I have a mac g5. and i had a g3 before. i'll be a mac person.

But a mac person can't live in a world like this. NObody makes software for macs, and nobody makes hardware for macs( cameras, microphones, etc). 

As for poser stuf, Many python scripts etc don't work on mac.
You get the point, most people don't have macs and have no interest in developing for the mac.

I"m pretty sure the majority will say "heck no"
but would anyone buy their significant other , or relative or friend a mac?
or recommend them a mac. 

 

I bought my mom a PC in June, if that helps.

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Macs are great. I've worked on many a Mac and I like em. Matter of fact, it's the first computer I ever laid my hands on (graphic artist here). That being said, I find that Macs are most appropriate in the workplace. I prefer to have a PC at home because, as you said, there is limited compatibility for the Mac as far as a lot of popular programs and games and because there is greater hardware compatibility. That is however a personal choice ;o).

Hey, I remember the day when it was the other way around and you could get programs for the Mac that didn't even exist for PC. How times change ;o).

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I would have to say no to a Mac too, but only because of the lack of software, or at least my view that there is a lack of software. I am prepared to be proved wrong & might consider a Mac as my next machine (if there is going to be one).

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Quote - I have a mac g5. and i had a g3 before. i'll be a mac person.
But a mac person can't live in a world like this. NObody makes software for macs, and nobody makes hardware for macs( cameras, microphones, etc).
As for poser stuf, Many python scripts etc don't work on mac.
You get the point, most people don't have macs and have no interest in developing for the mac.

 

Hi are speaking strictly from perspective of someone only planning to install and use poser with python, texture converter2 CR pro. Pboost etc. and other poser specific utilities??
if so Then why "waste" money on an expensive Mac?
just get them a medium powered PC
and they should be fine in the specific area of poser.

Now if they want a computer for "general usage"
a new Mac will do just fine with microphones,cameras,
Ipods,IPhones,third party LCD's( from Dell ,Acer etc,)your PSP Hardware,your blue tooth enabled phone MS office,Blender,Wings 3D,Open office, MODO 401,Pixologic ZBRUSH, Adobe CS,Adobe PS "elements" Adobe After Effects, Autodesk Combustion,  Maxon Cinema4D,Vray Renderer,Maxwell Renderer, LUX Renderer Lightwave3D, Next Limit RealFlow4, DAZ Studio,Final Cut pro,Final Cut Express DVD studio Pro, Anime Studio pro,toon boom studio, Swift3D Gimp,  Paint Shop pro,Comic life etc, etc ,.......etc.

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Never used a MAC, no intention of using a MAC, if anyone asked me I'd tell them to buy a PC. I started on really old DOS systems before windows came out, as soon as windows arrived I was sold and never considered a MAC, I don't see a good enough reason to.
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the intel macs will install and run Native versions of windows WITHOUT any Emulation.
but it sounds like the OP just Needs  decent modern PC
for  Certain PC only poser tools
that would be the Economical option.
A new Mac just for poser might be $$$over kill$$

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it's very important for schoolkids to fit in with the herd IMVHO, and that requires a PC, which is also more in line with an office asst.'s salary.  later, when the child grows up and is running some entertainment or graphics business with alotta responsibility, it'll be o.k. to move up to the thing that comes after OS X.

wolf, I don't know about the other programs on your list, but I do know that Lightwave isn't "just fine" on Mac. In fact, the Mac people at the NewTek forum consensus seems to be that the latest LW version on Mac is FUBAR and have been pitching fits for years. Also, there's no 64 bit yet.

But no, I wouldn't recommend a Mac to anyone, certainly wouldn't suggest to a friend or family member to buy one. I'd just do like I have been doing - build them a nice PC for faaaarrrrr less money. ;-)

I've owned both.  If the software which the recipient wants to use is available for the Mac, why not.

Mac has better security than PC and is more user-friendly.  PC offers more performance for a given price, and a greater selection of software.

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I put Mepis Linux on my Kid's machines, and openSUSE on the laptop I gave to my Mom.  For what they use it for the software included with a Linux distribution works well, and it's a lot less headache for me to administer.  I do have one machine set up to dual-boot XP, but the kids usually boot it to Linux.

Note that I do most of my Poser work on an XP machine, but I do have Poser 7 running well on my Linux box, and Poser 8 runs perfectly except for the Library, which I have to run in Firefox.

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Macs being more expensive compared to PCs is a myth. Sure, you can get cheaper PCs - and you get just what you pay for. The build quality, reliability and performance of any Mac is at least what you would expect from a well-built PC using high-performance, high-quality components, plus a purpose-built, secure, easy-to-maintain OS and a range of excellent applications that all work together out of the box, pre-installed. Photos, movies, music, websites, video chat, email, word processing, spreadsheets, presentations... it's all there and they all work together seamlessly. You also get better support from Apple than I have seen from any PC supplier.

