I would dearly love to know how many Fractal Artists here on Renderosity are working with Fractal Explorer.  Is there a way of finding out without trawling through years of images?  I seem to be seeing more FE images posted recently, which of course I am delighted about.  There are untapped depths to this programme.

Well, asking like this should help. :-)

I use a lot of programs and FE is one of them.
Corrie

I use fractals in all most of my compositions. However since i also design shapes in Photoshop and color them in kai's Power tools and reflect paintings into many of the images and montage all my elements in Photoshop I have been listing my works in MIXED MEDIUM / ABSTRACT.

But I am missing the Fractal artists who don't go to mixed medium to see other works.

If I list in Fractals then I am not really representing all the other techniques I use to create my final image.

How can I reach both audiences??

Thankyou Corrie and FantasticFractals.  I don't really know if it will help but it will maybe confirm what I think and that is more and more people are realising that FE has more possibilities than at first glance.  There is so much more to FE than just discovering patterns. 

As for decidiing which Gallery ...I definitely get your point.   I was having this problem because I like to incorporate photographs as background into some of my fractals, which is so easy to do in FE's own Textures by importing an image to a fractal of the same size but I had confirmation from a few fellow Artists that because it was done in FE, although postwork is always done in PI or PSP, it is ok to post in the Fractals Gallery.  Maybe a query to Tresamie and Dream Warrioir would confirm?

Not everyone has time or inclination to visit the Forums, so maybe I am flogging a dead horse. Time will tell I suppose.

FE  is  one  of my fave,too:)

Thankyou very much for responding Alida. I have seen some of your wonderful work with this programme:-)

As for in what forum to post:

A far as I know, the program you render your image with is the one you can post in.
I see a lot of images in  Bryce, for example, that have used a lot of imported stuff.
But, because it's rendered in Bryce, it's counted as a Bryce image.
Does that help?

Corrie

This makes sense!  Thanks very much Corrie:-)

You know I use FE, it was the first Fractal App I ever used and started me on the Fractal journey, still use it frequently but not as much lately.

Remember...No matter where you go there you are

Yes, I do know Len, and gosh you are extracting more than magic out of Mandelbulb, but nevertheless it's good to have your input.  Thankyou.

I use fe, as well as xenodream, ultrafractal, apophysis, and I am trying mandelbulb

juliette

if you don't get a miracle...you can be one (Nick Vojicik)
als je geen wonder kunt krijgen..... kun je er altijd nog een zijn ! (Nick Vojicik)

Thankyou very much for replying Juliette.  I appreciate your time:-)

For me Ultra Fractal is my main tool, but sometimes, when my inspiration in UF is over, I change to Fractal Explorer for some time.  It works refreshing and after some time my feelings for UF are back again.  The further development  of FE has been stopped, that's a very pity.  I know there are so many possibilities but there also wishes (e.g. easier rotation, application of layers).  I don't know if the FE-code is free now, according to the FE site we have to pay a lot of money for it.  This, together with the rights, prevents further development by others.  One of my question marks is: what can be the reason that the results when using the same formulas (e.g. Talis var.1) are so different in FE and UF?  I'm not the only one who wonders, Toby Marshall also does.

I was thinking FE was open source, thought I remembered seeing the source code was available for downloading on the download page.  Maybe that was Apo I was thinking of, anyway I just went to where I got FE and it's no longer there, very strange.

http://www.eclectasy.com/Fractal-Explorer/

 

Remember...No matter where you go there you are

This to Ed, ........but ARE the results so different?  Titia was having a good poke around for I know she was very intrigued.

To Len - you are right - checked the link --gone without a puff of smoke.  I'm going to nurse my copy very carefully.

The Users Group is still there

http://feusers.fractalfairy.com/links.html

as well as the Free Spots

http://gratis.fractalfairy.com/spots.php

Wonder what happened?

 

Remember...No matter where you go there you are

Part of natural decay after Arthur decided he wasn't going to work on FE any more? I'm surprized it was there for so long.

Like Doc Mojo and MojoWowld, Pandromeda is still there but since the Doc stopped further development on it years ago it's become an orphaned application.

Remember...No matter where you go there you are

It's a great great loss and such  pity.

i use Ultra Fractal exclusively, I still have so much to learn about it, i will likely stay with it for a while yet.  I have to say though i love the fractals i have seen credited to both FE and APO.  Both those programs seem to turn out wonderous works.  Mandelbulb seems to be a favorite of many artists on the site and i have to say i am almost always impressed with the MB3D images.  I guess i am only saying here, I think there is more than enough room for all these programs here, and i can fully appreciate all of them and i am also very happy to see them posted.  I almost forgot, there is a few folks using Xenodream, those pictures are without fail some of the clearest 3D images i've seen.

  Sorry to hear that your FE program sounds like it has been orphaned, maybe someone will create a new version of it. 

Jim (aka Greyone)

I have tried FE, going back to it again and again, but I just can't seem to handle the way the color palette works.  When I started using UF, it seemed very intuitive and easy for me to get the color the way I want it.  I am always amazed at your images, Jenny.  You certainly get incredible color out of them.

 

~Viv

Fractals will always amaze me!

I'm elated to see an open (and lengthy, lively) exchange about FE. Of course, you all know that it's my primary fractal love. Personally, FE still feels inexplicably organic somehow to me, which is such a draw. I've tried others, but always come back to it. Jenny, we've known each other long enough that I know you completely understand the feeling. There are still depths to plumb with FE, as Jenn, Merren, Alida, and many others, prove time and time again. And I particularly like seeing folks who are drop dead proficient in XD, UF, and others, revisit. The idea that it's now totally orphaned, may actually be technical, I think. I bought a new laptop about 2 years ago, and when I went searching for the program download online, unable to salvage it from my defunct hard drive, it seems I'd read Titia's and others' posts about Arthur not only having little time to devote to  it, but that there were some major technical reasons in the source code, or some other such thing, that prevented compatability with XP and particularly with Vista. I agree, Jenn...in nursing our copies with care. Viv, as for not getting colors that you want from FE, guess I'm a bit surprised to hear that. Perhaps because that seems to be one aspect of the program I've always felt so at ease with. And when I can't get where I want via FE ,  image adjustment hue and saturation in Photoshop generally get me to the hues I'm seeking.  And, Ed? I've wonder the same. If ever anyone turns up with an explanation for this, I'd be interested to try to understand. :)

So good to see you all! :)

And btw, guys...please don't hold me to my attempt at the technical description on exactly what the compatability issues were/are. A techie, I'm definitely not. But, I think that's what I'd read..or something similar to it. :)

Actually I'm using FE on XP-Pro SP3 running the .net framework 3.5 right now with zero problems whatsoever, I also used it on my HP LapTop running Vista Home Premium SP2 without problems. Compatibility issues were not a problem with FE, it wasn't compatability with Windows OS, I think it was a compatibility problem with other Fractal applications, most now days can easily interchange  formulas between them, not sure with FE. Plus the Fractal world moved into the true 3D realm and that would have meant Wholesale revamping of the FE source code to accomplish that. FE is still the best 2d Fractal app going IMHO, I have an original ZIP copy saved on an external HDD if anyone ever needs one just holler and I shoot a copy to ya.

