Any opinions about how these look? Suede - the shadow terminator is too sharp but I don't think I can do anything about that with raytraced shadows.

leather...

Beautiful pair of boots. Will there be any other colors?

I really like the shaders. :)

Maybe they could use a bit more texture though, if you're going for the photorealistic look?

This is the basic material right now, I'll be doing a bit more to the bump map, I'm just interested to know if the suede looks like suede and the leather looks like leather.

ps that thing at the top of the boot is just a placeholder to get displacement doing what I want it to do (which it is).

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I think a little more bump to the leather for definition. I can't decide on the suede, though.

The specular on the leather is too bright and not spread out enough IMO.

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Do you have an UV map for it? I'd personally think it would look good with a real texture in the material.

suede needs a little more rough texture otherwise looks good

There are so many variations of both, one could never hope to produce what you have in your mind's eye.

But perhaps this is something like it? Want it?

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That looks great BB! Are you thinking to update your leather shaders as well???

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Yes.

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I just threw this suede together, by hand. I have to turn it into a script, so it can be auto GC and have some nice parameters. Right now it is gobbldigook.

I'll be back in a couple hours with the finished suede.

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I like this color.

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pretty i like a lot will the shader work in P7

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Nah if it's a million nodes I'm not too interested, I'd rather keep it simple and just get it in the ballpark. I don't use GC and today is not the day to start.

Yes that model has a proper UVmap, attached.

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Noting wrong with yours pjz99 that a more spread out specularity in a non white colour and a bit of roughness wouldn't fix I figure.. nice boots btw.. ...

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Quote - pretty i like a lot will the shader work in P7

Yep - actually will work in P5, 6, etc.

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Quote - BB...you really are a Poser Wizard....that's the best suede I've seen in any app....well done.. ...

Thanks, Bobby.

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I agree, that is some of the best suede I've seen!

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And yeah it's great looking suede there Bagginsbill, I'm just not interested in supporting a very complex shader setup or GC.

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This is the best suede I've got so far in my Materials folder. I believe the shader is by ShadowDaleCreations.

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Quote - Nah if it's a million nodes I'm not too interested, I'd rather keep it simple and just get it in the ballpark. I don't use GC and today is not the day to start.

Yes that model has a proper UVmap, attached.

I'm with you. I like as few nodes as possible.

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Quote - Any opinions about how these look? Suede - the shadow terminator is too sharp but I don't think I can do anything about that with raytraced shadows.

Those boots are great! A poser girl can't have too many boots, shoes, purses or hats!!

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@ pjz...those don't look like leather or suede to me at all.

Did you model those yourself or just do a Zbrush extraction which some might consider a copyright violation?
I ask because some of your outfits resemble Zbrush extractions, either subdivided or decimated as an end result.

Quote - Nah if it's a million nodes I'm not too interested, I'd rather keep it simple and just get it in the ballpark. I don't use GC and today is not the day to start.

Yes that model has a proper UVmap, attached.

this is a mistake IMO he he ;)

BB likes procedural bump and texture. it can help us a lot of times.

but if we dont want it we just delete all the nodes and use a color image and a color bump.we left in all the other nodes that are there for how the diffuse and specular acts.

i like procedurals for some simple materials. but when you have a boot you need to use a lot of control maps. dirt,grim. and for specular we also need some control maps.

so Pjz never ignore BB's materials with a lot of nodes. because they react to lighiting like real materials. for color and bump you can still use real rextures.

Quote - @ pjz...those don't look like leather or suede to me at all.

Did you model those yourself or just do a Zbrush extraction which some might consider a copyright violation?
I ask because some of your outfits resemble Zbrush extractions, either subdivided or decimated as an end result.

no offense but ouyr post makes no sense.

how can a zbrush extraction be a pocyright violation? you can use all the functions in zbrush .

While I am pretty sure PJZ modeled these without extracting anything, I suppose a "zbrush extraction CAN be a copyright violation " if it copied the mesh slavishly just with an offset (I do not use zbrush so I'm just guessing about what this function does)

That said.. Why worry about the number of nodes? The end user won't have to mess with them at all, if you supply a couple of MAT poses to change the colour a little. Exprienced users can THEN use the material room to totally control their look, while John Doe can just click a button. Chances are, John Doe has his Material Room set to "Simple" anyway and wouldn't DREAM of even clicking the Advanced tab. And why settle for a lesser-than-perfect solution?

BB - thís is absolutely THE best suede I've ever seen. I have some various leather textures (from a product called Magic Skin, not sure if it's still available) and it does pretty nice leather and suede, but not as good as this!

Quote - There are so many variations of both, one could never hope to produce what you have in your mind's eye.

But perhaps this is something like it? Want it?