Macs having limited software available for them is also a myth. A smaller range of options for any particular purpose, agreed. But for the use we are talking about there is software available for Macs to do anything that you can do on a PC.

I use Macs at home and support PCs at work. I have also helped my directors' families (wives and children) all switch to Macs for their own use, and not one of them has ever looked back to a PC for what they need to do.

So for the individual user I would generally always recommend a Mac... and even if they want to use a specific software program that is only available for Windows. I do application development work for Windows on my Mac at home, using Parallels. (I avoid emulation software, as I've found that Windows runs better as a virtual machine).

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Quote - wolf, I don't know about the other programs on your list, but I do know that Lightwave isn't "just fine" on Mac. In fact, the Mac people at the NewTek forum consensus seems to be that the latest LW version on Mac is FUBAR and have been pitching fits for years. Also, there's no 64 bit yet.

Wel lets be honest Lightwave is a vestigial DEAD END on any platform.
Time will tell if "core" can Save Newtek

But in the end the OP.s little cousin will be fine with an off the shelf PC to run poser and some poser related utilities.
No need to buy some expensive Mac hardware IMHO.

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Wel lets be honest Lightwave is a vestigial DEAD END on any platform.
Time will tell if "core" can Save Newtek

Yeah, I agree. Actually, if you look at NewTek's entire history you see an excellent example of a company that had so many opportunities to lead the pack, yet screwed up in every possible way.
Core will be an excellent product when it's finished, but that's not going to be for probably two or more years (in spite of the optimism the company tries to portray...), and by then they will have lost many new and even longtime customers.

I would say I doubt they'll ever recover, but I think they will. After all, getting back to fourth or fifth place isn't too difficult, when there are only 4 or 5 competitors. ;-)

 I've used both.

All things considered... price, performance, compatibility, value, et al... Go with a PC.

Quote - Macs being more expensive compared to PCs is a myth.

Spoken like a true believer. Sorry but it's no myth. Anyone who's ever shopped around price for price has seen Mac's cost more. I like Mac's but I'd never own one. They're great if you have more money than sense.

I would ask a couple of questions.....

How much tech support do you plan on providing to your cousin?  If you don't want to be stuck with that, get them a MAC.

Does your cousin value their time?  If so, get your cousin a MAC.

Have you compared total cost of ownership?,  If you have, you will see why you should get a MAC.

Based on what I saw when we moved from 16bit programs to 32bit programs, it will take a number of years to make that move.  Most of the folks on this thread will have to dump their current computer to take advantage of this.  I won't.

My Mac is over 3 years old.  It can take up to 32Gigs of ram (currently at 15Gig, what swap file?) & with a couple of aftermarket products, I can internally install up to 10 2TB hard drives. I am fully ready for a 64 bit future.

Initial cost was a bit more than a Dell box or a homebrew, but total cost of ownership is much lower that a windows box.  Even moreso when I take into account that my time is valuable.

Quote - > Quote - I have a mac g5. and i had a g3 before. i'll be a mac person.

But a mac person can't live in a world like this. NObody makes software for macs, and nobody makes hardware for macs( cameras, microphones, etc).
As for poser stuf, Many python scripts etc don't work on mac.
You get the point, most people don't have macs and have no interest in developing for the mac.

 

Hi are speaking strictly from perspective of someone only planning to install and use poser with python, texture converter2 CR pro. Pboost etc. and other poser specific utilities??
if so Then why "waste" money on an expensive Mac?
just get them a medium powered PC
and they should be fine in the specific area of poser.

Now if they want a computer for "general usage"
a new Mac will do just fine with microphones,cameras,
Ipods,IPhones,third party LCD's( from Dell ,Acer etc,)your PSP Hardware,your blue tooth enabled phone MS office,Blender,Wings 3D,Open office, MODO 401,Pixologic ZBRUSH, Adobe CS,Adobe PS "elements" Adobe After Effects, Autodesk Combustion,  Maxon Cinema4D,Vray Renderer,Maxwell Renderer, LUX Renderer Lightwave3D, Next Limit RealFlow4, DAZ Studio,Final Cut pro,Final Cut Express DVD studio Pro, Anime Studio pro,toon boom studio, Swift3D Gimp,  Paint Shop pro,Comic life etc, etc ,.......etc.

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well i didn't mean the "you buy your little cousin" literally. 
I'm just asking if you think macs are good enough and would  you recommend them to someone or use them yourself.

thanks all for your responses. 

