Forum: Poser - OFFICIAL


Subject: anatomically correct / FACS compatible expressions?

mr_Holger opened this issue on Jan 21, 2011 · 9 posts


mr_Holger posted Fri, 21 January 2011 at 1:38 PM

Hello, I am looking for expressions, that are developed with highest possible congruence with real human expressions. I know, that such FACS compatible expressions are not needed for the usual renders and many artists make really beautiful and very aesthetic expressions, but in mios tcases, there is no need for a 1:1 corresponding with the anatomy of a real human face, tha tis showing the same emotion.

but I need such expressions and so I aks you, if you know such.

 

thanks for helping!


Eric Walters posted Sun, 23 January 2011 at 12:27 AM

Hi

What does FACS mean?



mitzi-CG posted Sun, 23 January 2011 at 1:45 AM

Facial Action Coding System

http://face-and-emotion.com/dataface/facs/description.jsp 

 

 


infinity10 posted Sun, 23 January 2011 at 1:51 AM

Wow, I learned something new today.  

Also, babies' faces move differently from adults.

Sorry I couldn't contribute  better information, but I just had to chime in.

Eternal Hobbyist

 


mr_Holger posted Sun, 23 January 2011 at 2:42 AM

I would like to explain my matter a little bit more, because I would like to prevent any misunderstandings.

I need the expressions for the work with children with special educational needs, their teachers and parents too and for developing a special training material and (I hope so) a test for diagnosis in the near future.

workign with photos of real human faces is one solution, but one can never control, if the person at the photo will not cause any unwanted feelings in the child, that works with the card. so I want to try it with images of avatars, because they have no equivalent in the reality, but look always friendly and inspiring confidence.
but using such images, I have to ensure, that the emotional expression, that the faces of the avatars show, are as close as possible to the ones of real human faces. otherwise I cannot garantuee for the validity of my work. for example: a real human laughter cannot be faked, because the ring muscles under our eyes are changing when laughing. but they are not involved in the expression, if one is faking a laughter. because this muscles cannot be controlled by will.

so if an artist creates a beautiful laughing expression even with the finest details around the mouth region for example, with all that crinkles and so on, but makes no changes in the muscular region around the eyes, the result is (in a scientific understanding) not a real emotion. using such an image in a diagnosis test can make the test invalid.

and so I asked for expressions with a high degree of conformity with expressions to the human reality.

To say the truth, I am nit sure, if the facial structure of any of the Poser-models (figures) allows it principally to rebuild real human expressions.


estherau posted Mon, 24 January 2011 at 4:08 AM

Attached Link: http://www.daz3d.com/i/3d-models/-/all-smiles-expressions?item=10807&_m=d

I quite like this set.

also if you make the expression on say frame 30, you can dial back until you get the look you like - eg maybe frame 20

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mr_Holger posted Mon, 24 January 2011 at 4:15 AM

really goodlooking expressions.

I wish, they would do the whole bandwith of emotions this way.


estherau posted Mon, 24 January 2011 at 4:47 AM

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?ViewProduct=78157&keyword=expressions

I use this set a lot too.

Love esther

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mr_Holger posted Mon, 24 January 2011 at 8:18 AM

d’accord! I bought this some days before, because it is verywell done. the artist told me, that it is modeled after refrence images and as anyone can see done with great expirience. I recommend it highly!