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Quote - While I am pretty sure PJZ modeled these without extracting anything, I suppose a "zbrush extraction CAN be a copyright violation " if it copied the mesh slavishly just with an offset (I do not use zbrush so I'm just guessing about what this function does)

i dont think you can copyright a boot shape. and i dont think you can copyright mesh topology.

Quote - and i dont think you can copyright mesh topology.

Think again then. You most certainly can copyright a mesh. There has been SO many issues with bits of existing figures being copied onto other figures here and sold as original...

As for boots, it's probably more a question of trade dress than copyright (people tend to use copyright about everything and anything also when it's not actually a COPYRIGHT issue but a violation of intellectual property or trade dress ect.) The Coke bottle is a good example of trade dress. You just CAN'T make a copy of it, even if you call it "Auntie Sues Brown Beverage" instead of Coca Cola.

i agree that you can not copy a mesh.

but you can use the same topology for your boots. and if someone looks at the mesh he would think that it was copied. but it was not.

Agreed. That's after all how you make clothes - and boots FIT - by approximating the topology as closely to the figure as possible. And of course that isn't "copying" - but IIRC there has been problems earlier with blatant "shrinkwrapping" techniques. Since Hexagon isn't capable of that, it's never been an issue to me L

Some really nice suede materials there. :) Great with UV map too, for creating special styles, like snakeskin, or simply for seams and stuff.

Like Trekkiegrrl said, zbrush extraction or shrinkwrapping or anything that mimics the model can be a copyright violation.. I've read extensive threads on daz about it.. But really, I've made some really tight clothing by hand, and it very much follows the figure too.. If you make something that's shaped close to the figure, it -has- to follow the shape, regardless of the method you use to make it..

I think what really matters is whether something is actually stolen or not, and if it's a competing figure with the original, and I doubt pjz99's boots is either.

Quote - @ pjz...those don't look like leather or suede to me at all.

Did you model those yourself or just do a Zbrush extraction which some might consider a copyright violation?
I ask because some of your outfits resemble Zbrush extractions, either subdivided or decimated as an end result.

Hi, thanks for your valuable feedback. No, they're just very good models. Appreciate it though, very flattering to hear it put that way even if I'm sure it wasn't meant to be such.

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Quote - There has been SO many issues with bits of existing figures being copied onto other figures here and sold as original...

That's all neither here nor there, because I don't ever use mesh extraction, as anyone who took a few seconds to look at any of my models can see.

edit: hell, you can see that obviously from the UVmap I posted earlier; my guess is the other poster has difficulty making models that fit a character closely, and thinks the only way to achieve this is to copy the character's mesh, which is - uh - dumb, but flattering :)

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Quote - Agreed. That's after all how you make clothes - and boots FIT - by approximating the topology as closely to the figure as possible. And of course that isn't "copying" - but IIRC there has been problems earlier with blatant "shrinkwrapping" techniques. Since Hexagon isn't capable of that, it's never been an issue to me L

Going to quote your post on this matter since due to technical considerations the subject is not an issue to you so shouldn't offend.:biggrin: (Plus you understand that fitting a new mesh to an existing mesh as an add-on isn't copying, amazing number of people don't get that point.)

Using a shrinkwrap modifier on a mesh of your own creation to fit to an existing mesh to create an accessory such as clothing is not a copyright violation because the original mesh topology is not used.

It is in effect no different than fitting your mesh to the original model by hand. Even when a shrinkwrap modifier has been used on your own mesh for quick fitting to the original figure a good deal of hand work must still be done to make a proper model.

The key point is that you must use your own mesh as the basis for the new item.

To avoid the cries of "But your using the original mesh to fit to!" readers need to understand that topology means the placement of the verts, edges, faces, rings, loops, etc.

Your own mesh while following the volume of the original mesh does not use the same layout of components.

A violation would be chopping out the torso and shoulders of V4, cleaning up the edges, remapping it and calling it a t-shirt. The difference being that in the hack and slash method you are using the original topology...not your own mesh.

The case when shrinkwrap/retopology would be a violation would be if someone were to use it to copy an original mesh volume to create a competing figure, as in shrinkwrapping/retopologizing a mesh onto V4 then passing off the resulting mesh as a new figure.

Folks, if any of you think that the above assessment is incorrect then you need to report every single item of clothing ever made for any Poser figure as a copyright infringement because every item whether made through retopology, shrinkwrap modifiers or pure hand placement of polys follows the contours of the original figure it was created for to a large degree, otherwise it would not fit the figure.

@pjz99

Appropriate response, your take on it was pretty much what I read in the post from the non-modeler too.

Oops, I meant to add - shrinkwrap is not typically in my toolset either, although I'm not afraid to use it. It has pluses and minuses, and is often more trouble than it's worth.

Good info Bob, thanks.

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Sorry I didn't post it last night. I was really tired and making mistakes.

