Belladzines opened this issue on Mar 17, 2010 · 47 posts
Belladzines posted Wed, 17 March 2010 at 12:47 AM
i use Poser 7 & 8 ... i love Poser 8's render engine, so much faster then poser 7 - i'm not that crash hot on P8's library system but its growing on me ....
I also use Maya at times so my question is this to all those of you who have bought PP2010, is it worth getting?
what is the difference between it and say Poser 7 or 8?
thanks in advance.
GeneralNutt posted Wed, 17 March 2010 at 12:51 AM
Gamma correction, makes it worth while for me. Trying to figure out where and how to gamma correct every material is a giant pain, and mostly just beyond my abilities. The Library is huge improvement over p8, and I think better than 7.
-BrandyE- posted Wed, 17 March 2010 at 12:59 AM
What I have been doing so far is composing in p7 and rendering in 2010 and I am amazed at how quickly it renders and how detailed they are.
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RobynsVeil posted Wed, 17 March 2010 at 1:47 AM
I have to think $265... AUD. I do material gamma correction now (and throwing out useless Add(1,0) nodes connecting a bump channel to a texture map)... IOW, clean up shaders.
Render faster? I have a P4 2.8gHz with a gig of RAM. Can't afford an upgrade to my RAM, which is out of date anyway. Plus it's single-core. So, inflicting PP2010 on it is going to give me marginal results in terms of speed. I'd get more speed from rendering in Poser 8 if I would just upgrade my RAM from 1 to 4.
And all those other lovely features? Again, on MY system? Perhaps when I earn heaps of money selling brilliant content on here I can afford that I7 thingie and then I'll think about popping 250 of the best and brightest... but by then, the next version will be out.
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SAMS3D posted Wed, 17 March 2010 at 3:34 AM
I also can't afford right now to upgrade, and not sure it will benefit me. I am using 8 and feel I have not had that long enough to justify an upgrade. I am not having any issues wtih 8, it renders fast enough for me, of course mine is on a Win 7 workstation with 8gigs of ram, so I am not lost with power.
When I release a product I am asked to still make it first compatible with P6 so there are lots of people out there still with P6. Maybe someday but like RobysVeil said, by the time I am ready to upgrade, the new one will be out.
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LostinSpaceman posted Wed, 17 March 2010 at 6:16 AM
I never understand people asking this question when on you the individual really knows if it's worth it to them personally. Me, I won my copy and frankly had sworn to myself I wasn't going to buy another version after P8 but I would have bought this for the $50 upgrade price. It all depends on your incentives.
estherau posted Wed, 17 March 2010 at 6:38 AM
I like the render to queue so I can send a scene to render, then just contiune on making changes or loading a new scene, then send that one to the queue, and I also like the conform to scale in the properties tab of parameters for making clothes fit scaled characters eg I shortened luke's arms and legs and then I made his clothes fit him again.
I like the gamma correct as well. And the clothroom works well for me now too.
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RobynsVeil posted Wed, 17 March 2010 at 7:09 AM
Maybe when PoserPro 2014 comes out, I might be able to afford 2010... have to sell a LOT more Eolandes and Sandras and Jamies... (sheesh, that sounds horrible!)... I guess it's all about what you can afford. I'm sure PoserPro 2010 is worth getting, if you can afford it.
If you can't, it's a moot point.
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estherau posted Wed, 17 March 2010 at 7:16 AM
maybe keep an eye out at CP as they are having a birthday sale the next 4 days. they might have a few at a cheap price, like they did with poser 8.
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RobynsVeil posted Wed, 17 March 2010 at 7:49 AM
Ooooo thank you for the heads up, Esther...
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WandW posted Wed, 17 March 2010 at 9:07 AM
I have Poser 8, and from what I've seen I would probably pay $100 for the sidegrade, but not $199...
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Vestmann posted Wed, 17 March 2010 at 9:42 AM
I like it for the new library and extended render controls. I love the background renderer that allows me to keep on working while rendering. Gamma correction has been mentioned and PPro2010 also has render passes so you can render out different elements to a layered PSD. Also, on PC, the whole program is 64bit which makes much faster when posing and working in the pose room. I paid $199 for the upgrade and for me it was worth every penny.
SAMS3D posted Wed, 17 March 2010 at 2:13 PM
Yes the new library does look inviting, I do like the new interface of poser 8 and Pro 2010 looks even better, but then again an upgrade of $200, not that inviting. Sharen
aeilkema posted Wed, 17 March 2010 at 4:59 PM
I won my copy, otherwise I would have never spent the money to buy it. After playing with it for a week now, I can definitely say that since having poser 8, I would not have spent the money on it. Having GC back is kind of cool, but I'm so used to tweaking with the normal maps feature, that I find that those results much more to my liking then using GC. I know they don't give the same results, but still.