What i find interesting is that people who don't realy do programming, or gaming or whatever, still insist PC's are better. They just go with what they hear. I'm not a gamer, and don't care about gaming. But everything else I"ve done everything on my mac with no problems. 

Both my teenagers have mac books... they love them.
Games, iTunes, ArtRage, Photoshop, MSN Messenger, e-mails, ToonBoom basic, iMovie,Text Edit and Word for writing homework, Googling stuff... thats the sort of things they use them for.

I have only ever had Macs in the past and use an iMac now.
Poser8 runs a treat and ZBrush 3. Vue Complete plays nice now and all the various Adobe apps I use are fine .
At my kids school they use Windows based PCs and so have on occasion brought school work home in weird formats.
But since we found a great online conversion site even that isn't a problem anymore.

The biggest thing for me is I rarely have to spend time providing 'tech support' for them and for the brief 6 months my son had a Dell/Windows laptop it seemed thats all I did.
The entire family ended up hating that machine for all the headaches it caused.
But I have friends who use both Windows and Macs for work, generally they have a Mac at home.

Of course hard wear can screw up and users can themselves cause all kinds of messes on a computer regardless of platform ... but everyone knows that.

So I'd say Yes, recommend a Mac toyour cousin .
And 'Lalala' earplugs so that the snide things some WindowsPC users feel they need to say about Mac users goes unnoticed ; )
If he/she needs to adapt to a Windows PC later  then they can do that.

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What i find interesting is that people who don't realy do programming, or gaming or whatever, still insist PC's are better. They just go with what they hear. I'm not a gamer, and don't care about gaming. But everything else I"ve done everything on my mac with no problems. 

Well I'm not a programmer, though I am a gamer, and I don't " just go with what [I] hear".
I'm a computer builder, and that alone will prevent me from ever even considering a Mac, even if there were no other reason.
And it's a very valid reason, too. You can't just build your own Mac, and you certainly can't do it for a third of the cost of buying one.

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Mike, I used to be a computer builder, but as I have said before, my time is valuable. 

When people ask me why I have a MAC instead of a PC, I give a very, very simple demonstration that doesn't even need a computer.

I bought a bluetooth adapter for my backup G5 Powermac.  The adapter works with both MACs and PCs.  The instructions for the PC go over three pages (how to install drivers reboot, etc.)  The MAC instructions:

Plug the adapter into a USB port.

And that is why I use a MAC.

Of course, if someone comes up with something better, I'll drop OS X in a heartbeat.  I am loyal to my workflow process, not Steve Jobs and his "Reality Distortion Field".

Based on what I have seen over the past 20+ years, "better" will never come from MicroSoft.

 

 

 

I work in the reproduction sector.
10-15 years ago, MAC - MAC -MAC.

Now, you will have to look deep and hard to find a MAC.
So, question answered.
If I liked the person, NO.
If I really like the person, certainly NO.
If I loved the person? NO WAY.

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*Well I'm not a programmer, *

c and java compliers come standard. There may be others but these are the only ones I've used. And let us not forget Unix running under the hood, an OS with over 40 years of development and security (yawn)
 
*though I am a gamer, and I don't " just go with what [I] hear".
I'm a computer builder, and that alone will prevent me from ever even considering a Mac, even if there were no other reason.

I like to tinker as much as anyone else, but having hardware and software that are designed to work together - let's just say that I've come to appreciate not spending days on system maintenance and configuration. I can actually spend my time -gasp - working.

*And it's a very valid reason, too. You can't just build your own Mac, and you certainly can't do it for a third of the cost of buying one.

Not entirely true.

When I switched, there were several support programs that I missed. I found that several support programs were no longer necessary. The only program I truly miss is HDR Shop, but as mentioned, a dual boot or emulation can easily fix that.

I've tried a release candidate of Windows 7. Definitely an improvement over Vista, but reminded me of several things Windows that have always annoyed me. So I would recommend a Mac for anyone that does not want to use Windows but needs more programs than what's offered for the Linux platform.

 The no software argument is bogus. Unless your cousin is doing something pretty specific, The mac has software for pretty much everything  the average user needs to use it for.

I will give PCs the gamer share of the market, but that's only because most gamers don't program for the Mac market. Frankly though if games were all they really planned to use it for, I wouldn't give them a PC either. I'd get them an Xbox, Playstation or a Wii.

To answer your question: Yes, I'd get my little cousin a Mac in a new York minute, unless he requested a PC. In which case, I'd happily buy him a PC.

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I'm just asking if you think macs are good enough and would  you recommend them to someone or use them yourself.

I do.

