Apple_UK opened this issue on Feb 02, 2010 · 66 posts
Apple_UK posted Tue, 02 February 2010 at 10:23 PM
I am not putting the name of the forum member whose replies to in threads the below appears, but I don't like it and wish it would stop please
NoelCan posted Tue, 02 February 2010 at 10:37 PM
Me Too...!!! I do not know if this info is recorded somewhere, or how Rendorosity is accessed to obtain this...!
kyhighlander59 posted Tue, 02 February 2010 at 10:38 PM
Belladzines posted Tue, 02 February 2010 at 10:46 PM
i'll ask a moderator to check this out.
modus0 posted Tue, 02 February 2010 at 10:49 PM
Unless I'm wrong, that script displays only that information for the viewer (so everyone will usually see something different), so unless the information is collected somewhere, there's not a whole lot it can do.
And I've seen forum software that collects IP addresses of posters, but it isn't much use for locating anything more specific than a city and identifying service providers, which is only really useful for blocking banned addresses.
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kyhighlander59 posted Tue, 02 February 2010 at 10:50 PM
kyhighlander59 posted Tue, 02 February 2010 at 10:50 PM
NoelCan posted Tue, 02 February 2010 at 10:52 PM
It also shows and perhaps records software info and computer type. This info is useful to phishers..
pakled posted Tue, 02 February 2010 at 10:53 PM
yup...you must have a screen cap, 'cause I see all my own info. Annoying, but mostly harmless..
I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit
anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)
markschum posted Tue, 02 February 2010 at 11:04 PM
Its info your browser is sending out , it lets a site know what browser you are using so it can customise responses. You will only see your own info , no one elses. The isp name is often wrong because of resellers. There is no way to store the info from a signiture line that I know of.
NoelCan posted Tue, 02 February 2010 at 11:08 PM
Maybe I am just an old geezer (True).... But I do find it unsettling.!
JenX posted Tue, 02 February 2010 at 11:15 PM
Attached Link: http://techpatterns.com/downloads/php_browser_detection.php
The info is what your browser is sending out. It is only visible TO YOU. Apple_UK, I have deleted the photo you posted, since you were concerned that the info may be recorded somewhere, I figured you didn't want your information out there.These scripts do not send any information anywhere. They simply read what your browser emits, in your browser, and read your information back to you.
When you log into Renderosity, you send US more information than the script in the member's sigline. That is true for any login- or cookie-based site.
I've attached a link that will give you more information on the scripts. They are literally nothing to be worried about.
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Apple_UK posted Tue, 02 February 2010 at 11:27 PM
OK Jen, TY
lmckenzie posted Tue, 02 February 2010 at 11:28 PM
For more anxiety, read about browser "fingerprinting," and test your browser.
http://panopticlick.eff.org/
Unless you use an anonymous proxy, turn off javascript and disable plugins like Flash, it's virtually impossible to avoid leaking.
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JenX posted Tue, 02 February 2010 at 11:28 PM
Not a problem ;)
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NoelCan posted Tue, 02 February 2010 at 11:39 PM
Quote - OK Jen, TY
Ditto...
Victoria_Lee posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 12:01 AM
That particular script only shows YOU who your provider is and your IP address.
When I look at my own replies it tells me my own information and nothing else. I'm not collecting any information, it's just a tag line, nothing more.
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NoelCan posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 12:16 AM
Quote - That particular script only shows YOU who your provider is and your IP address.
When I look at my own replies it tells me my own information and nothing else. I'm not collecting any information, it's just a tag line, nothing more.
I am sure that You understand some concern though..
Victoria_Lee posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 12:32 AM
Well, I've been using that particular tagline for nearly 2 years now and if you call up the danasoft site you'll be able to see exactly what the image entails. The site also explains that no information is being harvested and that what you see on the sign is not what anyone else sees.
Believe me, I've been around here long enough to know that if it was damaging the tagline would have been gone a long time ago.
Right, Jen?
Hugz from Phoenix, USA
Victoria
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NoelCan posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 12:53 AM
Jen has assured us it is ok therefore for Me the issue is closed..
Take care and have Fun..!!
JenX posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 1:28 AM
Victoria is correct. Any time we find, or are alerted, that someone's sigline, homepage, or other links contain untoward content, we take action right away to remove them from the site.
