I logged on this morning to find my latest post featuring Ug! has been withdrawn from the gallery because he is not clothed. Hes not full frontal, hes laying face down on a table and you can see the side of his hip but this is obviously inflamatory to some peoples sensibilities  so the thumbnail cannot be shown. I can submit a new thumbnail but, you know, I just cant be bothered. Ugs not even human, for gods sake.
Following the comments in another post on the Bryce forum concerning those who dont slavishly thank the provider of every freebie they use in their images, which led to me disabling comments on my gallery, I have decided to find somewhere else to post my images in future so  Id like to thank all those whove  taken the time to view and comment on them in the past.  I hope this doesnt come across as a petulant "Im taknig my ball home" post but I cant stand such small minded attitudes and don`t wish to contribute to any site that has them.

 Sambucus, it's not that the nudity is inflammatory, it's that the rules apply equally to everyone.  The thumbnail guidelines are posted on the image upload page every time you upload an image, and have been around for over 3 years.

If you have problems regarding this, rather than posting in the forum, the best course of action would be to contact the staff member who wrote you, or to contact our admin team at admin@renderosity.com  You'll get a much faster response this way.

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I had the same issue.

I ended up signing up for a small business website with Yahoo and moved my former Rendo gallery over.

Now, I don't have to worry about being blocked from my RMP order history.

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I know they may not seem up to your standards, but they are the standards of the site nonetheless. The rules have been there for a long time now and though the administrators of the site appreciate it immensely if you read them before posting, they can't make you read them. However, they are obligated to make you follow them ;o). It doesn't matter much whether you agree or disagree with how they run things...it's a privately owned site, they allow you to post your images on their servers for free and as such, they have every right in the world to dictate how they are posted. The gallery guidelines are not a big secret and that's why I'm so baffled when I see things like this... when you became a member you agreed to abide by the rules :o). It's only then when people think "Well, that doesn't apply to my image, does it?" that there's a problem.

If you were a guest in someone's house and they didn't smoke, would you light up in their living room? If they didn't appreciate cursing, would you swear like a sailor? I doubt you would and the same things applies here. You're a guest. For as long as you're "in their house" - be courteous and follow their rules. It's a simple thing really ;o). If you disagree that strongly with the sensibilities of the site, perhaps you shouldn't be a member.

Is there a reason why you can't use a different thumb or the standard nudity thumb? They are there for a reason believe it or not. How would you like your kids to see some of the stuff that's posted here because someone else was at the computer surfing and it just popped up because there were no warnings? ;o). I personally wouldn't appreciated that, but that's just me...sigh. But like Jen said, if they do it for one, they have to do it for all regardless of whether or not you think it may be "harmless". Can you imagine the stink if they decided to arbitrarily pick and choose who had to follow the rules and who didn't?

Laurie

The issue for some Laurie is that if you get banned you lose access to your store history. I stopped posting here after a pic was removed for no valid reason that I could see. A supposed nude thumbnail that was actually clothed.  I can not afford to lose access to my store order history at the moment , because it runs to about 10,000 dollares for commercial use products, so I simply dont post pics.

If the two were seperate as they are on several other sites it would not be a problem.

They ban people for a thumbnail?? When did that happen? ;o).

I could see them banning someone if they're are - for want of a better word - a 'serial' nude thumb poster, but not for an "oops" every now and then ;o).

Laurie

Um, we don't ban people for JUST thumbnail violations.  It's not even considered a "real" violation.  You have to do it repeatedly, without attempting to rectify the situation, before we consider what you do in violation, and it takes multiple violations to get banned.  Basically, you'd have to post every day for roughly 2 weeks in violation of the thumbnail rule to get a 3-day ban.  It would take you more than a month of the same thing to get a permanent ban.  

;)  We're not as hard as some people like to make us out to be.

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I had to paint loin clothes on my zombies, and their genitals were rotted off, LOL! This was for a Halloween contest long ago here. Never use the auto generated thumbnail for nude images. That's how you can accidentily end up with nudes in thumbnails.