Ever since I began recommending them to family and close friends, the time I've spent having to do tech support for them has dropped from damned near constantly, to almost nothing (it's down to one sister now, and my missus who insists on using XP in her laptop).

My relatively ancient dual G5 PowerMac can run whatever the hell I want it to, applications-wise. Being five years old, maybe it's time to move to something else (I already have a Hackintosh running on a Core Duo, but I was thinking something a bit more portable this time, and a MacBookPro would fill that bill nicely).

You can build your own PC-based computer for cheaper - but you get to eat the tech support for it, and don't scrimp on the quality when you do.

You can get a Dell or HP with the same specs as a Mac - for about the same prices, and with a lot of cheap plastic holding it together.

As for the OS? Well, Windows will require you to run an A/V or two (preferably two, because one never really catches everything), it will require (even with 7) a decent cleaner utility, and a decent defrag utility, which contribute to slowdowns and time spent maintaining them.

Linux would be my best OS choice, but apparently few people in the CG realm want to build apps for it without charging a ton of money (e.g. Shake, Maya, etc), or requiring an emulation layer.

Note that I have no particular hatred for any OS... just that there are better ones out there. At work, Windows is just fine with me - I make a very decent living off of keeping it running on both client and server. OTOH, at home, I prefer machines that just run, with little intervention on my part (unless I feel like tinkering).

Wait-a-gosh-darn-minute!! Me? Buy for someone else? Hell no! I'd tell him to buy his own damn computer! Damn kids these days! Grumble....

I don't really care one way or the other as long as I have a computer to do what I want to do. I do lean towards PCs though because I am one of those that says that macs are too damned expensive. (they are)What gets me are the mac nutcases that are WAY too enthusiastic about them. We have one here at my college in the IT dept. and the bastard keeps going around to all the macs on campus and disabling right click on them because "no one should need it" frigging asshole not everyone likes those damned one button mouse pieces of shit that older macs came with. besides what about the handicapped that don't have the second hand needed to push the button that lets you do right click functions?

When it comes down to it I suppose that the main factors are money and what you learn on.

Oh the smugness and arrogance of some MAC users can be unbearable! 
In my old workplace, my little graphics dept. was promoted to a design dept. and we hired a Graphics artist. When it came buying computers of course we had to buy MACs because as you all know "you can´t do graphics on anything but MAC".  When the tech guy, who setup the macs, heard I had been working on PC for years he almost fainted and told me that "I'd be born again to MAC".  I decided to keep an open mind and after using MAC for a year I concluded that it was, after all, just a computer.  I found the MAC OS much worse, probably because I was so used to Windows and I didn't find the MAC system more stable then that of a Workstation PC.

One thing I think MAC users should worry about is the progression of Adobe Suite.  If you look at the feature list of CS4 you'll find some "Windows only" features but no "MAC only" features.  If this progression continues, I'd think in the future we can safely say that "you can't do graphics on anything but a PC" ;)

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As I said before, I come from a graphics world too.

In the 80-90's, it was a MAC's world, as all high quality press "had" to be done on a MAC!
But Windows, video cards, software, cought up. And the market is expanded, every home has some sort of digital office with a color printer... Huge change.

Before everybody used to have a secretary with a tik-tak-tok  typewriter.
Now everybody has Office (or equivalent) who needs the secretary,
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Quote - All I´m saying is that if you own a PC and are used to it, there is absolutely no benefit in buying a MAC.

Well, No, I read your screed and that's not all you were saying.
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Now everybody has Office (or equivalent) who needs the secretary,

I could use a secretary. Preferably a topless one who knows how to make a Long Island Iced Tea. :-D

Quote - > Quote - All I´m saying is that if you own a PC and are used to it, there is absolutely no benefit in buying a MAC.

Well, No, I read your screed and that's not all you were saying.
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hehehe  okay, maybe not but who can blame an old PC user to shoot some bullets at the MAC elite ;)

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Quote - > Quote -

Now everybody has Office (or equivalent) who needs the secretary,

I could use a secretary. Preferably a topless one who knows how to make a Long Island Iced Tea. :-D

LMAO!

Good luck with that Mike ;o).

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Quote - > Quote - > Quote - All I´m saying is that if you own a PC and are used to it, there is absolutely no benefit in buying a MAC.