I could do more work, but it's good enough, apparently. grin

The shader is attached - remove the .txt from the file name when you download it.

There are four parameter nodes on the left.

PM:Gamma (Auto) = 2.2 - Automatic shader GC, which turns off in Poser Pro when render GC is enabled. If you don't want it at all, set this to 1.

PM:Color = TAN - The basic color of the material. Mottled variations are automatically produced. If you want to use a color map texture, add an Image_Map node and plug it in here.

PM:Fuzzy = 1 - The fuzziness - makes the response to light at various angles change dramatically. At 0, it won't be fuzzy, but more like a buffed suede with some soft specular. Increasing this will slowly increase the fuzziness. The default value = 1, but you can push it further than that.

PM:Mottled = 1 - The mottling due to the tiny fibers being pushed around, and also produces some color variation. If set to 0, there will be little to no mottling, and will look like Ugg boots. You can push this past 1 but 2 is about the max that works before things go haywire.

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Here is the matmatic script that made the shader.

This requires matmatic 1.1 or higher.

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Here are a few samples at various settings.

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Note that the basic shader itself is only about a dozen nodes.

The majority of the nodes are simply different curves to control all the parameters. If I did not do all that, then to produce logically consistent variations, you'd have to adjust 8 or 9 things at once.

But with the different bits of math to vary those in consistent ways, all you need to think about is color, fuzziness, and mottling. The big pile of nodes doesn't make it complicated to use - it makes it easier to use. Without them, the user who wants more or less fuzziness would have to adjust a bunch of parameters instead of just 1, and he/she would need to know how those parameters vary with fuzziness - some are non-linear - you can't just double them when you want twice as much fuzziness.

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That sure is a great looking suede.

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Thanks, Paul.

One of the things I like about procedural patterns is they hold up well to close inspection. If you try to get this kind of detail in a texture alone, you have to make it huge. Notice also how the shader responds to light. One of the gray boots here is almost completely in shadow. Without GC, that boot would look too dark and have little to no variation in luminance.

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One of the things I like about procedural patterns is they hold up well to close inspection. If you try to get this kind of detail in a texture alone, you have to make it huge.

Notice also how the shader responds to light. One of the gray boots here is almost completely in shadow. Without GC, that boot would look too dark and have little to no variation in luminance.

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I hear you, I'm just realistic in that 95% of Poser users (if not more) do not use gamma correction (hell, a lot of them don't even use shadows) - lemme think about it. Great shader though.

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They don't need to use GC. It's built into the shader automatically. If they use render GC it will turn itself off. If they don't use or have render GC it will turn itself on. The built-in GC makes it look right regardless of whether the user is using GC or not.

If it's really a problem, set the PM:Gamma (Auto) node to 1, and there will be no GC, but there will also be incorrect appearance, particularly the soft specular of the buffed suede in a dark color.

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Yeah that's the thing, if the user isn't into GC then the single item would be quite bright but everything else in their scene would not. Right or not, "the nail that sticks out gets hammered". I'll set it to 1 if I distribute it (probably will) and your constraints are not a problem, thanks. Very generous.

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Here is nearly black buffed suede (Fuzzy = 0) rendered without GC in the renderer.

On the left, the shader GC is off (=1). On the right, the shader GC is on.

It's a dramatic difference.

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Beyond the dark specular, check out what happens with other colors when you set the Gamma=1. Some things come out brighter than they should, not just darker. It's very hard to tune a non-linear shader. This is why most people have not made a suede like this. It's too hard.

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Those suede mats look absolutely amazing. :) Thanks for posting them!

Don't forget that people who make shaders without gamma correction are still doing something about gamma. They're just not doing it with the straightforward technique I'm using. They end up pushing some values up, and others down, and all in the pursuit of getting it to look right with the particular lighting they're using. But if the material is rendered in very different lighting, it fails.

The only response curve that is correct in all lighting situations is the linear one - the one that matches reality. That response curve is not achievable except when you put adjustments in the shader that are close to those produced by gamma correction. Some people do it by other means, and don't even realize what they're doing. They're just tweaking until it looks right. Well - I don't have to tweak.

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Look here. Forget *why* they're different. They're clearly different. Now ask yourself which one looks more real?

That's the gamma corrected one. Pretend you don't know it is GC. Just use the one that works better.

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You're welcome, grappo.

I like to see renders - show me.

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This'll do, thanks.

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Looks great, Paul.

Even though it is easy enough to edit the 3 parameters, and most of the time all you need to edit is the color, I can see where some users who've never entered the advanced material room at all would still be daunted.

You probably want to build a dozen or so shades and save them as pre-defined materials.

Here I picked a few, for testing. Stay with highly unsaturated colors, because suede is never in a saturated stain. Light and dark are OK - just keep it desaturated.

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i noticed that you are using the edgeblend for the fuzzy.

i am also using it in my free clothes.