The thread in the Bryce forum did not at any point say one should "slavishly thank the provider of every freebie they use". It was about using entire scenes created by someone else, or complete renders as backgrounds, and letting people believe it was their own work. Big difference.

 aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand, let's not make this an argument.  Some people will have their opinions on some subjects.  I don't know the thread in question, because I haven't been as active as I normally am in the past few months.

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 There does need to be another way of enforcing this rule other that banning a person from the website..  This current system closes them out from downloads,  and also stops them from being able to purchase items from the Marketplace.

I do realise that some action needs to be taken,  but stopping an individual from purchasing must be considered to be a misguided business practice.

Restricted use of freebies and the galleries would be more appropriate IMHO..!!

Quote -  There does need to be another way of enforcing this rule other that banning a person from the website..  This current system closes them out from downloads,  and also stops them from being able to purchase items from the Marketplace.

I do realise that some action needs to be taken,  but stopping an individual from purchasing must be considered to be a misguided business practice.

Restricted use of freebies and the galleries would be more appropriate IMHO..!!

**Um, we don't ban people for JUST thumbnail violations.  It's not even considered a "real" violation.  You have to do it repeatedly, without attempting to rectify the situation, before we consider what you do in violation, and it takes multiple violations to get banned.  Basically, you'd have to post every day for roughly 2 weeks in violation of the thumbnail rule to get a 3-day ban.  It would take you more than a month of the same thing to get a permanent ban.  

;)  We're not as hard as some people like to make us out to be.**

Jen. this thread.

nuff said.

Quote -  There does need to be another way of enforcing this rule other that banning a person from the website..  This current system closes them out from downloads,  and also stops them from being able to purchase items from the Marketplace.

I do realise that some action needs to be taken,  but stopping an individual from purchasing must be considered to be a misguided business practice.

Restricted use of freebies and the galleries would be more appropriate IMHO..!!

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 I really don't understand where you guys get these ideas, but, you have to seriously do a WHOLE mess of TOS violating to get banned.  
We do our best to actually work with people, and, the only time we stop is after you have.  If you're not willing to work with us, there's not a whole hell of a lot we can do.  
But, when you DO violate the TOS, regardless of who you are, we have a job to do.  You're not going to get a candy-coated letter asking you to pretty please be a good boy and you'll get a biscuit.  We spell it out, as much as we can, and let you know that if you have any questions PLEASE ASK THEM.   We don't ban people willy nilly.  If someone's been banned, they've earned it in one way or another, with a string of violations, not just one or two.

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 For even more clarification:

Here's what we do.  If you can't make your thumbnail image for your image containing Nudity or Violence (or, in rare occurrences, salty language) conform to our Thumbnail Guidelines, we do this:

Place your image in holding (IT IS NOT DELETED)
Write you and let you know.
Give you 15 days (THAT'S A HALF OF A MONTH) to get back to us with either a new thumbnail or "Please use the Standard Content Advisory Thumbnail".
If you do nothing, the system purges your image.
If you respond, we will replace your thumbnail image.

If you don't respond directly to us, but, instead choose to bash us in the public forum, we reserve the right to defend ourselves.  Like I'm doing now.

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Best "I don't see why I have to obey the thumbnail rules" thread we've had in while :thumbupboth:

LOL nruddock ;o). Yes, they do happen on a semi-regular basis, don't they?

Laurie

Quote -  There does need to be another way of enforcing this rule other that banning a person from the website..  This current system closes them out from downloads,  and also stops them from being able to purchase items from the Marketplace.

I do realise that some action needs to be taken,  but stopping an individual from purchasing must be considered to be a misguided business practice.

Restricted use of freebies and the galleries would be more appropriate IMHO..!!

Alright, i'm going to add my couple cents on this. We DO NOT ban members for simple reasons. If your image has nudity in the thumbnail its put on "HOLD". You are not banned from the site unless you completely troll the forums or just continuously break the rules. We believe in making sure you as a member understand the rules. This has been told now twice by the staff.. understand we are here to help not make life worse. 