Well, No, I read your screed and that's not all you were saying.
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hehehe  okay, maybe not but who can blame an old PC user to shoot some bullets at the MAC elite ;)

I was once a Mac person all the way. That might have had something to do with the fact that at the time, all there was for a PC OS was Windows 3.1 (which drove me nuts no end). As a Mac user then, I just could not for the life of me understand WHY I couldn't drag something from one window to another in 3.1. You could with the Mac OS at the time (OS 7 IIRC). Anyway, as the years went by, and especially since Windows XP, I haven't seen the need to stick strictly to a Mac, especially when there are cheaper alternatives (PCs). However, it all boils down to personal preference. I'm sure not gonna be a total Mac snob and I won't be a PC snob either. Both have their pros and cons. It's up to the buyer to weigh according to their own personal tastes and needs. In the end, one can ask for all the opinions they can find, but in the end, will end up doing what they want anyway, no matter what anyone else says ;o).

Here's my main gripe with a PC (and don't get me wrong, I have a PC and I like it): Before Mac OS 10 came along, the earlier versions of Mac OS (bless em) installed a program to (imagine this), one folder on the hard drive. The folder containing the actual program. Windows on the other hand, splatters every program I install in little bits and pieces all over my hard drive and most installers are not nice enough to completely clean up after themselves. I wish I could say that was due to gremlins, but alas, it's a nasty function of the OS. That being said, now that Mac OS is based on FreeBSD, it's not as friendly with it's installation files, and while not being nearly as unmannerly as Windows, is not quite as polite as the old Mac OS versions.

Other than that, I have no problems either with the operation of my PC or the maintenance thereof. But then again, I didn't have a problem with my Mac at work either. I actually like being able to use and troubleshoot both because I know them both well. Makes me more well-rounded ;o).

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 The thing that gets me about PC snobs is  that basically after Windows 3.1 PCs actually became more like Macs.  Before Windows 95, I wouldn't so much as sit down at a PC.

I'm still a Mac lover, but now at least I can tolerate a PC if need be.

 I think people who own PCs (I have used both mac and PC) assume all the problems they have with PCs that people have same with macs which just isn't true. If you want a simple easy to use computer, go mac. If you want to fit in with crowd, go PC.
for example:-
gosh I was cloning my mac for years onto an external firewire drive which I could boot from to restart my puter if something happened to my main drive,  whereas with PCs there are problems with the HD serial number being different and not being able to boot from an external C-drive etc.  although they say vista (the expensive version of such maybe fixes this problem????)
On a mac I never had to reinstall all my software.  cloned discs work so well on macs for backup.
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ok lets get a little more serious and drop the mac vs pc bullshit.

ask the question instead, what machine will suit the person better? what is their temperament like? what do they want to get from it?

then you can decide if they want a Mac, a PC running Windows, a PC running Linux or something totally different like a new mountain bike.

asking us ain't gonna help. we've all got these prejudices in the eternal holy war of 'what I like is better than what they like' and you won't get the answer of what is best for the person.

Nice post there, Kaibach. :thumbup

It is kind of ridiculous, after all, arguing over what OS is better.
Hardware is a different story, since physical mechanical or electronic components do come in terms of "junk", "so-so", and "excellent", and is worth arguing over, but arguing over an OS is just silly, except where people are just flat-out wrong.

Mac vs. PeeCee vs. Linux vs. Amiga vs. WhateverElse arguments are some of the dumbest on the whole 'net and tend to really bring out the worst in people, almost as much as religious or political arguments.

Of course it doesn't help when Apple itself is feeding the war with their own slanderous propaganda, with those ridiculous commercials of theirs. ;-)

 i disagree - the hardware has same components - it's the software and OS that gives the user experience.  i've used both mac and pc.
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I wasn't talking about comparing Mac hardware to PC hardware, I was talking about comparing hardware in general.
I really hope you don't think all motherboards, processors, video cards, hard drives and so on are created equal.

 no but processor speeds on mac and pc eg 300mhz aren't equal, so you need to be careful.
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I don't need to be careful about anything. I don't care about Mac processor speeds and it influences my life to exactly zero extent. :biggrin:

" no but processor speeds on mac and pc eg 300mhz aren't equal, so you need to be careful."

that's back to PC vs Mac instead of considering the user and what their way of doing things is....sigh

for some people processor speed may be important. 

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and a Atom powered netbook at 1.6ghz could be the perfect machine. or a Turon 64 at 2ghz running windows. or a TEGRA CPU running Android. or a Macbook Pro. or and Ahtlon or a I5....

sorry but the processor speed don't mean that much when you consider what the user wants.... a 1.6mhz Atom can run a wordprocessor just fine. or an Intel / Amd for games and so on.

better to concentrate on the user not the hardware or the OS. perfect example : My wife is dumping our Turon 64 laptop in favour of a atom based netbook.

why? the Turon is far more powerful and capable... but the laptop weighs over 7lbs. with her workbag (she's a teacher) it's to much for her to carry round.

so, we're getting her a 2lb netbook. it suits her better.

same idea with any user. they should get what suits them

 she should just love a macbook air then

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.....you miss the point completely.

please READ what I'm saying. and no, we don't have the money for that.