Well done Paul...that nails it for me.. ...great advice BB that I will note for future reference.. ...

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Here's another stab at the leather, with a proper seam displacement. Appreciate all the feedback folks, thanks :)

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i ike the shape of the specular. but i think the color is wrong. i dont think there is any leather that would have a yellow specular.

if it is stylistic choice then its ok.

what are you using for the leather bump? nodes or a texture?

That's a bitmapped texture, it was pretty painless to paint. I'm not super worried about the color, that's all pretty subjective and if someone wants to tweak it more power to them.

Side note, for a model like this, with the spur coming off the back of the heel and going above the endpoint of the shin bone, I don't think you can easily rig this in Poser 7 or earlier, but in Poser 8 it was no big deal

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I'm re-working my leather. You're probably not going to want this. It's a pig. The procedural bump requires over 110 nodes.

After I work out all the variations, maybe I can render the bump maps out and just use them as traditional image-based bump maps.

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This is the "cracked" variation.

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The "reptile" version.

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Oooh I love those, BB! I'm using your Soft Black Leather for a lot of stuff at the moment. It looks so NICE!

(now do a neoprene material please ... big blue eyes)

Oh BTW.. those "old" leather materials do not turn off GC automatically, do they? Because I see my black leather turning grey... and I assume it's because of the GC which is getting doubled from the render CG and the material CG... I haven't looked and the thing is still rendereig, I just noticed now that it was more grey than usual

Did I ever do those old leathers with GC? I don't think so. But I had a *lot* of specular in it, to compensate for lack of GC in those days. That is overdone with render GC enabled, for sure.

In any case, the new one I'm working now is auto GC so safe to use under all circumstances.

I have a new one. Patent leather.

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Whoops - the last one was not patent - I left some blur on the reflect.

Meanwhile, here is the new soft black.

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BB, the leather is looking fab! If you cruise my gallery at DeviantArt, you'll see that I use your leather shader often and I've used your car paint shader as PVC.

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Cool pics, LL. I had not seen those. Thanks.

Here's the proper patent leather. It's actually very similar to the car paint shader.

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These are not boots, but I love these shoes by Idler168. So many Poser shoes look stupid and toonish. Not these.

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I was hunting through my huge collection of Motley Crue pictures for a photo that I have in mind. I couldn't find it. A couple of the band members had some fine leather jackets that were blue black. There was a definite blue sheen when the light hit the leather. I would really like a a leather shader like that. I'm probably thinking of a picture that's in a magazine in storage back in Dallas. sigh

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If you have things in mind, please show a reference image.

I think I'm about done with the redo of the types of leathers I had before. The old leather shaders were not at all compatible with render GC, did not have nice organized parameters, and didn't do Fresnel reflection with exactitude. Now it does.

I'm still tweaking the "Shine" parameter so it is easy to use for all types of leather.

Here's a large render so you can see the bump pattern detail. I'm pretty satisfied with this, but was wondering if there were other patterns you think would be good to have. Don't ask for wrinkles - too hard for me. I'm not an expert yet. I have about another 3000 hours to go.

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Those shoes look painful L Nice, but painful.

And I love these new leathers. Beautiful, all of them. And with less sheen the "wrong" patent leather might work as neoprene (yea I know it's not leather but I'm going to need a good looking neoprene material one of the next days L)

I like the bumps very much. They look like leather. And I assume there's a way to change the size to fit what they're on? (or make some rougher leather if needed)

Some leather (swine skin) has like pores in it where the pig's hair used to be.. would that be possible to make?

Yes, changing the pattern size is easy - there's a parameter for it. There are three actually.

Pattern Size = width of each pattern unit
Pattern Softness = alters the shape and overlap of the pattern units
Bump Value = depth (amount of displacement) of each pattern unit

Here I boosted the Pattern Size and Bump Value, and decreased the Pattern Softness.

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> Quote - Some leather (swine skin) has like pores in it where the pig's hair used to be.. would that be possible to make?

Something like this? (Click it)

I didn't have to change anything to get this - just adjusting a couple parameters did it. I wasn't even aware the algorithm I came up with for the bump would produce this result. I found it by accident.

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pretty close it is

Love it!

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very good at making it look so random.

very random. fantastic.

Quote -

Something like this? (Click it)

I didn't have to change anything to get this - just adjusting a couple parameters did it. I wasn't even aware the algorithm I came up with for the bump would produce this result. I found it by accident.

These all look fantastic as usual.
Looking at the "swine skin" above, I'm thinking that the bump could possibly be inverted and used for "goose pimples" on human skin?

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Yes, the swine skin can be inverted. In fact, it *is* the inversion of the the regular pattern.

In the pattern generator there is a parameter that controls the width of a bump with respect to the separation between the bumps. To make the swine skin, I made that bump width really small, and then used a negative bump value. Here it is un-inverted.

