I have all the previous kids, and hardly every use them, accept around the holidays when I can make cute cards with them. I also do not see kids used that much by anyone, not even the Fairy people. They use Aiko more. I am just curious. Will people be using them much?

Not at all in there present form.
and I use kids more often, than I do Naked Vics.

I haven't even downloaded the free ones. I've got better things to waste my hard drive space on...lol.

Laurie

I use them almost exclusively, them and Koshini etc.  Sharen

Well, I grab everything free, LOL!

Perhaps for comedy?

I will use them a lot.

Pure trash

Hey, DAZ is bragging at how big of a hit they are. Even have a bunch of PA's telling you they are the best thing since slice bread. Like PA's are going to say anything but.

I thought EVERYTHING Daz makes is the best thing since sliced bread? You mean it's not???!!!

;o)

Laurie

So, I take it you are not rapturous over the KidZ4? Me either! They don't bother me either- they seem quiet and well behaved. In fact this is the first time I heard about them.

 I am sure there are plenty who will get them. There are many popular "Manga-esque" characters that I will never use-being more into attempted realism-but plenty of people do enjoy them.,

True I would like to see a V5 sooner than later. I would not be surprised if they had one already- just waiting for the average user to be using Intel i7 chips and 512 bit video cards -

 So far I don't think I have rendered ANY of the kids- going back 11 years- but then I rarely render Mike either- don't use S3,  V1,2, or 3 anymore for that matter. Just good ole V4.2 and sometimes Jessi "The Conehead" as I think of her. Better with hair! Allyson might be good-

 

I am actually contemplating on returning the kids and all of the content for them as I am very unhappy with them the only thing I was really interested in was the toddler which is yeah not really useful at all in poser, I am not into re-rigging it so I can make one animation with it then put it aside again... so yeah scrapping that project and saving a bunch of money instead!

hmmmm, I am disappointed a little in them, I can return them?  Did not know that.  Sharen

DAZ is very reasonable about returns within 30 days of purchase. You can get either a voucher to spend there or your money back.

edit for spelling, maybe. Time for a new keyboard. Not that that will help. LOL.

Since they're free, many will download them and hardly anyone will use them. As with most items, they just end up in a runtime for later use, waiting for the time that you actually need them. Everyone knows that time never comes, but the runtimes just keep on growing.

We all go with the latest hype, it doesn't matter if we need it or not. It's an addiction. We render 1 or 2 images with them, then wonder why we even bought them and move on to the next hype. They will end up like the Mil3 kids...... only few use them and everyone begs for new ones. when the nex ones arrives, the same thing happens again. Only few will use the Mil4 kids, everyone will be begging for the Mil5 kids when the time comes.

DAZ just keeps on releasing crap..... everyone buys, lot's complain, but when new crap is released, we all buy again. Never sending DAZ a substantial message, just letting them release whatever crap they like and buying it regardless of how good or bad it is. People should really start sending DAZ a message, especially Poser users, stop treating us this way and please stop releasing badly done figures. A good boycott may sent a good wake up call to DAZ. But we all know that will never happen........ we're addicted too much :-)

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Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(

Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk

The content support for these kids from the get go is fantastic... but the kids themselves look weird and would need a lot of user adjustment to make them look like kids and not small scaled V4 and M4.... in my opinion.

But again... the content available for them out of the gate is fantastic... much better than in past kids releases

Quote - I thought EVERYTHING Daz makes is the best thing since sliced bread? You mean it's not???!!!

Every new product is the best thing since sliced bread according to the marketing department, no matter who is selling and what. It's their friggin' job.

If you must insist on trolling, at the very least you could put some real effort into it.

Okay my turn to "troll".  I never purchase the latest and greatest .  That includes cars, software, homes and getting in on the "GOLD" purchasing craze.  I let other folks beta test the stuff first and in a few years, I might purchase it--maybe except the GOLD craze--never.  Jan

Quote - > Quote - I thought EVERYTHING Daz makes is the best thing since sliced bread? You mean it's not???!!!

Every new product is the best thing since sliced bread according to the marketing department, no matter who is selling and what. It's their friggin' job.

If you must insist on trolling, at the very least you could put some real effort into it.

Oh, apparently you just haven't been around as long as some of us, or you'd recognize sarcasm.

