It sooo good they're back:-))

 

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I hate to be negative, but for how long this time? Its kind of like Alice never being released again, at least not until we need a boost in sales.

I love their work but wont be supporting them this time around.

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Sorry...left my blind adoration in my other pants ;).

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adoration? sorry.. gave at the office....

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heck, I'm still wondering what happened to Aweful Soul...;) That being said, I have a runtime full 'o their stuff....

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I for one am happy to see them back.

I hope they release that hair set... looks pretty good.

I'm meh on the outfit as a whole.  It's well done as always, but not particularly to my tastes.  Still, I'm glad that they keep making things as they probably are the best in terms of abilities; As Shenam or whichever one does the textures is great. 

Dunno why renderosity lost them, but I can guess.

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Meh, never really got into their stuff.  Couple sets were interesting but always struck me as a little overpriced and lacking in morphs if you aren't an Alice-groupie

Always thought Alice was a bug eyed zombie...

That should be a healthy boost for rDNAs income and traffic. :) Too bad they packed up and left here.

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Yes, I just noticed the name change at RDNA. Sharen

I've always highly respected their work. Its unique. They have some of the best promos anywhere.
The changing, leaving, pulling products to reappear, etc etc gets real old.

It diminishes some of that respect.

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SOOOOOOOOOOOOO GLAAAAAAAAAAAAD they are back :D

Have to agree... while I've always supported them in the past this last spate of disappearing with hints, teases and lack of information (they clearly stated on their forum that they would notify customers and give plenty of warning if they decided to pull their V4 products) has been fairly annoying and seems very unprofessional. I can see now why people had been getting irritated with Aery Soul's strange sales decisions in the past.

I'm not crazy about the new outfit, although I'm sure it's well made and everything. The last few of their sets for V4 seemed to often be reworking of ideas already done for their V3 sets and never really anything new and different.

 

Btw - isn't the hair in that promo Golden Drops that used to be on sale here?

you know I got somewhat chastised in another thread when i wanted to know why they left and pulled their products from here, etc ....

now they reappear ... isn't anyone curious what goes on in the minds of these folks?

Is it marketing gamemanship  ... an attempt at creating the need to see them back when everyone is sad they left. that all gets pretty damn old too.

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Quote - Is it marketing gamemanship  ... an attempt at creating the need to see them back when everyone is sad they left. that all gets pretty damn old too.

Yes. Yes it does.

Laurie

Yawn. Never really been interested in their clothing, though I have most of their

hair models, as well as Alice 4. I really don't understand the disappearing and coming

back with a different name, which they've done several times over the years. They have

pretty much alienated their regular customers, but the fanclub will always buy, so I

guess it works out.

 

Eric

 

Dunno about their 'history' or whatever but frankly that is a pretty crappy outfit. Badly draped, the folds make no sense and it all looks like something a ZBrush newbie would make with the extract tool in 5 mins. If this is an example of their stuff, perhaps they should have taken a longer break.

Wow! Lovin' all the hate in this thread. I'm no fan of AS and think this thread is against the no advertisments portion of the TOS, but I don't see any need to hate on the vendor in question.

ok. please. don't use the word "hate" like that. no one here "hates" anything. there's opinions of dislike, of apathy, but no "hate" other than the hate of the misusing of the word "hate"

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BOOM !!!!!

me likes AS. me no like AS. me no care either way AS.

And that outfit for a return to glory just doesn't get me there.
But they're back

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Hmm...I'll remember that sarcasm = hate next time ;). Actually the fact that they're back is more of a yawn than anything even approaching hate...lol.

Laurie

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The problem is, these days, unless your reaction is fawning adoration, it's hate.

This is merely people who have been in 3d a loooong time, and have seen AS do

this, what, four times so far, that I know of. It gets rather tiring, and has actually

reached the level of boring. I have Scorpio Rising, the only outfit of theirs that I

actually liked, as well as their hair models and Alice. Everything is high quality.

But I yawned when I saw they were back. They certainly weren't gone for long,

yet some act like they've been gone for years. They're good, but not THAT good.