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I found that I can push the pore mode a little more. Does this look better?

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That, as a matter 'o fact. nails it BB...great thread.. ...

Once in a while I look around,
I see a sound
and try to write it down
Sometimes they come out very soft
Tinkling light sound
The Sun comes up again

Last night I did a lot of work on fine-tuning the control functions driven by the master "Shine" parameter.

I want it to work as intuitively as possible. I'm trying to achieve a simple and obvious continuum from 0 to 1 where Shine does what you expect.

That one parameter simultaneously controls many others. As shine increases:

IOR increases
Reflection Value increases
Reflection Quality increases
Reflection Blur decreases
Specular Value increases
Specular Eccentricity decreases
Specular Rolloff increases
Bump decreases

Some of these are non-linear. The notion of master "Shine" is not a concept in physics, but a subjective one that I'm trying to capture, even though I'm not sure we all exactly agree on what Shine = .3 means versus Shine = .7. But I'd like to make a decision and settle on it, because I want a standard way to control Shine in every shader I produce, so I never have to explain it again.

I think the master Shine is really important, because unless you're me or ice-boy or some other incredibly detail-oriented shader jockey, you probably don't know what to do with those 8 values to make something more or less shiny. I'm trying to capture what I do when I go for a certain look in that one parameter.

Here is a visual catalog of Shine. (Click it) The first is .05, then .1, .2, .3, etc. all the way to 1, in steps of .1. The last one is, of course, patent leather.

Does this look like what you intuitively expect "Shine" to do?

Note that below .3 it doesn't look like leather, but rather like satin. That's odd, isn't it? Do we care?

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I think this should this should make sense to most anyone, seems logical to me even tho not an actual Poser/DAZ user, if I got into it this would help lots given my previous contact with procedurals in other apps...this is turning into what I always hope to read when monitoring threads site wise...well done for taking it this far man, even though it's essentially for your own benefit initially, a lot of folks I'm sure are getting educated by all this.. ...

Once in a while I look around,
I see a sound
and try to write it down
Sometimes they come out very soft
Tinkling light sound
The Sun comes up again

Thanks Bobby.

I added a Specular Color parameter, so Latexluv can have her "blue sheen". At least, I hope this does it. Maybe it's more complicated than that. I'd have to see it.

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Patent leather with a blue sheen. Look closely at the reflection of the sun. The white/blue transition around the highlight is interesting.

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Testing furniture leather with Shine=.3.

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BB,
These are so amazing. You have really guided Poser to a new level for creating art.
The ability to achieve renders with this kind of realism in a software the price of Poser is a real gift.
I truly appreciate all of your work and gifts.
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Yep, these are all great stuff. By the way you can plug a color map into these and have perfect control over the color pattern, if you have a suitable map (trying a holstein thing right now).

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pjz,
Looking forward to seeing the color map pluged in.
Outstanding modeling on these boots.
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This is just kinda thrown on to see if it worked (which it does), I'll do a nicer one for the final version.

and here's a gallery pic of the rigged/morphed version

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Very nice, Paul. If you don't care where the spots fall, you can do the same with a spots node.

What I can't do with nodes is zebra!! At least I think it's hard. No! Musn't attempt it! Must ... finish ... leather.

Thanks for the kind words, LLL.

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I considered that but I have the UV seam to contend with, it's not quite that easy. is it?

and yeah I could do something like that on a 2d square surface and "bake" it, for this case it was just as fast to paint it (already done)

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Actually a cheapass way to deal with the UV seam would have been to have a break in the geometry that goes all the way down the boot and place it there, but I didn't do that, I wanted to leave the physical-looking seam type stuff out of the base geometry and put it in with displacement instead.

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and done

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That's fucking awesome.

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Paul,
The spots are terrific.
This is all so impressive and I will be very glad to have the new matmatic that turns off GC.
I used to be phobic about all of the nodes in the material room. As a vendor, i know that so many buyers are very new and some never venture into the material room or as Paul says, know nothing about GC.

Once I did a VSS render in PoserPro 2010, I was completely blown away by the quality. In reality, the people who purchase our products want to create art. With these shader that BB and others are creating (based many times on BB's info), the quality of everyone's art goes up.

To really grow, as a vendor, the challenge is to make these shaders work for the newbie. Preferably without having to give them lots of documentation to read. Having the ability in the shaders to control turning GC on and off is a huge plus.

Because of the realism of these kinds of shaders, when I model the geometry I now take a lot of time defining my material zones. All of my new products have plenty of material zones so I can mix these shaders, eliminate seams and lay out designs ahead of time. This way i can mix latex, leather,lace,transmapped laces and now suede and have it look great.

I would be interested in knowing how others are dealing with the new 'shader evolution' in their design process.
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lululee

good job guys. i bow down to you.

