amy_aimei opened this issue on Sep 12, 2010 · 76 posts
amy_aimei posted Sun, 12 September 2010 at 4:05 PM
I spent many hours wandering in many sites related to Poser/DAZ Studio, it seems that DAZ's Victoria 4 is the most popular character. I see her everywhere. Sometimes I think Miki or Terai Yuki should be popular in Japan, it seems not the case. I really wonder why it is the case.
Is it possible to have another character to be that popular? What make Victoria 4 so popular? Why contents creators choose Victoria 4?
Will a "non-commercial" character become such popular?
WandW posted Sun, 12 September 2010 at 4:16 PM
She's a decent model, she's versatile and DAZ made sure that there was a lot of stuff for her when she was introduced (which gives DAZ figures a huge step up on non-commercial figures). The base figure is also free.
I think that V3 could have been jazzed up with some JCMs, but then that would break existing clothing.
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"Oh - the manual says that? I have never read the manual - this must be why."hborre posted Sun, 12 September 2010 at 4:22 PM Online Now!
Marketing. Generate a huge following by providing a free base, provide tons of outfits and accessories for a modest price, and you have an instant winner. If you make it easy for vendors to create content within a relatively short amount of time and effort, you will see the popularity of such models grow exponentially. And if you include features which make these models as close to realistic as possible, the fan base will grow further.
But there are other models available which have better versatility and fan popularity, however lack major vendor support and attention. Apollo is one. He has almost faded into oblivion, but there are many diehard fans that still enjoy using him in their renders. And there is Antonia, currently developed as a collaboration between many contributors here at Rendo. She is gaining popularity as more users discover how much more versatile she is to V4, then again, there isn't an overwhelming support for her just yet.
lesbentley posted Sun, 12 September 2010 at 5:00 PM
I agree with everything hborre said!
RobynsVeil posted Sun, 12 September 2010 at 5:08 PM
So do I: I think he's got his finger on the proverbial pulse on this one.
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RedPhantom posted Sun, 12 September 2010 at 5:13 PM Site Admin
I also agree with hborre. Plus vicky can be used without ever cent on software. She is free. There are free textures, free clothing, and can be used with dazstudio which is also free. And she ride in on V3's coat tails. V3 was very well supported and free too.
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SamTherapy posted Sun, 12 September 2010 at 5:21 PM
Quote - Marketing. Generate a huge following by providing a free base, provide tons of outfits and accessories for a modest price, and you have an instant winner. If you make it easy for vendors to create content within a relatively short amount of time and effort, you will see the popularity of such models grow exponentially. And if you include features which make these models as close to realistic as possible, the fan base will grow further.
But there are other models available which have better versatility and fan popularity, however lack major vendor support and attention. Apollo is one. He has almost faded into oblivion, but there are many diehard fans that still enjoy using him in their renders. And there is Antonia, currently developed as a collaboration between many contributors here at Rendo. She is gaining popularity as more users discover how much more versatile she is to V4, then again, there isn't an overwhelming support for her just yet.
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Cyberwoman posted Sun, 12 September 2010 at 5:33 PM
I agree with hborre like everyone else. I also have a theory that the earlier versions of Vicky were better than the figures included with Poser at the time, and the current popularity is a holdover from then. Can't be sure, though, since I wasn't involved in CG at the time; that's just a possible explanation I've thought of.
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ShawnDriscoll posted Mon, 13 September 2010 at 1:00 AM
It helps that DAZ3D offers V4 and Studio for free to the masses.
mihoshi1de posted Mon, 13 September 2010 at 2:29 AM
Apart from all that has been said before, I like that Aiko 4 and Steph4 are now morphs for Vicky - makes it easier to create interesting charas with mixed morphs and dress them.
Also, out of all the shops I know, DAZ' website looks the most professional and is the easiest to navigate. Makes you feel safe to buy there, which isn't entirely unimportant. (And the awesome looking shop art in promo pics surely helps sales, too.)
estherau posted Mon, 13 September 2010 at 8:15 AM
Hi, yes I think it is because there are so many add-on products for V4, clothes, poses etc.
I think all her magnets and magentizing clothing is a bit painful though. the magnets take up so much space in the heirachy editor for example.
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amy_aimei posted Mon, 13 September 2010 at 10:20 PM
Many pointed out that Victoria 4 is free. It is not true for me, I bought it when it is not free. Is it possible to get a refund because the product becomes free of charge?
