efstarlet opened this issue on Feb 07, 2011 · 117 posts
efstarlet posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 12:45 PM
Attached Link: Poser Debut - Coming February 14
Meet Poser Debut, the easiest way to start creating 3D art and animation at an incredibly affordable price.WE'RE SPREADING THE 3D LOVE! ♥
On February 14 Poser Debut will be available for everyone to use. To celebrate this long-awaited launch, we're going to offer it for a limited-time introductory price of $29.99 for 3 DAYS ONLY!
Bring Your Dreams and Fantasies to Life in 3D
Dreaming about making 3D art and animation? Learn 3D the easy way with Poser Debut. Create scenes and add, pose and animate 3D characters. Master 3D art and animation with our easy to follow, step-by-step Project Guide. Poser Debut has everything you need to get started quickly, including dozens of ready to pose characters—from cute cartoons and animals to robots and photo-realistic humans. Within minutes you can start rendering 3D scenes into gorgeous art and cool animations that will impress your family, friends, teachers and coworkers. It's easy, it's fun, it's Poser Debut.
Learn More Here: http://poser.smithmicro.com/poser-debut/
MagnusGreel posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 12:50 PM
well without more details eg it being added to the Poser Version comparison chart, why should I get it?
how does it compare to Poser 8 or Pro or even Poser 7 / PoserPro? (other than cost)
sell me here someone....
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efstarlet posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 12:52 PM
I just asked the web team - they were going to have it up for launch but they will add it to that page now - I'll let you know when it's up!
LaurieA posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 12:52 PM
And how does this differ from, let's say, Poser 8 vanilla? I'd hate to think I paid a lot more for the same program ;o).
Laurie
efstarlet posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 12:54 PM
Laurie - From what I recall, the difference is fairly significant - you've got a lot of awesome powerful features this doesn't. We'll get that chart up for you quickly.
markschum posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 1:00 PM
Hmm, all the reviews on that page seem to be Poser 8 . I will watch this with interest because I might just update at that intro price.
efstarlet posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 1:06 PM
Since this is a brand new entry level product that won't launch until next week, there are no reviews for it yet. The reviews are for the Poser brand, and we hope that this version continues to carry those same high reviews.
What version of Poser are you running markschum? I was talking to the product manager last week about how many Poser 4-7 customers may be really excited about this product - it's a nice way to test out the newer feel and library for Poser, without the investment of Poser 8 or Poser Pro 2010...while there continues to be an upgrade path from Debut to those higher versions in case you get hooked and need more power.
efstarlet posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 2:02 PM
Attached Link: Comparison Chart for Poser Debut
Here you go - the chart is up:http://poser.smithmicro.com/poser-debut/#Compare
MagnusGreel posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 2:08 PM
thank you. comparing it to the poser 7 & Poserpro I already have... no sale for me. no hair, matroom, rigging, displacment maps, ... I need those.
I'll skip straight to poser 8 / 2010 when I have the money.
thanks for the help!
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SamTherapy posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 2:22 PM
Have I fallen into a parallel universe or something?
Another commercial post in the Poser forum.
Christ on a fucking bike. 
:mad:
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efstarlet posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 2:25 PM
I'm sorry. I thought someone might say something. :(
Rendo will likely be posting a banner at the top of this forum as part of their affiliate program selling Poser Debut starting on Monday - I thought this was news people wanted to know about the software. I try and only post here when there are things I think the community at large is interested in.
Things like new versions are tricky for me -
**Can I get a Moderator opinion on this? ** Should I remove my post? Should I not post these things?
JenX posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 2:28 PM
This is the Poser forum. Smith Micro is, and always has been, welcome to post features of upcoming programs. If you have any complaints or questions, the complaint bin starts where you click "Email" in my sigline.
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efstarlet posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 2:31 PM
Thanks Jen - I try and not be salesy. I know the rules, so I try and walk the line. I really don't want to upset things.
After 10 years working with this software, I'm really damn proud we can finally put out an affordable version for people to learn on. I think this is really going to grow this community with some new, fun faces! I'm excited!
JenX posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 2:33 PM
I hope so!
Starlet, I was looking at the features list comparison, and I was wondering, will there be a way that the end user will be able to change the materials at all? Something more like the non-advanced material room or the old Poser 4 version?
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markschum posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 2:36 PM
I figured with a name like debut , this would be an entry level product. I have Poser 7 so it seems like Poser 8 is my upgrade path and that not going to happen because of cost. As a hobbiest I dont see any benefit especially with the computer I am running.
It would be nice if these announcements were more clearly Smith Micro rather than figure out its not just some user spamming the forum.
edgeverse posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 3:06 PM
It looks impressive.
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thinkcooper posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 3:32 PM
Attached Link: Poser Debut compared to other versions of Poser
Hey Jen,There are only the most basic levels of material editing in Debut as were found in Poser 4.
The intent of Debut is bring new users into the world of Poser, get them comfortable with the tools, and play, rather than have them dive in to heavy editing. Debut will handle advanced content, and render it, but editability is limited. Those that want more control will be encouraged to move into more powerful versions of Poser.
Debut is a very, very simplified version or Poser - akin to Poser 4 levels with the new UI system. Poser Debut does not include dynamic cloth or hair, the face room, talk designer, only simple controls for rendering and material editing, no rigging tools or figure set-up capability. We spent a lot of time trying to pick features that would convey the basic experience of Poser, without eroding the vlaue of Poser 8 or Poser Pro 2010.
The full feature matrix linked above does a decent job of showing the differences between versions.
Debut will likely be on the shelves at Best Buy, and other traditional retailers with an agressive price designed to entice new users that have never tried or perhaps even heard of Poser. My hope is that if we find success here, we can bring in new customers for the content market that haven't already invested in Poser content - helping the aftermarket content ecosystem grow.
Cooper
Quote - I hope so!
Starlet, I was looking at the features list comparison, and I was wondering, will there be a way that the end user will be able to change the materials at all? Something more like the non-advanced material room or the old Poser 4 version?
Miss Nancy posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 3:45 PM
maybe the mass market will buy something easier than poser9, which (extrapolating from poser8/pp2010) will be opaque to 3d neos IMVHO. as we've seen in gallery and forum posts, they're unable/unwilling to use the features that would produce professional-looking renders. as we've seen from forensic animations/illos/ads in mass media, they're still using poser4-style renders for those. low price tag may appeal to cash-poor/tech-savvy market.
JenX posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 3:49 PM
That's actually a really awesome prospect :) I will admit a geeky sense of glee when I walk into Microcenter and see Poser on the shelf. :biggrin:
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PhilC posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 4:22 PM
Sounds good to me :)
aeilkema posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 4:44 PM
Why is SM allowed to directly commercially advertise on this forum with obvious support from the mods, while others are not allowed to do so?