Very flattering, thanks :)

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I changed the reptile pattern a bit. I think it's an improvement.

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That looks pretty excellent, yeah.

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Outstanding!
Cheerio
lululee

The weekend is about to start, and I am about to travel home to it. Which means I may not Poserize much.

So - I created a leather page on my site.

http://sites.google.com/site/bagginsbill/free-stuff/leather

For now, this holds my work-in-progress shaders in a zip file. Feel free to try them out, discuss with each other what the parameters do, etc.

Future readers will find that page has the final shaders in it, and there may be some differences from what is discussed at this moment.

I added one that has no built-in procedural bump - use it with bump maps that you may have already.

There is a Color Map in it - note that this is multiplied with the PM:Diffuse Color, as a tinting device, which in most of the shaders defaults to black. Change that to white to use a Color Map as is.

The "cracks" one is messed up - I'll fix it. But check out the reptile.

I'm not going to supply a bunch of pre-built colors at the moment. Go in and set up new colors - share the RGB values if you find particularly good ones, please.

Of course you can play and adjust the pattern settings, but for each fundamental pattern type I supplied a shader. Some of them are just variations of "Leather", while "Reptile" is actually a different shader. Note that Patent leather is just a variation of the main leather.

I removed some of the links between the master PM:Shine and the bump and a couple other things. They were counterintuitive if you were not aware of it doing that. In particular, choosing max shine eliminated all bump. While convenient for making patent leather, not really necessary - it's easy enough to let you control the bump and set it to 0 if you want to.

See you later.

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> Quote - Thanks Bobby. > > I added a Specular Color parameter, so Latexluv can have her "blue sheen". At least, I hope this does it. Maybe it's more complicated than that. I'd have to see it.

That looks really good. I found a photo that is close to what I remember. I looked closely thinking that there might be a blue light in the photo (plus the background is blue also), but one band member, the second from the right, is wearing a plastic material and it's reflecting white while the rest who are wearing leather are reflecting blue black. I resized the photo for posting.

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Quote - > Quote - Some leather (swine skin) has like pores in it where the pig's hair used to be.. would that be possible to make?

Something like this? (Click it)

I didn't have to change anything to get this - just adjusting a couple parameters did it. I wasn't even aware the algorithm I came up with for the bump would produce this result. I found it by accident.

YES! Perfect!

And isn't it just fun when something emerges "by accident"? Sometimes the best things are made that way!

(like me ROFL!)

Quote -

That looks really good. I found a photo that is close to what I remember

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This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
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Quote - Yes, changing the pattern size is easy - there's a parameter for it. There are three actually.

Pattern Size = width of each pattern unit
Pattern Softness = alters the shape and overlap of the pattern units
Bump Value = depth (amount of displacement) of each pattern unit

Here I boosted the Pattern Size and Bump Value, and decreased the Pattern Softness.

Thanks for eating all my spare time this week, BB :0) I'm fascinated with the reptile material, and have been applying it to way too many things (photos eventually). I found "Pattern Size" (listed as "Pattern Scale"), and Bump's easily found - they are both on the first row as you laid them out.

I can't find "Pattern Softness" among the however many nodes on the Reptile Mat though. Does it end up with another name in the latest version/update of Poser8? Anyone find it?

But seriously. Thank you ALL, and especially BBm for all the excellent stuff you share, even if I have to get my Mech. Engineer major son to explain some of the math.

I forgot to include Pattern Softness in the reptile one. I'm not even sure how I'd fold that in - it's a different bump algorithm. (obviously)

Glad you like it. Sorry about your time. grin

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Playing with pjz's boots.

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Pjz, your suede shader looks like the shoe material called "nubuck".

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Well it's actually Bagginsbill's shader, so any credit or blame should go to him ;) I did tune it a bit for color and of course the holstein map though.

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First off, thanks for the leather shader BB!

I have a question about the leather shader. What would the settings need to be, if I wanted to make metallic leather, like that of 60s sci-fi?

Quote - First off, thanks for the leather shader BB!

I have a question about the leather shader. What would the settings need to be, if I wanted to make metallic leather, like that of 60s sci-fi?

You're welcome.

For a metallic leather, the surface isn't leather at all, even though underneath it is. You want a metal shader. There are many varieties, but I'm guessing you want this one:

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2704159

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BB, you are the man! That's exactly what I was looking for, Thanks!

That suede shader is EPIC. Sadly I don't have anything to make sueded right now, but I will definitely come back and get it when I need suede in the future

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So did you ever get the Zebra nodes worked out BB?

"I'm just interested to know if the suede looks like suede and the leather looks like leather"

HeyDork, ".those don't look like leather or suede to me at all."

I have to agree.

Quote - So did you ever get the Zebra nodes worked out BB?