What make more vendors to create contents for Victoria 4 than another character? For me, it is not easy too. As Esther mentioned, the magnetize clothing is a bit painful and the size is big.
BTW, Apollo is a great character.
Paloth posted Mon, 13 September 2010 at 11:24 PM
And there is Antonia, currently developed as a collaboration between many contributors here at Rendo. She is gaining popularity as more users discover how much more versatile she is to V4, then again, there isn't an overwhelming support for her just yet.
Is Antonia really more versatile than V4? She certainly bends better, but last time I checked she didn't include a fraction of the sort of morphs that Daz sells for V4. The "swiss army knife" approach to figure creation is what Poser users have come to expect. The only one who has handled that aspect better than Daz up to this point is Anton. Of course it helps to have a small army of content creators churning out costumes for a new figure.
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Coleman posted Tue, 14 September 2010 at 3:24 AM
What female Poser-ready rigged figure is better than Vicki ? Why?
estherau posted Tue, 14 September 2010 at 4:41 AM
estherau posted Tue, 14 September 2010 at 4:42 AM
apart from her back hump and spaggheti arms. Her face was very morphable with lots of polys (more in the lips than V4)
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imax24 posted Tue, 14 September 2010 at 10:59 AM
Why are Windows and MS Word so popular? To some extent it is a cycle that feeds on itself: Everybody gets V4 because everybody HAS V4.
I do think V4 and M4 are superior to the figures that SM packages with Poser (which I started out using like everyone else who buys Poser). But I think the gap is less than a few years ago. I wonder if some of that superiority is simply based on the fact that the universe consists of Vicky clothing and the offerings for SM's characters are much more limited.
Miss Nancy posted Tue, 14 September 2010 at 12:04 PM
v4 is used alot due to shrewd marketing and peer pressure IMVHO.
what choice do they have? either use it or be ostracised by their peers.
estherau posted Tue, 14 September 2010 at 7:08 PM
huh, I don't think anyone will ostracize me for not using V4. It's just there are a lot more clothes and poses, couples poses etc. makes making my comic easier.
Actually I have managed to put morphs into the V4 on V3 body that came with it using morcloth and so I can use V3 as the same character when I want and still use my V3 clothes and poses too.
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edgeverse posted Tue, 14 September 2010 at 7:11 PM
Of all the female figures for Poser/Daz3D.. V4 is the biggest one. I mean, do a google search or a search content paradise, rendo or sharecg, if its clothing, morphs, textures, etc.. its out there for her.
There are plenty of other figures out there that are as good as V4.
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gagnonrich posted Wed, 15 September 2010 at 10:45 AM
Actually, V4 is popular because of V1, V2, and V3. Everybody else's explanations still apply. Victoria's popularity is largely based on the popularity and widespread use of the original Victoria character.
When the first Victoria debuted, it was a much better figure than the P4 female figure. As the Poser program started shifting from its original intent to be a software mannequin to a product used to create artistic renders, there came to be a greater need for more realistic figures. The original Victoria and Michael filled that void. Community support for Poser content shifted from the less realistic figures that came with Poser 4 to the DAZ figures. The companies owning Poser in those early years didn't challenge that new secondary market for selling Poser content and have not been able to get it back now that they want to be in it.
There is currently a momentum behind the DAZ figures that's hard for new figures to break into. It doesn't mean it can never happen, but DAZ has done a good job of not losing that ground. DAZ did learn lessons from the meager support for the first Aiko and Stephanie and now introduce new figures with loads of available content when they first come out.
The main reason V4 is popular is because of the past popularity of the earlier figures. Customers know that the DAZ line of figures will be fully supported by the company and by the community. It's a sure bet that V5 will be the most successful figure when it is introduced. It will have little to do with how much better that new figure is from V4 or other figures.
Let's not forget that the community buys into the new Victoria and other DAZ figures. People, that could just as easily use V3 in their images, use V4. They repurchase all the clothing, textures, and poses, that they already have with V3. We live in a society that loves change solely for the sake of change. There isn't always a practical reason for those changes.
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edgeverse posted Wed, 15 September 2010 at 11:13 AM
Daz do make some great quality figures, no doubt. But other figure seem to be left in the cold as far as product add ons, freebies, etc go.