 

len

Remember...No matter where you go there you are

I'm trying to find the thread, Len. But, hey, it's late and I'm old. If I can locate, I'll post here. Thanks so much, for the generous offer! :)

What a lovely group of Fractal Artists you are. It is so good to get your point of view.

Jim -thanks so much for speaking to us.  It really is wonderful to hear that , you do appreciate and enjoy FE images.  OF course, there is room for everyone in fractalland - it is infinite after all.  I also appreciate and enjoy looking at what others do with their own special programmes. I'd just very much like to see more people using FE.

Viv - To me the palette is a marvellous thing.  I steal them off all my friends. If you would like palettes I can send you all of mine.  I hope FE has not lost you forever....  Nancy...yes, a bit technical for me really too.   I'd be devastated if there were no Fractal Explorer, like someone cutting my left hand off.  (yes I am kaggy handed). Yes - I know how you feel about it too.

Regarding the 3D thing - sometimes FE gives you one, but imho no other 2D programme can offer anything to touch it, and I think I have tried them all.. 

Len what a kind thing to offer the zip.  I've used several  O.S's over the past 10 years and no compatibility problems for me.  FE tends to crash if I ask too much of it, but I try and make sure I don't have more than a couple of windows open, or try to do something else whist rendering a 4000x4000 and he seems quite happy with that. Thank you too.

Found it! This was a post from Titia at a DA forum from 2008, requesting programmer help for someone to step in and attempt keeping FE alive. I'm very relieved to have finally found it, and to have read it again, to assure myself I wasn't altogether losing it here. :)

Len, as I suspected, this wasn't solely an FE compatability with other Fractal apps issue (Yes, I realize that others interchange formulas whereas FE is limited in this capacity, and others). The only reason I knew for sure that wasn't the issue, was that when purchasing my new laptop here, I had to go digging for info online as to why FE suddenly wasn't playing nicely with Vista and couldn't run effectively on a new, much better, pc. I now run Vista here too, but the initial computer I'd purchased (much better machine than I actually wound up with because of the FE handling) had huge problems with FE, so I actually returned it. As you can see from the post, it was a very sporadic stability issue. Some Vista users had issues, while others found that it worked just fine. It was very sporadic, but maddening for some of us. I had suddenly gone from an older pc that rendered FE images in a flash, to a brand new pc that wouldn't allow me to open it sometimes, and at others, would render painfully slowly, IF it would even render at all, and it would also produce tons of vertical artifact. I actually returned the other machine, and the decision on which laptop I chose became, for me,  contingent on how a new machine would handle FE (recall someone also mentioning a problem with some newer, faster machines today having a bit less front end bus, I think? Again, too much tech for me, so can't swear by the accuracy of that.) Anyway, the thread's posted for you guys in another comment. Hope it at least helps clarify. Happy Sunday, and happy fractaling, all! :)

From the thread I mentioned, and Arthur's prior responses to Titia's inquiries to him: Programmers: help asked !*titiavanbeugen reports, May 20, 2008

For many years now I have a lot of fun with the freeware fractalprogram Fractal Explorer... and many people more.
Fractal Explorer has proven to be an excellent fractalprogram.
But there is a problem now...

Arthur, the creator of Fractal Explorer hasn't got the time anymore to update the program.
It has to be made compatible for Vista (and later). Some people can still use it, some can't, or there are problems.
I asked Arthur about updating it. He wrote:

"Probably it is impossible. Or may be very difficult...
FE was created with Delphi 3, which was released in 1997 or 1998 year...
It was not simple to get compatibility with Win 2000/XP because
Delphi 3 not have some declarations for this OS...
To get compatibility with Vista FE needs much never compiler. May be
Delphi 7 (at least), may by more never...

But moving from Delphi 3 to another version is very difficult, because
FE uses many additional components and controls. And some from it
has no compatible versions for never versions of Delphi.
So, it needed to rewrite at least 60-70% of UI code and design..."

I don't understand all this, but I understand I and many others soon can't play with this toy anymore.
Is there anyone around here that is able to update Fractal Explorer for the future?

I was writing a tutorial, but the motivation is gone now, because probably there is no FE anymore to play with.

@ Gaiadriel.

You say
"I was writing a tutorial, but the motivation is gone now, because probably there is no FE anymore to play with.".
Why?
As you can see here there are still plenty of people that have and use FE.
Maybe they like tutorials?
I for one love doing tuts!

Corrie

as long as one can keep windows xp on ones computer, we can play with FE

juliette

if you don't get a miracle...you can be one (Nick Vojicik)
als je geen wonder kunt krijgen..... kun je er altijd nog een zijn ! (Nick Vojicik)

I use it with windows 7!

 

Corrie

I agree Jim and Jen, there is enough room in the Fractalverse for all, the app doesn't matter it's the Vision that counts.

 

Gaiadriel
I understand what Arthur is saying about the code levels of Delphi and trying to update them but that's only a part of the problem. I'm not a Coder but I am a Technician and the thing that changed more with the technology of PCs was Hardware not Software. Late XP, XP-Pro, Vista, and now Se7en systems are mostly Multicore Systems (ie P4 HT, Dual core, Quadcore) and some running 64 bit platforms not 32 bit, that's where the conflifts can really bite you. Older applications like FE, MojoWorld that were never upgraded for Multithreading OS can have some quirks when running on them. Actually if you are running a 64 bit platform the app may not even open and run, just not compatible at all, that's why I will not upgrade to a 64 bit platform yet, too many programs I use are not 64 bit friendly. The Multicore 32 bit problems are easier to remedy with OS settings when running them, for FE and MojoWorld (apps which don't allow setting Threadcounts) when I'm using them I just open the Windows Task Manager and set the CPU Affinity to just one Processor to eleminate any conflicts and they Run just fine.

 

len

Remember...No matter where you go there you are

Corrie, those aren't my words, love. That whole post was Titia's, from back when she was trying to find a programmer to consider writing a compatible FE for newer OS' and she was willing to mediate correspondences between FE's authors and anyone who might be able to willing to step up and keep it going.

It really is much more stable on XP, Juliette, I agree.  :)

Oops.
Sorry about that!

Corrie

..... but where do we find the program.

i tried to download it about a year ago, and was unable to find it!

can anyone help?

monica

http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Graphic/Graphic-Others/Fractal-Explorer.shtml

if you don't get a miracle...you can be one (Nick Vojicik)
als je geen wonder kunt krijgen..... kun je er altijd nog een zijn ! (Nick Vojicik)

http://fractal.ow2.org/fractalexplorer/index.html

if you don't get a miracle...you can be one (Nick Vojicik)
als je geen wonder kunt krijgen..... kun je er altijd nog een zijn ! (Nick Vojicik)

I have enjoyed reading this post.  What suprises me is that the program/website is no longer available.  I went to it earlier in this year to check to see if there was another version out.  I am sorry that it is no longer available.  As for using FE, it is my primary program.  I love what it does.  It is truthfully the only program I can honestly say that I know how to make specific forms.  Even after 8 years of working on it, I know I still have much to learn.  I have also had my share of issues with FE since I bought a new computer four years ago.  The program gets touchie if I ask to much of it.

 

When I first started, Titia and Arend were kind enough to share some of their files.  Over the years I have been saving spotfiles and gradients for people to use, I just was not sure anyone would be interested.  So if anyone is, please let me know.  Thank you for the thread as I was not sure how many actually used FE and for the links to where one would find the program itself!

