DAZ Studio is much better than poser. Much better animating controls, It has tings to make animating easier( puppet, powerpose, aniMate+), and just look at the PREVIEW mode in DAZ Studio.. Superb compared to Poser's even though it's the same method OPENGL. NOt to mention Camera controls in daz are easy and great. Translation and moving figures is so much easier.

Sure poser has Keyframing editing and controls and supposedly better Rendering engine( that's what people say) but not all of us are interested in that.

I just think People go for poser because perhaps of good marketing. Plus they think that because DAZ STudio free version is free, that it is cheaper. And that since Poser costs money, that it is better.

In my experience, i've suffered with poser for years . Animating and posing and all of that was just a struggle, so i gave up on it. I use it, but mainly for creating things that Studio can't.. Like using scripts that are out there. and for ward drobe wizard.

But aside from that, I don't see a need to go back.

Poser has become for me more like a tool to fix up stuff. DAZ is now my main tool for animating and posing and rendering.

On that note Rendering is also one of the reasons daz is better for me.
Pic of size 1024 X 7xx   with Raytracing like this one I'm including took guess how much?
about 12 seconds. Poser takes ages.

This is the pic i  rendered in 12 seconds. Sure it's just using Preview lights in light dome but it has ray tracing and you get crisp ground shadows and cast shadows. No way you could do that in Poser

This image is size 1024 X 768( i just resized it for here)

Before people chime in with "no this is better" and "no that is better", I'd just like to comment that it is nice that there are many different options for people who prefer using different programs.

Some people find DS easier to use.  Many (I am one of these) who've used Poser for years find it easier to use.  Both programs have advantages and disadvantages, as do other programs like Carrara.  To each his or her own.  "Better" is subjective...so saying "I like DS better" or "I like Poser better" is maybe a more accurate thing to say than to say that one program or the other is "better"

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I have both, but have also gotten away from using Poser and prefer D|S. (but just my preference)
I would like to see better key framing and a real animation graph (like Posers). Each version od D|S is getting better and better though.

On the other hand, I am not locked into D|S either, I also am trying to expand my tools with Cararra and Cinema 4D  (with InterPoser Pro) and Vue.

Each have their own stregths and weaknesses.  I look at it this way, a good carpenter has all the tools for the job. Why not an animator as well?

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DAZ is all I wish to know, LOL, but seriously, I do have Poser and have used it to get my models into VUE, but for the rest of my work, I prefer DAZ.  I also use a PC and while I have used MACs for work on and off, it has never captured my heart. So It's all about what works for you.  

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Quote - DAZ is all I wish to know, LOL, but seriously, I do have Poser and have used it to get my models into VUE, but for the rest of my work, I prefer DAZ.

This is a little off the subject -- Digital_Mischief, do you feel that DAZ Studio's Collada export is inadequate for getting DS scenes into Vue?  If so, which version of Vue are you using?  I'm considering purchasing Vue, so it's interoperability with DS3 is important to me.

Back on the subject -- I have switched from Poser 7 to DAZ Studio 3 Advanced.  The only thing I really miss is Poser's Materials Room.  I love DS3's ability to select multiple objects and surfaces and set parameters and materials for all selections in a single operation.  I think DS3 is better at rendering relections and shiny surfaces and gives better results, faster.  Also DS3 loads much faster, Poser 7 is painfully slow.  I don't do much animation, so I can't make any valid comparisons between DS3 and P7, there.

Oh God!!! Not another this versus that post!!! (roll eyes). There is no one program fits all, so starting a "this versus that" post just goes in circles.

I prefer DS too but if I want to see improvements to DS then I would post to DAZ3D's forum, not here. So if you really really want to see improvements to Poser then make a post at SmithMicro's forum. I'm sure they would listen to any reasonable requests.

Please try to keep this forum to help topics or sharing tips and tricks.

My best pal - with whom I often do on-line art collabs - uses DS3 exclusively while I use Poser 99 per cent of the time; and from time to time, we each come across some quirks for our respective fave proggies. 

But with a little inventiveness and some tweaking within our respective app environments, we usually figure out a way to get our renders done.

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Simple: Poser works properly on my computer, whereas DAZ Studio doesn't. So I don't user DAZ unless I really, really can't get around it.