Artwork and 3DToons items, create the perfect place for you toon and other figures!
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?vendor=23722
Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(
Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk
PhilC posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 4:56 PM
Probably because it is a forum specifically dealing with the Poser application and since they created it and own it, it would appear to be highly relevant.
Now if SM were to be posting adverts every five minutes I would agree that it is not appropriate however I found this thread very informative and was glad that I read it.
Alternatively I'll be happy to start a new thread entitled, "Does any one know anything about a new entry level edition of Poser?" and efstarlet could copy/paste their messages below that?
arcebus posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 5:04 PM
I'm not sure.... just went through the version-table.
Of course, SM tries to push new people to Poser (which I find a good idea). I understand, that the possibilities for the Intro-"Drug" have to be limited.
The question is - will the 3D newbies they are targeting, ever understand what's really possible? I mean - if they are new to 3D - and the first thing to experience for them is limits... (It actually makes a difference whether you are rendering in 2 threads or in 12...)
Anyway - hope the thing becomes a success. Could help the whole market.
arcebus posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 5:09 PM
Tashar59 posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 5:22 PM
People complain when there is no news, like me. But I sure won't complain when there is news. I can't think of a better place to post this news than in the POSER forum.
Hope they continue to do so.
Looks like they are trying to compete with DS and thier new maketing stratagy. Next will be an online version to match DAZ. LOL.
LaurieA posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 5:23 PM
Quote - Why is SM allowed to directly commercially advertise on this forum with obvious support from the mods, while others are not allowed to do so?
Um, that might be because it's the POSER forum??
Laurie
aeilkema posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 5:28 PM
For some reason I was under the impression that the ´owner´ cannot start a commercial thread, but someone else could, withing in limits. Must be wrong about that. I know for sure I cannot advertise any of my commercial poser stuff in this forum, even though it is the poser forum.
Artwork and 3DToons items, create the perfect place for you toon and other figures!
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?vendor=23722
Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(
Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk
KimberlyC posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 5:44 PM
aeilkema - Laurie said, this is the Poser forum. Updates and new products made by the company that makes the topic of the forum are fine. This is the best place to find out new things for Poser here in the forum.
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bob1965 posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 5:46 PM
Quote -
- helping the aftermarket content ecosystem grow.
Cooper
Makes the content market sound like something you'd find in that bowl shoved to the back of the fridge and forgotten for months.
You know, the one that gets the "You open it. No, you open it." routine when it is found.:lol:
Poser Debut does seem like a good product to bring in new users though since the plan is to sell at the box stores also.
arcebus posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 5:54 PM
You know, the one that gets the "You open it. No, you open it." routine when it is found.
;-}}
wolf359 posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 7:10 PM
Hi while i am perfectly willing to disregard the "commercial posts in the forum" aspect of this announcement,
I am very unimpressed with this "New product's"
Price ...Frankly this should be FREE!!!.
it is useless to anyone already running poser 6 or higher, but thats fine as it is for the "new" poser user
OK I know you dont make your marketing
decisions based on what "they" are doing
(D*Z) but really now ...
you have dug Poser4 out of the dumpster and re-heated in the Microwave(no pun intended) Slapped a new label on it
and are trying to serve it to unsuspecting newbies who might be better served if they took their $30/$50 and Bought a few plugins for their FREE Copy of DAZ Studio 3
Not impressed not at all.
Cheers
grichter posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 7:11 PM
Been at this about 6 or so years.
Thinking back...it was about 6 months before I ventured into cloth sims. 9 months to a year before I stepped into the material room and or started editing cr2's and pp2's and pz2's etc.. Maybe two years before I got into importing and exporting objects as props, or morphs and tried rigging. Never tried the face room. Tried the hair room a couple of times and gave up. Previoysly dabbed around in Python until I recently decided to dive in head first and write a set of scripts for personal use. Still polishing those off.
This product makes sense for a complete newbie. Get them comfortable and hooked and then provide and expansion path, when they are ready for it.
Gary
"Those who lose themselves in a passion lose less than those who lose their passion"
JenX posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 8:03 PM
Guys? Let's move back into reality for a smidge.
Smith Micro is the company that currently owns Poser, the program that this specific forum is dedicated to. So, allowing them to, every other year or so, make ONE thread about the product that most of the users of this forum use on a regular basis isn't just a kindly deed that us evil staff members foist upon our unsuspecting membership. It's something that happens on every message board and forum dedicated to a software platform that the software creators/owners are aware of ACROSS THE INTERNET. This is not a new thing. It is a very, very old thing.
We allowed the same courtesy to E-Frontier (oddly enough, what the "ef" in "efstarlet" stands for), to Curious Labs, and, I wasn't here back then, but I'm sure that MetaCreations and Fractal Designs got some facetime on the forums.
If you're going to get complainey that SM gets to advertise Poser in the Poser forum, and it's not fair that every merchant on the planet that makes products for Poser doesn't get to, let's do some math. There is ONE Smith Micro company. There are THOUSANDS of merchants. There are legitimate avenues that one can take to advertise their products, both hosted here and not, on Renderosity that are allowed. If you'd like more help on that, please contact a staff member. But, seriously, complaining that the company that creates the software that this forum is dedicated to is...just silly. Let's not get pedantic, and let's embrace the fact that there will be new software for people who may not WANT or NEED all the bells and whistles. I will assume (please, someone at SM correct me if I'm wrong) that there will be an upgrade path to P8 or PP2010, should the user need it.
In this economy, it makes sense to create a base version with a lower price. It does what is intended, for a small price. This is a hobby market, yes? $50 is a pretty decent hobby market price. No, it's not free like DAZ Studio. But, it's not DAZ Studio. They are two different programs. From two different companies.
Now, none of this is going to make everyone happy. But, then again, there isn't anything that can please everyone. We all just have to hope that some people like it.
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Miss Nancy posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 9:01 PM
wolf, how they gonna keep poser9 price down if they can't sell this new item at low price? previous version of this item was PFA. this is first logical place for trial balloon IMVHO. they'll run it up flagpole and see if response as predicted (yes).
edgeverse posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 9:02 PM
Poser Debut looks interesting. I have used poser for years.
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SteveJax posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 9:08 PM
I for one am glad to hear SM is taking Poser back into the physical store market. Will it have the Content Tab that takes people to CP or one that brings people to Renderosity? Now THAT would be a nice boost to the content market!
edgeverse posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 9:11 PM
Awesome question, Stevejax.
