Forum: Vue


Subject: Import from Poser: a too much hard light

lior opened this issue on May 12, 2010 · 17 posts


lior posted Wed, 12 May 2010 at 6:06 AM

Hi 😄

When importing from Poser, I have not lights soft enough 😕

Thank you for your help


silverblade33 posted Wed, 12 May 2010 at 8:00 AM

Afraid I do not know what you mean exactly, can you explain more? :)
is it an error message?
or, do you mean the Vue scene's light seems to harsh, not soft enough?

Please see my "Lighting tutorial" for lots of tips :)
http://www.silverblades-suitcase.com/tutorials/htm/22.html

this image shows how lights work by defualt in Vue
no softness, 100% shadows (very dark shdows)

this shows shadows at 85% and softness at 5

this shows an "area" light, which is tricky to use right and VERY slow to render

this uses HDR lighting (Environment lighting it's called in Vue)

does that help? :)

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lior posted Wed, 12 May 2010 at 8:57 AM

Quote - Afraid I do not know what you mean exactly, can you explain more? :)
is it an error message?
or, do you mean the Vue scene's light seems to harsh, not soft enough?

Please see my "Lighting tutorial" for lots of tips :)
http://www.silverblades-suitcase.com/tutorials/htm/22.html

this image shows how lights work by defualt in Vue
no softness, 100% shadows (very dark shdows)

this shows shadows at 85% and softness at 5

this shows an "area" light, which is tricky to use right and VERY slow to render

this uses HDR lighting (Environment lighting it's called in Vue)

does that help? :)

I've understood your wrote but at www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php I had to postwork the dog and the castle : all your tips were impossible to apply because of the atmo 😕
I can show you my Vue file and you'll see nothing was possible 😕


gillbrooks posted Wed, 12 May 2010 at 9:10 AM

Whenever I import Poser scenes, I ALWAYS ALWAYS have to adjust the highlight as it's usually set at 100% and shiny.  If your import has a lot of textures it can be a pain in the bum but it has to be done.   Could this be what's causing your problem?

Gill

       


lior posted Wed, 12 May 2010 at 10:06 AM

Quote - Whenever I import Poser scenes, I ALWAYS ALWAYS have to adjust the highlight as it's usually set at 100% and shiny.  If your import has a lot of textures it can be a pain in the bum but it has to be done.   Could this be what's causing your problem?

To understand what I mean, you've to see my vue file 'cause my atmo is a volumetric rays


tsquare posted Wed, 12 May 2010 at 10:37 AM

 Those lighting tips are great.  Hmmm perhaps a script could be made to turn highlights down on all textures when importing poser files?


silverblade33 posted Wed, 12 May 2010 at 11:05 AM

Tsquare
my pleasure ;)

Gill and Tsquare
yeah highlights AND reflections are usually messed ot hell on import :(
hence that's mentioned in my Poser Import tutorial ;)
http://www.silverblades-suitcase.com/tutorials/htm/18.html

how Vue 6 usually imported Poser materials' highlights

with the new EDIT ALL MATERIALS option in materials (select item/s with several materials, right click material icon, drag down) you can adjust all at one time

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lior posted Wed, 12 May 2010 at 12:26 PM

I've made what you have suggested, this is what I got 😕


gillbrooks posted Wed, 12 May 2010 at 4:52 PM

Do you mean you want softer shadows?

If that is what you're asking then there's a very simple way

This is unchanged lighting

Gill

       


gillbrooks posted Wed, 12 May 2010 at 4:53 PM

This is with 50% shadow

Select Sunlight, edit object, shadow tab and move the slider from 100 to 50 %

Gill

       


gillbrooks posted Wed, 12 May 2010 at 4:55 PM

This is with soft shadows/

Again, sunlight, edit object, shadows tab. Check 'use shadow map' and then check the 2nd option. In vue 8 it's 'shadow mapped' but I think earlier versions it's 'soft shadows'

Gill

       


lior posted Wed, 12 May 2010 at 6:06 PM

If I hadn't rays atmo I won't have this problem of hard light and hard shadows 😕 After applying all what you wrote 😕


gillbrooks posted Wed, 12 May 2010 at 6:43 PM

Can u post screenshots of your atmo and sun settings?

Gill

       


lior posted Wed, 12 May 2010 at 7:55 PM

Quote - Can u post screenshots of your atmo and sun settings?

You have my atmo=it's in the 2 Vue files I sent you for your new item
Without my .vue file you won't understand 'cause I began with www.renderosity.com/mod/freestuff/details.php+ modification of the terrain and POV+ my golden ray atmo+ ecosystem on the terrain and ecosysten on the flow so you get www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php but I have changed the .mat of the castle with GillB's Paving Mats & after final render:
-Remastering the wright side of the castle with Photoshop
Other postwork: those 2 birds.
Conclusion: only with the .vue file of the scene you'll understand the questions I'm asking!!!


lior posted Tue, 18 May 2010 at 11:24 AM

My conclusion: With another atmo silverblade33 and Gill suggestions solve my problem but with a volumetric atmo(Rays)... impossible!!!


silverblade33 posted Tue, 18 May 2010 at 11:38 AM

I never use shadow maps nowadays
it's ok in some renders, and is of course often much faster
but..for some renders, especially a large fine detailed one they lose too much detial for my tastes.
perfect for animations of course :)

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lior posted Tue, 18 May 2010 at 12:58 PM

Quote - I never use shadow maps nowadays
it's ok in some renders, and is of course often much faster
but..for some renders, especially a large fine detailed one they lose too much detial for my tastes.
perfect for animations of course :)

Your tutorals are excellent and have always heped me.I think they are the best!!!
When I have a problem to import from Poser, I export the Poser render in .ping+ postwork ...in my Vue render.