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When I first started, I dabbled in Poser, but it was pretty frustrating.  DAZ Studio is more user-friendly, but the better I get, the more limiting it seems.  I also don't like how much it relies on Poser's idiotic file categories where everything under the sun that isn't really a pose counts as a pose.  I guess they had no choice, but it still sucks.

Quote - When I first started, I dabbled in Poser, but it was pretty frustrating.  DAZ Studio is more user-friendly, but the better I get, the more limiting it seems.  I also don't like how much it relies on Poser's idiotic file categories where everything under the sun that isn't really a pose counts as a pose.  I guess they had no choice, but it still sucks.

Don't be too harsh on Poser as it is an old program that has gone through many evolutions and passed between many Companies. Daz Studio is rather young and always been in the hands of Daz3D and it has had the hindsight of Poser's development to build up fresh from.

Poser was first to bring an affordable and easy to use (yes many years ago) 3D program to artists & hobbyist, which use to be exclusive (and expensive) right of large production studios and computer geeks.  Daz Studio has just simply streamlined the workflow more than Poser and cut back a lot of Poser's advance features so as to create a basic entry level 3D program with shallow learning curve.

If Daz Studio is becoming limiting to you then consider using Carrara (free trail version available at Daz3D). A lot of Poser content is compatible with Carrara but the Poser material settings have to be changed in Carrara and there may be some other issues (I think magnets is another). Note, Carrara is a big jump up from both DS & Poser as it has a wealth of features (somewhat intimidating at first) and therefore steeper learning curve.

Just keep in mind that there is no one program that will do everything. Even large production studios use several different programs; each have their limits, strengths and weaknesses. The difference between them and us is they have money to throw around while us artist and hobbyist have limited budgets and so demand the world from modest 3D programs.

Yeah Poser has ability to save Light sets, and whatever.
But who cares , daz is more like real world. you set them up yourself

I would love Carrara but for now i cant.

Still i think the only reason Pose is popular is because it's been around for ages

 Of course, being around for ages is a big advantage, just ask Microsoft. :-P

The learning curve may be the biggest hurdle for many. For me, it's the material system and the renderer. I've learned to use Firefly up to a certain degree, using D|S usually means that the image don't look good enough to me. This is different for other people of course. And then I use the cloth room and the morph brush a lot. 

On the other hand, there are things for which D|S is better. I'm happy having and using both of them. 

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Quote - This is the pic i  rendered in 12 seconds. Sure it's just using Preview lights in light dome but it has ray tracing and you get crisp ground shadows and cast shadows. No way you could do that in Poser

This image is size 1024 X 768( i just resized it for here)

You rendered that? Lol. This is like it would look in Poser's PREVIEW!

But congrats to open another thread that tries to ignite the iditotic DAZ versus Poser  war.

Quote - This is the pic i  rendered in 12 seconds. Sure it's just using Preview lights in light dome but it has ray tracing and you get crisp ground shadows and cast shadows. No way you could do that in Poser

This image is size 1024 X 768( i just resized it for here)

And you actually tried this in Poser before saying such an uninformed statement? You want people to fight over what's better, fine. But tossing up a picture with a bogus claim of it can't be done in Poser isn't going to win you any arguments around here.

IMHO the major factors regarding which you product you use can be over simplified to two things.

1. What "feels" right - a workflow and tools set that most closely fit with the way you think.
2. What product has the best tools for what you want to do - even if you like DS better - if you need to make and use your own dynamic clothing, you would need to use Poser

I use both, but tend to use Carrara the most, then DS3A, then Poser (also use Hex, and sometimes and old copy of C4D). Poser Pro2010 has improved a great deal, and I was finally able to get a render I honestly felt was pretty decent out of it (something I wasn't able to do with previous versions). But it did take a lot more work than DS3A or Carrara, simply because I've never been able to wrap my head around Poser lighting.
Example Image from Poser Pro 2010 here:
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=2036580

With DS3A I was able to make some decent images with good lighting fairly quickly. 
The light setup on the next link was done with my first attempt using the included UE2, with less than 15 mins. of light setup time (VERY fast for me).
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1994089

Carrara is what I use the most, because it is what I know the best. I feel comfortable with Carrara, and understand lighting much better than with DS or Poser. The next link is to a Carrara image.
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=2023770

If your feeling limited by DS, you should give Carrara a try. You can get Carrara 7 Pro for free with Issue #17 of 3D Artist Magazine (see discussion here; :http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2804832).