There's another program using the name, "Fracta Explorer". It's the 2nd one listed by Juliette.

 

Lynn

Also not all versions of FE, even when downloaded from the original site were complete with The Sterlingware Formulas and the necessary DLL to use them (some versions had them some didn't, depended who you downloaded from) and the Compiler for altering and making your own formilas which was a seperate download.

Remember...No matter where you go there you are

Actually, you can use FE on Windows 7, but a lot of things in it don't work. You can't make the changes you want to make, so it's pretty much pointless.

@Lenord. Hmm...must be why it won't run right for me. I'll have to try that. Thanks.

Monica, were you able to download from Juliette's first link? Thanks, Juliette! I was searching for her, and came up with zilch. I'm also tucking this away for future reference.

Hey Lynn! What a blast to see you post. You've made my day to find you here. Hope all's well in Denmark, and that you're doing okay these days. Hi to Kalli, too. 

Good to know, Weezy.

Len, thanks for the info about setting CPU affinity in task manager for my older 32 bit proggies on dual core processors. I'd honestly not previously tried that. But, I definitely will. Very helpful. :)

If,  as Arthur had indicated in his mail to Titia, to begin with there simply aren't any compatible versions for the newer versions of Delphi where some of the particular components and controls that FE actually requires are concerned, well.... At any rate, he and Olga designed FE, so he'd surely know its issues, whatever they may be. I'm just thrilled mine now works, because as kroggy hand across the big pond from me has indicated...(lol...you'd better be smiling, Jenn!)...it would be a bit like lopping off a limb at this point, to lose it. Seems we got increased processing power and new OS' with time (not that anyone would consider Vista any sort of technological advancement, mind you), while FE ,in turn, got only multiple dilemnas out of the deal.

Jennifer, Jennifer, Jennifer...tsk, tsk...now just look what you started... Wonderful stuff indeed. :)

 

And Newpy...thank you for the spot and gradient offer. I just may take you up on that at some point. Though, I have to admit,  I've never once imported a gradient, or even saved one of my own, as ridiculous as that must seem.

I say thanks to everyone who has taken the trouble to respond to my  first post here.  It's just so great to see that FE is being used by so many and how much interest is still being generated by the desire for it to stay and work with us. 

Nancy!  No need to save a palette do you, if we share our spot files -  voila!and yes I am smiling......partly because I don't understand the technical ins and outs, so I am glad you all do.

 

hi,

 no i was unable to download from the first link of juliette, it's not available, the second one is not opening well, and now i'm confused; are there more then one fe programs?

 

monica

can I email you the program ???

please send your personal email to : j.gribnau@upcmail.nl  and I will send the zipped program

(no registration needed)

juliette

if you don't get a miracle...you can be one (Nick Vojicik)
als je geen wonder kunt krijgen..... kun je er altijd nog een zijn ! (Nick Vojicik)

Here is a link where you can download FE 202 and some spots, too:

http://feusers.fractalfairy.com/fefiles/index.html

Corrie

I hope you've managed to finally get it one way or another, Monica. Have you? Anything more anyone can do to help? If the link Corrie's posted doesn't work for you either, I hope you opt for just having Juliette email it to you. And, no, there is only one Fractal Explorer. As Lynn said earlier, there is another program with a very similar name, but it's not the same thing. I'll certainly enjoy seeing what you do with it when you finally manage to get your hands on it. I suspect your results with FE will be as beautiful as the rest of your work.

Oh, about the palettes/gradients. That's very true, Jenn!  But, I really somehow always enjoy roughing it, and the added sense of accomplishment I seem to feel with finally getting to the hues I'm seeking by going them from scratch. It's just a self-imposed thing with me, I realize. :)

Thanks again, for the discussion, everyone. I, too, really enjoy seeing interest in FE, and also like seeing the forum this active, too!

Corrie' should be good because the FE users Group is still alive and well, at least I think so I keep getting email updates from them although it's been a loooong time since I visited. I went looking on my external Drive for my Zip of the original and it seems to have gone missing. I did Zip-up a full functioning copy of FE with Compiler and the Landscape stuff (which I've never tried) along with some additional Spots also. Since FE didn't need Installation to start with(Just unzip to a Folder and go) it should work fine for anyone. If anyone needs I will send it no problem.

Remember...No matter where you go there you are

Len, I tried landscape in FE...not very successfully I must admit...in fact I kept drowning what bit of land I had. Attractors and Orbites and Quarternions never appealed to me either. (probably because I was rubbish at working them)hehe 

I have several years worth of spots if anyone would like some. just email me..my early attempts were dreadful, but I still kept them.

jennyisme@blueyonder.co.uk

Any questions about FE that I can help with, just let me know.

I'm still running XP, so no problems, but there is an option on Vista and Windows 7 to run a program in a different environment--such as the XP environment. So basically what you're doing is using the way the older operating system worked. With that, there should be no problems running FE. If you have the FE icon on your desktop, rightclick it, select properties, and over at the right there will be a tab for compatability. Select that, check the box for compatability mode and select the version of Windows you want to use from the drop-down menu. You can do the same thing if you start FE from your list of programs. Highlight it, rightclick and follow the same steps.

Lynn

I am very very ignorant and  can only say that :

1. I have a new PC with Windows 7
2. Dual Core Duo
3. 64-bit
   The main programs fractals work fine : I refer to FE, UF, Apo
   only a few very old spot of Fe (2003) do not open

Alida

'Morning everyone. I woke at 4.30am and decided to check on this thread. My goodness! I'm so pleased it is blossoming like it is. It's now 8.22. Yawnnnnn.

 

Anyway, there are some questions I can answer.

 

FE availability: I have all the versions, starting, I think, with 123, and ending with 203b3. I have them all in one folder that also contains the zipped versions. I use 200.b3 and 203.b3. 200b3 is the most stable, but contains fewer built in formulae. The file is 30+ mb. I can either split it and send in several pieces, or upload it to one of those large file-sharing sites for people to download. Can somebody please point me to a good one?  I don't want to split it down into a smaller file, because the one I use is the one I know works.

 

Developer stuff: Arthur actually was working on updating the code when he disappeared suddenly. No actual reason given, but...anyway. Perhaps voluntary. There is source code around. Andre Vandergoten has a copy.  I  have his email address.

 

There is no site where 203b3 is available. As far as I know, the Eclectasy site is still operational. It has all the ancillary files. The version there is older.

 

Compatibility. There are some issues. As Len said, the 32/64 bit is one of them. I have found also that there seems to be a few problems with running system qpps beside fE. This has arisen recently. Going offline and killing virus checker. etc do help, but XP and up are much bigger programmes that do tend to expand to fill any available space. RAM in particular. So if you want to render images larger than 6000x6000, there can be problems, even when running in 'skeleton' mode. Arthur always worried about RAM, as do I.

 

Bugs: LOL. We're talking FE here; its gold is more hidden than the big shiny fractal software. But usually there are workarounds, including the best workaround of all: patience.

 

FEusers list is still alive, but is taking no new members, and it has morphed into a group of people posting almost anything but FE. I find it sad to see the degeneration after the strong, robust list I joined in 1998.