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bob1965 posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 7:31 AM
It's not the sign....I already know the info on the sign....it's the m...individual holding the sign that is an obamanation ...this is an art site forum, not a PAC right?...I want my NVIATWAS!
kyhighlander59 posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 7:35 AM
LOL I jokingly acted like I thought that was what was upsetting the op in the original post, but it went unnoticed. LOL
She should change the part about being hot to: Now Acorn will use this info to help get loans for those who are less fortunate. LOL That would flood Rendo with upset folks. LOL
Victoria_Lee posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 7:41 AM
Trust me, I don't think he's "HOT". When I chose that sigline it was 110F+ here in Phoenix for the 15th day in a row and we were all sweltering.
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Victoria
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WandW posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 8:05 AM
Quote - It's not the sign....I already know the info on the sign....it's the m...individual holding the sign that is an obamanation ...this is an art site forum, not a PAC right?...I want my NVIATWAS!
It is art-it's an OIASWAS...
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Victoria_Lee posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 8:11 AM
LOL!!!
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JenX posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 9:39 AM
ahem Let's keep the politics-slinging out of this, folks. You can turn signatures off in your forum preferences, or, you can scroll right past it if you don't like it.
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Khai-J-Bach posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 9:42 AM
or you can use Adblock :)
bob1965 posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 10:05 AM
Quote - ahem Let's keep the politics-slinging out of this, folks. You can turn signatures off in your forum preferences, or, you can scroll right past it if you don't like it.
Point of order.
If political expressions are entirely disallowed by the TOS (this would logically include graphic "statements" showing approval/disapproval of any political figures) then the sig violates those terms and would therefore need to be removed.
If that is not the case then tongue-in-cheek expressions of a political nature that do not extend beyond the immediate should also be allowed.
If the second case is not true then there is evident political bias.
So, are we here to do art...politics...or art with a dose of other peoples "approved" politics?
Khai-J-Bach posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 10:13 AM
point of order.
let Jen do her job. if she's not removing it, it's not breaking the rules.
WandW posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 10:23 AM
I wasn't talking about politics; I was talking about art.
My abreviation is no more political than NVIATWAS., although we could change to to "Guy in a suit with a sign" if there's a perceived problem... :rolleyes:
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JenX posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 10:23 AM
bob, I'm not going to discuss whether or not members' siglines, which are NOT normally part of forum discussions, cross into the territory of political. There are at least 100 members who have something political in their siglines. Not one has been asked to remove anything in their sigline.
As I said, if you don't like it, you can either block it, report it, or skip it. No one is forcing you to look at it, there are measures you can take to avoid the sigline. Or, you can NOT go out of your way to take offense that someone does or does not support a political figure that you do not, and simply ignore it and go on with the original conversation in a civilized fashion. Which is how we expect members to act.
The TOS itself does not prohibit political topics, and there have been a few topics that, lately, have broached the subject in manners that surprised even me. However, this part of our header is what I feel is the most important part:
"We strive to create an environment that is not only conducive to learning, but also to kicking back and having fun, and getting to know one another."
Feel free to broach the topic, within reason, if you wish to do so in a polite manner. In the history of this site, the topics of politics and/or religion mix with the membership like gasoline and lit candles. Not a good combination, and quick to explode. Just know that we watch all such topics as best we can, but, if it impedes the jobs we need to do on the rest of the site, or if we're refereeing more than reading, the thread will get locked. No exceptions.
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Victoria_Lee posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 10:34 AM
Sorry to have caused such a flap, Jen. I'll change the line if you want but, like I said, I've been using it for nearly 2 years (no politics intended) without a problem until now.
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kyhighlander59 posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 10:38 AM
LOL sentiment is running very hot in the nation right now. I told a silly little political joke on Facebook a couple of months ago and I've never been attacked like that telling a silly little joke before. Afraid if it don't calm down it could come to real violence.
JenX posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 10:42 AM
There's no problem with it, period. Like I said, there are hundreds of folk who have something in their sigline that is political or religious, whether it's simply a quote, a link to a site where you can discuss politics openly and get into debates, or, well, something like yours, which simply has a photo of Obama.
What I think needs to go on is this: If you're truly offended by a sigline, report it. By offended, I mean more than just "I don't care for it". There are a lot of siglines I don't "care for". We're a diverse group of individuals. We learn to live with each other and get over it, or we can freak out about little things and burn every possible bridge we can find. That is our own personal choice. It's part of being an adult.
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Victoria_Lee posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 10:51 AM
Thanks, Jen.
Speaking of siglines, are you on baby watch?
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kyhighlander59 posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 10:52 AM
JenX posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 10:54 AM
Quote - Thanks, Jen.
Speaking of siglines, are you on baby watch?