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ShawnDriscoll posted Wed, 15 September 2010 at 8:47 PM
Quote - There are plenty of other figures out there that are as good as V4.
Plenty? Which ones? From Smith Micro or from one of the medical 3D sites?
edgeverse posted Wed, 15 September 2010 at 9:10 PM
Antonia Polygon
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Marque posted Thu, 16 September 2010 at 8:53 AM
If I'm not mistaken the V4 base has always been free, if you paid for the morphs over 30 days ago you can't get a refund. If you look on your receipt you should see V4 as free. If not I would ask at Daz about a refund, not here.
I like all the Vickies for different things but as content creators get better they will typically create for the new models.
Gazukull posted Thu, 16 September 2010 at 5:30 PM
She is awesome?
SamTherapy posted Thu, 16 September 2010 at 5:58 PM
Quote - Many pointed out that Victoria 4 is free. It is not true for me, I bought it when it is not free. Is it possible to get a refund because the product becomes free of charge?
That's a risk you take with anything you buy, ever.
The companies who sell the stuff don't come round your house and ask for more money if the price goes up, so you just have to suck it up when it goes the other way.
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SamTherapy posted Thu, 16 September 2010 at 5:59 PM
Quote - She is awesome?
Surely you jest.
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gr_mcintyre posted Thu, 16 September 2010 at 6:24 PM
I much prefer V3 to V4, and it makes me very sad that there's pretty much nothing being made for her any longer.
edgeverse posted Thu, 16 September 2010 at 7:04 PM
I liked V3 as well.
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RobynsVeil posted Thu, 16 September 2010 at 7:19 PM
Quote - I much prefer V3 to V4, and it makes me very sad that there's pretty much nothing being made for her any longer.
I'd see this as an opportunity to learn how to make things for her yourself. Imagine the satisfaction you'd get out of it!
Also, you can obtain any number of tools to convert V4 items to V3... personally, I like using Blender3D for that purpose, and Obj2Cr2 to make the modded item into a conforming clothing again from the obj file. Amazing how much you learn about mesh having a good look at it in Blender3D. I've learned to admire some people's work... Fabiana stands out as a premiere modeller!
Besides, this gives you a chance to tweak a thing or two and make the item even better than before. Can't do that with Fabiana's mesh though: impossible to improve on perfection.
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SnowSultan posted Fri, 17 September 2010 at 12:49 AM
Quote - "She is awesome?"
I'll probably be outnumbered 10 to 1 as I usually am here nowadays, but yeah, I think it's simply because she is a superior figure. She has many body-shaping morphs that allow for a variety of aged or full-figured shapes, creature morphs which most other figures do not even have, very flexible expressions, variable sized UV maps that allow for more detail in areas that previous versions did not, the base figure is free and she has a ton of support. People like to bring up the bending problems, but any figure that is going to be flexible and support morphs that drastically change the body shape will have similar issues. A lot of the time when we see a figure rendered in a high-end program that has perfect elbows or shoulder bends with no postwork, it's because the figure was modeled for a static pose. It's like buying a poseable action figure or a resin anime model; the model will look perfect because it doesn't have to be flexible.
I think the real issue many people have with V4 is because can be a headache for some people to use in Poser. That is a legitimate problem, but it shouldn't detract from the actual figure.
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ShawnDriscoll posted Fri, 17 September 2010 at 1:16 AM
I'm currently learning all I can about Poser (and V3 because I like V3 better than V4) so that I can practice making (cloth, skin, and hair) content for her with an ultimate goal of converting my own standalone 3D figure I've modeled to work with all the V3 content that's out there.
gagnonrich posted Fri, 17 September 2010 at 9:14 AM
Quote - I much prefer V3 to V4, and it makes me very sad that there's pretty much nothing being made for her any longer.
You've already bought all of the tens of thousands of products that were made for V3? There's no great shortage of items that were created for that figure. The amount of new stuff is shrinking, but finding content (free or paid) is still easy.
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patorak3d posted Fri, 17 September 2010 at 9:31 AM
I wonder why Renderosity never launched their own line of figures.
WandW posted Fri, 17 September 2010 at 9:51 AM
They tried with Renda, but as I understand it, the artist that they hired to create her apparently incorporated someone else's JCMs...