Bottom line - I think that the choice of what program you use is largely determined by how well it fits your own logic. Many Poser users find the DS interface too difficult and confusing. Many DS users say the same thing about Poser. Of course many Poser and DS users also say the same thing about Carrara.

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Quote - IMHO the major factors regarding which you product you use can be over simplified to two things.

1. What "feels" right - a workflow and tools set that most closely fit with the way you think.
2. What product has the best tools for what you want to do - even if you like DS better - if you need to make and use your own dynamic clothing, you would need to use Poser

So true! I have all 3 prog's also but use DS3A because I love doing large complex scenes. It's faster to set up the scenes in DS3A than the other two programs. I'm slowly learning Carrara. I want to try and use Carrara's more powerful lights and render settings but there is so much to relearn. DS3A point and click approach has spoilt me. LOL.

BTW DusttRider you've done great renders; all three.

Quote - And you actually tried this in Poser before saying such an uninformed statement? You want people to fight over what's better, fine. But tossing up a picture with a bogus claim of "it can't be done in Poser" isn't going to win you any arguments around here.

Them's a fighting words partner! LOL. John Wayne would be proud! I just went to check out josterD's gallery and he/she has pulled everything out. That darn varmit seems ta hav' hightailed it out of here. No need for the posy boys. LOL.

It's never a good idea to start a thread to compare programs, especially if you use "destructive" criticism. We are all passionate about the prog's we use (even loyal) as they are the tools in which we use to make our art; so comments directed to the prog's can be taken quite personal, therefore a note to all to keep comments "constructive", even in the Galleries. Please!

It maybe a good idea that the forum admin close this post now.

As far as I know the OP didn't have a gallery here when they started the thread. And the fighting words, well what can I say? I use Poser & DS & Carrara & Bryce & Vue & Zbrush & & & & &... I use the right tool for the right job. Nobody needs to be going around knocking the tool sets. Period. Especially if they haven't had a year's experience to back up their fighting words. Judging by their joined date of August 2009, they haven't been around long enough to be starting fights over which proggie can beat up which proggie.

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Quote - PS - My Robot Avatar can beat your Monkey Avatar! :tt2:

What! that "bubble headed booby!"

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Dunno'... I started with Daz. found it a lot easier at first, but now I much prefer the renders I get with Poser - So I'm sticking with it.

Try both and stay with the one ye' like. :)

Try both and Use Both. I use Poser for all my setup, DS for loading my PZ3's into Bryce and I render in Bryce, Poser & Vue.

Here's my experience with Poser versus DAZ Studio.  Maybe I haven't learned DS well enough to know how to use it.  But I prefer Poser if I had to choose.

But DAZ|Studio is just as popular as Poser.  So I don't know what the OP's problem is exactly.

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it maybe better,but I have yet to get it to download to my mac pro there are all sorts of freebie downloads that i would love to try.
 something to do with the installers I am told by computer friends.
 poser 7,8 and pro 2010 didn't have any problems downloading

 well I'm on a mac and in DAZ studio dynamic cloth doesn't work and also they haven't got a 64 bit version (well they haven't got full 64 bit for mac in poser either yet)
I've tried DS and the main things that stop me using it, apart from the above, are 3:-

1. the tiny teeny little folders which you have to open and then remember to close again and scroll around in - very small and my eyesight aint that good these days even with glasses.
2.  The lack of ability on mac to pic which disks and folders to import content from all in one hit
3.  This is the main one and really a show stopper - If I have a big scene with lots of stuff in it, every time I make even a tiny change and want to save, it can take over an hour or more to save my scene. I don't care so much about render times, I can go to bed or something, but I really want to be able to make a change, save, make another change save etc.  small scenes save fast but big scenes take a loooooonnnnnnng time in DS.