Laurie

Hey Laurie, want me to beat him over the head with my 3D digital stone axe? :biggrin:
dph

  STOP PALESTINIAN CHILD ABUSE!!!! ISLAMIC HATRED OF JEWS

Quote - Hey Laurie, want me to beat him over the head with my 3D digital stone axe? :biggrin:
dph

NO! LOL.  I have a board with nails in it for just that purpose ;o).

Seriously though hoplaa, those of us who have been around since Daz started and know all the history know where my sarcasm comes from. I even poke fun at myself with that comment that I made, because I used to buy every damn figure they released, whether I needed it or not before I became a little more discriminating in what I spent my money on. We were ALL Daz poor at some point ;o). Of course, then Daz used to support Poser because Poser supported them. Seems they don't feel that way anymore...

Laurie

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - I thought EVERYTHING Daz makes is the best thing since sliced bread? You mean it's not???!!!

Every new product is the best thing since sliced bread according to the marketing department, no matter who is selling and what. It's their friggin' job.

If you must insist on trolling, at the very least you could put some real effort into it.

Oh, apparently you just haven't been around as long as some of us, or you'd recognize sarcasm.

I did recognize the sarcasm, otherwise I wouldn't have had any reason to react to it. I just saw it as flame bait. It's just all this accusatory nonsense getting on my nerves.

Anyway, it was an over reaction on my part, and I apologize.

Don't apologize. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, just like everyone else.

Laurie

I have the free base and the smaller pack (morphs, some clothes and characters).

It is a small child of no more than 4 years. There are no morphs (or other cr2s) included to depict other ages like a 6 or 8 year old child. These would have so very different proportions all over, you can't just scale them. Somehow I had expected to get just that, children from about 4 to about 8 years old. Dumb old me.

So, if you need a Kindergartenchild, the Kid4 maybe right. But I won't try to send it to school, it maybe get laughed at and suffer severe personality damages. ;)

I'm thinking about returning the pack I paid for. But on the other hand, the included hairstyles (fitting other figures too) alone maybe worth keeping it. But why do I complain. I never used the 'old' kids either. Coming to think of that now, they weren't looking all bad ... the old ones. And they may do well for the actual image I  intend to make with a 10 year old girl and boy in it.  ;)

BTW, Corvas' abilities are needed again. The K4 has the same armpit problem as the other Gen4 people. ;)

Quote - Don't apologize. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, just like everyone else.

Right, well excuse me for wanting to be civil. I can see how this must seem very unusual behavior around here.

See, I can do this too ;)

Actually, I was being sincere. But I see now you're baiting. I'm done.

Laurie

Quote - Actually, I was being sincere. But I see now you're baiting. I'm done.

You know what I wrote after that smiley emoticon, but edited out?

"Please don't take this seriously"

Sometimes I hate forums and the lack of cues for meaning and intent.

Um, yea, it is true that there's no way one can really interpret one's meaning from typed text. I guess I'm the one should be sorry now ;o). I apologize.

Now, what was this thread about? lol. Oh yes...Daz Kids4...

Laurie

 I actually had big plans for the kids...and am kind of let down that if I want to use them properly, I HAVE TO use DS.  sigh

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 I might use the doll-type morphs for art projects, but otherwise, most unlikely that I'd be using the Kids 4 for much else.

Eternal Hobbyist

 

Much as I've tried to use D|S, I just can't get around it in a way that I can do anything fruitful ;o). I'm stuck with Poser, love it or hate it...lol. At least there I kinda, sorta know what I'm doing. I think...lol.

Laurie

I've never been tempted to get Studio - Poser works for me and I don't want to spend time learning new software - I just don't see the point.  I'd rather spend time learning new tricks in Poser than re-learning in Studio things I already can do in Poser.

I do have DS installed, but I'm not enjoying it at all. The only reason I do have it is to make sure my products are DS compatible. As a vendor I do find it a lot of hassle having to make sure everything works in Poser and DS. I'm creating for Poser, but since a lot of DS users like to toon items I do create as well, I'm forced to learn an application I would never use myself. I'm so happy every time I can exit DS and return to good old Poser.

Artwork and 3DToons items, create the perfect place for you toon and other figures!

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?vendor=23722

Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(

Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk

Quote - Much as I've tried to use D|S, I just can't get around it in a way that I can do anything fruitful ;o). I'm stuck with Poser, love it or hate it...lol. At least there I kinda, sorta know what I'm doing. I think...lol.

Laurie

Hey Laurie!