Sooo.. in that saying..maybe next on this thread should be questions more then a jump in thread.. huh? :)

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 I stand with My previous post..  Be it thumbnail,  image, or even inappropriate forum behavior.

I have lost count of gallery artists posting about the three day lockouts they have been punished with.

 Ok, Noel, then how do YOU suggest we handle people who repeatedly violate the TOS?  Give them gift certificates?  How about a fruit basket?

The simple fact is this:
Renderosity has rules.
You are expected to follow them.
The rule following is NOT contingent on whether or not you spent money in the store.
If you break the rules enough times, you get banned.

This happens here, DAZ, RDNA, and most likely other sites with stores.  You are not guaranteed access to the site (including purchases you've made) if you insist on not following the rules of the site.  We don't throw out bans like they're candy.  We take a long hard look at a member's history, and, in a lot of cases, we throw OUT past violations, if a member has worked hard to redeem themselves in the eyes of the community (and not just us).

The fact is, if you go into a brick and mortar store, and manage to get kicked out of their store, you're not allowed back in.  It's no different online, nor should it be.  Want to be able to perpetually access your items?  Don't get banned.

It's not hard to follow the rules.  They're not arbitrary, and they're spelled out.  With almost 50 staff members, there is a wealth of people to turn to to ask questions.

So, you can "stand by your previous statement", which is false, or get a clue.  We don't ban people for JUST thumbnail violations.  

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I like fruit baskets.

Laurie

oh. I don't want those.. can I have book tokens?

I wanna get banned too, I've never been banned anywhere yet   :crying:  Do you get a bad boy reputation? Girls like bad boys  :m_cigar:

 I never said any thing about thumbnail violations.  I was commenting in general about making the punishment fit the crime (or misdemeanor).  The Main Point (IMO) was in favor of Rendo's policy..
And also pointing out that if artists are banned,   they cannot Buy.  Isn't this where Renderosity's income is obtained.?
It seems archaic to stop artists spending when banning from the galleries and/or freestuff may be more in the financial intrest of Rendo.

Actually, I'd find it kinda distasteful myself if they banned someone and yet STILL allowed them to buy. But that's just me.

Laurie

Is there actually a way to disable a user's ability to post to the gallery while still retaining  his or her access to the market, forums and order history? 

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Laurie- I'll make sure to send you one next time you misbehave. :laugh:

Kaibach - Yes..but only the first time :laugh:

NoelCan- Once you are banned, you are banned from the whole site.

Paloth -** **Nope. Not that i'm aware of. **

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Quote - Laurie- I'll make sure to send you one next time you misbehave. :laugh:...**
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Well, I'm sure there's some trouble I can get into...

I especially like oranges, so make sure there's plenty in there...lol.

;o)

Laurie

Quote - > Quote - Laurie- I'll make sure to send you one next time you misbehave. :laugh:...**

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Well, I'm sure there's some trouble I can get into...

I especially like oranges, so make sure there's plenty in there...lol.

;o)

Laurie

Extra oranges..... got it! lol! :oP

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Quote - I wanna get banned too, I've never been banned anywhere yet   :crying:  Do you get a bad boy reputation? Girls like bad boys  :m_cigar:

Nah! I got banned from CP and all I got was a refund for Koji 1. :tt2:

"Well, I'm sure there's some trouble I can get into..."

LaurieA...

Quote one of my posts. Get you in trouble every time! ROFL.

So let me get this straight:

If we post renders without the characters wearing gloves, we'll be permanently banned from the internet for posting nude thumbnails, but we get a fruit basket as consolation?

:-P

 I suppose I could ask for Lemons.......   Old Sour Puss that I am..!!!

Seeing as how I'm Israeli, Prickly Pears would be more my style!
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Quote - So let me get this straight:

If we post renders without the characters wearing gloves, we'll be permanently banned from the internet for posting nude thumbnails, but we get a fruit basket as consolation?

