Zak666Williams opened this issue on Oct 22, 2010 · 26 posts
Zak666Williams posted Fri, 22 October 2010 at 10:32 AM
MODS - please delete the 9,5 thread it was a tpyo
Vue infinite 8,5 fails to import .pz3 files. 3d studio imports import only a few polygons of exported poser figures DXF fails to import texture
nruddock posted Fri, 22 October 2010 at 12:30 PM
The version of the 3DS format supported by Poser has a polygon limit (64K) so it's useless for exporting even a single DAZ figure let alone a whole scene.
Forget DXF.
If you must transfer by exporting, your best bet is OBJ or COLLADA.
Whatever export format you use, you will have to redo some or all of the material settings in Vue.
What was the problem with PZ3 import ?
What version of Poser are you using / have Vue setup for ?
Zak666Williams posted Fri, 22 October 2010 at 2:40 PM
Poser 7 on mac osx. and i do not see a option for exporting poser as collada.
XD
nruddock posted Fri, 22 October 2010 at 4:41 PM
Quote - and i do not see a option for exporting poser as collada.
P7 doesn't have one, stick with OBJ. Can't help much without details on the PZ3 import problem, other than to suggest you try with something simple (say just a primitive) and then add other stuff (or strip your original scene right down, and go from there) until you hit a problem.
That way you'll at least know what the problem item is.
drifterlee posted Sat, 23 October 2010 at 10:34 AM
I read that 8.5 is very slow with Poser imports.
Zak666Williams posted Sun, 24 October 2010 at 2:26 AM
Still fails to load a emy scene and a poser cube
ShawnDriscoll posted Sun, 24 October 2010 at 4:45 AM
Is it a vicky figure you are trying to load into Vue? Or a Poser 7 figure? If it's a vicky figure, it sounds like Poser 7 has the same problem that Poser 6 does with Vue 8.1 and higher.
Zak666Williams posted Sun, 24 October 2010 at 5:25 AM
Akio 3 and hiro and poser 7v stuff dosn't work either looks like eon stuffed up vue 8 XD
Darboshanski posted Mon, 25 October 2010 at 8:34 AM
Quote - I read that 8.5 is very slow with Poser imports.
Painfully so and the reason I don't even bother with 8.5 and stick with 8. If Vue 9 doesn't show anymore promise I reckon Vue 8 will be my last copy of Vue. I am going to wait until Vue 9 has been out awhile and see how others find it and like it before I even consider upgrading.
Zak666Williams posted Mon, 25 October 2010 at 8:58 AM
dose 8 import poser objesct fine? is it worth me emailing eon for a downgrade to 8
rather then 8.5?
thanks
ShawnDriscoll posted Mon, 25 October 2010 at 12:22 PM
Vue 8.0 does import OBJ from Poser just fine. Version 8.1 and later has issues. I do not know if Vue 9 is using the same Poser import routines, or if e-on fixed them by going back to the Poser import routines used in Vue 8.0.
estherau posted Mon, 25 October 2010 at 10:35 PM
8.5 won't import Pz3 especially from poser pro 2010. But vue 9 works perfectly for this.
you can just export .obj from poser and import into vue 8.5 but sorry, 8.5 doesn't play well with poser at all.
Love esther
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Zak666Williams posted Tue, 26 October 2010 at 4:50 AM
is it worth upgrading to Vue9 i want to know for sure before i waste more of my time and money thanks XD
estherau posted Tue, 26 October 2010 at 4:58 AM
yes i think so - except i still get crashes on trying to import large pz3
love esther
I aim to update it about once a month. Oh, and it's free!
drifterlee posted Tue, 26 October 2010 at 10:05 AM
Actually, Vuer 6 and 7 import fine for Poser. I wonder what they changed?
estherau posted Tue, 26 October 2010 at 5:27 PM
poser pro 2010 was the change I think. that has conform to scale and stuff.
Love esther
I aim to update it about once a month. Oh, and it's free!