 

:)

Eric

 

The difference between boring and hate is boring goes by without the snarky remarks. Is it a big hate? No, but the snark is totally unneccesary, no matter how long we've been around. That's all. As I've so often been told in these forums by the staff, if you don't like something you really don't have to comment on it.

unless the rules are being broken - which they are not - ppl are free to say what they wish.

you do not have to read or answer if you don't like the opinions aired. we are free, just as you are, to say what we want within the TOS.

there are plenty of other threads and you are free to make your own, but we can have 1 thread where we are free to voice our dislikes or apathy, like it or not.

 

as you say "if you don't like something you really don't have to comment on it."

you don't like this thread....so...?

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Oh yes, Let's all stretch out and strain against the TOS with as much force as we possibly can. Let us bash and gnash at the borders as long as we don't break it. You don't want me to use the word hate for your behaviour and yet you have no problem telling me how I should behave. All I'm trying to say is do we really REALLY have to disrespect each other constantly around here? Is there something inherently wrong in just letting people enjoy something that we perhaps do not?

and whats the problem in saying if we don't?

and we are no where near pushing the TOS at all. I suggest you read it?

look, we disagree, and frankly, I can't be bothered arguing about it.  goodbye.

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Hey I'd forgotten Scorpio Rising - must dig that out and render it again some time.

Seems to me that there was more detail and versatility in some of the V3 stuff than the later V4 stuff... short on ideas maybe?

As a marketing ploy you'd think the disappearing, reappearing, teasing the customers should be a disaster.... but it seems to work for them.... :blink:

Quote - and whats the problem in saying if we don't?

Well it's not so much a problem as it's just dampening the spirit of the thread for those who enjoy AS's products. Pooping on their parade so to speak. It's just not neccesary but of course, do as you like. I just thought it would be nicer if people left well enough alone. Peace out.

Quote - > Quote - and whats the problem in saying if we don't?

Well it's not so much a problem as it's just dampening the spirit of the thread for those who enjoy AS's products. Pooping on their parade so to speak. It's just not neccesary but of course, do as you like. I just thought it would be nicer if people left well enough alone. Peace out.

 

Thats what bothers me about the whole thing. AS have made leaving and coming back into an annual parade. Been to a couple already and I'm sitting this one out. 

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Alright.. lets stop the fighting.

Everyone has the right to their own thoughts on products.

Also, lets not make this a "bash the vendor" thread...............

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I'm not overly enthused by that outfit. The wings look okay, but alas...

How long until the next disappearing act?

I bought Alice 4, the "definitive, last ever, Alice", but I have to wonder...

(And I agree on the bug eyed thing. I never liked her eyes. She has good body shapes though)

Silke

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Quote - Alright.. lets stop the fighting.

Everyone has the right to their own thoughts on products.

Also, lets not make this a "bash the vendor" thread...............

aren't we all like a bunch of little kids?

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Quote - Alright.. lets stop the fighting.

Everyone has the right to their own thoughts on products.

Also, lets not make this a "bash the vendor" thread...............

Yeah I don't think most of what I saw was about the product so much as the vendor...

I have many of their products, love them, so I'm glad they are back. I've been around for quite a few years two, and what I do is not taking anything too personal, they left, fine, they are back, fine. I'll just buy If I see something I like, and I feel like it.

Quote - (And I agree on the bug eyed thing. I never liked her eyes. She has good body shapes though)

Yeah - I like the Alice body too. For V4 characters I always use Alice body and V4 head. One thing I really don't like is the Alice fairy texture though... looks like she has a bad case of the sniffles!

Yaara was always my fave AS character.

Not keen on the body shapes for Alice any  more than I was with her head.  The bug-eyed thing, the fact to me she looked like an anorexic teenager.  I prefer realistic curves and realistic musculature especially for female characters.  Neither of which Alice has even the 'curvy' version isn't really curvy.  It is just less underfed looking than the others.