Okay, how about this then:- 
well when you are a kid at school file sharing is important so I guess whatever most people have is good.  On the other hand data backup is vitally important and viruses are less on mac, and backup is far easier with cloning and ability to restart from externally connected HD clone.
I find (having used both OS) that mac is easier and nicer to use.  I've never had to reinstall all my software again as I have had to on the PC.
I bet the prices aren't all that different especially if you go second hand.
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please note something you just said.

"I find (having used both OS) that mac is easier and nicer to use. ** I've** never had to reinstall all my software again as I have had to on the PC."

I put emphasis on where it's needed.

you are going from YOUR point of view, not thinking of the other User. so taking that approach I take your apple away and give you Linux.

it's not your choice and your way of doing things.

get the point yet?

Before I got this current computer (PC) I had tried out a Mac at the computer store.  It was very nice and what I liked about it is that it took up so much less room on the desktop.

The only thing that would prevent me from getting one though is the lack of software.  I have a number of various types of programs and they are .exe extractions and are windows based.

I know that you can use Windows on Macs now, but I don't know exactly how that works. And to me it doesn't make any sense to have a computer to get away from Windows, only to install Windows on it anyway.  To me that seems like it's defeating the whole purpose behind a Mac computer....which for years didn't allow Windows to be run on it .... likely for a reason.

Besides, I don't take to gross change very well, and it took me forever to figure out a PC and it's operating system, I would likely have a mental breakdown if I got a Mac and had to relearn everything all over again.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

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Okay, how about this then:- 
well when you are a kid at school file sharing is important so I guess whatever most people have is good.  On the other hand data backup is vitally important and viruses are less on mac, and backup is far easier with cloning and ability to restart from externally connected HD clone.

Okay, well how about this then:
If you get a virus while file sharing, you probably deserve it.
If you get a virus in any way, there's a real good chance you asked for it.
I have not had a virus. Not one, ever. Zip, zilch, nada. And I've been using PCs for a long time.
Now how can that be so? Do I have a magic computer? No, I already said it's a PC, not a Mac. :woot:

Well the truth is, I don't file share, I don't download crapware, I don't indiscriminately download this, that and the other thing. I use my computers for what I want to do and what I need to do, and I'm careful about things, what I allow, what I open, what I run.
That's the key to it.

Yeah, you're more likely to get a virus on a PC than on a Mac, but only because a virus coder can overall do more damage writing viruses for Windows than for any other platform. If Mac had 75% of the market share you can bet the impenetrable Mac platform would suddenly find itself not quite so impenetrable after all.

Regarding backup, I don't see anything particularly difficult about backup on PC.  RAID mirroring, external hard drives, blah blah blah, all sorts of methods. It's never been an issue, as far as I'm concerned.

Maybe I'm looking at it wrong though. The way I see it, a computer is a fairly complex thing, as well as the software that runs it. From the very beginning I felt it was important to know how it works, how to use it, how to deal with it, how to maintain it, and later, how to build it.

And IMO, running one and using one carries with it a certain amount of responsibility. I get so sick of reading threads of people whining... I got a virus! I can't reformat! I lost all my stuff! I don't know what a driver is, but I know this operating system sux! wahh waahh....waaahhhhh!

To those people I say, learn how to use it, learn how to control it, or don't use it and don't be surprised when things go wrong. It is what you make of it.

Quote - Of course it doesn't help when Apple itself is feeding the war with their own slanderous propaganda, with those ridiculous commercials of theirs. ;-)

This is what bugs me and makes me irritated.  I once saw a MAC add that said "Like Windows, only better!"  Have you been to a MAC support forum?  MAC is not exactly problem free. It's a computer!  Just like PC.  I personally don´t like how the OS works on MAC. It's tendency to put everything on the desktop and how it's file explorer is set up.  But I´m not saying Windows is better, it just suits me better.

I could write pretty words all day but bottom line is: MACHINTOSH SUCKS!  (phew, that felt good ;)

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"To those people I say, learn how to use it, learn how to control it, or don't use it and don't be surprised when things go wrong. It is what you make of it."

well I've found there's not as much to learn with PC as there is with mac (having used both). Macs are just easy and fun to use.  NOt everyone wants to learn a whole lot of stuff and with macs you don't have to.  
But it depends on what software you want to use on your computer too.  if it's just word processing then it can be mac or pc. If it's crossdresser, then you have to have a pc or run windows on the mac to make it work.
Dunno if there's much entirely mac software without PC equivalent.  I really love comiclife magiq which isn't for windows (there is comic life but not the magiq version) and I use that software all the time.
But 3d studio max is not made for mac at all and probably never will be (not that I can afford that one anyway even if there was a mac version). 