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saibabameuk posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 9:38 PM
A sensible commercial and educational decision from SM. Giving lower income users a break.
Helping cut out pirating is a a positive force and will strengthen the base for a great product.
Lets have some freebee promotions to.
edgeverse posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 9:39 PM
Well put, saibabameuk.
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estherau posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 10:02 PM
Quote from JenX: "Starlet, I was looking at the features list comparison, and I was wondering, will there be a way that the end user will be able to change the materials at all? Something more like the non-advanced material room or the old Poser 4 version? "
There actually already is. Igot it from rdna and it by semidieu. I think it's called poser material manager. It can search by name too so I can pick all the materials with skin in their name and eg change the ambient to something else, or change one of the image maps etc. this script has saved me hours and hours of work.
Love esther
I aim to update it about once a month. Oh, and it's free!
SteveJax posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 10:07 PM
Quote - > Quote - from JenX: Starlet, I was looking at the features list comparison, and I was wondering, will there be a way that the end user will be able to change the materials at all? Something more like the non-advanced material room or the old Poser 4 version? "
There actually already is. I got it from rdna and it by semidieu. I think it's called poser material manager. It can search by name too so I can pick all the materials with skin in their name and eg change the ambient to something else, or change one of the image maps etc. this script has saved me hours and hours of work.
Love esther
Poser Debute doesn't use Python Scripting though.
estherau posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 10:14 PM
well we all own poser already. this new version of poser is more for our friends or maybe some DS users who want to try something new.
Love esther
I aim to update it about once a month. Oh, and it's free!
efstarlet posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 10:15 PM
Quote - wolf, how they gonna keep poser9 price down if they can't sell this new item at low price? previous version of this item was PFA. this is first logical place for trial balloon IMVHO. they'll run it up flagpole and see if response as predicted (yes).
I always forget about Poser Figure Artist. PFA was an odd departure from Poser when we were at e frontier... not the traditional Poser UI, a little different market - It was geared towards traditional artists looking for artists reference. It was a totally new and different Poser application. Poser Artist was the actual Poser 4 build repackaged into a new box, (this is probably what you are thinking of) and was hoping to do what Poser Debut is really actually BUILT to do...make learning 3D fun, on the newest Poser code available.
And @Jen - Yup, Poser Debut users will have an upgrade path to both Poser 8 (now the intermediate version) and Poser Pro 2010 (the advanced version) - about $35 off the regular price to offset their investment. (Don't quote me on prices, I haven't seen the final list.)
efstarlet posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 10:18 PM
Quote - well we all own poser already. this new version of poser is more for our friends or maybe some DS users who want to try something new.
Love esther
I think this place has a home for older Poser users. I think there are some holdouts making excellent results on old versions of Poser (like Poser 4 and 5) that haven't needed all the fancy features they keep packing in, but who may still want the benefits of stuff like the new library and the updated code. I do agree that this is the way to pull your friends into the addiction. ;-)
SteveJax posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 10:26 PM
Quote - Well we all own poser already. this new version of poser is more for our friends or maybe some DS users who want to try something new. Love esther
Yes but I was merely pointing out that the answer you gave to JenX regarding the ability to edit materials wasn't a solution to Poser Debut users. (I will be looking at it for my regular Poser use however. I didn't know it existed.)
BadKittehCo posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 11:16 PM
WOW, SM is using Addy's render of my apteromata to advertise themselves.
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pakled posted Mon, 07 February 2011 at 11:22 PM
I should know that Poser 8 was 'obsolete' when I actually got (someone else's) money together to get it...;)
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lmckenzie posted Tue, 08 February 2011 at 12:51 AM
I think it's a good idea ... but if they are feeling a bit of heat from DS, then it should be free. You can get free limited versions of Vue and other apps. IMO, that's the best way to lure new users. At any rate, it's nice to see some recognition of the fact that everyone may not need or want the more advanced features. As long as there's a generous upgrade path, they're free to move up later if they want.
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aeilkema posted Tue, 08 February 2011 at 6:15 AM
I think it's a good move that's for sure, not all of us need everything Poser offers, especially not when you're starting out. This would actually be perfect for me, I only render occasionally these days, very basic stuff, don't need all the extra bells and whistles anymore. I can see how this can draw in new people trying out 3D and hobbyists with little demands.
On the other hand I agree with Wolf359..... knowing how the competition draws in new customers, by giving away their base application for free, SM should perhaps not have price taged this at all.
There's also a worrying aspect to this move, it sounds like the current customer base is not enough validate poser anymore and expansion needs to be made to ensure future development.
As for the commercial posts, while I understand the reasoning for allowing this, it still doesn't change the whole 'commercial posts not allowed' issue. We all know the cases where mods (viciously) jumped in a thread closing it because of the commercial nature. This is very typical for Rendo, some get a way with stuff, while others don't. We all get treated equally, with the exception of a number of people. Nothing new. I'll leave it at this, you either make clear rules for everyone to abide by, without exceptions, or let things be free. Not like it is now, some people seem to be above the rules and that's not good imo.
Artwork and 3DToons items, create the perfect place for you toon and other figures!
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?vendor=23722
Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(
Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk
estherau posted Tue, 08 February 2011 at 6:26 AM
quote:- whole 'commercial posts not allowed' issue
Hi,
this has been discussed in the past. While I was really disappointed that we can't say "hey, daz has got this or that on sale" anymore, they did clarify some time ago when this came up about what was tolerated and what wasn't. Rendero admin stated very clearly in a previous thread that if someone had news about something that was new and highly significant to poser, even if it was a commercial product, then that would be allowed, and I think they even gave the example of a new version. They said a new V4 morph didn't count as significant.
But for just ordinary content, they reckon there is plenty and we don't need to post about it. They will allow us to post about sales and things if somene asks about a particular product.
ie poser itself and SM are exempt. Because it is a poser forum. Without poser where would we be?
And they have previously clarified these points. I wasn't happy about not being able to post about content as content is what we use all the time to make our pics, but they did explain their rules. it's their forum and their rules.
I must say, like to hear SM news.
Love esther
I aim to update it about once a month. Oh, and it's free!
mylemonblue posted Tue, 08 February 2011 at 6:51 AM
This looks like a great way to expand the Poser user base. It needs to be advertised to all over the Facebook universe.
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modus0 posted Tue, 08 February 2011 at 7:46 AM
I think someone needs to change the "It's the Lowest Cost Way to Learn 3D" bit, because Poser Debut, with a price tag, is not the lowest cost 3D entry program.
That claim belongs to DAZ Studio, the basic version of which is still free. Sure, the add-on cost may be up around the the price of Poser8/Pro 2010, but you can still get a functioning version without paying a dime.