 

Spot sharing: This is the best way to keep the blood circulatig. Like Jenny, I do it all the time. In fact, I think most of us do.

 

Saving palettes. The easiest way is: in the view pane on the left of the main window, open the folder containing the spot you want to copy th palette from; select and right click the spot. You can then choose to open the palette which will transfer to the image you are workjing on. To save a palette, just use the lower left palette options. This will enable you to save your most favourite palettes where you can access them readily. There is room for six, I think, and you can change them whenever you want. I have a couple of Arend's that I still often use as starting points.

 

Numbers using FE. I'll get back to you on this.

 

What a pleasure to read everyone's posts. Jenny you did start something lovely.

 

I have to go and nurse my pleurisy. Yeah. Still too painful. The good news it it should get better. The bad news is it is expected to be three MONTHS!!!

 

much love

 

merren

Hi Jenny, and everybody :)

I'm sorry, I'm a bit late here.
Also, I have not read all your reactions to Jenny's call.
(It will still try)

I only work with FE
Do not use other "states" around it.
Just 'bare' Fractal exploror.

Great treat you started, Jenny!

Bye friends!
Mies.

p.s. FE is just fun, and surprising!

Thanks Merren.  Straightforward information and simple to understand.

Maybe remaining FEUsers would log on to Rendo and then more interest and more FE magic would be on the cards, that is, if the Goup is no longer purely FE.  Or would that be treading on someone's toes?

Keep warm and nurse your pleurisy well.  Time will pass and Summer will be here before you know it for you Kiwis.  The warm weather will help.

Hello Mies.  Lovely to see you here - one of our most prolific FE posters.

Now here is a girl who knows how to weave her magic:-) Yes, FE is fun and you know how to get the most out of it.

Greetings Merr
thanks for your news of Fe,
As you can see we are still in many to be interested in the program

Alida

Good Idea, Jen. I'll try to be tactful in sounding them out lol.

I'm sure you will! Now get back under your blanket. hehe

I'll be damned, You're right Merren, it's back, when I tried the link the other day all I got was a 404 code error,but it's there now and all the downloads too.

http://www.eclectasy.com/Fractal-Explorer/download.htm

Remember...No matter where you go there you are

It wasn't just you. I tried it as well, and it was down. Good to see it's still there.

Me too Lynn....I wonder what is going on here.

It may have really been down--for a short while. What matters is that it is up...

The Internet musta been having a Bad Hair day....or some splinter group of those that think Fractals are only good for Backdrops for their Poser characters were running amok.

Remember...No matter where you go there you are

A bad hair day!!! Love that Len!

It is certainly back now.

 

I tried the blankets, Jen. Too sore to lie down.

 

I'm glad eclectasy is back up. May I suggest that anybody who does't have copies backed up...and up...please backup what you've got. Please?

 

Sorry, Alida, I forgot to greet you. I do so now. Isn't it a cosy little gathering we have here.

 

Hey, Merren, great to see you! :-D
Yes, girl, it really takles that long to get better. :-(
I do hope you will feel better, soon.

Corrie

Tks, Corrie. Nice to see you too. One thing for certain: I'm not going to be lying down all that time!!

 

mer

I know. ;-)

There's place enough on my server, so I can upload the program and spotfiles to my server and than offer them in this thread, or at the free-downloads-pages at renderosity

if anyone want to share their fe-stuff... send it to me, and I will upload it to my server and announce them at the freware-section of renderosity

send it to : j.gribnau@upcmail.nl

juliette

if you don't get a miracle...you can be one (Nick Vojicik)
als je geen wonder kunt krijgen..... kun je er altijd nog een zijn ! (Nick Vojicik)

That's jolly decent of you Juliette! Thanks.

Great idea and offer, Juliette.

I've search for the freware-section of renderosity, but without any result.
A pity, I have no concentration, because of that constantly pain in face, mouth, eyes, a.s.o.
Just tell me what I need to do, for sharing my spots. You may have them all :) 

It is that Karel can't help me now. He is very busy here with that rebuilding, and has a lot of stress with it.
These people don't keep appointments, and did not finish their work while we were so stupid, all paid in advance, and that was really a lot :(.
We are ripped off, by being too trusting.

Sorry, this has nothing to do with the treat, but just that I want to explain, 'my handicaps'

Wishing you all a happy creative day.
Mies.

Luisteren

Fonetisch lezen

 

I think this must be it Mies:-

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showforum.php?forum_id=12473

I am sad thatyou have trouble with the builders....Never pay up front.  They do not care then how long they make you wait or indeed if they turn up to finish the job. You are yes- too trusting.  Not everyone like you you know.  The world is changing.

You saw your Doctors on Monday?  Did they not prescribe something to help with the pain?  Maybe the anxiety is making you feel worse.  Try not to worry. What's done is done.  You need someone to come and sort them out?  I'll do it.

xx

You are such a good friend, dear Jenny.
Thanks for the link, I'll start trying.
Now, I need to clean up the mess here.
I do not worry, 'it comes as it comes'.
No, they can not do anything for the pain.
They gave me many compliments yesterday, by telling the outcome of those tests.
That, I did not expect, so they saw me f.e., as a "good job being" person, and with so many talents.
Tomorrow I must go to the dentist and the dental surgeon maybe too.
But I do not complain; I go, as I said, clean up here.
Must remove all the junk!!! ;-)

Thank you, dear one(s)!!!!

Hi All,

the program can be downloaded here :

www.bodhi-creations.com/fractal-explorer-2-02.zip

 

including the program and some extra spotfiles that were shared by several highly appreciated fe-artists

 

I also uploaded it to the free-stuff at renderosity and will let you know when it is approved by the staff of renderosity

 

One suggestion :  anyone who want to share their spotfiles :  upload them zipped to the free-stuff-gallery at renderosity; they allow a zip up to 50 MB

 

I am going to zip all my spotfiles right now and offer them there

I will let you know when they are approved buy the staff too

 

juliette

if you don't get a miracle...you can be one (Nick Vojicik)
als je geen wonder kunt krijgen..... kun je er altijd nog een zijn ! (Nick Vojicik)

Brilliant Juliette.  You are so helpful.  Now, if I can manage to zip up all my spots......right back to 2004.....here we go again, oh how I have problems with the zippers.  They get stuck and it is not funny.

I just have uploaded 874 spotfiles to the free-stuff.... going back to 2008... the ones from earlier I lost in a computer crash

I have the habit to save every step I take as a spotfile, but I only save images when a step makes a beauty lol

succes with zipping Jenny

( and all other FE-ers !!!)

juliette

if you don't get a miracle...you can be one (Nick Vojicik)
als je geen wonder kunt krijgen..... kun je er altijd nog een zijn ! (Nick Vojicik)

thanks juliette and corrie, i have now downloaded at least something, juliette i might get back to you if i can't get it working on your private e-account.

but then in dutch, as you will understand!

 

monica

understood... gesnapt !

juliette

if you don't get a miracle...you can be one (Nick Vojicik)
als je geen wonder kunt krijgen..... kun je er altijd nog een zijn ! (Nick Vojicik)

Thanks Juliette,

So great you do this for us!
Heel erg fijn wat je voor ons doet!
Hartelijke groet,
Mies. (die een poging heeft gedaan haar oude spotfiles op te zoeken, en zich toen 'verloor' in het gaan spelen, met een van haar allereersten ;-)

(p.s. I searched my old spot files, and before I knew it, I started to play with one of the very first one; stupid, or not?)