I very much am :) I've been trying out baby tickers all week. I'm currently 20something weeks (depending on which doctor, specialist, or calculator you use...this ticker says 25, my last visit said 23 with a HUGE baby, I'm just looking for healthy, lol) And, he's currently really into using my ribcage as a footrest :P
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JenX posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 10:59 AM
Quote - I agree Jen, it's just a trying time at the moment. tensions are high.
It is...but it doesn't have to be. If we can all respect the fact that other peoples' opinions differ from yours, things go much smoother ;) (Yeah, that goes for app discussions as well, LOL)
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Victoria_Lee posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 11:03 AM
Quote -
I very much am :) I've been trying out baby tickers all week. I'm currently 20something weeks (depending on which doctor, specialist, or calculator you use...this ticker says 25, my last visit said 23 with a HUGE baby, I'm just looking for healthy, lol) And, he's currently really into using my ribcage as a footrest :P
Been there, done that. They thought both of my boys were twins (this was long before ultrasounds) but they were just 11-pounders.
I'll keep watch with you. I love being on baby watch, especially since I only have one more child without children of his own and who's showing no signs of settling down yet.
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JenX posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 11:11 AM
:lol: Awesome ;) I might start to put updates in my blog here, just to keep 'em central ;)
This is my first big one. My first was just shy of 5lbs. full-term (he's just a small guy), so this one is;...somewhat frightening, LOL.
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Victoria_Lee posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 11:41 AM
Mine went bout - 10 lbs 8 1/2 oz, girl - 6 lbs 6 oz, boy - 10 lbs 10.5 oz.
The funny thing was I had EXACTLY the same weight gain with all 3 and was as big as a house with all 3.
I'll bookmark your blog to keep up to date.
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Victoria
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JenX posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 11:50 AM
LOL, now I'm under pressure to actually update :P j/k I will, I promise!
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ratscloset posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 12:23 PM
Often, Art is a Political Statement... Even the "Grand masters" included Political Statements in their Art... some are just more subtle that others.... and most are time sensitive.. having Andrew Jackson holding the Sign would not mean much today, but back in his time, it would have been considered very political.
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Victoria_Lee posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 12:31 PM
- Mine went bout - 10 lbs 8 1/2 oz, girl - 6 lbs 6 oz, boy - 10 lbs 10.5 oz.
Wow - nobody caught that one.
It should say 'boy' - just got a new keyboard, a curve instead of ergo and I'm still not used to it.
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JenX posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 12:36 PM
Quote - Often, Art is a Political Statement... Even the "Grand masters" included Political Statements in their Art... some are just more subtle that others.... and most are time sensitive.. having Andrew Jackson holding the Sign would not mean much today, but back in his time, it would have been considered very political.
True, but there's a HUGE difference between posting a political piece in the gallery, and a political rant in the forum.
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JenX posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 12:37 PM
Quote - - Mine went bout - 10 lbs 8 1/2 oz, girl - 6 lbs 6 oz, boy - 10 lbs 10.5 oz.
Wow - nobody caught that one.
It should say 'boy' - just got a new keyboard, a curve instead of ergo and I'm still not used to it.
No worries. I have a 16-year-old sister who has, apparently, never taken even a minute of grammar lessons. I am very fluent in typo ;)
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Victoria_Lee posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 12:45 PM
Quote -
No worries. I have a 16-year-old sister who has, apparently, never taken even a minute of grammar lessons. I am very fluent in typo ;)
LOL!! These days, since I went wireless, I seem to be making a lot of them. I miss my ergo keyboard but even Mickeysoft isn't making them any longer. :a_cry:
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Victoria
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JenX posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 12:47 PM
Quote - > Quote -
No worries. I have a 16-year-old sister who has, apparently, never taken even a minute of grammar lessons. I am very fluent in typo ;)
LOL!! These days, since I went wireless, I seem to be making a lot of them. I miss my ergo keyboard but even Mickeysoft isn't making them any longer. :a_cry:
I have a Logitech Wave. It's not a true ergonomic, but it works great and feels a LOT better than a standard flat keyboard. ;)
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Victoria_Lee posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 12:52 PM
This one is the Microsoft Curve and it works great but I'm so used to my ergo that I'm having a few problems (especially since I have really long fingernails, but they aren't going anywhere).
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JenX posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 12:58 PM
;) I had long fingernails earlier in January, but I keep hitting them on things. (Yeah, they were natural, thanks prenatal vitamins!) So, they went the way of the dodo :P I could type just fine with them, but apparently, walking down the stairs is a no-go :P
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Victoria_Lee posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 1:08 PM
Down? Good. Up? Not so good! It's a genetic thing, my mom had the same problem.