As to the new set, it just seems to be a grab at mass marketable content.  Another scatily clad fairy outfit.  The wings I will say look nice, but the body suit is rather bland and the booties remind me strongly of the ones from White Rose honestly.

Now if they would start doing some more cyberpunk influenced stuff like they had for V3, then I could probably work up some enthusiasm.  That and morphs in the clothing that allow me to fit it to figures that don't have bodies like 12 year old boys.

IMO alice's face looks best when you've set it between .4 and .6.

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post a render.  I have only ever seen her with the bug-eyed look and could never understand what all the hype was about.  show me what her face at 0.4 and 0.6 looks like please.

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I agree, it's the same with Kielo, I always used the morph half way, the body maybe at .7 or .8

Quote - IMO alice's face looks best when you've set it between .4 and .6.

Is that the dial setting or blood alcohol level? :lol:

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Quote - > Quote - IMO alice's face looks best when you've set it between .4 and .6.

Is that the dial setting or blood alcohol level? :lol:

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Hysterical...Heh Heh.

Good one.

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Quote - > Quote - IMO alice's face looks best when you've set it between .4 and .6.

Is that the dial setting or blood alcohol level? :lol:

Disclamier; I too own Alice...

 

Both.  :p

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I know there's been a lot said about Alice's body shape in the past....

But it depends on what you're used to and what you see as normal. To me Alice's body shape isn't weird because where I'm from and the people I know tend to be thinner and more angular than people in other places often are.
(In the same way M3 is actually closer to a normal male body shape for me than M4).

Still don't like her head though... maybe I should try those blood alcohol levels - I mean dial settings?

 

I can't understand the hostility directed against 'em.  If (for example) a major retail store closed down then came back under another name, would you get so hot under the collar?

FWIW, I like some of AS's stuff, not others.  Don't really care what they do with their time, name or where they sell.  If I like something and can afford it, I'll buy it.  The end.

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actually, I can't understand why we can't politely voice our concerns and critricism.

is all thats allowed now praise etc?

 

sorry. I will be honest and post honestly. if others think what I say is hostile,(while remaining within the TOS),  so be it. that's not my problem.

you'll get worse in the supermarket anyway.

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The problem is what's been voiced really HASN'T been polite Magnus, and I'm not pointing my finger at you, but if it's snarky it's not polite. What's wrong with wanting this place to be a little more friendly and a little less rude?

if you think this thread has been snarky and rude, I'm sorry, how do you survive in world away from your computer?

that question is not meant to be snarky but for real. this thread compared to visits to the supermarket or the gas station is the paragon of politeness. compared to where I grew up in london, it's practically upper class manners!

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it has been very ... civil

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You know members can have their differing opinions and it does not have to be said in a "specific" way, the only rule is it has to be within the TOS. People's personalities are different and things get stated the way of that particuliar persons personality..it's that simple. Some sugar coat, some do not, neither way is right or wrong and we should all keep that in mind.

 

 

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Hey Magnus, I'm not saying you can't voice your opinions about them; rather, I can't understand why you'd be bothered.

Example, I don't give a rat's ass if Tesco close down then reopen as Tasco or whatever.

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well.. how is someone supposed to know when things are wrong or not liked if no one tells them?

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Quote - well.. how is someone supposed to know when things are wrong or not liked if no one tells them?

Oh yeah, I completely agree with that.  What I'm talking about is the criticism they attracted for shutting up shop, reopening, shutting, then changing name and moving to RDNA.  

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Maybe it was all done for personal reasons?  They arent from the USA, they are in another country, not sure what the tax laws are over there.  I dont understand it, and it makes me wonder, but who am I to question their actions, when I dont know a thing about them really.  shrug

I do know that I really like the quality they put into the clothing, that there is not much like it out there.  That you CAN use it on v4 and not have to use it on Alice.  That is chalk full of morphs, movement, etc and I for one, am glad that they are back.  I try to remember that this is the internet, not every one wants to tell their life story or for people they dont know to know what ever issues they might be having on a personal level.  Just MHO.

Quote - > Quote - well.. how is someone supposed to know when things are wrong or not liked if no one tells them?

