quote - The thing is, you WANT rendering to use 100% of available CPU. There is no philosophical argument that makes rendering slower preferable to rendering faster, to me.

Of course you want rendering to use %100 of the cpu, I am not arguing that- what you do want though is your your program to use it efficiently without memory leaks or bugs.

I never stated that I wanted a slower render, obviously we all want faster renders.

Anyway, I am done with this argument - we could go in circles forever. I suppose my logic argument is a bit flawed- instead of less resource intensive, I should have said more efficient use of resources- whatever- great discussion though, but I will not change my mind on Poser being an inefficient resource hog.

Quote - Anyway, I am done with this argument - we could go in circles forever. I suppose my logic argument is a bit flawed- instead of less resource intensive, I should have said more efficient use of resources- whatever- great discussion though, but I will not change my mind on Poser being an inefficient resource hog.

And so is D/S...... Vue is even worse..... Carrara...... Bryce...... TrueSpace..... All of the affordable 3D applications have this problem, Poser not being an exception. Compared to some of the apps out there, Poser doesn't even do that bad. Poser 8 has seen some good improvements in this area.

Any application that is so texture intensive as Poser is will eat resources as cake, that can't perhaps be avoided at all. But some are worse then others and Poser sure isn't the worse one.

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Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk

I also start to get frustrated:

Library crashes Poser almost every time I try to update within Poser.
"Cant load texture. Bad file" - message after rendering (without a problem) causes a crash.

EDIT: I think these are errors are mentioned here quite often and this should definitely have occured during beta testing as well.

I think smith micro published a hot fix to fix the crashing problem, You most likly find it on thier website under the support section.

by the way truespace is awesome and even more awsome when used with zbrush lol.

It's great for getting the basic shape you need before you take it into zbrush and really start messing around with it.

Yeah I think poser 8 should be programmed to locate all runtimes and use them from the remote locations they were installed at without importing them by making new copies of existing runtimes in the documents directory in windows which eats up a ton of more drive space because the imported runtime is actually a copie of another runtime.

so for example be great if you could install it and have a central runtime that all versions of poser can access without having to re-install old content across several runtimes and eat up drive space.

And being browser driven alot people are not seeing thier runtimes load due to being blocked by the fire wall, seems you need to configure you're fire wall to allow poser 8 access rights or turn it off, or it wont load the runtimes.

Quote - Yeah I think poser 8 should be programmed to locate all runtimes and use them from the remote locations they were installed at without importing them by making new copies of existing runtimes in the documents directory in windows which eats up a ton of more drive space because the imported runtime is actually a copie of another runtime.

Err, that's exactly, what Poser 8 does, it allows you to have your runtimes everywhere you like, even the default runtimes... If you're making copies, you're doing something wrong.

I think everyone that has a crash in poser 8 is a LIAR! I can't beleive the audacity of all of you. This software is a top notch, state of the art, masterpiece. How dare you say things like the beta testers didn't do their job, my program keeps crashing, they didnt run enough tests, I dont have anything on my screen, blah, blah, blah.

If you are having an issue with the software it must be YOUR machine and it's not SM's fault that your machine has A.D.D. and wants to leak memory. You need to potty train it not to leak.

Personally I love you SM, and never had any issues, runs like a brand new kia with 22" spinners!

Now for every person that has had p8 crashing on them do the following...........

make a list of every item in your runtime folder in a txt file. Please don't use word.
uninstall windows and reinstall, cause you know it's mircosofts fault.
Mac users.....go buy a pc, Pc users try it on a mac.
now update your graphics driver.... it doesn't matter if you just installed it, do it again cause it didn't work.
Where ever you installed P8 to on your harddrive when you were given 4 different options to do so, you made the wrong choice. Reinstall until you make the right one. If you don;t know the right one, we're not going to tell you.
If your UAC is on, turn it off. If it is off, turn it on. Cause again, it's windows fault.

If you do all of this you will be ok. If we don't hear back from you within 2 hours we will presume your issue has been fixed and close this ticket!

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