:-P

You, Mr. Hatch, owe me a new keyboard.  This one is now sticky-coated with root beer :P

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And just to add my 2 pennies-sterling - if you have a problem in the Bryce forum or Gallery you come to me! I will explain in exquisite detail what needs to be done or undone to help you get along with the rules.

If you break the rules I will punish you! It will be excruciatingly painful. You will scream. You will cry and you'll probably want a cuddle from your mom. However, you should know that I may be cruel but I'm fair. I treat everyone with the same devastating brutality.

**And when all is said and done we're only talking about an acking thumbnail image here! **

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And in my final hours - I would cling rather to the tattooed hand of kindness - than the unblemished hand of hate...

I have only been spanked once, I actually made the thumbnail, but the cloth covering the raisin like bits was a bit too sheer.  It was handled exactly as described, I changed the thumbnail, and the posting went up.  No big deal.

Now, if the raisins are standing at attention in an image, I post it at another site.  Sounds like bend-her-bod-ica.

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i have gotten  away  with this thumbnail,  and ones similar to  it, for  some time now .

It is not  really  a human  yet,  and I wonder if that  it why  I was not spanked.

But I realize  its is prob  violation of  TOS  so  I will  change it to  the generic  warning  now.

BTW   This was a case of  just  using  the thumbnail  generator  and it was laziness and I didn't  bother to  consider  that  i was  thumb genrating nudity ....

why  was I not spanked for this I wonder.

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 modelling WIPS are held to a different "standard" if you will.  That is obviously a disembodied torso with no texture, and, as such, we consider it close to what we would with a statue in a photograph.  

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Quote - If you break the rules I will punish you! It will be excruciatingly painful. You will scream. You will cry and you'll probably want a cuddle from your mom. However, you should know that I may be cruel but I'm fair. I treat everyone with the same devastating brutality.

I can attest to TheBrysters utter brutality, I've been in therapy ever since my last infraction.
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Like drifterlee I had to paint pants on my zombies for a halloween competition. No big deal I'd missread "humanoid" as "human", honest mistake which I corrected without being flayed alive.

I did once use the auto thumbnail option assuming it would generate the standard advisory thumb but spotted and corrected it myself.

I do have a question though. Are skeletons classed as "humanoid" when it comes to nudity advisories?

*Are skeletons classed as "humanoid" when it comes to nudity advisories?

*Skeletons would not be classed as nude assuming they were without clothing. However, perhaps interestingly, if said skeleton was sticking a sword in a human/living creature/your cat that would constitute violence. On the other hand, if a human was sticking a sword in a skeleton this would not be considered violence as a skeleton is presumed to be dead. 

But hey! I don't make the rules.

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And in my final hours - I would cling rather to the tattooed hand of kindness - than the unblemished hand of hate...

 I Must be the only individual who had a "Content Advisory" thumbnail removed and replaced with an "Auto Generated " thumbnail which contained nudity..!

I was sent an SM explaining that since My image was not "Violent"  ( I had it flagged as Nudity and Violence.)  It did not warrant a content advisory,  the advisory was removed Before any consulting with Me.  This was the point when I got STUPID enough to get Myself banned for several weeks.

I broke most of the rules in the TOS because of the frustration I was feeling towards one particular individual.  Together with My inability to communicate an adequate explanation of what My issue was to other members of the Rendo team.  It seems such a small thing now  ( More than one year ago ) but at the time it felt like My integrity as an individual was being challenged..  So repeating what I stated above...   I WAS  STUPID ENOUGH TO GET MYSELF BANNED.   Anyone who wants to try this.....   DON'T DO IT....!!!!!!

I sincerely thank the individuals who were "Gracious" enough to let Me Come back..

"I WAS  STUPID ENOUGH TO GET MYSELF BANNED.   Anyone who wants to try this.....   DON'T DO IT....!!!!!!"

But what if we REALLY,REALLY, want that Basket of Fruit?!?!?!
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You Guys have it easy here
I am on my THIRD "identity" over at CG society.