Oh yeah, I completely agree with that. What I'm talking about is the criticism they attracted for shutting up shop, reopening, shutting, then changing name and moving to RDNA.

 

Which was exactly what I was referring to as well. I don't have a problem with someone critiquing items that are out for sale. It was the vendor dismissal and near bashing I was commenting on.

The thread wasn't just about a product, it was about a vendor that is back somewhere else with a different name so the opinions would be just as much about the vendor as a specific product I would assume....It's giving an opinion regarding that vendor being back that was really the original topic based on the subject line so.....everyone has their opinions on the entire subject and as long as they don't cross the TOS then they can be expressed

Who was saying they couldn't be expressed? Not me. I was saying maybe some of them could have been expressed with a little more consideration. If there's something wrong with that then I'm on the wrong website.

Like I said people express things in their own "voice" so to speak. We can't tell people how to relay their opinion or the words to use to express them. As long as they don't break the TOS, then it's fine and so far that hasn't happened with any of the opinions expresses so there should be no issue at all.

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Quote - Like I said people express things in their own "voice" so to speak. We can't tell people how to relay their opinion or the words to use to express them. As long as they don't break the TOS, then it's fine and so far that hasn't happened with any of the opinions expresses so there should be no issue at all.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but You Can and You Do. Websites do it all the time when they have forums. The TOS is all about "Telling people how to relay their opinions". Moderators have been very vocal here at times telling people how to express themselves.

I think you've made your point ;)

Laurie

Well at least you got it. :tt2:

We enforce our TOS and will sometimes pop in if it's getting close to that line and ask everyone to be mindful..but I'm not telling anyone to "speak" a certain way to get their opinion out.

hey ...now that farmville post must cross the TOS ..you trying to stop me from growing my peas ????

do they have peas in farmville?

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More peas please...

 

 

True there might well be personal issues or something, but they are running this as a business and as a business it should be in their own interests not to confuse or irritate their customers.

all this talk and not one render with the reduced face morph.

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Alice at about 0.6 as I remember.

I'm personally grateful to the AS team, as they gave me Alice for nothing as a gift a few years back; I've managed to get some work published and to earn some revenue using mostly their stuff since then.  I think their products have largely been second to none in terms of quality and imagination.  Until the new thing - it looks to me like a poor pastiche of their earlier work.

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I'll have to look that word pastiche up, but I agree on what you say here, PAul :)

edited to add: A pastiche is a literary or other artistic genre that is a "hodge-podge" or an imitation.

and also agree with this ... the hodge podge part.

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Nice render but give that girl doughnut.

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Or a dozen, or send her to an all you can eat Vegas buffet...

wow, nice renders!  thanks! (still looks a little bug-eyed to me though)

I think the money you made from your renders was as much due to your artistic efforts as to their character.

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Example, I don't give a rat's ass if Tesco close down then reopen as Tasco or whatever.

That's of course true. Maybe someone decides to change the name because the old one does not longer fit into the product line (or as he became hectic when he first logged into a store as a lurking beginner and was asked "Your userame?" and typed "John12345").

Changing the name is not a problem, deciding to move to another store is not a problem, that's only a vendor using his freedom to sell what and where and as whomever he likes. As long as support is still given to the products now pulled I do not understand the disapointment. No vendor can guarantee that his products will be available forever, seeing a complete product line being pulled is something that many people know who saved money for a specific product and when they finally saved enough the desired product is replaced by a different model. Bad luck!

As said: If a vendor has to close the doors of his shop out of whatever reasons this is often sad as the 3d-scene looses some ideas and inspiration - and customers may loose support for what they've purchased. If the vendor re-appears under his old or a new name with new products the least thing I would expect is that a customer gets support again for what he has purchased - as long as we talk about bugfixes and likewise things - I would never expect that a vendor offers me a kind of lifetime-support for questions like "How can I achieve an effect like shown in the promo?"