I would love to hear what you would like to see in a new DAZ Studio, even GUI wise ;)  We are open for feedback always! Feel free to PM me or Hak over at DAZ and share.  We are collecting ideas and customer feedback for future and current versions.

~G

I don't think it's a question of GUI so much as my brain just not wanting to relearn in another program what I've already learned in Poser...lol. In Poser, I know where to go right away, what to do. In D|S I'd have to relearn all that and there's a mental block there. I have worked with DSA, but it's so slow for me to come round to that it just wasn't practical since I have so many other things going on right now, both in RL and modeling/content wise ;o). Very definitely the hardest part were the materials and surfaces. Nothing like Poser...so much so that I was totally lost.

If only 3D programs were more like 2D programs, which all work in a somewhat similar way - at least enough to get by, but 3D programs are so diverse...lol.

Laurie

Also, I have a LOT of years invested in Poser, not just to mention the expense. It took me a long, long time to learn my way around. I like it now and I like the way it works, even the parts that drive me nuts ;o).

Laurie

 Oh yes thats a good one, a material room thats more than sliders and drop downs. Maybe a little more visual.  Hey thanks, let me put that on the list. ;)

As for the Topic, I'll say yes, very much so, some of the outfits and hairs out now are too cute ;)

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=2045009

I definitely will never learn ds just for their limiting content. I like Poser and will stay with Poser regardless of daz  cracking the whip.

As for hairs/outfits, if it's not made for Poser I dont buy.

Attached Link: Just a quick Carrara test.

BTW the Toddler is not DAZ Studio only. :)

Further People were claiming that Poser Pro 2010 fixed the scaling bug that affects the Toddler, Freak 4, and Apollo. If SM doesn't want to put that fix into Poser 8 as well, how is that DAZ3D's fault?

"If SM doesn't want to put that fix into Poser 8 as well, how is that DAZ3D's fault?"

who says they don't? there's a SR coming for P8...

Quote - "If SM doesn't want to put that fix into Poser 8 as well, how is that DAZ3D's fault?"

who says they don't? there's a SR coming for P8...

Good. It is about time this bug was addressed. :)

Well, I have perfectly good Mill 3 kids to use, plus the old millenium kids that also work ok. Why waste money on kids 4. For what reason?

DAZ QA and Smith Micro QA to worked together closely to find a solution for the scaling issue in Poser.  This fix is going to be rolled back to Poser 8 most likely in the service release. This is a great example of two sides coming together for the customers. ;)

~G 

oh no. please. talk normally.. not in salestalk.. teeth on edge please I beg of you... I come in here to get away from that sobs nooooooooooo

runs for safety

Poser scaling is not broken, its ds who changed.

And Poser users you heard it directly from daz_dave up there, are their motives for not supporting Poser and their intentions for Poser users still in doubt?  Not for me.

 Lol ok no problem Kaibach. I usually abhor it too ;)

Quote - oh no. please. talk normally.. not in salestalk.. teeth on edge please I beg of you... I come in here to get away from that sobs nooooooooooo

runs for safety

giggle ;o)

Laurie

Quote - Poser scaling is not broken, its ds who changed.

Tell that to Anton's Apollo. (Not the only Non-DAZ figure it affects, just the most obvious.) 

BTW if it isn't broken why did SM fix it for Poser Pro 2010?

Quote - And Poser users you heard it directly from daz_dave up there, are their motives for not supporting Poser and their intentions for Poser users still in doubt?  Not for me.

I am confused, got a link? I don't see a daz_dave post.

perhaps for the conforming clothing.

Poser scaling is far superior anyway, so ds can just move on IMO.

Antonia scales much better than any daz figure ever did, and does it in Poser and ds.

Quote - perhaps for the conforming clothing.

Which is exactly the bug that causes F4 and the Toddler not to work correctly. Without clothing they work just fine. The Conforming Clothing is the issue.

As for scaling, I disagree as to which works better, but that is just an opinion, and we are both entitled to those. :) 

Quote - > Quote - perhaps for the conforming clothing.

Which is exactly the bug that causes F4 and the Toddler not to work correctly. Without clothing they work just fine. The Conforming Clothing is the issue.

As for scaling, I disagree as to which works better, but that is just an opinion, and we are both entitled to those. :) 

Bull, I can go into Poser right now and fix the toddler-f4 scaling problem just by actually setting the Poser scaling up.  glaseye has already made a fix.