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Plutom posted Tue, 08 February 2011 at 9:03 AM
One thing, probably all of the folks that have posted here already have Poser and have had it for several years -- Debut really doesn't apply to them.
Saying that, there probably are 1000's of folks here that do not have Poser anything and gathering research on Poser before plunging in. SmithMicro offers a 30 day trial period for Debut (money refunded within 30 days). For the price, "free for 30 days" folks can take the dive into the world of Poser--its similiar to Photoshop Elements for folks that may want Daddy someday -- and one gigabytes of free stuff is pretty good.
I spent several months lurking here before purchasing. Jan
wolf359 posted Tue, 08 February 2011 at 9:48 AM
Quote - SmithMicro offers a 30 day trial period for Debut (money refunded within 30 days). For the price, "free for 30 days" folks can take the dive into the world of Pose
But within that 30 days any complete noobie will have spent money and learned nothing of "3D character posing and rendering" that he will need in the future, particularly rendering
its amazing and ironic that nearly EVERYTHING that people have argued made poser a better value for the money , than Daz Studio, been stripped from "Debut"
Dynamic Cloth/Hair- NO
Hierarchy editor--NO...Why not??
Rigging --NO
python/ Wardrobe wizard --NO
64 bit windows/OSX --NO
Manual control over firefly --NO
Faceroom --NO
Facebook® image export - yes but ..what it this?? Facebook has their own image format now.??
and does this version not pretty much Exclude the use of everything Generous Innovators Like
Bagginsbill, Philc and ockham have given to the user base?
how much coding skill did it take to create this poser4 redux I wonder.
It seems SM is completely bereft of new Ideas/Innovations at this point
This is a HUGE marketing Blunder IMHO.
Cheers
geep posted Tue, 08 February 2011 at 10:29 AM
"Opinions vary." :lol:
Remember ... "With Poser, all things are possible, and poseable!"
cheers,
dr geep ... :o]
edited 10/5/2019
Gareee posted Tue, 08 February 2011 at 10:53 AM
Aeilkema, you can always post your own aeilkema commercial posts in the aeilkema forum here.
Seriously, what a stupid complaint. ;)
Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.
Letterworks posted Tue, 08 February 2011 at 12:18 PM
Aeilkema, actually Rendo, as the owner of the site, can make any rule and break any rule they want. This has been proven many times in the past. This site is NOT a democracy so we just have to accept the fact that there is a higher power that can be excercised. I'm actually against the " no commercial" policy but I also remember the forum before it was made and it was much more chaostic, if, in my opinion, more informative. I check the commercial forum everyday, but still see far fewer post about new products there than used to be posted here. Sadly most vendors don't even bother posting there since it has way fewer 'hits'. Re: Poser Debut I actually think a stripped down version as a starter is a good idea. However since there is some cost involved vs the availability of free versions of other software, such as DAZ studio, it may have a limited market if it's not advertised heavily. With a sizable advertising campaign aimed at non-3d users it will probably do well, and bring new blood into the community. Advertising in areas (magazines and sites) devoted to existing 3d users will probably be much less useful, IMO.
icprncss2 posted Tue, 08 February 2011 at 1:09 PM
The one drawback I see is the lack of Python scripting.
LaurieA posted Tue, 08 February 2011 at 1:45 PM
It's only seen as a drawback by those of us who use and have used Poser lo these many years ;o). To a new user I assume python scripts can be confusing.
Laurie
wolf359 posted Tue, 08 February 2011 at 1:55 PM
Well not if you tell the new user what the script does and give them a button to push (Thanks Philc/Paul etc.)
assuming he/she can read. 
My knowledge of python scripting is ZERO but that "run simulation" button in poser physics
has made me quite a bit of $$money$$ lately and offers me Ragdoll character animation capability not available in my $3000+ Dollar Cinema4D R11 Studio
but alas we had no python scripting back in the previous century in poser4
so why would it be in the "new" poser4 AKA "Debut".
Cheers
philebus posted Tue, 08 February 2011 at 2:59 PM
This seems like a good idea - the suggestions that this product should be free in the way DAZ Studio is are missing a point.
Studio can be given away free for two reasons: first its on-line distribution as a download and second because DAZ makes its money on the content sales made by those who download it. The downside is that by being on-line availability only and not being a shop product limits the product exposure.
SM is a different kettle of fish. While it is true that they want a slice of the content market, their main income is still from the software itself, which does come with a fairly big chunck of content now. It may not stand next to 4th Gen DAZ figures but it is enough to get people started. Being a sold item, available in a box, no doubt discounted from its rrp, it will be able to reach a potential customer base that won't notice DAZ Studio - shoppers in stores, both in the high-street and on-line. You won't stumble upon Studio in Amazon, but you might Poser.
On the subject of materials - it does look like it might be able to apply more advanced materials through the content browser - but you won't be able to edit them.
icprncss2 posted Tue, 08 February 2011 at 11:37 PM
I still think the price tag is a little steep for what you aren't getting.
If the regular price was $29.99 with an intro price of $9.99, I could see sales going somewhere.
P7 was just on sale for $39.99. Does this release mean SMS will no longer be offering older versions of Poser at sale prices?
lmckenzie posted Wed, 09 February 2011 at 9:20 AM
Sidefx doesn't really sell content AFAIK and they have Houdini Apprentice for free. SoftImage had a free version which probably got canned when AutoDesk bought them. E-on sell content though I'm not sure how big a slice of their revenue it is - and they have a free version. Serif gives away older versions of their graphics apps, etc., so I'm not sure the content vs. software argument is wholly persuasive, to me at least. Heck, Poser 5 was even free for a limited time.
I'm not saying the strategy is necessarily a bad idea, but when your only real direct competitor has a capable free product advertised all over the web... I'm also a bit dubious about the value of boxed sales these days. I'm sure there are a lot of folks who would prefer the shrink wrap, myself included, but I'm also pretty sure that the days of brick and mortar software sales are about gone - even assuming you can get shelf space without paying hefty kickba.. er' promotional fee. It's their money though and I wish them well.
"Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H. L. Mencken
vintorix posted Wed, 09 February 2011 at 9:46 AM
haha, smithmicro is feeling the breath of Quidam down their neck!
ockham posted Wed, 09 February 2011 at 9:54 AM
@Philebus: "You won't stumble upon Studio in Amazon, but you might Poser."
Interesting point. I hadn't thought about that! Advertising doesn't happen unless there's a return for the advertising.
Klebnor posted Wed, 09 February 2011 at 10:45 AM
Poser Debut's Firefly rendering engine is powerful enough to create art and animation that looks like it came from a Hollywood studio, yet is simple enough to use from your first draft to your final masterpiece. Within minutes you can start rendering 3D scenes into gorgeous art and cool animations that will impress your family, friends teachers and coworkers."