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JenX posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 1:12 PM
LOL, I can barely stand without falling :P My center of gravity went from being Mars to being Saturn :P
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Victoria_Lee posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 1:56 PM
God, I remember those days ... and they weren't recent. My youngest just turned 37.
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JenX posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 3:56 PM
;)
Some days, I wine through this. Others, I sit back, and can't wait for this one to be over so I can do it all over again. I'm probably insane :P
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fivecat posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 6:47 PM
Quote - ;)
Some days, I wine through this. Others, I sit back, and can't wait for this one to be over so I can do it all over again. I'm probably insane :P
You want to enjoy the first time, but you don't want the second, third, etc... saying they feel neglected because you didn't videotape every second of the second, third pregnancy. :P
JenX posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 6:52 PM
lol, I think the only documentation I've done for this one is, well, tell people and have ultrasounds, lol. (This one's my 2nd, BTW...my first is 9 ;))
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Apple_UK posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 9:26 PM
The way that I understand this is: using netstats we can see this information that we are directly networked with. Here I would expect Renderosity to see my IP address etc but not any other ordinary member with whom I am not directly networked with. I don't know how the info is being accessed and displayed but the offending item appearing in reply to to this thread IS RATHER LIKE HAVING MY NOSE RUBBED IN IT. Therefore, JenX, would you delete my info from Renderosity because I shall not be returning here. TY
Victoria_Lee posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 9:31 PM
Apple_UK, I can't see your stats, only you can.
This is directly from the danasoft.com website:
"These signs are created and served by our webserver in real-time for each person that views them. Your IP address and other information are only visible to YOU, not to others, but because people see their own IP address and computer information displayed on a blog or in a public forum, they think that their information can be seen by everyone!"
This is what's happening here. You are seeing your own information but I can only see mine.
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Victoria
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JenX posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 9:49 PM
Quote - The way that I understand this is: using netstats we can see this information that we are directly networked with. Here I would expect Renderosity to see my IP address etc but not any other ordinary member with whom I am not directly networked with. I don't know how the info is being accessed and displayed but the offending item appearing in reply to to this thread IS RATHER LIKE HAVING MY NOSE RUBBED IN IT. Therefore, JenX, would you delete my info from Renderosity because I shall not be returning here. TY
I'm not sure you understand how things like this work.
Any time you go to any site where you need to log in, the system saves your IP address. This information is rarely, if ever, used, but in some jurisdictions it is required to be collected. Your IP address is, more than likely, a dynamic IP address, meaning that it changes sometimes as often as daily. This is all dependent on your ISP. There is literally no way that we can find anything out about you by your IP address. At best, we could find your city/county, but, again, the IP address currently assigned to you could be re-assigned by this time tomorrow to a town across the country.
The only time to be worried, at all, is if you have a static IP address. And, if you have a static IP, you pay a lot for your internet use, as static IP's are usually reserved for server farms and webhosts.
In any case, if you would like your account removed, you will have to email admin@renderosity.com I don't have access to any of your information.
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kyhighlander59 posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 9:56 PM
I think it embarassed her that Victoria came in to explain the situation. I feel a tad guilty in that matter as I informed her of the fuss.
I went to the site to create my own tag, but sadly can't get it to display anything other than the html code. LOL Maybe it is best I can't. LOL
kyhighlander59 posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 10:03 PM
Jen have you tried Knox Gelatin for your nails and hair? will really make them grow. Even when your not pregnant.
JenX posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 10:05 PM
Ok, now seeing where your concern lies....
I've explained, at least 3 times, how Victoria's signature works. YOU ARE THE ONLY PERSON WHO IS SEEING YOUR INFORMATION. No one is collecting it. No one is storing it. It is only visible to you.
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JenX posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 10:07 PM
Quote - Jen have you tried Knox Gelatin for your nails and hair? will really make them grow. Even when your not pregnant.
I actually prefer not having long nails ;) I save on nail polish, I can't overscratch, and I don't inadvertently poke myself in the eye :lol: I am soooooooo not girly.
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Khai-J-Bach posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 10:25 PM
more unsettling.
walking the hound on a long retracting leash.
went to yank Smiley's collar. the lock...did'nt.
punched myself in the nuts.
.....I'll just be sitting in the corner.....
Victoria_Lee posted Wed, 03 February 2010 at 10:40 PM
Ouch!!!!!
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