Actually I cant go fix it since I deleted all my daz content.

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - perhaps for the conforming clothing.

Which is exactly the bug that causes F4 and the Toddler not to work correctly. Without clothing they work just fine. The Conforming Clothing is the issue.

As for scaling, I disagree as to which works better, but that is just an opinion, and we are both entitled to those. :) 

Bull, I can go into Poser right now and fix the toddler-f4 scaling problem just by actually setting the Poser scaling up.  glaseye has already made a fix.

Actually I cant go fix it since I deleted all my daz content.

Again, then why would SM fix it? 

Let me get this straight, you can use Apollo's clothing with scaling on Apollo as conformers instead of posing them separately and applying the scaling separately in Poser? I would love a tutorial on how to do that, if you have time.

If you don't have time, no big deal, I have other software that handles it correctly, the way Anton designed it without work arounds. :)

I dont have Apollo, but I can fix the toddlers-f4's broken legs and arms, by setting up the scaling for Poser. Which also has to be done for each item of conforming clothing. It should have been done in the first place. It doesn't effect the ds single scale crap only how the figure scales in Poser.  If you want an example of properly set up Poser scaling then go look at Antonia, but you wont, you just repeat what others tell you is the problem.

phantom3d had some videos already that explained the supposed "poser bug" but they seem to be gone. There are these little vids which shows a bit about Poser scaling set up, its the same process for each bone.

www.youtube.com/watch
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Oh hell!  I dont want to get drawn into any arguments here but here are the three videos explaining how to fix the F4 scaling thing. I just showed the collar/shldr, you'll have to extrapolate for the rest. It is all the same process.

anyway they are easy to fix but it takes time, and I am sure the problems with the kids are likely to be the same old same old. Of course since the poser scaling was not set up in the first place (at least IMHO,) You will have to adjust the scaling for every conforming item made from the f'd up rig, since they will all have the same problems as the base figure that they were made from.

Now I have said my piece and I dont want to argue I dont have time.  This is the way I see it and it works for me. :laugh:

www.youtube.com/watch
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www.youtube.com/watch

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A HOMELAND FOR POSER FINALLY

Sorry, in answer to the original post. No I wont be using the kids. not because of what ever is wrong with them but because I dont do any rendered scenes at all. I have not downloaded them yet but I will eventually get to it. I do like to look out of curiosity.

cheers,
Mike.

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A HOMELAND FOR POSER FINALLY

Quote - You will have to adjust the scaling for every conforming item made from the f'd up rig ...

Is that still true for PoserPro 2010 which is supposed to be able to include the scaling channels during conforming ?

I dont know for the kids, I have not looked.  But for F4 yes because M4 Poser scaling was never set up correctly in the first place, so it doesn't matter wheather or not the conforming clothing scales with the figure or not it will still have the same flaws as the original rig. Poser scaling is not so important in D/S and is alot of work to set up, but for Poser it's absolutely essential that the scaling is set up, and done right.

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A HOMELAND FOR POSER FINALLY

Well since they work in Poser 2010, again reportedly, I don't have 2010, then they aren't broken but work. And since the bug was resolved, then the issue clearly was Poser's not the figure's.

I certainly am not going to "Fix" M4 and his clothing, Apollo, and his clothing, and the Kids and their clothing, when they work, out of the box just fine. I have neither the time nor the inclination.

I get it you have something against DAZ3D. I don't care what it is. I have neither the time nor inclination to deal with that hatred either.

Good luck all.

I see the M4 puffy shoulder problem I always suffer when trying to fit a shirt to him, or really to any of he, M3, D3 and even Hiro.

me..I've done 1 pic with a kid in it, in the last 9 years. Haven't bothered to download any kid figures at all (having real ones around is enough for me...;)

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)

Some of you guys sound like the Tea Party of 3D; bashing DAZ no matter what they do or what they release, sticking to archaic and outdated figures out of principle, and proudly exclaiming your runtimes are DAZ-free. Why do you always have to bitch about everything, can't you ever try following that old saying, how does it go?...if you can't say something nice, shut the freaking hell up.   :)

SnowS

my DeviantArt page: http://snowsultan.deviantart.com/

 

I do not speak as a representative of DAZ, I speak only as a long-time member here. Be nice (and quit lying about DAZ) and I'll be nice too.