Really?
Really??
This is the copy advertising a 3d app for beginners???
My BS meter exploded, now I have to clean it up.
By the way, if SM meant "friends' teachers" they missed the apostrophe, if they meant "friends, teachers" then the comma got lost. As it stands, the claim is that users will impress their "friends teachers", a small and odd subset of the universe of potential 3d art admirers.
Klebnor
Lotus 123 ~ S-Render ~ OS/2 WARP ~ IBM 8088 / 4.77 Mhz ~ Hercules Ultima graphics, Hitachi 10 MB HDD, 64K RAM, 12 in diagonal CRT Monitor (16 colors / 60 Hz refresh rate), 240 Watt PS, Dual 1.44 MB Floppies, 2 button mouse input device. Beige horizontal case. I don't display my unit.
SteveJax posted Wed, 09 February 2011 at 11:20 AM
Isn't Nichtentsteigen "The City of No"?
LaurieA posted Wed, 09 February 2011 at 11:53 AM
Quote - "Create 3D Art Like Pixar® & Dreamworks®Poser Debut's Firefly rendering engine is powerful enough to create art and animation that looks like it came from a Hollywood studio, yet is simple enough to use from your first draft to your final masterpiece. Within minutes you can start rendering 3D scenes into gorgeous art and cool animations that will impress your family, friends teachers and coworkers."
Really?
Really??
This is the copy advertising a 3d app for beginners???
My BS meter exploded, now I have to clean it up.
mad giggle There's quite a bit of postwork on some of them thar images too ;o)
Laurie
Klebnor posted Wed, 09 February 2011 at 11:53 AM
"Do not board"
As in a train.
It is generallly the placeholder, displayed in the city field, for the overhead signs at a large or central trainstation (Hauptbahnhof) when the train is at the platform, but the destination has not been designated.
Hence the saying "all the empty trains go to Nichteinsteigen"
The city of no would be "Neinstadt", formerly known as Bonn.
Klebnor
Lotus 123 ~ S-Render ~ OS/2 WARP ~ IBM 8088 / 4.77 Mhz ~ Hercules Ultima graphics, Hitachi 10 MB HDD, 64K RAM, 12 in diagonal CRT Monitor (16 colors / 60 Hz refresh rate), 240 Watt PS, Dual 1.44 MB Floppies, 2 button mouse input device. Beige horizontal case. I don't display my unit.
3doutlaw posted Wed, 09 February 2011 at 12:25 PM
So if you have Poser 7...would Poser Debut give you any key features that would be beneficial, other than a better interface?
For example, a combination of Poser 7/Debut covers a LOT of Poser 8...and would be more cost effective at $29 than a $129 upgrade.
I talked to Smith Micro support, and they said it would all be compatible. (though take it with a grain of salt, as their tech support had not even heard of this new Debut product...I had to direct him to his website, LOL)
edgeverse posted Wed, 09 February 2011 at 2:22 PM
I think I will be picking this up. Not because of price.
But I LOVE poser.
3D Digital Comics & Art/My homepage
http://www.edgeversemedia.com
3doutlaw posted Wed, 09 February 2011 at 4:40 PM
Actually most interested if you can make a scene (pz3) in PD (without the file location restrictions) and then open that scene in P7? Am trying to get an answer to that here
Acadia posted Wed, 09 February 2011 at 6:11 PM
Ok. Colour me dumb, but what exactly is the whole purpose behind this "poser debut"?!
You can buy the full program, use only the parts that you want to, and have the parts that you can't yet use, for when you feel up to speed enough where you want to learn more.
I mean one can play "dress up dolly" for only so long before you want to start sinking your teeth into some of the more substantial elements of the program... such as the material room and cloth room.
Will there be plugins available that people can buy to add to the "debut" product? Or will they have to fork over more money to buy upgrades?
Personally my opinion is that if you want to get into 3D, rather than spending money on something that will take you 25% to where you need to be, you are better off spending the money on something that will eventually get you 100% to where you want to go.
Much of the advertised art is post worked, and have elements in them that are done using more advanced elements of the program such as material room nodes, and lighting. Lighting is the key to a good image, but so is knowing placement. No out of the box program will get you doing those things within minutes unless you already know how.
"It is good to see ourselves as
others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we
are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not
angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to
say." - Ghandi
lmckenzie posted Wed, 09 February 2011 at 7:20 PM
I imagine that not everyone can afford the full program or necessarily justify it. There also probably quite a few potential users who just want to make pics for greeting cards, newsletters, any number of things that may not require the whole enchilada. Parents/teachers may want to introduce kids to computer art, even someone doing forensic recreations may not need dynamic cloth or advanced materials.
I do think the ad copy may be a bit of a disconnect. The would be Hollywood FX crowd and the impress the 'friends teachers' folks are probably largely different markets. I agree that for the former, getting the full program would be a better choice. Being able to add plugins or packs to Debut would be great - that's the way Vue markets their free and entry level products. Of course, that would be a bit like a certain other 3D figure program :-)
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SteveJax posted Wed, 09 February 2011 at 8:32 PM
I would definitely see this as geared towards being an "Educational" or "Beginners" product. I could see schools forking out multiple licenses of this for students to learn on where they'd balk at multiple licenses of the full program.
I still say that just the fact that they're going back to pushing it in Real World physical box stores is a good thing for the market. It will definitely increase market awareness of the program. That's a good thing ain't it?
It's certainly not geared towards me as an experienced user but I can reccommend the Debut program to people who want to dip their feet into Poser and not DAZ Studio. It will also get beginners back into Poser's interface first and not expect them to learn DS's interface before jumping to Poser. It just makes good sense to me.
saibabameuk posted Wed, 09 February 2011 at 8:59 PM
Quote - Isn't Nichtentsteigen "The City of No"?
Good morning Steve
The secretary has booked you in for your usual appointment , how are you.
I am a bitz vurried about your address on the appointments card , you seem to have forgotten that you put Nichtentsteigen as your home address?
Gooten Moorgen
mrsparky posted Wed, 09 February 2011 at 9:06 PM
Question for EF starlet - will the Debut version include content from P8 or other versions ? Either way it's nice to see that you've released an affordable 'base' version as that will bring some new people into something we all enjoy.
3doutlaw posted Wed, 09 February 2011 at 9:22 PM
Argh, stonewalled again... ;-)
"Unfortunately, at this time the technical details of Poser Debut have not yet been released. From what I understand it is based on the Poser 8 user interface, but I do not have further information regarding the content location or organization."