I am not sure if support on the "old" products is still given as I did not find an error so far in what I have. Maybe someone of you knows more?*

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> Quote - Nice render but give that girl doughnut. 8 ) > > Tom

Anything skinny girls can do, big girls can do better......Alice has eaten all the doughnuts....!

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How cool! I can't tell which render I like better, the ladie have a too different attitude, dangerous, somehow scary the XS one, proud and strong the XL one. And in fact I don't care for skinny or full figure when it comes to 3d as in the end it's all polygons and fantasy and should not be taken too serious but as what it is: Art and fun (or as a former german king said - poor translation by me: Each should be able to get happy in his own style).

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Nice mages either way.

Have you checked out the armpit fix by Corvas?

Inexpensive and you will appreciate the effect.

nice images.. but...

if may offer a criticism?

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Quote - nice images.. but... if may offer a criticism?

Please, feel free; the second image was only a light-hearted "sketch".  As my wife is out of town on a business trip, and I'm a) off work this week and b) in possession of a 3 litre bottle of Co-Op cider and four cans of Guiness, I might not be able to make sense for too much longer.....!

Quote - @Paul Francis Nice mages either way.

Have you checked out the armpit fix by Corvas?

Inexpensive and you will appreciate the effect.

I've got the V3 version and use it all the time; must get around to getting the V4 one too - thanks for the reminder!

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the bent leg? you can't get the position you've got there without dislocating her hip and knee.  you can get close, but that, you can see where you twisted the thigh into the dislocation.

Airport security is a burden we must all shoulder. Do your part, and please grope yourself in advance.

Oh, ok, thanks for the tip.  It's a pretty extreme pose, which AerySoul released as a freebie on their site, and not one I'd care to try and replicate for real!

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FWIW - I like the second one better. :)

She's not skinny as a rake, and looks sexy and has tons of 'tude. That lady is proud of her body -- as she should be.
Most of all...

She looks like a WOMAN, not like a coat rack.

(Bent leg notwithstanding)

Silke

wow is me if that 2nd one ever got me in a leg lock.

i like the 1st facial...she is very exotic looking..nice legs..too skinny upper body. still like her though. imagine she's very ambidexterous and can body shape in all kinds of directions.

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Curves! Hallelujah!  Someone fed the poor waif!

The hip/thigh position is a bit past realism, but trust me, there are people who can torque their joints nearly that far however, so if the lady happens to be hyperflexible it isn't that far out of the possiblities of reality.  Actually, if the knee were brought forward a bit and the calf/foot adjusted to compensate it is entirely possible.  Bending the straight leg a touch at the  knee would help too.

The leg pose is very reminiscent of some is Indian and south east asian forms of dance.

You know, I might start posting all my work in the forums rather than the galleries - the level of constructive criticism and vigorous debate here seems much healthier....!

I can't take any credit for the AS  pose, all I did was adjust the hands to fit the sword.  I might go back and work some more on it, seems to me some blood rendered on the surface of the hand would look good.

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Hmmmm... not sure if the pose is sooo impossible. I agree about the right leg, it's a bit hard to balance this way (as more as she stands on her toe) - but what people often forget is that you can see poses as well as a snapshot of a person in movement. Nothing really tells us that she stands this way for hours, minutes or even seconds. If you see it as part of a movement it is pretty realistic. I've just tried this pose out and beside the fact that lifting myself tohe toes was uncomfortable I was able to achieve a likewise pose (but with a broomstick instead). Far more uncomfotable as the leg's postition was the back-bending of arms and shoulders. And yes, I have the problem of hypermobilty.

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....aaahhh!  But did you wear the costume? :)

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I was thinking more for a held pose such as you see in dance.  If it is taken as a part of a movement, yeah, it is doable.  Womens hips and pelvis' are designed to bend and warp in all sorts of interesting ways by nature, add some hypermobility and yay! it is amazing.

erm guys?

look at the thigh. I did say the pose is close.. but the thigh is facing the wrong way.

 

try it. you'll see what I mean.