Well I have found that mixing the G4 body, V4´s FBM´s and breastmorphs with Lyrra´s "V4 shape of a woman" (DAZ) gives some decent preteens, I´ll put up a render or two when I´m done with my "American Outlaw" series.

But I think I made some progress allready with V4, in this render:
www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1777990&user_id=530312&np&np
She´s supposed to be about 11-12 years old.

I am not sure how I am supposed to shut the freaking hell up when I need to figure out if I need to return my purchase or if I can maybe fix it I spend about 5k dollars on daz products a year alone and I feel that I have the right to voice my concerns and find solutions other then switch to DS or shut the freaking hell up its all your fault kind of answers when voicing a valid concern maybe my 5k a year they are loosing is not gonna hurt them but I am not going to support figures I can not fully use and this is what I am trying to figure out as far as the K4's are concerned so far I had more problems then fixes with them and that is using Poser Pro 2010 so I am not behind software wise other then using something else then DS. I do not believe in insults but that should go both ways.

Hey SnowSultan. What the hell are you doing here. I thought they had you locked up creating a high rez template for the Kids 4.

Quote - Some of you guys sound like the Tea Party of 3D; bashing DAZ no matter what they do or what they release, sticking to archaic and outdated figures out of principle, and proudly exclaiming your runtimes are DAZ-free. Why do you always have to bitch about everything, can't you ever try following that old saying, how does it go?...if you can't say something nice, shut the freaking hell up.   :)

SnowS

I wonder what took someone so long to say this..... But to be honest, in this thread it's totally out of place. There are some genuine concerns raised and DAZ sure could do a lot better then the did. It's fine to defend DAZ, no problem, but to use the same old phrases as always isn't going to cut is this time. Please add something more substantial to this thread, that is much more helpful :-)

As for the outdated figures, DAZ is giving all of us many reasons to stick to them, most of their new fidures sure aren't adding to much to old one or are major improvements, on the contrary, if we're honest, we all know that DAZ has lost the cutting edge. The problem is that most don't dare to speak it out loud, it won't take long before someone comes in telling you to shut up. I do find that kind of rude, telling someone to shut up as if he doesn't have a right to an opinion.

I'm glad that this time it isn't just a few who aren't happy with DAZ and telling all them to shut up is just ignoring what's going on.

Artwork and 3DToons items, create the perfect place for you toon and other figures!

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?vendor=23722

Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(

Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk

Actually I have gotten refunds for a lot of items at Daz and they have always been nice about it. I downloaded the new kids but after looking at them and finding out you can't scale the toddler in Poser I opted out on buying anything for them. As far as defending Daz every time they release a loser product, I can't see that. I give my opinion here and elsewhere without worrying if someone at Daz doesn't approve, I also give my opinion on a product with my wallet. If it isn't up to snuff then I don't buy it or I get a refund and delete it. Just because you state your opinion some folks think you are trolling, I just ignore them and move on. Everyone has a right to their opinion I have the right to disagree with it, but not to attack them for it. I was under the impression that the Poser forum is for the exchange of information, good or bad. No one from Daz should be coming in and telling folks they should go to hell for expressing their opinion about a Daz product.

Quote - Actually I have gotten refunds for a lot of items at Daz and they have always been nice about it. I downloaded the new kids but after looking at them and finding out you can't scale the toddler in Poser I opted out on buying anything for them.

Except that the Toddler does indeed work in Poser. This is incorrect information. Like Apollo and Freak 4 the issue is conforming clothing and how Poser handles scaling in conforming clothing, not the figure itself.

There are four solutions to using the clothing in Poser.

1. SM fixes the bug. (Which they reportedly have for 2010 and also reportedly will for Poser 8.) 
2. Manually adjust the scaling for the clothing in the affected body parts. (Tedious but works)
3. There is a Python Script (Sorry I don't know who did it or where to get it.) that does the adjustment in 2 for you.
4. Adopt the Anton Solution, don't conform the clothing, apply the morphs, scaling and pose to the clothing separately and parent them to the figure.

Claims that the Toddler, Freak 4 and Apollo don't work in Poser are in error. Because of the bug DAZ3D can't claim that they are supported in Poser, but they do work.