My first offense:
After being a member for 5 years I mentioned in a thread that I ripped My personal  DVD copy  of  "Dune"  along with many other DVD titles to my Firewire Drive
and Tossed the original DVD discs& Cases in the dumpster
when I was forced to move from my Old Apartment in VA  with only what I could physically carry ( back pack,Duffel & laptop)

I was "Banned for life" for  "movie piracy" which "hurts the Film effects industry"

Second Offense:  under a new Identity, I described Working in the Film Effects Industry as
"18 hour a day wage Slavery"
 
And was promptly "banned for Life"by  "Leigh" for 'polluting her forums with my ignorant garbage"

This Despite a Huge Sticky Thread on the front page Called "the  unofficial truth about  the CG Industry"
A thread which Describes in  sickening Detail the Life sucking 18+ hour a day 7 day/week Lifestyle of CG artist working on major  film projects& Game titles..
 
During each "Exile" I could Not unsubscribe from their
SPAM ( err "newsletter) Exhorting me to Buy their Books and training DVD's from their store and would NOT let me remove MY images from my ,now locked, Galleries

Now under my third Identity My Forum participation there is Minimal
largely restricted to technical discussions in the C4D forum.

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hold on. you were banned for life, then made a new ident, was banned for life again and then you went back..

what part of 'BANNED FOR LIFE' is hard to understand?
they don't want you there. you are BANNED. they have exercised their right to exclude you. you are BANNED.

it's not rocket science!

Quote - hold on blah....blah....blah...blah..blah

what part of 'BANNED FOR LIFE' is hard to..
blah....blah....blah...blah..blah

The part where you hit the "join now" button and rejoin under a new indentity and go back to the C4d Forum and ask about matter related to the mograph module, Vray rendering etc. from the action
MAXON employees that frequent the forum.

Leigh's "lifetime banishments" are a joke
which is probably why they are so quick to impose them.

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Hey  wolf  isn't  circumventing a ban by using an alias also  a ban -worthy  offense???

LOL !

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Quote - Hey  wolf  isn't  circumventing a ban by using an alias also  a ban -worthy  offense???

LOL !

Hi
Apparently not they are an international site
who makes no effort to block IP's

With the exception of obvious trolls&malcontents
certain mods ever there realize that bannings are more of a public wrist slap and quite arbritrary.
depending on the moderators mood.
No big Deal I just thought it was funny how they are more than willing to keep $$$Selling$$$ you books&training DVD's in their store
even after banning you "for Life"  from the forums. 

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I run a large forum (million and a half posts). People get banned for behavior, if they re-register and don't cause any more problems, then the problem's solved as far as I'm concerned. :-)

On the thumbnails, I don't get what's so hard about using photoshop to select a 200 x 200 area of the render that doesn't show any objectionable material.
I used to post to the galleries, but not hardly at all anymore and have deleted all my older renders. It seems sort of like trying to make art to impress artists.
I wasted quite a few years trying to play music that would impress musicians, but never made any money until I started "Playing what's paying." :-)

Quote - what part of 'BANNED FOR LIFE' is hard to understand?

It is a very difficult concept, just ask Ron Knights

Quote - > Quote - what part of 'BANNED FOR LIFE' is hard to understand?

It is a very difficult concept, just ask Ron Knights

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That guy just keeps turning up like a bad penny...lol. Well, if he ever wanted to achieve fame (or infamy in his case), I think he did that at least ;o).

Laurie

Who was Ron Knights, and why was he banned?
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I was banned from Posetteforever because I am friends with DPHoadley, who was also banned. They had a sign on their site that said "If you are freinds with DPHoadley, go away." or something like that. It was all very strange.

Quote - I was banned from Posetteforever because I am friends with DPHoadley, who was also banned. They had a sign on their site that said "If you are freinds with DPHoadley, go away." or something like that. It was all very strange.