 

and than : back to search for and zip-in your spots !!

have fun playing !

juliette

if you don't get a miracle...you can be one (Nick Vojicik)
als je geen wonder kunt krijgen..... kun je er altijd nog een zijn ! (Nick Vojicik)

Doing my very best,

but I need HELP ;)

please have patient with me "-"

do you need help for : stop playing... or for searching and zipping ??

if you don't get a miracle...you can be one (Nick Vojicik)
als je geen wonder kunt krijgen..... kun je er altijd nog een zijn ! (Nick Vojicik)

Both, my dear :D
lol
but to be seriously, for the latter the most.!!!

I'm dizzy in my eyes.
To morrow there is an other day.
Okay?!

sure... take your time... there's no obligation at all

hugs

 

if you don't get a miracle...you can be one (Nick Vojicik)
als je geen wonder kunt krijgen..... kun je er altijd nog een zijn ! (Nick Vojicik)

That's really helpful, and generous, Juliette. It's amazing to me all the talk and interchanges that go on while I sleep through my night. Here, it is 10,44am on Thursday, so I'm not really behind. It just seems like it, as you all sleep through your nights!

 

Dear Mies, I hold your hand as you cope with all the horrors of your life. Those darned builders need a good kick! Jenny is right: never pay in full before the job is done, and done well. I'm sending strength and love to Karel as well. I hope your dentists are as kind to you as mine are to me. I share the pain in the face and jaw. My beautiful young maxillo/facial specialists are really beginning to make progress. I have even begun to look forward to seeing them! One thing I love about being old is the freedom to flirt outrageously!!

 

Now, back to you, Juliette. You are very generous. Thankyou. I have much later versions of FE than 2.02, and will upload them to your server. All versions are zipped inside a big zipped folder that is working with any version you feel like using. I think it's under 50 mb, but will have to check and modify it if necessary.

 

I think I'll have to split my spots folder or modify it. It will take a bit of time, as my energy is a bit low. I have 12 years' worth of spots!!  My backup practices are very good lol, but not perfect. I don't save discarded spots. Only the ones that I decide to render, but there are a lot, and the file includes thumbs.

 

Thanks again, Juliette, and I wave with love to all my sleeping friends as I go about my day.

 

merren

Good idea Juliette                                                                                                              I prepared a zip with 700 spots
but do not know how to upload a zip in Rendo
Please someone  tell me how?

Alida

ps. no problem Merr

Hugs, Alida

 

merr

for uploading to the free stuff at rendero.. it is so simple:

in the top-menu of renderosity ( home-marketplace-features-free-stuff

click the upload free stuff

than you select the category

than scroll down to :

click on "browse" (in this screencapture it says : bladeren, which is dutch fro browse)

and browse on your computer to the file and if you have one, to the thumbnail ( if not than just forget the thumbnailpart)

than choose what you want in the following options, and click upload

and that's all

you than will see a message that you will be emailed when the staff has approved your upload

Hope this helps !!

juliette

if you don't get a miracle...you can be one (Nick Vojicik)
als je geen wonder kunt krijgen..... kun je er altijd nog een zijn ! (Nick Vojicik)

Juliette great work for me, perfect!
I had entered into free stuff but in the wrong place
but.....what am I doing wrong?
When undertaking finally upload
opens a page that says
Problem Connection
not true!I send you the page
so controls too
I think it's all right grrr

Alida

 

Thanks very much Juliette, I got half way through then realised I didn't have a thumb, but I've found one now.

Again, my thanks:-)

Alida,

I don't know an answer, other than there's a problem with your connection.. maybe try later again ?

or email to renderosity-staff.. or maybe it is your provider not allowing a great send ??

I realy don't know.

 

Jenny, glad it worked !

if you don't get a miracle...you can be one (Nick Vojicik)
als je geen wonder kunt krijgen..... kun je er altijd nog een zijn ! (Nick Vojicik)

You are a hero doing this, Juliette!
Fantastic your help is!!!
I will examine later.
(Just coming from the dentist's chair, where I've spent 2 hours, au, au)

Again, thanks for your great help.
Hugs to you, (and to anyone who need, or want one ;-)) 

Mies.

Mies, I am glad to be of any help, and Alida and I found another way for those who cannot upload to the freestuff..... Alida has sent her zip to me... I uploaded it to the freestuff, and the renderostaff, took notice of my comment whith the upload that it was not me who was giving this, but daali, and so they gave it the right name and link !

I wish I knew how to thank them for that

juliette

if you don't get a miracle...you can be one (Nick Vojicik)
als je geen wonder kunt krijgen..... kun je er altijd nog een zijn ! (Nick Vojicik)

Ha !!!!

I found the person who is responsable for the free-stuff (moderator or such)

so I contacted her and have sent my "Thanx"

juliette

if you don't get a miracle...you can be one (Nick Vojicik)
als je geen wonder kunt krijgen..... kun je er altijd nog een zijn ! (Nick Vojicik)

What would we do without you Juliette?

I wonder that too Jenny lol

if you don't get a miracle...you can be one (Nick Vojicik)
als je geen wonder kunt krijgen..... kun je er altijd nog een zijn ! (Nick Vojicik)

Nice kind lady;  don't leave us.........hehe

Thank you, Juliette. A great take-charge here.

Lynn

STOPP  !!!!   I am shy !!! and blushing !! thanx darlings

if you don't get a miracle...you can be one (Nick Vojicik)
als je geen wonder kunt krijgen..... kun je er altijd nog een zijn ! (Nick Vojicik)

......................last thanks
You did a perfect job
including thanks to the staff of Rendo
a very personal thanks :-)

I fear it is a problem between my PC and Renderosity                                                 

I can not open  also other links of Renderosity

Alida

Could be your antivirus or firewall settings. I don't have any problems here but at some other sites I have to turn off my Firewall to upload and download stuff.

Remember...No matter where you go there you are

Thanks Lenord
I'll try to check.....although it is not the same message
when the virus blocks a download, but I confess
I'm really bad at these things :-(

Alida

 

hi, i managed to open the helpfile, but it is in russian. eilaas, i can't read that. does anyone has one in another language

( not hungarian or japanese or so....)

 

monica

this is my address: alidabb@yahoo.it

 write me and  I will send you the help file in english by email

Alida

Ack! Just look at all I've been missing! This is wonderful, all. And thanks, Juliette, for all you've done. :)

Merr! STILL sick with that mess??? I'm so sorry to hear this, Merren! That's it. Flames pronto here. I've finally shaken it completely, but it definitely took awhile. But, I cannot begin to imagine dealing with that painful breathing, and the pain from just lying down, for a full three months. Poor you! I seriously hope you're improved sooner than predicted. Power hugs your way, dear lady.

Mies and Alida, so good to find you both here too. And Mies, I'm also sorry to hear about your troubles and trials. I hope life goes much more gently for you, very, very soon.

I'm going to try to compress some spots for upload here too, at some point this weekend. Although as some of you know, I had to start completely from scratch in Aug, 2005, after the hurricane and losing my desktop computer as well as my external drive. But there are still many since that time, and everyone's welcome to them if interested. I'll pop in and drop a line when they're up.