I'm not a 64 bit user and I don't use the library at all. Doing mainly toon work, IDL is hardly being used, so most improvements and features I don't even take advantage off. Using it on a 32 bit system I found it renders slightly slower then Poser 8, using it on a 64 bit system, it renders slightly faster. I know some have experienced much faster rendering times with PP2010 compared to P8, but when times, the difference is not too much. The biggest advantage when using PP2010 is when you have a 64 bit OS with more then 4Gb RAM. It can use everything. If you only have 4Gb RAM or less, even that advantage is out of the window.
All in all, if you need it or not is completely personal. What's in it that you really will use? Is it worth the price to you? To some it is, to others it isn't, but you need to figure that one out yourself. We all can be jumping up and down for joy, while you may ask yourself, why did I spent the money on it? Everyone may dislike it, while you may love it and it's worth every penny or dime to you.
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stewer posted Wed, 17 March 2010 at 5:29 PM
Quote - The biggest advantage when using PP2010 is when you have a 64 bit OS with more then 4Gb RAM. It can use everything. If you only have 4Gb RAM or less, even that advantage is out of the window.
Even with 1GB RAM you have that advantage. 64bit applies to the virtual address space, not the physical memory size.
kyhighlander59 posted Wed, 17 March 2010 at 5:40 PM
Can't say, ordered mine a week ago, opted for physical delivery with 2 day shipping. Emailed them last night and they replied with it will ship in a few more days. So I guess I'll let you know when I get it. LOL
wimvdb posted Wed, 17 March 2010 at 6:00 PM
One of the benefits of having 64bits in PoserPro 2010 is that you can now load as many figures as you want - your hardware or your patience will probably give up before Poser does.
estherau posted Wed, 17 March 2010 at 6:51 PM
I so want a total 64 bit poser pro as I do like loading and duplicating lots of poser people, but alas I have a mac.
As soon as SM makes the mac version total 64 bit, I will find some way to buy a 64 bit puter (mac), at present I have 32 bit.
I do not want PC emulators or PC at the moment, or windows on my ssytem dual boot. I am happy with my OS in most other respects, ease of use, no viruses etc.
Love esther
I aim to update it about once a month. Oh, and it's free!
Vestmann posted Wed, 17 March 2010 at 7:08 PM
Quote - I so want a total 64 bit poser pro as I do like loading and duplicating lots of poser people, but alas I have a mac.
As soon as SM makes the mac version total 64 bit, I will find some way to buy a 64 bit puter (mac), at present I have 32 bit.
I do not want PC emulators or PC at the moment, or windows on my ssytem dual boot. I am happy with my OS in most other respects, ease of use, no viruses etc.
Love esther
I´m not gonna go into to the whole PC vs. Mac thing but I have a 5 year old PC and I haven't had a single virus problem. Ease of use I can understand as I think the only difference between PC and Mac is your personal preference.
estherau posted Wed, 17 March 2010 at 7:14 PM
I love my mac. I am so attached to it.
I aim to update it about once a month. Oh, and it's free!
SAMS3D posted Wed, 17 March 2010 at 8:05 PM
Yep, I love my pc also. I have a few. Sharen
GeneralNutt posted Wed, 17 March 2010 at 11:37 PM
Quote -
Even with 1GB RAM you have that advantage. 64bit applies to the virtual address space, not the physical memory size.
Thanks for the heads up Stewer.
David.J.Harmon posted Thu, 18 March 2010 at 5:05 PM
has anyone tried to import a Poser file (PP2010) into Max 2010 using the new PoserFusion™ and can you tell me more how it works?**
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Replicant posted Thu, 18 March 2010 at 11:17 PM
My latest gallery upload was rendered in Poser 7 on WinXP on Monday and took over two hours to render. I rendered it again yesterday in PoserPro 2010 on Win7 Ultimate 64bit and it was done in twenty minutes.
I'm converted. 2010 from now on.
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seachnasaigh posted Fri, 19 March 2010 at 5:48 AM
(stewer)> Quote - Even with 1GB RAM you have that advantage. 64bit applies to the virtual address space, not the physical memory size.
Interesting point - I didn't realize that.
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RobynsVeil posted Fri, 19 March 2010 at 9:13 AM
Quote - My latest gallery upload was rendered in Poser 7 on WinXP on Monday and took over two hours to render. I rendered it again yesterday in PoserPro 2010 on Win7 Ultimate 64bit and it was done in twenty minutes.
I'm converted. 2010 from now on.
Converted to what? Windows7 Ultimate 64 bit or Poser Pro 2010? :biggrin: Apples and grapefruit, here...
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Gareee posted Sat, 20 March 2010 at 8:19 AM
Not really... one render was on a 32 bit os, with 32 bit software. The second was on a 64 bit os, with 64 bit software.
Thats a fair comparison of the reasons to upgrade to a 64 bit os, and use 64 bit software.