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Quote - I was thinking more for a held pose such as you see in dance.  If it is taken as a part of a movement, yeah, it is doable.  Womens hips and pelvis' are designed to bend and warp in all sorts of interesting ways by nature, add some hypermobility and yay! it is amazing.

i was watching some porn one night and those movements, positoning,  and stuff were truly amazing.

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Upps... I wasn't aware that clothes where required to do this...

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The thigh should be a bit more upright, yes, but lets face it, it is still V4 and her joints we are talking about here.  I still dream of forearms and elbows that don't look just wrong when bent.  Her thighs are always an issue when you bend the legs, as are the knees.  Those foibles only become more pronounced with morphs that add any bulk to her.  I think that is part of why we see so many scarecrow Vickies.

 

Quote - Upps... I wasn't aware that clothes where required to do this...

Whoops.....removes Frazetta/Vallejo-style Classic Fantasy outfit before wife gets back from trip....:)

...falls over from bending leg the wrong way.....:)

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Quote - > Quote - Nice render but give that girl doughnut. 8 )

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I like the second image better myself but yeah, looks like she'd break a leg trying to bend it that way.

The little glitch on the hip can easily be fixed by some postwork. At least it's not a soft woman but a heap of polygons and the more artificial flesh you add to the body the better visible the creases will be. In fact you can even use the little crack to create a believable crease in your paint program...

 

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First thing I thought about that pose: Hey! I didn't know anyone else did that! Well, not on tiptoe, but it's actually quite comfortable while cooking and such. 

Quote - First thing I thought about that pose: Hey! I didn't know anyone else did that! Well, not on tiptoe, but it's actually quite comfortable while cooking and such. 

 

or playing the Flute ;)

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Somehow this reminds me on something... please help me out... Jethro Tull?! Oh my, I am sooo old - I remember them from times where discotheques used to play them (and Pink Floyd, Genesis, Led Zeppelin...) instead of sounds like "ootz-ootz-ootz".

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Quote - Somehow this reminds me on something... please help me out... Jethro Tull?! Oh my, I am sooo old - I remember them from times where discotheques used to play them (and Pink Floyd, Genesis, Led Zeppelin...) instead of sounds like "ootz-ootz-ootz

I was brought up in Germany, and can vouch for the fact that Jethro Tull were BIG in the early 70's...I can remember them being played at discos, along with Black Sabbath and Deep Purple.  Magnus hit the nail right on the head; the leg pose is strikingly similar to the one struck by their frontman Ian Anderson whilst playing his flute!  "Bouree" was a minor insrumental hit of theirs here in the UK in about, ooh...1970 or thereabouts, just before "Aqualung".  They helped to invent heavy metal and folk-rock simultaneously.

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Ah, mr. Anderson I presume. I saw some recent movies of him on Youtube. He lost his long hairs, but he still makes music and he is still as crazy as he used to be. Great guy.

Did they really play Jethro Tull in discotheques? I only remember the "ootz-ootz-ootz", perhaps that's why I don't like disco's.

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My brother and I had almost all the records of Jethro Tull, allthough I don't remember it was that popular in Holland. I stil can play the bass-line of Bouree, and my brother played the flute.

ah, those old days.

Bopper.

 

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“… imagine she's very ambidexterous and can body shape in all kinds of directions.”

Do you mean a “contortionist?”

I believe “Ambidextrous” means someone who is both left and right handed.

Anyway…I’m glad she made it to Duncan Doughnuts.

Those Crullers look good on her. 8 )

Saw Jethro Tull in Columbus Ohio on the "Songs Fron The Wood" Tour.

Fricken awesome...My favorite JT song is "To Cry You a song" from the "Benefit" Album.

WoW..That's Kickin it Old School.

No "ootz-ootz-ootz" on that one...

Funny stuff SaintFox

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she's that too :)

nothing better than an ambidexterous contortionist woman

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lol...yeah...she can whoop ass with both hands tied behind her back.

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Ok, totally OT

Don't even ask how long I looked for a copy of Broadsword and the Beast on CD. (It finallly came out, yay, and I grabbed it uh... years ago.) Looooooooooove that album.