I'm not entirely convinced that the reason why there are far less mac viruses is for the reason you have stated (although I've heard that said by PC users lots of times before).  It may be that the mac OS is more resiliant.  I mean there must be thousandds of hackers who hate macs who would love to virally infect them and destroy them I would think (since mac users are so smug all the time)

Love esther

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I aim to update it about once a month.  Oh, and it's free!

I think every single one of you Mac VS PC people are missing the really important thing here. Some kid wants us to buy him a new computer! Well I for one am not having it! Let him go get a job and buy his own computer. Hrmph!

Quote - I think every single one of you Mac VS PC people are missing the really important thing here. Some kid wants us to buy him a new computer! Well I for one am not having it! Let him go get a job and buy his own computer. Hrmph!

Well I think the OP was a rhetorical question and my answer would be NO!  Get him a good savings account!!  Although you could buy him a Mini Mac to use as a book stopper.

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heh. don't get them a PC, get them a mountain bike and get 'em moving...

Get him a 42" plasma. He'll have more fun and less aggravation....lolol.

Laurie

Quote - I think every single one of you Mac VS PC people are missing the really important thing here. Some kid wants us to buy him a new computer! Well I for one am not having it! Let him go get a job and buy his own computer. Hrmph!

Now that I agree with.
I bet he expects to get fed tonight for free, too. And tomorrow, and the next day, and before you know it he'll want clothes, the car keys, gas money, college...
Damn freeloaders. ;-)

Quote - > Quote - I think every single one of you Mac VS PC people are missing the really important thing here. Some kid wants us to buy him a new computer! Well I for one am not having it! Let him go get a job and buy his own computer. Hrmph!

Well I think the OP was a rhetorical question and my answer would be NO!  Get him a good savings account!!  Although you could buy him a Mini Mac to use as a book stopper.

You're not recognising the irrelevance of your response to my sense of humor. :tt2:

Quote - > Quote - I think every single one of you Mac VS PC people are missing the really important thing here. Some kid wants us to buy him a new computer! Well I for one am not having it! Let him go get a job and buy his own computer. Hrmph!

Now that I agree with.
I bet he expects to get fed tonight for free, too. And tomorrow, and the next day, and before you know it he'll want clothes, the car keys, gas money, college...
Damn freeloaders. ;-)

See! Mike get's it!

Was this thread started in the correct forum? Poser was hardly ever mentioned. I don't mind a tech thread in the poser forums but this thread caused exactly what I would have expected to occur. The constant back and forth over Macs and PCs. I think the OP of this thread started it as a prank to get the Mac and PC people arguing. The most astonishing thing to me is that it worked... again. No one is going to win this argument so, why argue?

We are ARTISTS! This arguing over tech is silly. If a PC is placed in front of a diehard Mac user here, that person will still render art and vice versa. WE are about talent and imagination, the tech is just a tool. The tech is not the argument because we can do what we do regardless of the damn tools available. That is what separates us from the rest of society. We create art when others cannot. Leave the fanboy blather to the Xbox/PS3 crowd and let's not argue like them. What ends up in your gallery is based on your talent not the computer you use.

I know that someone is going to attempt to argue with me now but I will not. This will be my only post and I will not return to this thread. I just posted here to remind you all of what you are, Artists. In the end that is what you contribute to the world. So, if I am wrong and this is really a tech thread then move it to a tech forum. I was under the impression that this forum was for Poser artists.

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It is kind of ridiculous, after all, arguing over what OS is better.

Perhaps, though when you get down to it, which one costs more over the long haul (in time, money, effort, etc)? There are some basics you cannot get away from.

Personally, use what you like. OTOH, if you're going to ask, the answers will come, and everyone has their favorites.

As far as all of these factors, OSX just works for me when it comes to CG/3D. Here's how I got there:

* I don't have to waste time in making sure the A/V is up to snuff, nor do I have to bother wondering about the home machine every time the latest, nastiest bit of malware hits the Internet.

* I don't have to waste time running defrag (and not being able to use the computer while it does that), or to make sure that the registry/cache cleaners did their job properly.

• Sure, I spent a bit of money up-front, but over the long-haul, I actually spend less. The old dual G5 cost me about $2k - which is about what I would've paid an OEM (HP, Dell, whoever) for a dual-proc PC of equal specs back then. I can still use it right now for pretty much everything that comes down the pike. If I bought a comparable PC with Windows, I would've spent money on hardware upgrades (to insure it could run Vista/7), a new machine when the old one crapped out (typical PC boxes last around 3 years... the Mac is still chugging along at year 5), and my downtime has been a statistical zero due to any hardware/software failures.