I seem to have a talent for rubbing some people the wrong way!  The ladies who congregate at the North & South board at IMDb hate me too, especially after I poserized Richard Armitage and Sin'ead Cusack for my Firelight series.  They say its because of my  ocassional off-color humor, but I find that a bit hard to believe in this day and age.  After all, we've ALL been through the sixties!
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Quote - I was banned from Posetteforever because I am friends with DPHoadley, who was also banned. They had a sign on their site that said "If you are freinds with DPHoadley, go away." or something like that. It was all very strange.

Yes, Dave, you are a wild one! Spreading dissent wherever you go, LOL!

Quote - Yes, Dave, you are a wild one! Spreading dissent wherever you go, LOL!

You WILL tell me I hope if and when I overdo it sometimes, yes?!  I really do like to be friends with people, but it IS difficult for me to take life all that seriously, after living in a war zone.
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Ron Knights! Haven't heard that name in a while. I don't think there's a site out there that hasn't banned Ron at least once.

Posette Forever wouldn't let me join, because I use Earthlink. They said I'd have to change my IP if I wanted into their special club. 'scuse me?

What would the net be without all the whackadoodles? Pretty boring, actually.

I'm originally from Detroit - now that is also a war zone.

Quote - I'm originally from Detroit - now that is also a war zone.

I'm  married.....   does that count..???

44 years 6 months and 28 days and 22 hours...!!!

Quote - 44 years 6 months and 28 days and 22 hours...!!!

And you don't know the minutes and seconds?!! I'm disappointed.

;)

Laurie

Quote - > Quote - 44 years 6 months and 28 days and 22 hours...!!!

And you don't know the minutes and seconds?!! I'm disappointed.

;)

Laurie

I do..   But they are out of date sooo quickly..    Like even before I write them down...!!

BTW...  What has happened to the lemons I asked for..??    Surely I have the BEST ban of them all...!!!    That's GOTTA deserve lemons..

and the banned played on.

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Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together.
All things connect......Chief Seattle, 1854

Quote - I run a large forum (million and a half posts). People get banned for behavior, if they re-register and don't cause any more problems, then the problem's solved as far as I'm concerned. :-)

On the thumbnails, I don't get what's so hard about using photoshop to select a 200 x 200 area of the render that doesn't show any objectionable material.
I used to post to the galleries, but not hardly at all anymore and have deleted all my older renders. It seems sort of like trying to make art to impress artists.
I wasted quite a few years trying to play music that would impress musicians, but never made any money until I started "Playing what's paying." :-)

Its not that hard to crop a 200x200 square from your nude images i agree, i do it on a frequent basis when i upload my own images.

*"Its not that hard to crop a 200x200 square from your nude images i agree, i do it on a frequent basis when i upload my own images."

I don't think that it's the cropping that's the problem, but rather finding a way so that they don't exceed 15K.
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In the current versions of Photoshop, the 15k issue is not a problem if you know where to look.  Many individuals just don't take the time to learn specific aspects of their own software. 

Quote - In the current versions of Photoshop, the 15k issue is not a problem if you know where to look.  Many individuals just don't take the time to learn specific aspects of their own software. 

True, but then, like the 4th Son at the Passover Seder, there's always someone who doesn't know what and/or how to ask.
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And how true.

And that's when it's also art again. Filesize management can be an art form in and of itself!

 

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I first crop a 200 by 200 pixel part of the render -I do pinups - so usually it's the girl's face. Then I run it through Photoshop's Image Ready to get a thumbnail under 12 kb.

Quote - I was banned from Posetteforever because I am friends with DPHoadley, who was also banned. They had a sign on their site that said "If you are freinds with DPHoadley, go away." or something like that. It was all very strange.

Oh I forgot all about Postteforever! I got banned from there for being rude to their forum AI Posey and refusing to apologise to a piece of software!

I crop in Photoshop and "Save for the web". There's a quality slider. Just slide 'till you get your 15kb, job done.

For those visual oriented individuals, the image above shows exactly where to go in Photoshop CS series in *Save for the web. *

This second image will open the window where you input your 15k limit.