And yes, Jethro Tull, Deep Purple and Black Sabbath were played. Along with a lot of others. Though I don't think in Discotheques (at least not in the 80's). We had proper rock clubs for that. :P

(I practically grew up at the Rockfabrik in Ludwigsburg (before the one in Augsburg ever existed) and worked there quite a while, too.)

 

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Quote - Somehow this reminds me on something... please help me out... Jethro Tull?! Oh my, I am sooo old - I remember them from times where discotheques used to play them (and Pink Floyd, Genesis, Led Zeppelin...) instead of sounds like "ootz-ootz-ootz".

 

Jethro Tull. Ian Anderson would hop about on one leg while playing flute.

and not in a disco, I hope

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I saw all the discussion about that pose and since I was just coming home from my bellydance class I couldn't help but try myself LOL

Yeah... I know, not nearly as pretty. Oh well. Please excuse the lack of tip-toedness, I'm not well-balanced enough. But as far as the leg go, I think close enough, would be better if I were a bit more flexible... I'd say anyone who can open their legs sideways in a 180º angle (like ballerinas practice to do) could do that pose exactly like that.

My version was just for kicks though LOL (and it would seem I need a longer sword too!)

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Well - I think "ootz-ootz-ootz" is late ninties, before we had the "boofda-boofda" area. And yes, discotheques played Black Sabbath, Uriah Heep, lots of "One of these days" by Pink Floyd (still works fine for me when I want to dance alone), the early Alan Pason as well, Rory Gallagher, J.J. Cale and such - and of course the Stones, I still can not imagine a good party without the Stones. Well - and then there came Abba (yep, they where indeed great), the Sweet, Slade, T-Rex, the whole glittery scene and everything changed. From now on we had two kind of discos: Colorful ones with these mirror balls and those painted in black that where great at night and awful in the early morning. We used to start our evenings in the colorful ones and end up in the black ones - the funny thing is: The second kind still exists with the same names in the same locations while the colorful ones became outlet stores, arcades with slot machines or, when we where lucky, with pool-tables...

 

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i've only been to one disco...quite a few times..they played donna summers, kc and the sunshine band, village people, gloria gayner, and all that other disco stuff.

Never heard any rock ... like sotnes, trex, black sabbath or any of that for sure.and definitly no jethro tull

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wait a minute ... what the disco to do with 'aeryseed ?

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yikes there aphrodite ... you do have it for sure...BUT ..now do it so we can see which way your thigh is actually twisted and stuff ... I'm thinking you have a fake knee or something like that .

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No way in hell I'm gonna take a photo of my legs with anything shorter than pants before I do some serious shaving here LOL

Joke aside, with bent knees I'm quite flexible. Make them straight and I can't even sit properly xD

 

My point is... V4 is a 3d model. Meaning she can be anything an artist wants, be that a dancer, a contortionist, a fantasy creature, an alien, list goes on~~ my guess is, if SOMEONE in the world can do it, 3d model is allowed to. It all depends on a person's view of "realism": does it mean it could be real or you think realism means easy to happen with anyone?

As for me, I'm with my boyfriend as far as digital art goes: it I want something exactly like real-life, no nice brush strokes in paintings, no fantasy-like features in 3d... I'd just shoot a photo. Heh.

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Quote - I saw all the discussion about that pose and since I was just coming home from my bellydance class I couldn't help but try myself LOL

Yeah... I know, not nearly as pretty. Oh well. Please excuse the lack of tip-toedness, I'm not well-balanced enough. But as far as the leg go, I think close enough, would be better if I were a bit more flexible... I'd say anyone who can open their legs sideways in a 180º angle (like ballerinas practice to do) could do that pose exactly like that.

My version was just for kicks though LOL (and it would seem I need a longer sword too!)

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(Some people here won't believe you're a real woman unless you're fat.)

Behold the power of the Forum! I lost my mojo, came on here, posted a pic to illustrate a point, modified it a bit and now I'm back in the game; all this and Jethro Tull, too.  Better than therapy!