20 minutes Vs 2 HOURS+!
Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.
aeilkema posted Sat, 20 March 2010 at 9:18 AM
But then you would have to be completely fair and state Poser 8 rendering times with it also. If you go from Poser 7 to Poser 8, you will get the same results, but you pay a lot less for the upgrade. The huge decrease isn't because it's Poser Pro 2010, it's because Poser 7 isn't multi-core optimized and Poser 8 & PP2010 are. That's what's causing the huge decrease in rendering times.
If you're on a 32 bit system, Poser 8 will render slightly faster then Poser Pro 2010 does. Compared to Poser 7, they both win easily, but the real winner is still Poser 8.
Well, OK that's not completely true.... the real winner is Poser 5, it renders just as fast as Poser 8 does, at times even faster. But you would loose a lot of excellent features, so no real advantage going back. If you want really really fast renders you could also revert to Poser 4 or use the Poser 4 rendering engine in Poser 5. Then your renders will render very very fast, compared to firefly.
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Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk
Gareee posted Sat, 20 March 2010 at 1:34 PM
The whole point you completely glossed over, is that Poser Pro 2010 does not sacrifice new advanced features, and renders faster then previous versions, even with those included advancements.
Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.
Believable3D posted Sat, 20 March 2010 at 2:01 PM
Quote - But then you would have to be completely fair and state Poser 8 rendering times with it also. If you go from Poser 7 to Poser 8, you will get the same results, but you pay a lot less for the upgrade. The huge decrease isn't because it's Poser Pro 2010, it's because Poser 7 isn't multi-core optimized and Poser 8 & PP2010 are. That's what's causing the huge decrease in rendering times.
No, they were talking about 64 bit advantages, and P8 doesn't offer that.
Now personally, while I hope to be able to afford to upgrade to a heavy duty 64 bit system but can't yet - I don't think I spend $200 extra over P8. But I didn't have to as I owned the original Poser Pro as well, so got PP2010 for $50. I expected to pay at least $100.
At any rate, an extra $100 over P8 would have been well worth it to me, for the ability to render while either working (Queue or background render) or closing down Poser entirely to give more juice to the renderer (Queue). The Queue Manager uses far less resources than the Poser app, not surprisingly.
It was that ability that led me to purchase Poser Pro originally when I started this trail, and even after P8 came out I still rendered in PP sometimes just because of that, even though P8's results were obviously better. So the ability to combine the advances of P8 with queue rendering is crucial for me. And of course I do intend to upgrade to 64 bit when I can, and the advantages will be bigger.
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Anniebel posted Sat, 20 March 2010 at 3:34 PM
Is it worth going from Poser 7 to Poser Pro 2010 if you only have a 32 bit system?
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GeneralNutt posted Sat, 20 March 2010 at 3:54 PM
aeilkema posted Sat, 20 March 2010 at 4:50 PM
I would say no, save some cash and go with P8 instead.
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Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(
Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk
Vestmann posted Sat, 20 March 2010 at 5:25 PM
And I would say yes. We could go on like this for a long time but in the end it depends on what you want. I like the Pro version for the extra render capabilities like render passes, background rendering and aforementioned GC. The library is also much better then in P8.
Gareee posted Sat, 20 March 2010 at 5:38 PM
Instead of updating poser, first update your system to handle a 64 bit os. It really does make a world of difference.
Once you have a more up to date system, then consider updating poser.
Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.
David.J.Harmon posted Sat, 20 March 2010 at 5:57 PM
I just want to know if I can bring something rigged from pp2010 to Max2010?
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RobynsVeil posted Sat, 20 March 2010 at 8:10 PM
Quote - Instead of updating poser, first update your system to handle a 64 bit os. It really does make a world of difference.
Once you have a more up to date system, then consider updating poser.
Precisely my point. I see no advantage of putting a Mazerati engine in a 1965 VW bug. So, I'll save up for that I7 and then upgrade. Of course, by then we'll be up to Poser 2012 or something...
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Dale B posted Sat, 20 March 2010 at 8:41 PM
Or you could like get a Phenom II, motherboard, and between 4 & 8 gigs of DDR2 for what the i7 chip alone costs (barring heavily slanted excise taxes, of course....).
Just a thought......
Vestmann posted Sat, 20 March 2010 at 8:47 PM
Quote - Or you could like get a Phenom II, motherboard, and between 4 & 8 gigs of DDR2 for what the i7 chip alone costs (barring heavily slanted excise taxes, of course....).
Just a thought......
But don't forget that 64bit application is only one of the Pro 2010 features so it's not fair to say it's pointless to upgrade unless you have a 64bit OS. There are other things to consider as well.
David.J.Harmon posted Sat, 20 March 2010 at 8:50 PM
I'm using a 32bitter so should I just go to P8?