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Getting back to the subject of thumbnails, gallery images, and banning...

First, although it may sound harsh: if you don't like Renderosity's rules, post somewhere else. Personally, I like DeviantArt: they don't require a thumbnail, so you can post an image without worrying if the thumbnail will be "bad".

Second, I don't think the original poster is saying the rules don't apply to him. Like many other artists, I think he's questioning why the nudity-rule applies to an image which he thinks doesn't have any nudity in it.
To use a previous example, it would be like walking into a house with a "no cigarettes" rule but carrying a cigarette box in your purse. The rule is obviously in place because the people in the house don't want smoking, but they still tell the visitor with the cigarette box to get out, even though the visitor wouldn't be smoking in their house.

I had a similar issue with an image back in February: the figure was clothed in lingerie, but someone, somehow could sort-of see nudity through the clothing. By my calculation, the "nudity" in the thumbnail was probably around 10 pixels in size. But, again, rules are rules and I shouldn't have uploaded a thumbnail with nudity.
My image was flagged, I was told to upload a new thumbnail image, and that a mark would be placed on my member record.

Although people may not get banned for accidentally posting a thumbnail with nudity, I've always wondered how many "marks" it takes to get banned. I've been a member here for literally 10 years (I joined in March 2000), so I sometimes wonder if all of my "marks" will eventually add up.
Will the "bad thumbnail" I posted in 2001 still count against me? What about a "bad forum post" I may have posted in 2002? Maybe the image I posted in 2010 will be enough to finally get me banned.

Seriously, though, I sometimes wonder if posting artistic nude images is even worth risking a "mark". Since February, I've made sure that none of my gallery images even come to showing any kind of nudity: the figures are either fully clothed or the image is a head-shot/ portrait.

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The answers to your questions are no, no and no...lol.

I doubt highly that something you did in 2004 would count against you now ;o).

Laurie

Yup... things you did in 2004, are accumulated under you build up enough points to get yourself kicked out... been there done that!

Just wondering though, where in the TOS is says that after a while... like a few years or something of good behaviour, you get to earn your points back. I think I've been here for 6 years and in that time posted 1700 odd images. Yup... I've screwed up in a few of them, not intentionally, had my hand smacked, endured the 3 day banning. I think the next time I make a mistake, I'm for the chopping block. 
But!!! where is the system that one can one get some of these bad points back? Eventually, the way the system works, everyone over time will be banned from the site for accidents or oversights caused by being human and not machines. I guess that's the interface problem with computers.

This is not a total gripe... I understand this is a private site and rules is rules... but please for heavens sake wipe a few of the bad marks off the slate after a while and not accumulate them so you can eventually pull the big plug on everyone.

Ok, I shuddup now, go back to rendering....

Again, (and the mods have already said it over and over)....

YOU DON'T GET BANNED FOR NUDITY IN THUMBNAILS!!!!

Period.

If you post a few in 2004 and you post a few today you aren't gonna get banned. Not for a freakin' nude thumbnail! RGUS, I suggest you go back a few posts and maybe reread all of this thread before you really confuse someone.

Now, why doesn't this damn thread die like it should? If you really want to find out what the rules are, try reading the TOS!

Laurie

DIE, thread, DIE!

signed, scanmead the great and terrible killer of threads...

I'm going to step in here as a Mod and explain a couple of things.

Almost every time an image is flagged it is viewed by many Mods and Coords who discuss it in detail. Only when a concensus is reached does the appropriate and often more lenient penalty get handed down.

As for not being banned for nudity in thumbanils, what LaurieA says is true - unless of course you want to make a career out of it!

In the end I have to say that we are only talking about thumbnail images. Why people get all out of shape because they are required to produce an inoquous thumbnail-sized square representation of their latest work is beyond me.

But just for the heck of it, consider this. How would a normal average everyday person feel if by chance their impressionable young child suddenly noticed that the page on display on the computer just happened to be a thumbnail gallery which was full of the most obscene and violent images ever conjored up by artists on this site. And, how long do you think Renderosity would continue to garner advertising revenue if the world at large regarded it as a third rate porn site?