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Quote - RUN AWAY before the others try to force feed you doughnuts!!! :lol:

 

Wait... if there will be doughnuts, why should I run away? Gimme!

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I'm thinking you're looking pretty darn good as is ... Afrodite
forego the donuts and stick with something more low cal.

 

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wait a minute ... what the disco to do with 'aeryseed ?

Hmmmm.... let's see.... I simply enjoyed to pick up the ball, throw it back and see how moods calm down while taking a trip down memory lane Works perfect in real life too. And now: Back to the original topic with a mild smile on the face :laugh:*

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Eeeeeeeep! Fat Alice is seriously scary! :scared:

 

The pose is easy enough to do for real but there's definitely something wrong with the way Alice's thigh is twisted - is the hip twisted forward and the thigh twisted back or something?

:::Pst:::

There is a "Thigh Helper" and a "Buttock" adjustment morph included with Alice, sometime the pose will require a bit of help to bring back some of the bulge and or smoothness to the area.

 

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I've never cared for Alice and if I saw someone like that in real life I'd be scared. The clothes I don't care for either, it's the hairs that they've sold which I love. I think the ones I have are L.A., Fable, and Golden Drops hair. Each one is amazing and I really hope they release that straight hair that was in one of the Alice promos months ago.

While I am not the big Alice fan as well I like to combine the morphs with others. What I highly doubt is that Alice is meant to look as any person from real life. I think she is pretty much like most clothes of the same brand: A creation for fantasy renders - or meant to be combined with realistic morphs/clothes to add this special extra.

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Alice looks like a dancer - except her thighs are way heavy. I know a lot of dancers of a similar shape - without the weird thighs! Some of us in Northern Europe don't carry a lot of extra weight y'know ;)

Was it this thread that someone asked about Golden Drops hair? It's now at RuntimeDNA under a different name. Fantasy Drops or something.

 Thanks all- I had some great laughs from reading this thread! I thought Aery Soul had some interesting products. I was going to add my own fake snarky comments-but have no real feelings about the here today-gone tomorrow aspects.

 

Great Renders Paul Francis! I am in the minority- as I think the first one looks best (not real-human looking-but as a fantasy image)

Alice looks fine as a fantasy creature- an almost-human, Elf maybe?

Afrodite! Great pose- you look great as is- no Donuts needed! :-)

I like Alice sometimes. But not as a human figure. She has no hips. To me, she looks kinda like a very successful sex re-assignment patient in that respect. Very nice, but not quite right. Sorta transsexual.

The less emaciated Alice (I would never call that "big" -- but maybe it's only in poserdom that we think normal looking females are huge) looks much better and more human.

Afrodite knows her own body. If she wants donuts, she should have them. Belly dancing is calorie intense. Can't dance for long on a diet of celery sticks.

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Bellydancing is great, it gives me a lot of flexibility and femininity (is that a word in english? eh, dunno). Yes it burns a lot of calories... No, that's not the reason why I'm thin, I'm just the daughter of my (skinny) father LOL

 

I think Alice is beautiful, but she's obviously not quite human. I don't think she was made to be. She's supposed to look like fantasy, not to be realistic. I think there's a point in that: if I wanted a render that looks exactly like a photo, I would go and take a photo. I like realistic renders because of the technique, and I like realism in renders in general, but for that case I like to inject at least a bit of fantasy (usually a lot).

 

As for them changing names, I thought it odd first, then I learned it's not the first time they do it, and I can't help but wonder why. As a graduated graphic designer, I have learned the importance of the strength of a brand, I can't even begin to understand why they would want to reset it when they're so famous and supposedly start anew. Plus I feel a bit bad that, when they left this time, they made a huge suspense in their forums and left us users worrying that they might be quitting poser because of problems or such. Oh well, if it works for them, then good for them, I guess.

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maybe they are like a lot of us. They change their minds, leave, come back, try something like reborn or born again under different name. A fresh start or something.
Maybe thye intende to leave but just love doing the Poser stuff that they come back. Maybe they are just weird...whatever.

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Maybe they just wanted to stir up the next big debate on Renderosity.