SteveJax posted Wed, 09 February 2011 at 9:36 PM
Quote - > Quote - Isn't Nichtentsteigen "The City of No"?
Good morning Steve
The secretary has booked you in for your usual appointment , how are you.
I am a bitz vurried about your address on the appointments card , you seem to have forgotten that you put Nichtentsteigen as your home address?
Gooten Moorgen
Nein! Das ist nicht meine Adresse. Es gehört zum Klebnor.
efstarlet posted Wed, 09 February 2011 at 9:42 PM
Quote - Question for EF starlet - will the Debut version include content from P8 or other versions ? Either way it's nice to see that you've released an affordable 'base' version as that will bring some new people into something we all enjoy.
The Debut version contains a lot of the content, but doesn't contain all of from what I remember. When I'm back in the office tomorrow, I'll see about getting the final list together - I know there are a ton of the figures (From many of the legacy ones like P6 Jessi and James to the P8 figures.)
efstarlet posted Wed, 09 February 2011 at 9:46 PM
Quote - Argh, stonewalled again... ;-)
"Unfortunately, at this time the technical details of Poser Debut have not yet been released. From what I understand it is based on the Poser 8 user interface, but I do not have further information regarding the content location or organization."
There is a second table that will come out at launch, but I'll see if we can get added to the landing page tomorrow, that shows the limitations of certain content and what those limitations are. (Like can/can't be opened, edited, rendered, etc.)
If you are on any version of Poser already, going to Poser 8 or Poser Pro 2010 is going to be your best bet - Debut really is a step down. Your Poser 7 content and scenes will open, Debut reads Poser files, but there is some "advanced content" that has some advanced materials or things like dynamics that will not be able to be edited, or etc within Debut. The second table will cover those limitations. I'll ping the web team tomorrow, but it will definitely be available for launch on Monday.
SteveJax posted Wed, 09 February 2011 at 10:39 PM
Ok, guess a thread addressing the subject was too much to hope for. So, Question for efStarlet. Will SM be releasing the XMP MetaData editor in any way shape or form so that folks can add MetaData to existing content? I've searched the web for XMP editors and all the ones I found were only for editing image metadata.
bagginsbill posted Wed, 09 February 2011 at 10:51 PM
Quote - Ok, guess a thread addressing the subject was too much to hope for. So, Question for efStarlet. Will SM be releasing the XMP MetaData editor in any way shape or form so that folks can add MetaData to existing content? I've searched the web for XMP editors and all the ones I found were only for editing image metadata.
Yes. And it has nothing to do with Debut.
Renderosity forum reply notifications are wonky. If I read a follow-up in a thread, but I don't myself reply, then notifications no longer happen AT ALL on that thread. So if I seem to be ignoring a question, that's why. (Updated September 23, 2019)
SteveJax posted Thu, 10 February 2011 at 12:27 AM
Quote - > Quote - Ok, guess a thread addressing the subject was too much to hope for. So, Question for efStarlet. Will SM be releasing the XMP MetaData editor in any way shape or form so that folks can add MetaData to existing content? I've searched the web for XMP editors and all the ones I found were only for editing image metadata.
Yes. And it has nothing to do with Debut.
Yes and I DID make a thread addressed to EFStarlet which got no response so I put my question here instead and I got a PM response from scooper. Thanks!
Miss Nancy posted Thu, 10 February 2011 at 12:35 AM
efstarlet, as mentioned previously, they will change yer username to SMStarlet if desired, altho of course there are certain connotations to the acronym "SM" other than smith micro. ask at "the other site" if further info needed. and thx to bill fr additional info re: P9. wasn't expecting this until apr 01.
arcebus posted Thu, 10 February 2011 at 5:01 AM
Make that handle "SmiMiStar!"
Klebnor posted Thu, 10 February 2011 at 6:56 AM
It's Nichteinsteigen, not Nichtentsteigen.
Nichtentsteigen would mean "do not mount the duck". I never mentioned anything about mounting ducks, on the wall or anywhere else.
auf wienerschnitzel.
Klebnor
Lotus 123 ~ S-Render ~ OS/2 WARP ~ IBM 8088 / 4.77 Mhz ~ Hercules Ultima graphics, Hitachi 10 MB HDD, 64K RAM, 12 in diagonal CRT Monitor (16 colors / 60 Hz refresh rate), 240 Watt PS, Dual 1.44 MB Floppies, 2 button mouse input device. Beige horizontal case. I don't display my unit.
SteveJax posted Thu, 10 February 2011 at 7:51 AM
* It's Nichteinsteigen, not Nichtentsteigen.*
* Nichtentsteigen would mean "do not mount the duck". I
never** mentioned anything about mounting ducks, on the
wall or anywhere else.*
* auf wienerschnitzel.*
* Klebnor*
You never mentioned anything actually. I just misspelled your location from beneath your avatar. :ohmy:
saibabameuk posted Thu, 10 February 2011 at 9:17 AM
Auf vederzen.
As for you for you SteveJax
I am sending the car!
imagination304 posted Thu, 10 February 2011 at 9:37 AM
Poser Debut looks like free version DAZ Studio.
If you want more functions, you need to upgrade it.
efstarlet posted Thu, 10 February 2011 at 10:40 AM
I had 'Starlet' for a while when we were at CL, but something got messed up along the way and I got a new name. It doesn't really matter to me what the username is, as long as you all know who I am. ;-)
Steve Cooper, the product manager, is going to put together a blog post about Debut with a lot more detail, and put that up today or tomorrow and I think that will cover any lingering questions and any other technical questions about Poser should be directed to tech support or more knowledgable technical parties. :)
I've got a launch to prepare for...so I'll be ducking away now to get everything lined up for Monday!
jdcooke posted Thu, 10 February 2011 at 12:34 PM
Thanks for the info Starlet. I'm glad to hear that SM is still enthusiastic about Poser 'cause that means good news for all of us who love and have fun using it.
take care
efstarlet posted Thu, 10 February 2011 at 6:26 PM
Attached Link: A Primer on Poser Debut
Here's some answers to questions y'all have been looking for:http://blog.smithmicro.com/2011/02/10/poser-3d/the-primer-on-poser-debut/
geep posted Thu, 10 February 2011 at 6:32 PM
Excellent !!! 
........ Thanks Starlet. 
Are we still "on" for the 14th? :blink: ... Ah hope, ah hope, ah hope ... ?
Remember ... "With Poser, all things are possible, and poseable!"
cheers,
dr geep ... :o]
edited 10/5/2019
efstarlet posted Thu, 10 February 2011 at 6:32 PM
We are so locked and loaded - we may even be "on" for east coast time for this one!!
geep posted Thu, 10 February 2011 at 6:41 PM
FUNtastic !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks. :biggrin: ... My Paypal account is primed and ready to go !