Quote - As far as defending Daz every time they release a loser product, I can't see that. I give my opinion here and elsewhere without worrying if someone at Daz doesn't approve, I also give my opinion on a product with my wallet. If it isn't up to snuff then I don't buy it or I get a refund and delete it. Just because you state your opinion some folks think you are trolling, I just ignore them and move on. Everyone has a right to their opinion I have the right to disagree with it, but not to attack them for it. I was under the impression that the Poser forum is for the exchange of information, good or bad. No one from Daz should be coming in and telling folks they should go to hell for expressing their opinion about a Daz product.

Funny, the only vitriol I see in this thread comes not from DAZ3D, their employees PA's or even someone defending them but from those that have a grudge against DAZ3D. Granted I don't read everything in these forums, so I would be more than willing to adjust my statement, if you can show me where someone from DAZ3D told someone else to "Go to Hell" or similar about expressing their opinion, but it certainly isn't in this thread.

OK I did some research, here is the location of the script, it is by Dimension3D and it is free. www.contentparadise.com/productdetails.aspx

With that script the Toddler works in Poser, as does The Freak 4 and Apollo. (Some other neat scripts in that package too. )

Quote - OK I did some research, here is the location of the script, it is by Dimension3D and it is free. www.contentparadise.com/productdetails.aspx

With that script the Toddler works in Poser, as does The Freak 4 and Apollo. (Some other neat scripts in that package too. )

The scaling issue affecting the toddler is not the same as the issue with scaling and conforming clothing.

funny how ppl saying they don't like these figures 'have a grudge against Daz3D'

no. they don't. don't blow it out of proportion. they're just letting off steam.

now. can we just got on for a bit? Jen's due soon, so I don't think she needs the stress do you all?

hmm?

Quote - funny how ppl saying they don't like these figures 'have a grudge against Daz3D'

no. they don't. don't blow it out of proportion. they're just letting off steam.

now. can we just got on for a bit? Jen's due soon, so I don't think she needs the stress do you all?

hmm?

The only person I said had a grudge has a sig banner stating so.

no you said 'those' - plural.

Quote - no you said 'those' - plural.

I said > Quote - the only vitriol I see in this thread comes not from DAZ3D, their employees PA's or even someone defending them but from those that have a grudge against DAZ3D

Given the definition of vitriol, I stand by that statement.

**Quote - 2.**vitriol - abusive or venomous language used to express blame or censure or bitter deep-seated ill will

That does not mean or imply that anyone not supporting DAZ or these figures has a grudge, nor does it state or imply that everyone with a differing point of view is posting vitriolic statements. However those that are posting vitriolic statements, to this point, are the same people that appear to have a definite axe to grind against DAZ.

ENOUGH.
just drop it. I'm not dicussing it with you, I'm asking you to let it go. to stop. to cease this course of action.

be the better person. it's not worth your time or effort.

Quote - > Quote - OK I did some research, here is the location of the script, it is by Dimension3D and it is free. www.contentparadise.com/productdetails.aspx

With that script the Toddler works in Poser, as does The Freak 4 and Apollo. (Some other neat scripts in that package too. )

The scaling issue affecting the toddler is not the same as the issue with scaling and conforming clothing.

I stand corrected. I just loaded up Toddler in Poser 8 and it is not the "Scaling" bug that is causing the Toddler to not work correctly in Poser. There is a different issue.

Yeah, there's some issue with the head being mishapen or something like that ;o).

I haven't downloaded it, so I haven't seen it first hand, just saw a couple screen shots. Have no idea why it's doing it tho. I've heard Faeriewylde has a fix for it on their site tho, so it may yet be useable in Poser, but I for one, don't want to jump thru hoops just to make a figure "useable".

Laurie

Quote - ENOUGH.
just drop it. I'm not dicussing it with you, I'm asking you to let it go. to stop. to cease this course of action.

be the better person. it's not worth your time or effort.

So don't discuss it, but also don't misquote me or attribute something to me that I didn't say or imply and expect me to ignore it.

Oh, people!

I know a lot of us are dissatisfied with the Kids (and that is perfectly fine), but it really doesn't need to get nasty or argumentative, does it? Some of us think the Kids stink a little and some love em. No one's wrong and everyone's got their opinion. But we don't have to get mean.

In order for Daz to fix what we think needs fixing, we have to tell them what we think is wrong in a constructive way so they know exactly where we are coming from. That also goes for non-Daz merchants who may be thinking of creating addons for them.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled debate....lol....

