robert.sharkey opened this issue on Apr 22, 2001 ยท 19 posts
robert.sharkey posted Sun, 22 April 2001 at 11:12 AM
Anthony Appleyard posted Sun, 22 April 2001 at 12:29 PM
The breathing mask off my frogman's rebreather set might be a start for making his oxygen mask.
robert.sharkey posted Sun, 22 April 2001 at 1:03 PM
Thanks Anthony, but have first to finish the clothes, as you see he's a little naked. LOL. I wants to do a bomber-leatherjacket. Did you know, did pilots of the 50's have had breathing-masks ? SHARKEY
Kevin posted Sun, 22 April 2001 at 2:30 PM
What period? For what airplane? For flight duty or on the ground? Things changed fast betwen the 30s and the 50s. And by the time they were USAF they were not wearing those kinds of clothes when flying IIRC, that is more USAAF. A useful source for modeling military guys are the line of books by Osprey. Something like their "Modeling WWII Figures" might help or have links to sources. Also look at something like "U.S. Military Combat Aircrew Individual Survival Equipment : Ww II to Present, a Reference Guide for the Collector" "A detailed study of United States Air Force, Army, Army Air Force, Navy, and Marine Corps aircrew survival equipment. Items covered are: survival vests, leggings, and chaps, life preservers, survival (ejection) seat and back pad kits, personal survival kits and first aid kits, etc. Tag and label information is provided for each item., over 170 b/w photographs, drawings, 8 1/2" x 11" A large library would be helpful, particuarly a university library.
whisper posted Sun, 22 April 2001 at 2:35 PM
Sharkey, I'm not sure if this site will have what you need, but it's to the USAF museum. I've also listed the main web site to the four major U.S. military branches for you. USAF museum: www.wpafb.af.mil/museum Air Force main site: www.af.mil Navy: www.navy.mil Marine Corps: www.usmc.mil Army: www.army.mil I know the navy site has a pdf on uniform regulations on their site. I found it through the site map. I didn't find one on the Air Force site, but I really didn't look that hard. Maybe you'll have more luck.
angola posted Sun, 22 April 2001 at 3:17 PM
I've been trying to piece together a decent WWII GI. Cacheforce have one that has a shirt that would go nicely with the rest of the pilots uniform. It costs $9 for the figure, which kinda comes out expensive for the shirt. I also have the coolest pair of black combat boots on the HD at work. I've only seen a render but they were smart as hell. I've got a 3ds airforce medal ribbon badge thing here with a good texture that comes from here (ken@chemicalstudios.com http://www.chemicalstudios.com) and there are lots of good textures on the stuff at http://www.noxgeo.com/ww3d/ but mostly German. If you have any problems with these sites I can mail some stuff off to you, but given some of the messages lately I don't know if people are going to be pleased at saving the bandwith or mad at losing the advertiing revenue!!! Nuts! nicku@club-internet.fr
Fox-Mulder posted Sun, 22 April 2001 at 6:11 PM
Attached Link: http://www.memphisbelle.com/panel.jpg
Hi Robert- You appear to be well started on a WW-2 Era pilot uniform. I will try to send you an email with a very accurate uniform of pilot and crewmen. Meanwhile, here are some other good historically accurate links... FOXFox-Mulder posted Sun, 22 April 2001 at 6:17 PM
Attached Link: http://www.garciaaviation.com/insignia.html
If you scroll half-way down on this link from Garcia Aviation you can get a very good, accurate "AAF Officer's Cap Badge". You can use this for a maybe a bump-map too... Here's a link to more "Memphis Belle" photos. This is a fully restored B-17 that a pilot like you are creating would have flown... http://www.memphisbelle.com/bellegallery.htmlFox-Mulder posted Sun, 22 April 2001 at 6:24 PM
Attached Link: http://www.plymouthshopping.co.uk/mall/eastmanleather/products/topsellers-1.stm
There are a number to choose from. The regular wear and lower altitude pilots usually wore the reddish-brown jackets made from goat or horsehide... High-Altitude Pilots and Crew wore the "USAAF Type B-3, Eastman, Seal Brown Horsehide Winter" jackets made with a sheepskin liner...Fox-Mulder posted Sun, 22 April 2001 at 6:31 PM
Attached Link: http://www.plymouthshopping.co.uk/mall/eastmanleather/topic/topic-9603-1.stm
Scroll down this page to: "USAAF Rough Wear Type B-5, Contract 17756" - a typical fighter pilot helmet for P-47, P-51 pilots for high altitude and cold weather... Also on this page are "USAAF Type B-2, Eastman" and "USAAF Rough Wear Type B-2, Contract 17756" hats which were worn mostly by enlisted-only crewmen on bombers, but some fighter pilots also wore them... American pilots also preferred to trade cigarettes and whiskey for British RAF gloves and goggles, as they were seen as having better quality than the U.S. mass-production issue...Fox-Mulder posted Sun, 22 April 2001 at 6:35 PM
Attached Link: http://www.heavybombers.com/aircraft.html
The B-24, B-17 and B-29 were the mostly widely used bombers of the U.S. Army Air Force. There are some great interior photos here of restored aircraft that have been put on display...Fox-Mulder posted Sun, 22 April 2001 at 6:43 PM
Attached Link: http://www.garciaaviation.com/flyingg.html
The "Authentic Pilot 50 Mission AAC Crush Cap" shown here was typical of what the hats looked like. Unlike the officer hats worn by other Army branches which had re-inforced liners to make them look perfect- the USAAF pilots had a "crush cap" version because they usually wore headsets over the hat... This was the 1940's version of "cool". Wearing a crush cap meant you were an aviation-guy, not subject to regular Army regulations, and even non-pilots went out of their way to have the "crush-cap" look. You could probably pick up more girls in nightclubs with this hat...Darth_Wookie posted Sun, 22 April 2001 at 8:55 PM
Fox-Mulder posted Sun, 22 April 2001 at 9:56 PM
Santa is in the Air Force Reserve. How do you think he gets full U.S. Air Defense clearance every Christmas Eve?... BTW, Those are nice military boots...
Fox-Mulder posted Sun, 22 April 2001 at 10:58 PM
Attached Link: http://www.geocities.com/poservue/Bomber-Crew.jpg
Here's the picture I was trying to email you...angola posted Mon, 23 April 2001 at 8:10 AM
angola posted Mon, 23 April 2001 at 8:13 AM
robert.sharkey posted Mon, 23 April 2001 at 2:14 PM
Heya people, really much thanks to all of you for your help. Now i have enough sources to finish this pilot and also the USMC-Soldier. About the boots, both looks fantastic but the ones from DAZ where useless while i wants to post this character as a freebie. Angola, thanks for the suggestion of the boots, have forget that i had them on the harddrive. Would you do it the way as conforming clothes ? The jacket looks also very interesting as a addition to this. I'm shure Fox-Mulder would say it's a B3. A special thanks to Fox-Mulder, his links did show exactly what i'm looking for and gave me some new impressions what i can also add to the pilot. As soon as i have finished the jacket and the sunglasses i would post a new image. Thanks again to all. SHARKEY
angola posted Mon, 23 April 2001 at 3:35 PM
one pair of conforming boots coming right up - right after I find the tutorial!