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About six weeks ago I visited Poser again after a long break. I was quite amazed how a few talented individuals had advanced with human and animal models and in particular Vicky. As a result of this I am in the process of setting up a company to use Poser mainly for animal models. But I am becoming increasingly disenchanted with Poser. All I see are software problems with PPP and Poser 4 , and from the posts on this site I also wonder just how good the help, manuals and tutorials by Curious Labs are. Then comes the big debate on software protection?? I don't like cracks, warez etc but taking all things into account I think that the Poser software is overpriced and this is the core of the problem. Let's be honest here. Most of the people who use it are not going to get the results you guys get and as such they are paying far too much for a program that is full of bugs and quirks and all you end up with is a bad electronic Barbie Doll. No wonder they try and steal it. Personally I would like to see Curious Labs produce a Pro Version that was bug free, had a male and female model about 4 times better than Vicky and included PPP. Also give it a new name to differentiate from Poser. I think that it would be worth about $US 300.00. and sell a bug free Poser4 for about $US 100.00 Curious Labs beware , because if 3dsmax or Lightwave decide to go head to head ,you could be doomed at the current prices you charge. After all no one seems to be able to produce the better Vicky/Mike models purely in your program anyway. I love Poser and its potential but from a tight assed business point of veiw it has a lot of problems.