You don't have to pay to be here - you just have to obey a few simple rules and learn how to upload your art properly.

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Quote - I'm going to step in here as a Mod and explain a couple of things.

Almost every time an image is flagged it is viewed by many Mods and Coords who discuss it in detail. Only when a concensus is reached does the appropriate and often more lenient penalty get handed down.

As for not being banned for nudity in thumbanils, what LaurieA says is true - unless of course you want to make a career out of it!

In the end I have to say that we are only talking about thumbnail images. Why people get all out of shape because they are required to produce an inoquous thumbnail-sized square representation of their latest work is beyond me.

But just for the heck of it, consider this. How would a normal average everyday person feel if by chance their impressionable young child suddenly noticed that the page on display on the computer just happened to be a thumbnail gallery which was full of the most obscene and violent images ever conjored up by artists on this site. And, how long do you think Renderosity would continue to garner advertising revenue if the world at large regarded it as a third rate porn site?

You don't have to pay to be here - you just have to obey a few simple rules and learn how to upload your art properly.

Within the "hypothetical" situation described above,   can anyone explain what happened to Me
regarding the thumbnail issue that I described in this thread earlier..   I was complying EXACTLY with the TOS..!     It was a mistake by Rendo that started the ball rolling into the situation that got Me banned..?

Ok, now that I'm not still half asleep like I was for my last post and have had time to moderate my mood, let me apologize for getting snippy. My point was, it's been mentioned over and over in this thread by people who know that a nude thumb isn't going to get anyone banned. What I meant by the thread "dying" is that by now, having heard from mods and the like, that this should now be a non-issue. When people keep coming in and saying that you will get banned for a nude thumb when it's been made clear that you don't and won't ruffles my feathers somewhat ;o). It's confusing to the newer members who might now be worried now about posting to the gallery when they shouldn't be. I was just inviting everyone who has a question to read the TOS is all ;o)....lol. The TOS is written plainly, it's not written in lawyer-speak or anything that the average person can't understand. It's there to familiarize yourself with the way things work. I just wish some people would become more familiar with it and we wouldn't have posts like this ;o).

/end rant

Laurie

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Within the "hypothetical" situation described above,   can anyone explain what happened to Me
regarding the thumbnail issue that I described in this thread earlier..   I was complying EXACTLY with the TOS..!     It was a mistake by Rendo that started the ball rolling into the situation that got Me banned..?

TAKE IT directly to a mod through site mail, please! Do you really want to air any dirty laundry in the general forums? The mods and coords all have sitemail. They exist to help and answer questions. USE them. They like it. They CRAVE it. Please don't make them feel unneeded and useless...lol. They are here to serve (they have badges and everything...)

Well, maybe I embroidered that a teensy bit, but you get the point I hope ;o).

Laurie

   Quote  "  TAKE IT directly to a mod through site mail, please! Do you really want to air any dirty laundry in the general forums? The mods and coords all have sitemail. They exist to help and answer questions. USE them. They like it. They CRAVE it. Please don't make them feel unneeded and useless...lol. They are here to serve (they have badges and everything...)

Well, maybe I embroidered that a teensy bit, but you get the point I hope ;o).

Laurie""  end Quote..

Laurie,  This is all old news anyway.  but I think it is appropriate for this thread.   I did all of those things over a period of several days..  Each post getting Me more frustrated than the last..   For some reason I was unable to communicate the situation in a way that was understandable to anyone..  Tracey was the only person who came close to understanding the situation.  and I believe it was Her good work that got Me back on line with Renderosity..

Ho Hum... yeah I think the horse is dead now... everyone can stop flogging it...

I believe the rules have been explained quite well by myself and other staff members.  There is no need to continue on about this subject. If you have any further questions about the TOS or thumbnail guidelines please contact myself or any other staff member. We will be happy to answer your questions.

For the reason above, i'm locking this thread.

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