Hope you all have an excellent weekend! Hugs! :)

Nancy

Waving to you, Nancy, and sending hugs back. Dear daughter I am so pleased you are feeling better. Yes. I remember all that you lost.

 

Re spots: Ummm My master spotfile is ouch! 179Mb LOL. I have to do some serious truncating before I can upload. Or maybe think of another way of doing it. I do have spots filed elsewhere in categories (well, I am a Virgo after all), but that's kind of messy too. Hohum. I have to work on it after I have a decent sleep. Maybe tomorrow.

 

love

merr

I'll see if I can dig out some Spots to post in the freebies. I have a bad habit of not saving spots in FE or Flames in Apo though, just too impatient I guess. Wasn't till Incendia and Mandelbulb3d I started saving files like that but I'll see what I can dig out from the FE graveyard.

 

Remember...No matter where you go there you are

The more the merrier Len:-)))

Jenny's right!!!!!!
Hello Nancy! I, too like you, lost everything in 2006 / 7
disastrous........only after a long long time I managed to find a person
that  pulled something out of the HD
Merr how are you?
Monica works the helpfile?

Alida

hi alida, yes the file works, thanks for sendoing.

now i have to figur out what is what, and where is it!!!

undoubtely it will take time.

good weekend to everyone!

monica

Monica, there are some fantastic tutorials for FE, written in dutch by Titia

http://members.home.nl/titiavanbeugen/downloads/download.html

juliette

if you don't get a miracle...you can be one (Nick Vojicik)
als je geen wonder kunt krijgen..... kun je er altijd nog een zijn ! (Nick Vojicik)

Oh cool!
I sure can use them, too!

Corrie

oh, that is so what i was looking for, thank you thank you thank you.

did not know that titia made this, i knew she was very good with fe!

i have my work cut out for this winter.

monica

She wrote it very simply.  Still helping us.  Have fun Monica and don't forget where we are if you need anything.

glad I could help you Monica,,, and Jenny wrote ir right : Titia is still helping and inspiring us !

 

if you don't get a miracle...you can be one (Nick Vojicik)
als je geen wonder kunt krijgen..... kun je er altijd nog een zijn ! (Nick Vojicik)

Ouch, Merren, that is a long time! I had pleurisy once, with every breath painful and sometimes even heartbeats hurt, but it was mostly gone after a week or two of rest and medication. I hope you have a faster recovery.

Interesting that UF, FE and XD are all made with Delphi. One of the guidelines for developers is to avoid using 3rd party components that don't come with source code, if you want forward compatibility.

Good morning everyone!

Right now, I have a few of my spot-files uploaded.
Of course with much help from Karel.
I'll try to do more later.
Thanks Nancy for your encouraging words.
Thank all for your advice and help.
I appreciate you all very much, and am delighted a lot with this treat.
It is so nice to do this together.
Wish you a nice Sunday, and especially for "our" friend Merren, much strength and endurance. I sympathize with your pain. You are strong, my brave warrior.

Again, thank you all for your help,
Mies :-).

I started my leap into digital art with FE back in 2004. I used to post my work here, but for some reason people (here in the forums) got very snobbish about which fractal programs others used( it seems UF was considered the only true "art" program or some such garbage) and the fact that postwork made you post in the MM gallery. I finally pulled most of my fractal art and left. I think I have only a few fractal pieces in my gallery. I still love FE, and put my copy on several CDs to make sure I never lose it. lol

You still run into that Quiet Riot, I have run into the same thing. To some it's not good enough just to try and do something creative you have to it with only "acceptable" programs,  without  postwork so the purests don't get peeved, what a crock. I've hit that wall of Cliqueshness in every gallery here except Mixed Medium and 2d.

Remember...No matter where you go there you are

I was recently told to make what I like.
And not what others like.
I always do and I love it!
That goes for fractal, too.
No matter what program!  :-)

Corrie

 

so true Corrie !

if you don't get a miracle...you can be one (Nick Vojicik)
als je geen wonder kunt krijgen..... kun je er altijd nog een zijn ! (Nick Vojicik)

That is a sad story, but so lovely in that you have kept your copies.  I think Rendo must have changed a lot now, for all the fractal artists are a very friendly and helpful bunch and I have never once noticed any ill feeling, only really good cameraderie.  Maybe the people using UF and FE and all the other programmes understand it should be fun.  Are we going to see you posting FE again?  I'd love to see your images. I do quite a lot of postwork in FE Textures facility and add a little in PI or PSP, and have never been challenged.

Len,  I canot imagine that you would let anything get to you.  Maybe I am thick but I don't recall anything like this happening to me.   Oh dear.....perhaps I have missed summat! hehe

Corrie - you are quite right.  The way to be is your way.

I said I've run into it, never said I let it get to me, I'm too damn old and mean to cower from any type of criricism or pressure, you know me. The latest was in the MojoWorld Gallery, one particular Mojonaut took offense that I have so many friends commenting on my MoJo pieces that don't use MoJo themselves, how could possibly judge them as to competency with the program. Now what the hell kind of crap is that, didn't freaking know it was a contest or a bad thing to have friends. I just shine that stuff on and keep on doing my own thing. 

Remember...No matter where you go there you are

As I said, I can't imagine......

I just thought we were here as kindred spirits.  Anyway I like your outlook and your humour you know that.

There is always going to be some who think there Defecation is so tightly consolidated it can't possibly be odorus, just ignore them. That's my motto

Remember...No matter where you go there you are

hehe.................................................

Hi everyone!

Well, best intentions again to hell in a handbasket, right? I had trouble uploading when I was finally able to try this past weekend, but the problem isn't the site, it's my ISP and sporadic connectivity and ul/dl speeds again. I'll keep trying. Another service call tomorrow afternoon. But, also working tons of mandatory overtime just now too, and both Sat. and Sun. So, I can't promise when. But, they're coming. Just didn't want you to think I've gone poof again, or that I'm not going to stick with getting this done. In the meantime, I hope you're all playing like crazy with the spots Juliette, Jenn, and Alida look like they've already shared. What fun! Thanks to each of you. I'll be downloading them as soon as I can, and getting happily sucked into the frac-vortex. Hey, can I retire yet? :)

 

Darn it all! I just wrote a reply to everyone, point by point, and hit the wrong button and dumped the darned lot. Firefox killed all the tabs, and won't restore from the history.  I'll rewrite it all when I can.

 

Meantime, thanks everyone for wishes and those positive thoughts.

 

love

mer

Hi Nancy :-)

if you solve the problems of the upload, then explain to me how you did it
I had it done by Juliette and Jenny.

Hi Merr :-)

Alida

No problems uploading my file.  I just hit 'Free Stuff'.'Upload Free Stiuff', then followed the instructions. 272 spots awaiting approval. Two or 3 have some nudity, so I hope the staff don't flip lol.

Quote - Darn it all! I just wrote a reply to everyone, point by point, and hit the wrong button and dumped the darned lot. Firefox killed all the tabs, and won't restore from the history.  I'll rewrite it all when I can.

Oh boy, ....uh girl, that's frustrating. Really not nice, your computer did tease you , just as you've done so much work.
Too bad we missed, your always nice comments and good words.
I now just use my fantasy, okay? hehe!
But, dear you should just take it easy!!!!
Listening to Mies, right?