Remember ... "With Poser, all things are possible, and poseable!"
cheers,
dr geep ... :o]
edited 10/5/2019
seachnasaigh posted Thu, 10 February 2011 at 6:41 PM
(philebus)
Quote - You won't stumble upon Studio in Amazon, but you might Poser.
That's exactly how I discovered Poser. I was searching Amazon for something, and a promo for Poser 6 caught my eye. I didn't know you could do 3D CGI on a home computer. And so I'm here.
I don't think the forum regulars would buy Poser Debut for themselves, but they may well buy it for their kids (or parents), or recommend it to their friends who are new to 3D.
Poser 12, in feet.
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SteveJax posted Thu, 10 February 2011 at 9:44 PM
* Mench Mench vas ist! r ve all not vun happy family in Vopertal.*
* Auf vederzen.*
* As for you for you SteveJax *
* I am sending the car!*
You can send the whole fleet but they won't find me. :sneaky: Harry Potter isn't the only one with an invisibility cloak. Bwahaha......(That's Maniacal Laughter for you).... :lol:
saibabameuk posted Fri, 11 February 2011 at 2:34 AM
Steve
Ah szo my little friend ,already you are feeling as szo people are looking for you?
Relax
However keep taking the Pills and Vun other thing if you see flashing lights make another appointment.
efstarlet posted Mon, 14 February 2011 at 12:32 PM
Attached Link: Poser Debut
> Quote - FUNtastic !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Thanks. :biggrin: ... My Paypal account is primed and ready to go !
Poser Debut is now available, and the Poser microsite has been brushed up a bit. :)
http://poser.smithmicro.com
FightingWolf posted Mon, 14 February 2011 at 1:29 PM
This sounds similar to the free version of Daz Studio but if Poser Debut can't compete on that same level as the free version of Daz Studio then I'm not sure anyone is going to be interested in buying something that does less than the free version of Daz Studio.
Just based on the Poser workshops that I teach, it seems as if Poser Debut has been reduced to the bare minimums that's actually required to render decent art. Poser itself is powerful enough to create good renders (in my opinion) with using the basics. The majority of the art in my gallery rarely goes beyond the basics (meaning no material changes or advanced lighting). Many beginners and intermediates are confused by the intermediate and advance features of Poser so maybe Smith Micro is working on a Beginner's Version of Poser?
Either way, if it falls behind the free version of Daz Studio then I don't think it will do to well. Not unless it has some really good beginner automated features.
philebus posted Mon, 14 February 2011 at 1:45 PM
Quote - This sounds similar to the free version of Daz Studio but if Poser Debut can't compete on that same level as the free version of Daz Studio then I'm not sure anyone is going to be interested in buying something that does less than the free version of Daz Studio.
Just based on the Poser workshops that I teach, it seems as if Poser Debut has been reduced to the bare minimums that's actually required to render decent art. Poser itself is powerful enough to create good renders (in my opinion) with using the basics. The majority of the art in my gallery rarely goes beyond the basics (meaning no material changes or advanced lighting). Many beginners and intermediates are confused by the intermediate and advance features of Poser so maybe Smith Micro is working on a Beginner's Version of Poser?
Either way, if it falls behind the free version of Daz Studio then I don't think it will do to well. Not unless it has some really good beginner automated features.
The first point is that being a physical edition with a price tag means that Poser Debut can reach parts that free DAZ Studio cannot - the shops! Be they high street, or Amazon. That alone takes the software to a costomer base that might otherwise never see or hear of either Poser or Studio.
You are right that they have stripped it to the basics, less a couple of basic features like displacement. But it is enough for people to get results from. The idea of course, is to provide an upgrade path to Poser 8 for those who want to take it more seriously.
So, in short, this just isn't intended to be a competitor to DAZ Studio, it is intended to introduce new customers to the software that DAZ isn't reaching. Also, if they get themselves started with Poser's interface, there's a chance they'll want to stick with it even after discovering Studio. A lot of us, though not all, who started with one interface find the other less intuitive.
FightingWolf posted Mon, 14 February 2011 at 3:18 PM
I hope it works out for them and being able to upgrade for a lower price is definitely a plus so I hope they are really letting people know about that benefit as well. I currently purchase lower versions of adobe products with the goal of being able to upgrade to the product that I really want without having to hand over $600 just to get it. So I can see where that would be of a big benefit for anyone that wants Poser but can't afford the full price of it.
Hopefully they have some artists creating sample artwork using the content that comes with Poser Debut. There's nothing quite as disappointing as seeing V4 rendered with Poser and then expecting that the Poser content will be like that only to find out that Simon couldn't change pants. LOL.
But whatever their marketing plan is I hope it works. I've always been a fan of Poser.
maclean posted Mon, 14 February 2011 at 5:21 PM
Right, Philebus. Exactly!
I think this is a good move by SM. Kids may download free software, but if they're given a packaged software for a birthday, they'll probably spend a lot more time with it. DS does fill a certain niche, but not the brick & mortar one. Also, schools may be more inclined to purchase this for Art classes, given the large amount of content provided.
I've used Poser for over 12 years, and moved over to DS for most things a long time ago. But I strongly support both DAZ and SM, and any moves they make to increase the market are welcome. I don't see this as a 'either DS or Poser' game. You can happily use both, and many people do.
mac
Netherworks posted Mon, 14 February 2011 at 5:36 PM
I agree with Philebus also. If Poser Debut were provided as a framework and the missing features could be purchased as "plugins" then it would be a DAZ Studio approach. I think it could be a great introductory tool and certainly targeted to those very unfamiliar with what all of us do on a daily basis.
I'd love to see a modular approach though and it's certainly possible with python (and to a greater extent wxpython for integration) only because these entry users are going to miss out on a lot of toys that are available from developers all around the Poserverse. I think a lot of people would, in fact, warm up to a design that you only buy what you feel that you need, such as the hierarchy editor, animation capability, talk designer, dynamic cloth and so on. I would also keep the application "lightweight" to some degree. I think that you're just hearing some dissapointment because this hasn't been a road traveled yet.
Thanks for sharing more information on Debut though, it should be a good learning tool. :)
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ssgbryan posted Mon, 14 February 2011 at 9:48 PM
I swear, some people would bitch if they were hung with new rope.
Do I need it? No, I have 2010. But now I have something to throw on my Windows box.
Obviously, this product wasn't designed for us, it appears to be designed for folks that are looking at 3d, but put off by the price tag for most of the tools.
"Try it, the first hit is only 29.99." Quite frankly, outside of some of the cheapskates around here, this becomes an impulse purchase. And we all know how impulse purchases work in the Poserverse.