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I know it's not your main issue, but on 1 if you mean the Content palette have you tried using the View folders as list mode? Click the triangle button at top-right of the palette for the option menu.

 probably - I can't remember.  Not for a long time though.  Would I still have to open and close things? I'm not very tidy, even at home, and with software it's the same.  I don't mind opening stuff but I can't be bothered going a long closing things again.
I'm waiting for the next big DS upgrade before I try it all again.
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As far as I can tell, not having used a Mac, the List view works like a Mac file dialogue - each time you click a foler you get a new column with its sub-folders. Getting back to the top-level needs scrolling if you use a tall, narrow content palette but you don't need to close folders as opening a new one does that automatically.

 that sounds good.  And is there a way to enlarge those folders and fonts?

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No, font sizes are still fixed - I had hoped that the styles would at some point allow for editing that, but since we still don't have a style-editing kit there's no real way of knowing whether it does or not in principle.

 that is a drawback for me.

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How can I put this without appearing rude???

As with any type of software the end result is dependant on the experience of the user.
In the main, the better you are so become your creations.
My personal preference is for photoshop.......then, it does not matter how bad you are with your other software...lol!

Quote - How can I put this without appearing rude???
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I just read:
How can I put this without appearing nude???
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I like Bryce, Dazstudio, Poser and Vue ... in alphabetical order, because I can't say one is better than the others.

I have bryce but so far just able to make water scenes and mountains as for daz don't use it because I have poser which has a lot more teaching aids out there, so I can use the software to it's full potential if daz were to come out with some of those it would get used more ( not their tutorials that are more like commercials for their products also poser didn't have multi installers to weed through

Quote - I have bryce but so far just able to make water scenes and mountains as for daz don't use it because I have poser which has a lot more teaching aids out there, so I can use the software to it's full potential if daz were to come out with some of those it would get used more ( not their tutorials that are more like commercials for their products also poser didn't have multi installers to weed through

Tutorial for Daz Studio?! Pfff! Who need's it! I was posing and rendering within minutes of downloading Daz Studio. And I had no prior 3D program experience!  Just an avid curiosity to see what those buttons do....oops! PC entered into self destruct mode. LOL.

Anyhoot I strongly agree that Daz's video tutorials ARE more like infomercials for their products. Which is really frustrating when trying to understand DS3 Advance features and the Daz's Figure Setup Tool bundle plugin.

 but were you doing more faster with poser?

Quote -  but were you doing more faster with poser?

The short answer to your question is....no. I had to actually buy a video tutorial to understand Poser.

I had Poser 7 but it felt sooo cumbersome that I got frustrated and just used it only to fix Poser files that did not work properly in Daz Studio.

Then recently I upgraded to Poser 8Pro because the interface looked so much more streamlined for work flow.  To me Poser 8Pro definitely felt like a  vast improvement over Poser 7 (and more stable).

However for speed of learning and also setting up complex scenes Daz Studio still felt faster.

There is no Poser 8 Pro! There was no Poser 7 Pro! There are Poser Pro and Poser Pro 2010. The thing that screws people up is there was a "Pro Pack" extension that was sold for Poser 4.

Quote - > Quote -  but were you doing more faster with poser?

The short answer to your question is....no. I had to actually buy a video tutorial to understand Poser.

I had Poser 7 but it felt sooo cumbersome that I got frustrated and just used it only to fix Poser files that did not work properly in Daz Studio.

Then recently I upgraded to Poser 8Pro because the interface looked so much more streamlined for work flow.  To me Poser 8Pro definitely felt like a  vast improvement over Poser 7 (and more stable).

However for speed of learning and also setting up complex scenes Daz Studio still felt faster.

 what poser tutorial did you get was it worth it  the one I have is photoshop and poser it's quite good will get there are two others I may get ( one has yet to be released) and am looking into poser pro poser pro 2010 looks sweet too,but, will wait til micro smith has a sale on it

Quote - There is no Poser 8 Pro! There was no Poser 7 Pro! There are Poser Pro and Poser Pro 2010. The thing that screws people up is there was a "Pro Pack" extension that was sold for Poser 4.

Oops I meant Poser Pro 2010. Just shows you how often I use it to forget it's name. LOL.

Quote - what poser tutorial did you get was it worth it  the one I have is photoshop and poser it's quite good will get there are two others I may get ( one has yet to be released) and am looking into poser pro poser pro 2010 looks sweet too,but, will wait til micro smith has a sale on it

Following link to to site where I purchase Poser 7 video tutorial. It really didn't go deep enough into Posers many features but was good enough for me to get my head around what I felt was the non-intuitive interface of Poser 7. They now have Poser 8 tutorial.

http://www.softwaretrainingtutorials.com/poser-7.php

well, poser pro 2010 is now on sale will pick that up also there is a daz book out it's half read at the time of this posting ( it even comes with a dvd will look for poser pro

Poser has inverse kinematics and Daz Studio doesn't. The lack of IK in Daz Studio is a major shortcoming.