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RobynsVeil posted Sat, 20 March 2010 at 9:28 PM
Quote - Or you could like get a Phenom II, motherboard, and between 4 & 8 gigs of DDR2 for what the i7 chip alone costs (barring heavily slanted excise taxes, of course....).
Just a thought......
Well, I'm thinking going with 64-bit everything on this system: OS, hardware, applications... the lot. And I'm doing this in the (learned) Aussie way: I'm saving up for it. Little by little. No more shopping in the marketplace for hair/shoes/outfits/ etc until the new system has been acquired. In the meantime, I'm pretty happy (overall) with what P8 has to offer.
In all truth, I have found (well, Bagginsbill has pointed OUT to me) there are so many features of Poser 7 that I'm still learning and starting to take advantage of, that even Poser 8 exploration is something for the future and PoserPro 2010? who bloody-well has the time??
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Dale B posted Sun, 21 March 2010 at 5:35 AM
Trust me; you'll -love- the 64 bit environment.
Gareee posted Sun, 21 March 2010 at 11:38 AM
I never understand the mentality of killing yourself learning "new" features of older software, when in many cases, you'll need to relearn or learn new features in the latest version.
Computers are the best entertainment/information value for the buck, and we replace both our main systems here every two years... as a matter of fact, we'll be replaceing our systems around christmas this year, and I always keep my valued software current.
Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.
RobynsVeil posted Sun, 21 March 2010 at 3:48 PM
Quote - Computers are the best entertainment/information value for the buck, and we replace both our main systems here every two years... as a matter of fact, we'll be replaceing our systems around christmas this year, and I always keep my valued software current.
Lucky you. My computer dates from 2004... and I have to make do, even though I'm making money on it;. The economy as it is makes upgrading computers a low priority, and my income as a nurse here in Australia is a third of what I made in the States. If it's going to be either new school shoes for the girls or more RAM, guess which one wins?
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Gareee posted Sun, 21 March 2010 at 4:37 PM
They'll just outgrow the shoes anyway... ;)
Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.
aeilkema posted Sun, 21 March 2010 at 5:06 PM
I don't even see the point in keeping all of my valued software current. A lot of software sure puts out new versions, but hardly adds anything truly substantial. Am I going to buy every new version of whatever I like using when it's released? No way, I've got bills to pay and a lot of them are asking a lot of money for hardly anything.
Poser sadly is among one of them. I'm not paying $99-$149 for each version that is released when often only gimmicks are added or features are added I wouldn't even use in a million years. For me buying every new version would be a complete waste of money and time. With Poser I'm getting the habit of skipping versions and I don't even get the feeling I miss out anything at all, besides bugs perhaps. I'm still paying the same amount of money as everyone who bought everything.
Funniest thing is that when comparing what people produce it doesn't even really matter which version of poser you use, it all kind of looks the same and never seems to really progress at all. Yes, my personal work is getting better, but that isn't version related. When looking to the people who really know how to use Poser, it doesn't really make lots of difference which version is being used. Some create stunning work with Poser 6, some with 7, some with Pro 1 and some with P8 and now some with 2010. But if you compare the really cool work there's hardly any difference.... it's all still the same old firefly rendering (with perhaps a lot of postwork) we've seen for years. It's still..... Poser.
I'm fine with skipping a version here and there, gives me some money to try out some other applications instead of blowing it all on one piece of software that often leaves me wondering why I even got the next version. I'm getting slowly to point where I'm wondering if I'm even going to consider buying the next version if the one I've got fulfills all of my needs.
I've been working with PP2010 for over 2 weeks now and I'm considering to uninstall it. I'm returning to P8. PP2010 adds nothing new for me and actually renders slower. It's P8 with some extra's I don't use and improvements I don't make use of either. If ever the day arises that I need to use it with one of the big guys like 3D Studio Max, I may install it again. But I don't think that day will come.
Artwork and 3DToons items, create the perfect place for you toon and other figures!
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?vendor=23722
Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(
Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk
Netherworks posted Sun, 21 March 2010 at 6:29 PM
I've had very little, if any, issues through the Poser years, from Poser 4 and up as far as the software being unstable or unusable. Admittedly, the only one that I skipped was Poser 5, until SR-3 came out.
As far as "is it worth it?", really every user is going to give a different answer... yes, no - with or without conditionals (poser version "x" or poser version "y").
I'd say look at the features comparison and see if it's worth it to you. If you are not going to use the new features, then it probably would be in your best interest to stick with what you are using now. You can still create and utilize most content from Poser 6 and up (you could even argue Poser 4 or 5 but I think there you start really running into content problems).
For me, the background rendering is a big plus, along with queue rendering (I haven't noticed it slower than Poser 8 but even if it were to some degree, you can still work in the foreground). I also really like the library. The docking/floating palettes are also a big plus but if you are on Poser 8, you already have that.
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