• When I bought my old G4 Cube in 2003, it cost me roughly $800. When I sold it, I got $600-700 out of it. When/if I sell the dual G5, I'll probably get $500 out of the creature in its current configuration. How much could I sell a 5-year-old Dell for (I'm guessing nowhere near as much...)

* I don't have to spend as many CPU cycles on the OS, which leaves more for the render.

* Everything is easy to get to, I know where it is, and I can move it wherever I want.  Between Expose and Spaces, I can get to any open window in no time flat.

• For all the non-CG stuff, I'm not locked into anything data-wise. I can push/move it wherever I want to.

• I've spent approximately $0.00 in license fees for the OS, and I can modify/upgrade/change the hardware anytime I want to without it complaining that I need to 'activate' the OS each time.

* Over the past five years (up until I bumped it to Leopard), I've had zero bloat, zero registry corruption, and zero need to re-install the OS for any reason.

Now don't get me wrong, there are faults in OSX which I loathe pretty strongly (we can start with the $*^%! file copy/replace action in Finder), but those are still minor compared to the benefits.

There are also advantages to having a PC (especially if you build your own), but I put the hardware advantages to work in an OS that isn't going to charge me license fees or treat me like some sort of copyright criminal every time I replace a hardware part.

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Nothing smug about it, and honestly, I have no need to feel better than anyone else simply because of my choices in operating systems. There are of course folks who do - on ALL sides of the fence. My reasons for choosing a Mac for home use are technical, not emotional.

If Windows ever presented a compelling product - one which didn't have all the irritations that it normally comes with, sure I'd switch to it, no sweat. Until that point in time, why buy a bucket of headaches? I'd rather spend the time exploring the meanderings of a vicky, as she deals with her penchant for nudity and carries her sword through various but nondescript temples... ;)

Looks like Pengy wins.

I guess that settle it then - irrefutable proof that Apple and Mac OS is better. Now we can all go about our lives again. ;-)

Which reminds me, I need to get my gaming PC taken apart so I can clean it out and get it ready for that second GTX 285 I'm going to order, to put it into SLI. Total waste of time though, really, and probably introducing unneeded complexity into my life just for the sake of playing games.
Times like this I wish I had a Mac, so I wouldn't even feel inclined to try it. :-D

Heh - it's not a question of winning or losing.

Here <- let me make it easier for those deciding on whether or not to go Windows 7... :)

Nope! I win cuz I didn't have to buy anyone anything and get to spend my pennies on new content! :tt2:

Hey everyone. I'm a Mac user and I actually just bought my first Mac 3+ years ago. Now I have 2 iMacs and MacBook Pros i'm using and I must say it's quite enjoyable. Poser 8 runs without a hitch for me and I have no complaints on the gaming front. In fact my wife and daughter love gaming on our Macs.

Games I play weekly (with GFX settings maxed out):
Eve Online
World of Warcraft
Warhammer Online
City of Heroes
Call of Duty 4
Prince of Persia
Braid
Tons more from MacGameStore.com as well.

Programs I use weekly for creating artwork and/or models:
Painter 11 (No issues so far)
Poser 8 (Not 1 issue yet, around 80GB in 1 runtime)
Pixelmator (No issues)
Carrara 7.2 Pro (Few issues)
Vue 7 Esprit (Few small issues)
Silo 2.1 (No issues with modeling)
Cheetah3D (Few small issues)
3Delight Render Engine (No issue so far)

This is a tiny list of what I have installed (my Applications folder is showing 321.4GB worth of apps in there) and for the most part, like Apple says, everything just works. From my Wacom Intuos 4 18x12 Tablet to my 4TB wireless file server. In the 3+ years i've owned my Macs i've never once had an issue with something going out, having to talk to tech support, or having to upgrade hardware. From live Podcasts, writing the occassional review, gaming, 3D, 2D, I do it all happily from my Mac. :biggrin:

Not saying anythings wrong with being a PC as I used to be one and also build them and Linux servers for 6 years for various studios. It's a personal preference of mine. I hate it when PC users say there isn't much software for a Mac since Intel Macs run both Mac and PC software and you have a few different avenues to do it in if the software is PC only. Parallels, Fusion, VirtualBox (FREE), and Boot Camp can all run Windows. There's also Crossover which I own and works fairly well. Point being that in terms of software I look at it as I have even MORE software than PC users since i'm able to use Mac only software along with PC only software. In the end it all comes down to personal preference so no matter if you're a PC or Mac user at the end of the day you gotta like what you're purchasing...