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DS3.1 does now have IK, though not as feature rich as Poser's (it works only within a figure, so you can't parent a hand or foot to an item you wish it to follow and move that for instance).

I use DS but started out using Poser 4. I went through all the versions and now up to PoserPro2010. I like both programs.

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 today I couldn't find a Pz3 that I wanted because unfortunately pz3s don't have thumbnails.  I knew it was in a folder that contained lots of Pz3s but I just didn't know which Pz3 it was  anyway, it suddenly occurred to me that it had a Kid 4 in it, so I searched the folder for something that contained K4 and then I found it.  Because poser files are text files.  DAZ Studio files are encrypted somehow  i think, so it's not that easy to make user based things for them either.
For example:- Poser didn't come with mat files. Mat files were invented by poser users and could be done because Cr2s and Pz3s etc can be hacked.  I don't think DS files can be hacked.

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Scene files are binary files, yes, However all the preset files are scripts and can, as long as they aren't saved encrypted, be edited to do anything the scripting engine can do. So it depends on what you mean by hacking, really.

 Good.  the less limitations the more the DS world will grow.
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DS3.1 does now have IK, though not as feature rich as Poser's (it works only within a figure, so you can't parent a hand or foot to an item you wish it to follow and move that for instance).

I can't seem to find it. How do you switch IK on? 

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Quote - DS3.1 does now have IK, though not as feature rich as Poser's (it works only within a figure, so you can't parent a hand or foot to an item you wish it to follow and move that for instance).

I can't seem to find it. How do you switch IK on? 

Poser rigs are the rigs that apps like Max,Maya,XSI,C4D used 20 years a go.
Really would not call Poser rigs feature rich,
I would call Poser rigs seriously out dated thou.

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If you are using 3.1 then you should see the IK chains in the Scene palette as children of the root ("Victoria 4.2" or whatever). Use the new Universal manipulator tool to access the pinning menu (it appears as a pin icon at top-right of the widget), though IK will respond to all tools and parameter sliders.

I used to be a poser user, but then I tried DAZ Studio and found it to be much better.  Poser took an eternity to install or even to make a single render, and my Poser renders often had a lot of blackness on them for some reason.  While with DS, my renders are finished in a snap and I very rarely have that blackness problem. 

Furthermore, I'm just so sick and tired of all the V4 content that's exclusive to Poser and not supported in DS.  Particularly since the people who made DS are the ones who created V4 in the first place.  So if you're going to make something great for V4, then for God's sake, show her creators some respect and make it work with DS!

Allthough being a old-time and obsessed poseruser I also use D|S, but I spent more money on plug-ins to get the same functionality then what you pay for a new version of poserpro 2010.
So to call D|S free software is far beyond the truth.
Of course D|S has features that are superior to Poser: I wish there was something like animate+ for poser, D|S is beter organised and you can setup the whole interface just the way you like it.
But I wouldn't drop poser for it:
Dynamic clothing is supported on D|S, but only if you buy it, I like to make it myself and although such a feature is promised for more then a year ago, it's still not there.
Poser's materialroom is easier to use than D|S shader-builder/ shader-mixer, perhaps they have more functionality, but it lacks a proper documentation.
Documentation is also a poor aspect of D|S, of course there are the WIKI pages, but a lot of documentation is work in progress, IAO: it's not there.
One good exception are the figure setup tools, which are also superior to poser, but again, there's a nice price-tag on it.
D|S should support HDR-images, but AFAIK there is only a converter for HDRI to TIFF-files to use with the ubershader plugin, I consider that as fraud: TIFF isn't HDR IMHO.
Has anyone tried to make a real GI-render in D|S? It takes forever!

So I wouldn't say D|S is better than Poser, both have ther pros and cons, I think the most sensisitve way is to use both and take advantage of the strong points both programs has to offer, by example: I use D|S to setup animations, export them as PZ2 files and render them in
poser.

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