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"Oh - the manual says that? I have never read the manual - this must be why."crowbar posted Fri, 17 September 2010 at 10:29 AM
you never really know what you are getting with a figure or textures whether its v4 or v3
the lighting set-ups and angles have been tweaked so much in the publicity images!
when I had a really unimaginative spell a while back I loaded a blank v3 then went through each morph/texture package I had in a scene with consistent lighting and resolution and camera angle
took one shot then on to the next
did the same with v4 - It did help me find the strong textures or morphs out there and all I would say is that nearly all v4 morph/texture packages beforethe V4 elite series were probably worse than the best V3
patorak3d posted Fri, 17 September 2010 at 11:12 AM
A real shame...I mean considering figure creation starts with rigging first...and a low poly mesh built around it. ...Poly flow developed to reduce the number of JCM's
Diogenes posted Fri, 17 September 2010 at 7:39 PM
Quote - *They tried with Renda, but as I understand it, the artist that they hired to create her apparently incorporated someone else's JCMs...
She looks good...too bad the artist didn't have the courage to use their own JCM's
A real shame...I mean considering figure creation starts with rigging first...and a low poly mesh built around it. ...Poly flow developed to reduce the number of JCM's
The JCM's likely wouldn.t work well either, unless they had the same geometry and JP's as well.
As to the OP's question : in a nutshell, marketing and support. You can sell anyone anything, no matter how good or bad it is, as long as you have the marketing and support for it.
santicor posted Fri, 17 September 2010 at 9:23 PM
hah that "renda" glimpse was funny - seems like a fig totally ripped off of V4.
I hate V4 - its just that it seems like she always ends up looking good in your render no matter how F'd up you set her up.
sort of like "ends justify the means" philosophy went into her build.
cuz right off the shelf she look like shit.
@ P3D - I recently closely matched the dimensions of a Poser native fig so I could see what would happen if I stole the rig - I mean i made the fig so that JCs could basically match up - and yeah the JCMs didnt serve my particular mesh well, even with the JCs doing not bad on a basic level.
also the whole array of application scale of the JCMS will never be right for your own mesh also , even with joint centers matching.
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Diogenes posted Fri, 17 September 2010 at 10:05 PM
Quote - hah that "renda" glimpse was funny - seems like a fig totally ripped off of V4.
I hate V4 - its just that it seems like she always ends up looking good in your render no matter how F'd up you set her up.
sort of like "ends justify the means" philosophy went into her build.
cuz right off the shelf she look like shit.
@ P3D - I recently closely matched the dimensions of a Poser native fig so I could see what would happen if I stole the rig - I mean i made the fig so that JCs could basically match up - and yeah the JCMs didnt serve my particular mesh well, even with the JCs doing not bad on a basic level.
also the whole array of application scale of the JCMS will never be right for your own mesh also , even with joint centers matching.
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Nice figure you have going there. Good to see something new.
I agree, I always hated V4, because of the magnets. I liked her topology it was pretty smooth. But I hated all the mags and slow load times. She does look bland right out of the box, but I think that may be by design. It leaves more options open that way, she can be easily morphed into varied shapes. But with all the power of daz behind her of course she will be the most popular figure, was there ever any doubt? If another group (you would need a group) were to start making kickass figures, it would still take many years to ever top the daz figures in popularity. You have market trend and the general buyers perceptions to deal with. Truth and quality really have no say in the market in short term. If everyone believes something is just the bomb then it is. Long term, perhaps truth and quality may win out, but not likely.
patorak3d posted Fri, 17 September 2010 at 10:11 PM
*As to the OP's question : in a nutshell, marketing and support. You can sell anyone anything, no matter how good or bad it is, as long as you have the marketing and support for it.
Remember the "pet rock"
Anyhoo...sounds like daz has the Poserverse in the palm of their hands...no beating 'em...so i'll get back to watching the grass grow.
odf posted Fri, 17 September 2010 at 10:36 PM Online Now!
I think V4 has a lot of potential. If I were DAZ, I'd leave the mesh and the morphs as they are and concentrate on improving the rigging. As a Poser user I'm very sad to say this, but I'd probably also create my own rigging system within D|S and distribute a Poser-8-compatible version as a separate figure. I would definitely not support pre-8-Poser for the next generation of figures.