Laurie

Quote - > Quote - ENOUGH.

just drop it. I'm not dicussing it with you, I'm asking you to let it go. to stop. to cease this course of action.

be the better person. it's not worth your time or effort.

So don't discuss it, but also don't misquote me or attribute something to me that I didn't say or imply and expect me to ignore it.

walks away, got dog food to buy, a garden to fix....

Sooner or later the issue will be resolved by either by SM, Daz3D or both. My only concern with the K4 figures is the lack of body Morphs. It appears there are 2? If that is the case how in the heck am I supposed to create a scene with  Spanky, Alfalfa, Buckwheat, Stymie, Darla, Chubby, Butch, Porky and Foggy?

:b_sad:

Gary

"Those who lose themselves in a passion lose less than those who lose their passion"

Quote - ...If that is the case how in the heck am I supposed to create a scene with  Spanky, Alfalfa, Buckwheat, Stymie, Darla, Chubby, Butch, Porky and Foggy?

:b_sad:

LOL....very carefully and with much patience ;o).

Laurie

Quote - Sooner or later the issue will be resolved by either by SM, Daz3D or both. My only concern with the K4 figures is the lack of body Morphs. It appears there are 2? If that is the case how in the heck am I supposed to create a scene with  Spanky, Alfalfa, Buckwheat, Stymie, Darla, Chubby, Butch, Porky and Foggy? :b_sad:

Morphs for V4 and M4 also work with the kids (with the usual obvious caveats), that might give you some more options.

Then of course there is the obvious option. Don't limit yourself to one set of figures. Regardless of Morphs, V4 starts to look the same after so many iterations.

Mix and match. K4, K3, the Quidam Boy and Girl, etc.

Which is why the K4 kids are a good addition. They provide more choices.

OK first of all, I didn't TELL anyone to shut the freaking hell up, I suggested it.  :)

Tashar: LOL, I finished the guides already, DAZ is just slow to post them. Should anyone need them, I'll post a link over at DAZ soon.

aeilkema: Of course I'm not against people voicing concerns about a product that doesn't work correctly, and I didn't come over here to tell you all to just be quiet and buy this product. What I don't like and won't sit quiet for is when a technical issue with a DAZ product becomes outright bashing of the company and all their products. "We all know DAZ has lost the cutting edge"? The kids are "Pure trash"?  Maybe V4 isn't working exactly as it should because of your system/program, but I would be very surprised if you didn't find it to be a superior figure if you could use it as intended.

Just because you state your opinion some folks think you are trolling, I just ignore them and move on. Everyone has a right to their opinion I have the right to disagree with it, but not to attack them for it. <<

Marque: Come on, I didn't tell anyone to go to hell. I'm really tired of people always screaming "everyone has a right to their opinion" when most of them mean is "I have a right to bitch and you'd better not disagree with me". Again, I  DID NOT tell anyone to shut up, I said you guys should try it sometime because that's all you do is complain about DAZ, whether they deserve it or not.

SnowS

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I do not speak as a representative of DAZ, I speak only as a long-time member here. Be nice (and quit lying about DAZ) and I'll be nice too.

Quote - In order for Daz to fix what we think needs fixing, we have to tell them what we think is wrong in a constructive way so they know exactly where we are coming from.
I now return you to your regularly scheduled debate....lol....

Laurie

Good luck with that angle.
In a nut shell they are saying that it is a Poser Problem with scaling.

"That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves."
Thomas Jefferson

I know, but my point was more the "constructive" part ;o). Even so, they can fix Poser scaling or not. I hardly use Daz figures anymore except for the version 3's....

Laurie

It's a technical issue as well as a buisiness decision, but most artists are also emotionally attached to their work, so yeah, a discussion like this might get heated from time to time.

Personally I admit I am pretty dissapointed.
I waited months and months (or is it already over a year ?) for new kids and while I don't like V4 much, I noticed that M4 was a lot better.
(Both rigging-wise as well as the sculpting)

So I naturally imagined the new kids to be even better than M4, knowing that Matt and Maddie are also better than M3.

Unfortunately it seems that DAZ didn't invest too much energy both to make them "look" like actual children or to make them fully work in Poser.
(I mean, seriously: Just "TWO" bodymorphs in the morphs++ set ???)

I already have some pretty good 3rd generation kids as well as a preteen M4 I made myself, so I will just go on "breeding" my own little ones.

But it's still hard getting over the dissapointment that we "could" have had a professionally made new child mesh that could have been better than M4 had DAZ really wanted.