3DNeo posted Wed, 27 October 2010 at 11:47 PM
There is a whole discussion thread that e-on left on their site if you look at the technical posts there. I was assigned a tech, Neil, by e-on nearly a year ago. The reason is I was the first person to EXTENSIVELY report and prove numerous bugs with Poser importing. After sending many source files to them, Neil told me the problems I uncovered went all the way back to Vue 7.5 and there was basically nothing e-on could do about it. Those problems included: Random issues with importing PZ3 files, Poser "Shader Tree" issues, re-size on import scaling problems, random OOM errors and more. At that time, he said it was due to the Smith Micro SDK e-on uses as the code base for integrating with Poser. They had many issues with it and they said it is unknown when or even if Smith Micro will release a new SDK for programmers.
I found the "Poser Shader Tree" had issues they did not know about even though it appeared to work fine. It was a skin texture and node settings that get totally messed up on import into Vue 7.5 - V8.5 that Neil confirmed. You get what appears to be spots or blotches, more noticible on darker skin textures at times. Again, this was nothing Neil said they could fix and said Smith Micro would have to do so.
He reported all bugs I found to Smith Micro so IF they are using a NEW Smith Micro SDK for Vue 9.x then hopefully it will help some and perhaps some of those bugs were fixed. So far I have not gotten any OFFICIAL word from e-on about this but I have contacted them to find out what the SDK is now.
To find more go to the user matainence forum at e-on where my threads are. A few may also be on their technical search too. Good luck, I will report my findings once the FINAL version ships.
Jeff
Development on: Mac Pro 2008, Duel-Boot OS - Snow Leopard 10.6.6 &
Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit, 2 x 2.8 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon , 10GB
800 MHz DDR2 RAM, NVIDIA GeForce 8800GT.
Zak666Williams posted Thu, 28 October 2010 at 10:39 PM
why do they have a poser option and promote it when it dosn't even work then?
now i cant finnish my project i was working on
ShawnDriscoll posted Thu, 28 October 2010 at 10:57 PM
Because e-on has an EULA that you clicked "AGREE" to when you installed their software, so you can't sue them.
Always keep backups of past updates that you can retrograde to when a current update breaks things.
3DNeo posted Thu, 28 October 2010 at 11:01 PM
Quote - why do they have a poser option and promote it when it dosn't even work then?
now i cant finnish my project i was working on
First, it does work, but it works with issues and is speratic in doing so. Second, you have to know how to work around all these issues. For some things you can and others you can not. An example is the "Poser Shader Tree" issues I found. When Neil at e-on and myself went through all the problems, the only work around was to NOT use that option when importing. Instead, you will need to tweak all of your materials for your Poser PZ3 import by hand. You can't really group them together if you want to tweak individial materials so it takes a VERY long time to work through them all. If it worked, it would save you a lot of time for your scenes.
The issues with OOM are random, sometimes it is OK other times it will crash. Neil told me they knew about this one and the latest SDK from Smith Micro they used for Vue 8.x was to blame. He also said there was no "official" support for Poser Pro at all at that time. Instead, using Poser 7 to import Poser Pro 7 or Poser 8 to import Poser Pro 2010 may or may not work. I found it all depended on certain things and Poser Pro 2010 would not work at all for me with that version of Vue.
The one thing I do NOT understand is how you can charge that much for your software and still be depending upon another company for an SDK to use with your program. Other companies do it better or at least have more 3rd party options. One company that gets it right most all the time is C4D and I have not had issues with Poser imports with them at all. I tried to get an answer from e-on as to why they don't write their own Poser import code and have full control of it. I don't think e-on will ever give a good answer for that one.
Jeff
Development on: Mac Pro 2008, Duel-Boot OS - Snow Leopard 10.6.6 &
Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit, 2 x 2.8 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon , 10GB
800 MHz DDR2 RAM, NVIDIA GeForce 8800GT.
ShawnDriscoll posted Thu, 28 October 2010 at 11:06 PM
E-on relies on 3rd-party developers for a lot of their code in Vue and in their servers. E-on can't write it all themselves.