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Diogenes posted Fri, 17 September 2010 at 11:59 PM
Quote - *The JCM's likely wouldn.t work well either, unless they had the same geometry and JP's as well.
I hope they had enough confidence in their abilities not to do that...use the same geometry and rigging.
*As to the OP's question : in a nutshell, marketing and support. You can sell anyone anything, no matter how good or bad it is, as long as you have the marketing and support for it.
Remember the "pet rock"
Anyhoo...sounds like daz has the Poserverse in the palm of their hands...no beating 'em...so i'll get back to watching the grass grow.
Hi patorak,
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RobynsVeil posted Sat, 18 September 2010 at 12:04 AM
Rigging. There is an interesting concept.
This is going to be the dumb question of the year coming from a complete and utter rigging noob.
What I'm reading here is that V4 uses magnets to deform / move / twist polygons/mesh in the areas that need to be affected when she moves, say, an arm or something forward or backward. This is, I assume, to prevent distortion and for skin and everything to look as natural as possible in whatever position she is in.
Joint-controlled morphs would/should do the same thing? So, let's say we move her arm forward: the mesh in the armpit should crease and fold up like real skin does? Wouldn't that require a higher-density mesh where the creases/folds are? with attention to edge-loops to allow natural folding as much as possible...
Trying to get my head around this... so, let's say someone were to re-rig V4 (don't know if that's even legal to do, but anyway): they would have to go from the basic object file, re-create a bones system, define on what axes the bones articulate, and then through placing the appendage in a given position, create mesh morphs of the affected area that would look as natural as possible for that position.
Sounds like a really fun project. There are some incredible wizards that have done just that with Antonia, is my understanding, so it can be done. But for V4, would that require shifting/adding/rearranging mesh to allow re-rigging to work properly.
Perhaps they could consider this for V5.
So much I really don't understand about all this! But in my ignorance of what's involved I can't help but think that it certainly would be fun to try and rig a figure.
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odf posted Sat, 18 September 2010 at 12:20 AM Online Now!
Quote -
So much I really don't understand about all this! But in my ignorance of what's involved I can't help but think that it certainly would be fun to try and rig a figure.
It's not really that much fun if you're doing it with Poser, although the new ways of creating falloff zones that were introduced in Poser 8 look like a substantial improvement. Also, colorcurvature's new morph loader should make it much easier to create JCMs. But my feeling is that if you feel at home with Blender, you should probably try that first. The downside, of course, would be that you couldn't use your Blender rig in Poser.
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estherau posted Sat, 18 September 2010 at 6:49 AM
ODF - I disagree about the V4 mesh being good. well unless they can put more polys in her face. it's hard to make a certain specific look with V4 face. looks like michael jackson and maralyn munro are easy, but other specific looks are not easy atall and maybe impossible eg I tried to make her look like a V3 character I was using in my comic and I just couldnt because of lack of polys around her lips,
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RobynsVeil posted Sat, 18 September 2010 at 6:58 AM
Hi Esther, I think what odf meant by "It's not really that much fun if you're doing it with Poser, although the new ways of creating falloff zones that were introduced in Poser 8 look like a substantial improvement" was that creating a new rigging was going to be enhanced by Poser 8 features, and those by colorcurvature... the underlying mesh is still poxy, unlike Antonia's mesh.
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estherau posted Sat, 18 September 2010 at 7:06 AM
my first thought when I saw colorcurvature proggie advertised was that maybe someone could redo V3 rigging and make her intoa V5 rather than use V4. V3 had better tendonn and muscle definition and better face for morphing. V3 also had problems like spaghetti arms and a back hump that always made her look about 60 yrs old from the side. I bet these problems could be removed by someone clever.
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odf posted Sat, 18 September 2010 at 7:09 AM Online Now!
Personally, I found V3's mesh terrible and completely useless for morphing. That was one of the main reasons for me to start working on my own figure. V4 is much cleaner. But everyone has different tastes.
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RobynsVeil posted Sat, 18 September 2010 at 7:14 AM
That's pretty much what I was thinking too, hence my line of inquiry, Esther. There's a lot about rigging I haven't a clue about, but I understand that in order for mesh to deform properly in extreme flexion and extension positions, one has to be mindful of edgeloops and mesh density. Which is one area that apparently the V4 developers had to compromise on: polygon count vs reasonable mesh density in the right areas. Beyond that, it's all a bit of a grey area.