And another part of the problem is that DAZ HAS a defacto monopoly as 99% of the merchants support only them.
So if they don't do it, noone else will.

@SnowSultan..... I didn't say half of the things you make me say. I never said anything about V4 at all, neither mentioned anything about pure trash.

I said that DAZ has lost it cutting edge, though and I stand by that, because they have, they can do much better then they're doing. Problem is the want to be too much at the same time. When they used to create content only, they did well. Now they're trying to do many things and it shows, too many things to attend to, it's a shame.

Artwork and 3DToons items, create the perfect place for you toon and other figures!

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?vendor=23722

Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(

Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk

Daz has indeed lost their edge, I've noticed it a lot lately and am glad they have a good refund policy. Snow maybe you should try shutting the hell up, at least as long as you work at Daz.  8^)

ah well...so much for the "constructive" part....sigh

Laurie

Aeilkema: sigh...I didn't say that YOU said all those things, I was saying that every time there's a problem with a DAZ product, it turns into general DAZ bashing. As for V4, I mentioned her as an example of a figure that you and many others have claimed (at some point) was flawed or not as good as other figures, when I believe you probably just haven't been able to use her (or any other DAZ figure) as DAZ intended.

Marque: What makes you say that DAZ has lost their edge then? The quality of the meshes seem the same, they still have good PAs, prices are still low...what is it you don't like? The concern about some products not working well in Poser is legitimate, but as others have said, it seems to be a Poser issue that DAZ can't always find a work around for.

FYI, I am not any sort of official representative for DAZ, nor am I intending to act as one. I'm only interrupting your little DAZ hate-fest because in my opinion only, you guys don't know what the hell you're talking about and "everyone's entitled to their opinion".   ;)

SnowS

my DeviantArt page: http://snowsultan.deviantart.com/

 

I do not speak as a representative of DAZ, I speak only as a long-time member here. Be nice (and quit lying about DAZ) and I'll be nice too.

hate-fest?

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

aka hate? ye gods. this is not even CLOSE to hate. don't exaggerate lad.

and please everyone. just STOP.

this is getting pointless.

Quote - hate-fest?

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

aka hate? ye gods. this is not even CLOSE to hate. don't exaggerate lad.

and please everyone. just STOP.

this is getting pointless.

As long as people are replying to the thread it isn't going to stop.

Getting? :) 

Arcebus makes a couple cute kids out of V4.

I went back to Poser 7 after having issues with P8. I downloaded the Kid4s, but now I'm wondering about trying to use them. Good thing they were free...

Quote - I went back to Poser 7 after having issues with P8. I downloaded the Kid4s, but now I'm wondering about trying to use them. Good thing they were free...

Shouldn't you try them?  

If there's so many problems with them, I'm not sure if I should or not. I only got them so I'd have them if I needed them. Like most everyone else, I'm pretty happy with the mil3 group of characters- all of my work uses either the Mil3 or Poser 5 or 6 characters- haven't had a good reason to try the others- I take that back. I have tried V4.1 and 2.  Like the outfits coming out for her better than the figure. Glad I have Wardrobe Wizard. I can convert for V3.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

aka hate? ye gods. this is not even CLOSE to hate. don't exaggerate lad.<<

Oh and here we go with the "there are far worse things in the world than 3D figures" business. I most certainly know what hate is and yes, I know this discussion doesn't rank up there with genocide, racism, and everything else wrong with the world.

I'm not going anywhere until I hear some legitimate reasons why so many in this thread have a problem with DAZ. Laurie says we should be constructive, and I honestly would like to hear something besides the usual "it's by DAZ, so it sucks"-sort of nonsense. You have a problem with lack of support for a certain figure, technical issues, prices, I'm all ears.

SnowS

my DeviantArt page: http://snowsultan.deviantart.com/

 

I do not speak as a representative of DAZ, I speak only as a long-time member here. Be nice (and quit lying about DAZ) and I'll be nice too.

Quote - FYI, I am not any sort of official representative for DAZ, nor am I intending to act as one

Quote - I'm not going anywhere until I hear some legitimate reasons why so many in this thread have a problem with DAZ. Laurie says we should be constructive, and I honestly would like to hear something besides the usual "it's by DAZ, so it sucks"-sort of nonsense. You have a problem with lack of support for a certain figure, technical issues, prices, I'm all ears.

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