Nope. I have some ideas in mind how to do procedural patterns like that or leopard, but they can't be implemented in Poser without some new features in the material system.

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Quote - "I'm just interested to know if the suede looks like suede and the leather looks like leather"

HeyDork, ".those don't look like leather or suede to me at all."

I have to agree.

That was six months ago. Keep reading.

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Actually I'm pretty sure he was talking about the initial post, also six months ago but you're not to blame for that.

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" six months ago"

I thought it was a recent post and failed to notice the 5 further pages. I will be more careful sorry. :)

Quote - Actually I'm pretty sure he was talking about the initial post, also six months ago but you're not to blame for that.

Not that this matters to anything, but I'm confused by what you wrote.

I thought he was referring your third post, Jul 14, 2010 5:00 pm, because he quoted it.

Your initial post, Jul 14, 2010 4:46 pm, 4 minutes earlier, was not what he quoted, and did not ask specifically about the materials.

In any case, this is a distinction that escapes me. grin

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When you make a fool out of yourself, you should at least try to keep a certain amount of dignity and aplomb, and not compond to the folly!

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sorry to dig this out....but is there anywhere the suede shaders in a material file BB?

thanks!!!

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thanks BB...i saw it but i didn't read that you said to remove the txt fro the filename...

:)

Sorry to resurrect this zombie thread, but...whatever happened to BB's suede shader? It looks amazing, and some of us are still using Firefly.

The 2 links on the second page of this thread he referred to above give a Page Not Found error message, so I went to his File Cabinet and found a "WIP" of a Leather shader. He has a link back to the first page of this thread for reference, so I'm assuming this is the shader, as far as he got with it.

https://sites.google.com/site/bagginsbill/free-stuff/leather

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Butterfly Dezignz

Thanks, I have those shaders (that black leather is my default for leather textures) but the suede isn't included.

He originally uploaded it to his post as an attached file. But it looks like Rosity no longer allows that? Which I guess means all the scripts, etc. that were posted in the forums are gone?

Ahhhh, I thought it might have included both. Hmmmm, yes I too wonder about his scripts, though I would think most, if not all, of them are on his site somewhere.

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I have what I believe is the suede that BB posted on page 2 of this thread - it's accompanied by a text file which echoes his comments about the parameters, anyway. I think he posted an .MT5 file directly - you could do that back then. Fortunately the forum has been upgraded to prevent such generosity. (And also the use of pseudo-HTML tags to indicate sarcasm. Now I remember why I don't bother coming here very often.)

In the absence of any terms of use, I can make it available if BB gives permission.

Fortunately the forum has been upgraded to prevent such generosity.

I was afraid of that. ?

And it apparently nuked all the scripts, materials, etc. that people posted here that way in the past. Boo!

EnglishBob posted at 11:53PM Sun, 27 December 2020 - #4408762

I have what I believe is the suede that BB posted on page 2 of this thread - it's accompanied by a text file which echoes his comments about the parameters, anyway. I think he posted an .MT5 file directly - you could do that back then. Fortunately the forum has been upgraded to prevent such generosity. (And also the use of pseudo-HTML tags to indicate sarcasm. Now I remember why I don't bother coming here very often.)

In the absence of any terms of use, I can make it available if BB gives permission.

Ohhh, so THAT's what caused those error messages.

Well if BB gives permission for you to share it, I'd certainly like it, and I'm sure @randym77 will as well.

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Please do share it. Anything I post in a forum (not my site) is/was meant to be spread by others.

The loss of these attachments is, in part, why I stopped writing here.

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bagginsbill posted at 1:05PM Mon, 28 December 2020 - #4408796

Please do share it. Anything I post in a forum (not my site) is/was meant to be spread by others.

The loss of these attachments is, in part, why I stopped writing here.

Thanks for stopping by and giving permission to share it, as I missed getting it when you originally posted those attachments.

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Since the door is open, any chance of a Superfly suede shader?

The one they include in Poser 11 isn't that good.

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bagginsbill posted at 6:10PM Tue, 29 December 2020 - #4408796

Please do share it. Anything I post in a forum (not my site) is/was meant to be spread by others.

The loss of these attachments is, in part, why I stopped writing here.

Same here. Also, I had forgotten that forum notifications don't work.

So, without further ado: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RpdEhMEPabUY3YSdrQUXu7sKGE0mgBCh/view?usp=sharing

For superfly, try this shader. Copy and paste it into a text editor and save as an mt5 file

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        reflectThruKd 0 
        textureMap NO_MAP
        bumpMap NO_MAP
        reflectionMap NO_MAP
        transparencyMap NO_MAP
        ReflectionColor 1 1 1 0 
        reflectionStrength 0 
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}

here is the image you need with it. It's my own creation so feel free to distribute it with the shader. It's supposed to be a png. I don't know what format the forum will save it as. It might need to be converted.

suede bump.png

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EnglishBob posted at 7:43PM Wed, 30 December 2020 - #4408914

So, without further ado: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RpdEhMEPabUY3YSdrQUXu7sKGE0mgBCh/view?usp=sharing

Hmmm . . .That link is giving me a blank white page, and I'm assuming that's not what it's supposed to do.