How grey? Charcoal? I'm wide open for correction and illumination...
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RobynsVeil posted Sat, 18 September 2010 at 7:22 AM
Quote - Personally, I found V3's mesh terrible and completely useless for morphing. ...
Probably true, except around the lips, according to Esther.
Personally, I have found V4 reasonably suitable for my needs, but then, I don't stray far from the sandbox. And gleefully purchase improvements to the figure like the shoulder-fix, only just because I've been able to get her to work well for me.
Whether V5 (if such a creature is in development) will be very attractive to me will depend a lot on how much of V4's stuff she's able to use without much mucking around with the mesh to get stuff to fit. Clothing quality has improved some since V4's been out, so a lot of my V3 stuff is in mothballs, but you wait until I get those folds and wrinkles sculpting working properly in the new Blender... V4's getting a really flash new wardrobe from her older sister.
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estherau posted Sat, 18 September 2010 at 7:27 AM
will be interested to see what u come up with Robyn.
well V4 is okay for a lot of things and if rerigged plus no magnets - she would be quite good i bet. i thought v3 had more potential (just because of her face morphs and muscularity in her limbs) but i see there are technical problems
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patorak3d posted Sat, 18 September 2010 at 8:50 PM
*Hi patorak,
Don't quit! Keep on going. But just remember, it's a long row to hoe, and mostly rock and gravel.
Thank you for the encouragement. Questions are though...what do i do with the rocks and gravel and how do i make it easier for those planting the seeds behind me.
Dave-So posted Sat, 18 September 2010 at 9:21 PM
i agree
where do i get antonia ?
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Quote - i agree
where do i get antonia ?
How can you ask such a question in a thread about a DAZ figure? Do you have no shame? :lol:
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Dave-So posted Sat, 18 September 2010 at 9:35 PM
none
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woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound
together.
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Diogenes posted Sat, 18 September 2010 at 10:54 PM
Quote - *Hi patorak,
Don't quit! Keep on going. But just remember, it's a long row to hoe, and mostly rock and gravel.
Thank you for the encouragement. Questions are though...what do i do with the rocks and gravel and how do i make it easier for those planting the seeds behind me.
I dont know Pat, wish I did. Anton set an example, sorta opened the door. Although I dare say it took its toll on him. The rocks and gravel I suppose you just let them fall by the way side. Eventually they'll build up a protective fence. Just keep pushin on ahead, hopefully people will follow.
Sorry Pat, I'm not fit company right now, all doom and gloom.
cheers.
patorak3d posted Mon, 20 September 2010 at 11:08 AM
*Whether V5 (if such a creature is in development) will be very attractive to me will depend a lot on how much of V4's stuff she's able to use without much mucking around with the mesh to get stuff to fit. Clothing quality has improved some since V4's been out, so a lot of my V3 stuff is in mothballs, but you wait until I get those folds and wrinkles sculpting working properly in the new Blender... V4's getting a really flash new wardrobe from her older sister.
Hi Robynsveil,
Sounds like your going to be busy...i was wondering though if you could find the time to help me out with something.
*I dont know Pat, wish I did. Anton set an example, sorta opened the door. Although I dare say it took its toll on him. The rocks and gravel I suppose you just let them fall by the way side. Eventually they'll build up a protective fence. Just keep pushin on ahead, hopefully people will follow.
Sorry Pat, I'm not fit company right now, all doom and gloom.
cheers.
Hi Phantom3d,
I hope all is well, because i could really use your help right now.
WandW posted Mon, 20 September 2010 at 11:52 AM
Is it possible to use V4's obj as a morph target for M4? That way you lose the magnets.
Of course, you would then to re-rig her clothes, but if they are grouped the same, that shouldn't be too difficult...
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Hi Phantom3d,
I hope all is well, because i could really use your help right now.
I'm hangin in. PM me let me know what you need.
Cheers.
WandW
It is likely possible to use M4 as a morph target for V4. But for work as fine tuned as JCM's are, not usable. Because the rigging and base shape are different, and even a small difference makes for huge problems when working with JCM's.
RobynsVeil posted Mon, 20 September 2010 at 4:57 PM
I'll try, Patorak... what did you need help with?