Wishing you all a lovely (fractally) weekend :).
Hoping I'll be lucky by collecting again some of my spotfiles and put them here on RR (on the right place ;-))

Bye all,
Mies.

Good morning everyone,#

No Nancy you cannot retire.  You are ensnared in fractaland forever.  What a good job you love it:-)  Don't kill yourself doing overtime either.

Merren - your messages will be up in the ether somewhere, perhaps a fishing expedition is called for?  It's a horrible feeling that hitting the wrong spot...usually the one with a picture of a window on it, and one I am used to hitting. 

Hoping you are making a good recovery and not overdoing things:-)

Alida, your spots are all uploaded now so it is ok:-)  It isn't you - it's the machinery.

Mies, It's so lovely to see you here.  Always someone to help when you have a problem, you know that. Have a great weekend:-)

 

 

Ha! I am listening to you, dear Mies. If I take it much easier I'll be dead!  Pain is a bit less. I haven't needed to open the morphine bottle for a couple of days.

 

Thankyou everyone for your wishes and thoughts.

 

love

 

merr

You're a brave girl, my friend Merren!

Thank you for listen to me !
What would it be nice, if you could create conditions in which you can leave the lid on the morfinepot.
That time for sure will comes, and of course we do hope SOON!

b.t.w. May I ask, is Nancy (Gaiadriel) in real life your daughter? Or is it, I am so stupid to think that? (because you wrote to Nancy: " my daughter")

Take your time in everything, dear.

Wishing all of you a wonderful Sunday,
'Seeyou', ;-)
Mies.

Ah yes, Mies, the morphine is staying closed. I am listening to you!! You are a blessing.

 

Nancy isn't my real daughter, but she is as dear to me as if she were. We have known each other for many years, since well before Katrina when she lost everything. She is very special, as are some other people that you also know, including Joeydude and Jenny. I think Joyey and I were among the original FE  users; he arrived not too long after me, and Nancy wasn't far behind. Then Jen. Is that right, Jenny?   Not sure where Len came in. Where did you come in, Len?

 

Anyway, speaking to Len: I'm not at all surprised that there are people who look down their elongated noses at 'the very idea of post processing'. Firstly, they are dumb and stupid, and secondly, they are dumb and stupid.

 

I almost never post process, because that's the way I work. To be truly honest, most p/p is beyond me, as I'm inherently lazy. But I admire enormously those of you who do p/p, and do it so well. Just as some of us stick with one programme or another, not because others are stink, but, well, just because we like our favourites. Most of us have tried almost everything that's out there, and settled on what we like. I drink tea; does that mean I'm better than you who drink coffee? I have old copies of UF and Garth's XenoDream that I play with now and then, and even post sometimes.

 

Anyway I didn't intend to write a book. Take care everyone

 

love

mer

I don't know how morphine works.  It didn't help Alex and I hate even the name of it for it did not even blur the edges of his agony.  I do understand your pain will be severe and I don't know of any alternative that can help.  You are a tough bird;  you'll get through it.  I hope each day will be a little more bearable. We all wish you strength.

As regards pp ....I was once a purist, but then I learnt some of the rudimentaries of it..hehe..I know I over egg it sometimes. I remember a discussion on the pro's and con's here some years ago and I almost shrivelled up back into my shell to think that Artists I admired did not agree with it, but then I got over that and did what I liked.  I'm a sucker for temptation.

Yes, I came well after you and Evelyn and Sally too.  You all gave me such a lot of help - always questions and questions; gosh I could not even find my way round  my computer in those days but I was desperate to use FE and find all the wonderful things you were showing. I also have to thank Babs and HarleysAngel who took me by the hand  and actually showed  how to join FEUsers by picture form!!!!!! I even had a HarleysAngel email address.

Anyway Merren, I hope for you a more comfortable week and getting stronger all the time..

x

I am allergic to morphine, and maybe that's a blessing !, allthough I have a lot of pain, I never use any painkiller

if you don't get a miracle...you can be one (Nick Vojicik)
als je geen wonder kunt krijgen..... kun je er altijd nog een zijn ! (Nick Vojicik)

I am sure so Juliette.  You are a lady with superb talents, great inner strengths and fine humour, and I admire you tremendously for overcoming things I cannot even imagine:-)  

thanx much dear friend !

if you don't get a miracle...you can be one (Nick Vojicik)
als je geen wonder kunt krijgen..... kun je er altijd nog een zijn ! (Nick Vojicik)

You are a strong lady, Juliette. From what I have picked up about you, I admire you immensly. I'm not quite allergic to morphine, but it upsets me enough to make me very, very, cautious with it.

 

Jen. I do know it doesn't help with a lot of pain. I feel your memories of Alex, and wrap my arms around you. It never quite goes away, does it.

 

I was amazed, when I finally sloped over here and looked at your gallery, Jen.  Your work really is beautiful. I've never seen anything of yours that I have thought was over processed. I think you mostly throw those ones away!! You are a fast learner!

 

Of course. HA. What a woman! Sal is still around, frantically busy as always. She has a gallery here, but hardly ever posts. Those pencil drawings of hers still echo in my mind. Ev is here too, and doesn't post often. You know about Ivan, of course, and John.

 

Babs is no longer interested in the FE list. She has moved on to other things. She's letting the list go on without her input, to possibly die a natural death. No new members. I wrote to the list about our enclave here, and invited anybody who wanted to join us. Oddly, my post didn't appear. Gremlins, perhaps. I'll try again.

love

merren

what list are you talking about Merren ??, and btw thank you for your lovely words!!

if you don't get a miracle...you can be one (Nick Vojicik)
als je geen wonder kunt krijgen..... kun je er altijd nog een zijn ! (Nick Vojicik)

Thankyou Merren. 

Do try again - I hope it was not gremlins.......I'd hate to think of all that talent at a dead end or worse still - losing interest in FE.

It's the FEusers list, Juliette. It's been alive 12 years or more, First as a Yahoo! list, and then we ported to Babs' site at fractalfairy.  I'm pretty sure I was running Windows 98 when I joined.

Sadly, Jenny, most of the people have gone, and very little of what is being posted is work made using FE.  It really started to fall apart when John died and then Ivan had the stroke. They had kept the engines burning, and Babs couldn't cope with the work. Her husband became very ill with cancer, and died after a long battle. None of the originals is left, unless, like me, one or two are lurking. (Len? Alida? Kal?) The collapse also was powered by Arthur's departure. I really don't know what happened there. One day he was planning enthusiastically, and reprogramming into Delphi; the next day he wrote to Babs and one or two others to say he was dropping the project. From then on, emails went unanswered, but they were not returned. I just hope he and Olga and Julia, their daughter, are still ok. We will never know.

I will try posting again, this time, perhaps with an image.

I'll also upload some of my other versions to the Freestuff here.

love

merren

just an idea :  we start a new (yahoo-) group for fe-users ?

if you don't get a miracle...you can be one (Nick Vojicik)
als je geen wonder kunt krijgen..... kun je er altijd nog een zijn ! (Nick Vojicik)

I'd be there, Juliette. Anybody else?