3DNeo posted Thu, 28 October 2010 at 11:19 PM
Quote - E-on relies on 3rd-party developers for a lot of their code in Vue and in their servers. E-on can't write it all themselves.
Their servers have nothing to do with Vue itself, you can hire an outside firm to maintain that.
It is VERY easy for any good company to write import code. We are not talking about doing it all from the ground up with a new Vue program. A decently skilled programmer should be able to do this with no problems at all. Hoever, e-on has proven to be not as skilled in comparison to others. What they really need is a new team to come in with fresh eyes and take 1-2 years to go over the entire program and fix everything that is wrong. I know there are many like myself that would not care if any new features were added but instead had a much better and reliable program.
Jeff
Development on: Mac Pro 2008, Duel-Boot OS - Snow Leopard 10.6.6 &
Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit, 2 x 2.8 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon , 10GB
800 MHz DDR2 RAM, NVIDIA GeForce 8800GT.
Zak666Williams posted Thu, 28 October 2010 at 11:44 PM
Vue poser import just dose not work for me, error importing pz3.
i wonder how many other people are gonna be pissed of becouse 8.5 and poser don't work well toegther and make proberbly going tospend lots of money on another program i shouldent need to, they don't need to bring out vue 9 bit need to fix all the errors in vue i gree with 3DNeo, they are kind of like "got to have 1 a year" why dont they just make one thats works FULLY with no glitchies. Vue 6 pro studio imported poser Reasonsbly well still some gliches and they still havn't got back to me about a downgrade to Vue 8 yet to make poser import work ;(
ShawnDriscoll posted Fri, 29 October 2010 at 12:39 AM
Quote - > Quote - E-on relies on 3rd-party developers for a lot of their code in Vue and in their servers. E-on can't write it all themselves.
Their servers have nothing to do with Vue itself, you can hire an outside firm to maintain that.
Servers store/backup and generate the builds of Vue on a weekly basis probably. A failure will introduce bad code into a build. Servers are also what allows Vue users to utilize their office floor as a render farm. This tech has to be a module just like all the other modules in Vue.
Quote - It is VERY easy for any good company to write import code.
They just need the people-hours to write the import/export code for every file format out there they can get licenses/SDKs for.
Quote - We are not talking about doing it all from the ground up with a new Vue program.
E-on tries to part out code as modules either combined together (which that Vue code builder/downloader server provides for Infinite buyers as one EXE installer) or pieced out separately for Pioneer/Studio buyers. No one person or team can write this code and have it work. Does e-on even have a QA team before the code is released?
Quote - A decently skilled programmer should be able to do this with no problems at all.
If not mismanaged.
Quote - Hoever, e-on has proven to be not as skilled in comparison to others. What they really need is a new team to come in with fresh eyes and take 1-2 years to go over the entire program and fix everything that is wrong. I know there are many like myself that would not care if any new features were added but instead had a much better and reliable program.
Autodesk could have swallowed e-on whole two years ago and worked out a new programming team for Vue. But the economy took a hit. Tiny startup companies have since then used the module coding idea and have created simple plugins for MAX 2010 that perform better than what e-on has been trying with their xStream.
When all rendering apps can do clouds and replicate trees, Vue will be less important.
Zak666Williams posted Fri, 29 October 2010 at 12:52 AM
no one have any idea how i can get my poser files into vue maybee through a third party program?
ShawnDriscoll posted Fri, 29 October 2010 at 2:16 AM
Do you have Carrara Pro? It's been free in magazines recently. It can import the OBJ models from Poser where you can do touch ups on the models. It's a good debugging tool for correcting Poser figures for use in other 3D programs. DAZ|Studio is another one. From Carrara, I export as OBJ again to get a clean UV mapped mesh with a skin texture that I can then import into Vue with minimal effort. Just the highlight and optional bump of the Poser model needs adjusting in Vue's Material Editor.
This is for static figures to be rendered in Vue. Collada (in theory) would handle animated Poser figures.