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EClark1894 posted Tue, 21 September 2010 at 9:32 AM
Quote - I think V4 has a lot of potential. If I were DAZ, I'd leave the mesh and the morphs as they are and concentrate on improving the rigging. As a Poser user I'm very sad to say this, but I'd probably also create my own rigging system within D|S and distribute a Poser-8-compatible version as a separate figure. I would definitely not support pre-8-Poser for the next generation of figures.
Tried to download the file for Antonia, but kept getting an error about the pathway not existing. Was going to try and do some free poses for her. Oh well. some other time, maybe.
edgeverse posted Tue, 21 September 2010 at 5:52 PM
Try downloading her from her main site:
http://sites.google.com/site/antoniapolygon/
3D Digital Comics & Art/My homepage
http://www.edgeversemedia.com
EClark1894 posted Wed, 22 September 2010 at 2:20 PM
Quote - Try downloading her from her main site:
Done! Thanks! :biggrin:
By the way, is there anyway to get a WardRobe Wizard File on her from PhilC?
edgeverse posted Wed, 22 September 2010 at 5:19 PM
Oh I wish so as well, Eclark. I am making her a shirt though. Oh, love your comics, buddy. Been reading them for some time now.
Try asking ODF if he can persuade Philc.
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odf posted Wed, 22 September 2010 at 5:37 PM Online Now!
Isn't this a bit off-topic for this thread?
Phil can't do anything before the figure is finalized, so he's waiting for me to give him the go-ahead. I still need to do some checking on Antonia's CR2 before that, though.
-- I'm not mad at you, just Westphalian.
edgeverse posted Wed, 22 September 2010 at 9:14 PM
ODF, keep up the great work. Antonia is great.
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EClark1894 posted Fri, 24 September 2010 at 9:26 AM
Quote - Isn't this a bit off-topic for this thread?
Phil can't do anything before the figure is finalized, so he's waiting for me to give him the go-ahead. I still need to do some checking on Antonia's CR2 before that, though.
My bad. I forgot where I was when I wrote it. I saw the banner for Antonia, and well...
Sorry about that folks!
patorak3d posted Fri, 24 September 2010 at 12:15 PM
*I'm hangin in. PM me let me know what you need.
Hi Phantom3d,
Keep hanging in there things will get better.
I'll try, Patorak... what did you need help with?
Hi RobynsVeil,
Not quite sure...still tryin' to figure things out. i'll post it here Sunday if we can get more help.
Hi estherau,
I beggin' ya... i really, really need your help.
(i wish SamTherapy would stop by i could use his help as well)
santicor posted Sat, 25 September 2010 at 1:42 AM
Phil can't do anything before the figure is finalized, so he's waiting for me to give him the go-ahead. I still need to do some checking on Antonia's CR2 before that, though.*
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just out of curiosity - checking it for what ?
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odf posted Sat, 25 September 2010 at 1:45 AM Online Now!
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Phil can't do anything before the figure is finalized, so he's waiting for me to give him the go-ahead. I still need to do some checking on Antonia's CR2 before that, though.*
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just out of curiosity - checking it for what ?
Asymmetries in the joint parameters, missing or incorrect channels, joint parameters that are set to different values in the two actors involved - that kind of thing. It's all too easy to mess up a CR2, and in a crunch, Poser can do it all by itself.
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santicor posted Sat, 25 September 2010 at 1:51 AM
ah.... perfection of craftsmanship - cool -
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patorak3d posted Sun, 26 September 2010 at 10:26 PM
Hi Phantom3d,
Keep hanging in there things will get better.
I'll try, Patorak... what did you need help with?
Hi RobynsVeil,
Not quite sure...still tryin' to figure things out. i'll post it here Sunday if we can get more help.
Hi estherau,
I beggin' ya... i really, really need your help.
(i wish SamTherapy would stop by i could use his help as well)*
Here's what i need help on...
Diogenes posted Sun, 26 September 2010 at 11:02 PM
Hi patorak :)
What would you like me to do? I'm not much good at anything but rigging. I can texture a little. I can layout out some pretty decent UV's.
This a new project? Looking good so far. Let me know whats up. I'm going to bed right now, was a long day.
Cheers.
RobynsVeil posted Mon, 27 September 2010 at 7:06 AM
Looks reasonably good - I could suggest a shader, but Bagginsbill's PR3 (the one that came with VSS) is heaps better than mine and much more versatile.
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