First of all, Arthur is fine. He's always answered any emails I've sent. Second, Merren, you must have sent your post to the FE list to the wrong address. It never appeared on the list, and I never received a message that a post needed to be approved as I would have if your message had been too big or YOUR address was not the one with which you joined the list. Lastly, Babs' husband died  three years before she decided to not accept any new members to the list. While she had a really hard time when he died for a while, I don't think it had any impact on her decision.

It saddens me that the list isn't active anymore. I miss it a lot, but I think mailing lists are a thing of the past. I belong to at least ten fractal lists, and nobody posts in them. The UF list has the most activity, and people don't post there like they used to. When fractals were brand new and all bright and shiny, everyone was excited and wanted to share all the pretty things they had made. They don't do that anymore. They have this place.....among others. ;~) 

the xenodreamdpix groups is active too, as is the xenolab-group for betatesters

if you don't get a miracle...you can be one (Nick Vojicik)
als je geen wonder kunt krijgen..... kun je er altijd nog een zijn ! (Nick Vojicik)

Nope. I sent the mail to feusers@fractalfairy.com. The old address was feuser@fractalfairy.com. If that is wrong, I'll be surprised because I cross checked it with the most recent  membership details, received from  owner-feusers@fractalfairy.com on November 1. Neither of my two mails has shown up.

 

Louise, some lists flourish and others don't. I am aware of when Babs' husband died. If Art is well, I would be delighted to know. How recently have you been in touch with him?

 

merren

I'd love to  be part of  it,too:) I  still get  some  mails  from louise but it is not as active.

let's get started!!!

Only one qualification for me: that is that we all own the list if it eventuates. So everybody is equally in charge.

 

love

mer

I still do not understand what list you all are talking about

if you don't get a miracle...you can be one (Nick Vojicik)
als je geen wonder kunt krijgen..... kun je er altijd nog een zijn ! (Nick Vojicik)

....I even Juliette :-)

Alida

Merr what you mean?

alidaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

they are talking about a new  FE list users as the  old one is more or less dead:)

Cioa Alida

hai sempre il solito indirizzo di msn?

ho smaciullato la mia rubrica.... ti mando una mail

Alida

Hi Merren, a.o.!

I too would like to be in an FE group.
But my enegielevel is só low.
Because of facial pain in reading, writing, trying concentrate, I'm afraid I can't be active enough.
I do have interest, but not knowledgeable enough also, I suspect.

Do have a wonderful weekend, I still love FE the most (LOL)

♥ Mies

shall I start an fe-usersgroup in yahoo ???

if you don't get a miracle...you can be one (Nick Vojicik)
als je geen wonder kunt krijgen..... kun je er altijd nog een zijn ! (Nick Vojicik)

In my opinion only with UltraFractal you can handle fractals at 100%! :)

 

Hi all

Hello DarkBeam,

It's jolly good to have your opinion.  However,  am not quite sure what you mean here.  Can you help me out?

With UF I can manipulate many layers, thousands of formulas and with the objects function even combinate/orbit trap them :) (sorry for my language, I'm italian) :(

No problem with your language!!! Thanks very much for your input.  I do like what I have seen you do with UF.

I understand what you are saying now.  Thankyou very much.  I suppose it is a case of each to his own.  The possibilities are there in most fractal programmes to find and enhance different areas of formulas, and I know UF is vast and very popular! 

I am  biased I suppose.  FE being the first programme I worked with.  I find it very "organic" based and it suits me perfectly:-)

Ciao Luca,

se per "gestire" intendi programmare graficamente, allora sì, UF è il programma che in questo senso dà le maggiori possibilità di progettazione. Effettivamente UF è un programma, regolarmente  aggiornato che da', con ll'aggiunta di nuove funzionalità,. sempre nuovi stimoli ad un frattalista.... ho però sempre pensato che toglie un po' la magia della scoperta di frattali. FE, che attualmente si può considerare  obsoleto, resta il migliore programma per la generazione di frattali puri,... può essere che mi sbagli, ma la mia opinione è che, i grandi frattalisti  ( quelli che possiamo considerare artisti e non solamente ottimi tecnici), ottengono le loro opere migliori con FE. Come diceva Jenny, ognuno deve utilizzare il programma  che è maggiormente nelle sue corde..... Tutti all'inizio abbiamo provato vari programmi, ma con l'andare del tempo abbiamo individuato quello che ci si confà maggiormente, pur continuando a spaziare ogni tanto in altri giardini....

Il mio inglese è terribile, sotto incollerò come sempre la traduzione di google, speriam bene!!

Alida

Hello Luca,

if by "handle" you mean graphically program,
then yes,
UF is the program that in this sense
gives more design possibilities.
UF is actually a program, regularly updated
that 'with ll'aggiunta of new features
new stimuli to a fractal ....
But I always thought it takes a little 'magic of the discovery of fractals.
**FE, which currently can be considered obsolete,
 remains the best program for generating fractal pure ...
I may be wrong,
but my opinion is that
 large fractality
(Those that we consider not only good artists and technicians),
get their best work with FE.
As Jenny said, everyone has to use
the program that is more in its strings .....
All we first tried various programs,
 but over time we have identified
what would be most suited,
while continuing to wander from time to time in other gardens ....

Alida**

Well said Alida!

Each artist uses the tools and media that suit their artistic vision.  Do I prefer oils or watercolors or maybe even alkyds?  How about brush vs. palette knife or even fingers.  It has always seemed to me that the vision is the key.  I am always delighted to see a diversity of programs and finishing techniques on this site, it tells me that fractals are alive and well.  :biggrin:

~Viv

Fractals will always amaze me!

..and alive and kicking here at Rendo!  Well said Viv:-))

art is in the soul of the artist, not in the medium

if you don't get a miracle...you can be one (Nick Vojicik)
als je geen wonder kunt krijgen..... kun je er altijd nog een zijn ! (Nick Vojicik)

Well said Juliette!
A nice summary of what Viv and others have said.

Just show your feelings by art ;-)
Mies.

Attached Link: http://2dphotography.smugmug.com/

Wow, what an amazing thread. Louise told me about it, and I just stopped by and read the whole thing. Greetings to all the folks I know, and to those I don't.

I wasn't one of the original FE list members, but I joined somewhere near the beginning, after it had moved away from Yahoo. I used to maintain the spot file section of the FE site, so I have bazillions of spot files, but what I don't have is explicit permission to post them publicly elsewhere. I have several hundred of my own, though, so I may put them up on Juliette's site. 

Nice to see that there is still so much interest in FE after all these years. I have it running on my Win7 64 bit system. Everything seems to work except the formula compiler. I'll see if I can figure out what's up with that. 

Dennis

What a lovely surprise!  Hello Dennis. Hope you are keeping well.

Yes, isn't it good to see so many here. Long live FE.

Maybe you can resolve Daali's problem too because she is unable to open a formula sent by Sally.

Dennis

I have the same characteristics of your
and I have the same problem
nothing to do

Alida

Ok, folks, I figured out how to get the formula compiler working in Win7, but it will take a bit of work. What you need to do is go to Microsoft and download the virtual XP machine.

Go here:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/download.aspx

Follow the instructions and download the XP Mode files. When you get it installed, run it and install FE there. Everything should work. 

Get in touch if you have any problems.

Dennis

Wonderful Dennis!  You are going to make certain people very happy:-)))