From what I can tell, this is what I was looking for in Dec '05. I would have probably been less frustrated with this than I was w/Poser 5.
Downloading now.
starlitemoon posted Mon, 14 February 2011 at 10:40 PM
Well fellow creators, I purchased Poser Debut today, installed it and all the content, when I started the program my library won't show up. All I get is a white blank area where my content should be. I tried reinstalling it and no luck. I've been using Poser 5 so I thought this would be a good purchase for me also because of the movie making portion of the program, but if I can't access this library I'll be asking for my money back. Anyone have any ideas how I can get the library on screen. Thank you :)
ytetsu posted Mon, 14 February 2011 at 11:16 PM
I've purchased today.
And after payment was made with PayPal ($29.99 plus shipping cost), SM sent me a mail.
"Out of Stock"
I can't understand why they sell with no stock without notice.
FightingWolf posted Tue, 15 February 2011 at 12:13 AM
hmmm.. this sounds like a Peter Griffen moment (Family Guy) now what phrase would fit the non-working library and the out of stock purchase.
Starlitemoon, could have upgraded from Poser 5 to a higher version of Poser like 7 or 8?
ytetsu.. normally the way that online shops work is that it won't let the transaction go through if it's out of stock. Hopefully the message of being out of Stock is wrong and that they actually have some in stock.
ratscloset posted Tue, 15 February 2011 at 3:05 PM
Quote - Well fellow creators, I purchased Poser Debut today, installed it and all the content, when I started the program my library won't show up. All I get is a white blank area where my content should be. I tried reinstalling it and no luck. I've been using Poser 5 so I thought this would be a good purchase for me also because of the movie making portion of the program, but if I can't access this library I'll be asking for my money back. Anyone have any ideas how I can get the library on screen. Thank you :)
This normally is a permission issue or Security Setting. There is a KB Article at Support.SmithMicro.com (search for Blank Library) that has several tests...
If you still have an issue, contact Support. Put Attn: John in the Subject so it comes to me.
ratscloset
aka John
WandW posted Tue, 15 February 2011 at 3:25 PM
Quote - I've purchased today.
And after payment was made with PayPal ($29.99 plus shipping cost), SM sent me a mail.
"Out of Stock"
I can't understand why they sell with no stock without notice.
It says on the product page that the physical packages won't be shipping until 24 February...
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starlitemoon posted Tue, 15 February 2011 at 6:33 PM
Good day fellow creators. Well I managed to get Poser Debut installed and running on another computer. I still need to get it running on the computer that I do most of my work on, but one step at a time. At least we know it's not the software that is at fault.
Personally, I don't know much about the other Poser versions, but comparing to Poser 5 to Debut, if you already have Poser 8, I wouldn't even bother with Debut. Debut seems to be more for the beginner. It seems to me Debut is more like bare bones Poser meets MovieStorm, which is fine with me because I basically wanted it for movies anyway.
I think people who already own Poser 8 may be very disappointed with Debut. Sorry this is just one person's opinion and I'm not that experienced with Poser to begin with. I guess it depends on one's own choice. Sorry I can't be more help :)
efstarlet posted Tue, 15 February 2011 at 6:36 PM
Attached Link: The Primer on Poser Debut
> Quote - Good day fellow creators. Well I managed to get Poser Debut installed and running on another computer. I still need to get it running on the computer that I do most of my work on, but one step at a time. At least we know it's not the software that is at fault. > > Personally, I don't know much about the other Poser versions, but comparing to Poser 5 to Debut, if you already have Poser 8, I wouldn't even bother with Debut. Debut seems to be more for the beginner. It seems to me Debut is more like bare bones Poser meets MovieStorm, which is fine with me because I basically wanted it for movies anyway. > > I think people who already own Poser 8 may be very disappointed with Debut. Sorry this is just one person's opinion and I'm not that experienced with Poser to begin with. I guess it depends on one's own choice. Sorry I can't be more help :)Hi there - Poser Debut is not intended for customers who already own Poser 8 or Poser Pro 2010. (In fact, if you own any version of Poser, we recommend you upgrade to those versions.) This version is intended for those brand new to the concept of creating in 3d. This was addressed by Steve Cooper in the Poser blog here: http://blog.smithmicro.com/2011/02/10/poser-3d/the-primer-on-poser-debut/.
starlitemoon posted Thu, 17 February 2011 at 4:15 PM
Well folks after a painstaking day of trying to get Debut to work on my system. I finally got together all my info and once again wrote to the support department. I must say I'm very happy with the friendly and helpful way they handled my problem. They were very patient and pleasant to talk to.
Ok, they told me that Poser Debut although compatible with XP is not compatible with Server 2002 which is the version I am running. I can't afford to buy a new computer or Windows at the moment so I will hang on to Debut till I am able to afford one or the other. They offered me a refund but I said no.
And it is not a total loss, like I said I was able to get it to work on another computer in the house so I was able to look at it and from what I've seen I'm happy with the purchase. Due to health conditions I am only able to use that computer a few minutes at a time, and a couple of minutes here and there isn't worth it to me
Ok, my opinion. It is a good program for someone who can't afford to upgrade from 5 or buy Poser 8 and who is a beginner and want to dabble in poser. If you already own Poser 8 or Pro then don't waste your money. Poser 8 I'm sure does a lot more than Debut does. So there you go folks
Ruby_Rose posted Fri, 18 February 2011 at 3:07 PM
Hi,
I am very new to 3D and posers and I am thrilled to find an affordable product that will get me past the fear of trying to learn through forums. Please don't ge me wrong forums are great! I am here LOL so it has to good.
I downloaded Poser Debut a couple days ago. I just uploaded it and haven't even looked at it yet. I wanted to see what you all had to say first. I believe this will a wonderful learning journey and it costs less than even going to Paid Tutorial Sites where you have to classes and purchase the whole class. they can start at $49.
I am also new to Adobe Photoshop and I got the CS5 Extended and it has 3D features in there but I have no clue how to use it.
Without even looking I can expect to learn more than what I know now and knowledge is priceless.
I hope to be active here.
Hugs,
Ruby Rose
geep posted Fri, 18 February 2011 at 3:55 PM
Welcome Ruby. Have fun and learn. Don't be afraid to ask any question you might have.
cheers,
dr geep
;=]
Remember ... "With Poser, all things are possible, and poseable!"
cheers,
dr geep ... :o]
edited 10/5/2019
norm1153 posted Sun, 20 February 2011 at 1:20 AM
What are Debut's save/export capabilities? Can it save to pz3? And/or obj, 3ds, etc.?
Thanks in advance for any replies!