I had to totaly reinstall my system. the crash problem was resolved with a reformat and fresh install of my dule boot win98SE/win2k system :) Im useing Vue 2.1 now to learn it and will be upgraiding to 3.1 with in the month :) YeeeHaa I feel like a kid in a candy store :) so you will be seeing and hearing from me now :> laters Vel