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Miss B posted at 8:59PM Wed, 30 December 2020 - #4408997

EnglishBob posted at 7:43PM Wed, 30 December 2020 - #4408914

So, without further ado: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RpdEhMEPabUY3YSdrQUXu7sKGE0mgBCh/view?usp=sharing

Hmmm . . .That link is giving me a blank white page, and I'm assuming that's not what it's supposed to do.

You'll get a blank page if you have scripts blocked.

randym77 posted at 10:11PM Wed, 30 December 2020 - #4409001

Miss B posted at 8:59PM Wed, 30 December 2020 - #4408997

EnglishBob posted at 7:43PM Wed, 30 December 2020 - #4408914

So, without further ado: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RpdEhMEPabUY3YSdrQUXu7sKGE0mgBCh/view?usp=sharing

Hmmm . . .That link is giving me a blank white page, and I'm assuming that's not what it's supposed to do.

You'll get a blank page if you have scripts blocked.

Hmmmm, OK. I guess that sort of makes sense. I'll try again and see what happens.

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Well, I checked my browser settings, and my Norton/Lifelock settings, and I don't see anything that mentions blocking scripts. Hmmmm . . .

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I'll email it to you if you PM me your email address.

randym77 posted at 1:58PM Thu, 31 December 2020 - #4409011

I'll email it to you if you PM me your email address.

Done, and thanks.

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Sent. If Google decides to permit attachments today.

If anyone else is having trouble, it might help to try a different browser. IME, Edge/Internet Explorer doesn't block anything. ;-) And Chrome is a Google product, so maybe will get along with Google Drive better?

Received, downloaded and installed. Now to play with it.

I use Firefox, and I looked for settings on their Security page, but couldn't find anything that could help. I'll have to look into it further, in case there's ever another issue not being able to see something that should ordinarily be viewable.

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Sorry folks, I'll try to find somewhere else to upload it.

I have other BB forum freebies, any interest in a BagginsBill retrospective collection?

EnglishBob posted at 12:10PM Fri, 01 January 2021 - #4409154

Sorry folks, I'll try to find somewhere else to upload it.

I have other BB forum freebies, any interest in a BagginsBill retrospective collection?

Hell, yeah!

randym77 posted at 1:41PM Fri, 01 January 2021 - #4409164

EnglishBob posted at 12:10PM Fri, 01 January 2021 - #4409154

Sorry folks, I'll try to find somewhere else to upload it.

I have other BB forum freebies, any interest in a BagginsBill retrospective collection?

Hell, yeah!

Me too!!

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Two votes for 'hell, yeah' - that'll do. ;)

I've found these in addition to the suede: Stocking + Leg Shader Nylon Lamé

I use all these regularly, so they've stood the test of time for Firefly users. If anyone knows of anything else that I might have, now would be a good time to mention it. Remember I can only redistribute forum freebies, not stuff that's already on BB's site of course.

Thanks for the links sir.

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Miss B posted at 6:50AM Sat, 02 January 2021 - #4409213

Thanks for the links sir.

You're very welcome, of course, but to the best of my knowledge, the actual downloads in all those threads are broken. I was planning to put those shaders into my BagginsBill retrospective collection - that's what I was trying to say. Sorry for any confusion!

EnglishBob posted at 9:53PM Sat, 02 January 2021 - #4409224

Miss B posted at 6:50AM Sat, 02 January 2021 - #4409213

Thanks for the links sir.

You're very welcome, of course, but to the best of my knowledge, the actual downloads in all those threads are broken. I was planning to put those shaders into my BagginsBill retrospective collection - that's what I was trying to say. Sorry for any confusion!

Ahhhh, OK. I understand.

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The goodies are here: Lame, Nylon, Stockings and Suede as collected from around the forum and distributed with the kind and generous permission of bagginsbill. Thanks also to Anniemation for hosting the remnants of Morphography!

http://www.anniemation.com/Morphography/downloads/BBForumMaterials.zip

Thank you sir, most appreciated.

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Ooh, thanks! Neatly packaged, too.

Miss B posted at 1:56PM Mon, 04 January 2021 - #4409338

Thank you sir, most appreciated.

randym77 posted at 1:57PM Mon, 04 January 2021 - #4409351

Ooh, thanks! Neatly packaged, too.

Very welcome. I felt I ought to put some work into the project.

Here's an alternative link in case of any difficulties in the future. https://sta.sh/01yxhfw07wz8

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