Daz says V5 will not work in Poser 8 or Poser pro or Daz Studio 3. Daz Studio 4 should be able to run it. Smith will need to do an upgrade to get V5 to work on Poser.

I hope this isn't the parting of ways between Daz and Smith.

If that's the case, guess it's a figure I WON'T be buying from DAZ ... I wonder if they know how badly they're going to cut their own throats?

Hugz from Phoenix, USA

Victoria

Remember, sometimes the dragon wins. Correction: MOST times.

I am tired of this perpetual upgrading of the DAZ3D figures.

I stick with Poser.

Eternal Hobbyist

 

The Poser talents really need to get their act together and come up with something comparable. I don't have much faith tho ;).

Laurie

what?

soon as V5 comes out, posers, Daz sudio 3, V2/3/4 and every other figure stop working...?

 

nope. so if v5 is that specific about whats needed to run it... risky. very risky.

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In a related story, ham will now only work with green eggs....chickens are shocked...;)

Why would they shoot themselves in the foot by denying the biggest market they've got?

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)

I hope the ability to use V5 is in the basic Daz Studio 4, as well as Daz Studio 4 Advanced. After a 30 day trial period, the Daz4 Advanced requires an additional $150.00. 

Daz isn't dumping Poser, it's saying Smith will have to make changes to its programs to use the V5 figure.

Quote - Daz isn't dumping Poser, it's saying Smith will have to make changes to its programs to use the V5 figure.

  Oh dear, and that tweak could also expose all other stuff to going wonky in Poser.  Tsk tsk tsk.

Eternal Hobbyist

 

I'm not a huge fan of DS 3 so I'll stick with my Poser and my V4/M4/A4 & K4 characters that I already have.

Frankly, this will hurt DAZ a lot more than it will hurt SM

Hugz from Phoenix, USA

Victoria

Remember, sometimes the dragon wins. Correction: MOST times.

Quote - I'm not a huge fan of DS 3 so I'll stick with my Poser and my V4/M4/A4 & K4 characters that I already have.

Frankly, this will hurt DAZ a lot more than it will hurt SM

May hurt both ;)

Laurie

I can see what prompts this move, but from what I understand, there is already some dialogue happening between the SM people and the DS people to ensure compatibility. I'm sure after they've done lunch, they have up with more clever ways of divesting us of those hard-earned shekels. :biggrin:

To be honest, if all I ever used was what I already have, a new item every day for the next twelve years... just kidding. But I do have a ridiculous amount of stuff, both bought and freebies. And with people starting to do body morphs that don't use the ++ dials, there's still a lot of life in the ol' girl (V4) yet.

I'm actually dusting off V3... some new shaders are going to make her eyes sparkle just a bit more convincingly.

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I've been thinking about doing the same thing, Robyn ... I always did love working with V3.

Hugz from Phoenix, USA

Victoria

Remember, sometimes the dragon wins. Correction: MOST times.

Old news. There has been a stickie at the DAZ common forum for quite awhile now. It's the what do you want to see in V5 thread. Or something to that effect.

Yes V5/the gen 5 figure will be DS4 only. In the first 10 pages of the thread you will find DAZ stating the fact and images of V5 morph and how the rigging looks and works. As in weight map rigging.

Daz also states that they are working with others to implement it into thier software. Rumours and a very small hint suggest that Poser will be one. The problem I see with this is Poser users will most likely need to buy another version of Poser. That or put up with DS4 to export the figure to use in the versions of Poser they have.

That's it. Get used to it. DAZ has gone with newer up to date tech and it's up to SM to follow or not. Since DAZ is going this route and are not going to worry over poser users.

I agree that SM should have put some real time into figures. Let's face it. Even the new Micky is still crap compared to DAZ figures. Better than what she was but I was very disappointed in her. Which is a real shame because DS users constantly use her and the P8 figures as an excuse as to why it's fair that the DAZ gen 5 figures will only work in DS4.

Quote - ...DS users constantly use her and the P8 figures as an excuse as to why it's fair that the DAZ gen 5 figures will only work in DS4.

Except for the small fact that the Daz business model absolutely depends on sales of content. While D|S may have it's own following, there are still more Poser than D|S users.

shrug

Laurie

I haven't seen the examples of the new rigging system, but I wonder how many people would be motivated to upgrade to a new program just for that feature. How many are going to find it that compelling? If they kicked in soft body dynamics as well maybe. OTOH, there have always been many complaints about the way the figures pose, spaghetti this and that, so if this solves the problem for you then it's time to pay the piper.

In reality I have enough stuff to last for years even if Daz disappeared tomorrow, so I'm not going to worry about it.

"Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H. L. Mencken

Are there now? Can you say for certain that it's not about a 50/50. Yes DAZ is a still mainly content site. But they can still sell you all that content that works in Poser and still push the new figures as well. I don't think DAZ went this way without checking the real facts.  I don't think any of us here know the real facts. Polls suggest Poser as the majority but I wonder how accurate they really are.

DAZ may be taking a bit of a risk. But if you want better bending and more versitile figures you will have to move on to the new tech. Actually it's not new but it is for these communities and thier software.

Hey, I'm not that thrilled about it as a Poser user but this is how it is going to be. You can except it or not. I bet it does not stop very many from still buying content for the figures they have from DAZ. I bet it will even get some to jump to DS just to use the new figures. So in reality, DAZ does not lose anything and has much to gain.

Quote - In reality I have enough stuff to last for years even if Daz disappeared tomorrow, so I'm not going to worry about it.

I have not spent much on content for a long time. I found that doing that has payed for my Modo and Vue infinity. And with Modo, I can model anything I see in the stores so I save even more money now. If DAZ or Poser went of the way of the Dodo, it would not have an effect on me. Except I would miss the forums that exist because of that software.

The images in the tread I mentioned shows the bending and it is a big improvement. So I do see many jumping ship. I won't jump ship but I will most likely add it to my tool box.

Quote - I have not spent much on content for a long time....

What? No shopping? Where's the fun in that? :biggrin:

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Looks like I won't be bothering with V5 then..

I only use Poser for scene set up and figure creation before importing into Vue, if she won't work work in Poser, it's unlikely she'll import into Vue very well either.

Personally I think this will be a bad business move for DAZ, they will be cutting off a huge client base.

Anyway, I've got enough stuff over the years to last my tired old body out....LOL

Injustice will be avenged.
Cofiwch Dryweryn.

Quote - > Quote - I have not spent much on content for a long time....

What? No shopping? Where's the fun in that? :biggrin:

It's all in the modeling baby! All in the modeling.

A couple of months ago a chicken flew the "Coop" er ah and after I gave some feed back on  the meta data creation tool they were testing for the library, he said he had to get back to the "Nines"

I never did figure out what he meant by that :b_tonguewink:

Gary

"Those who lose themselves in a passion lose less than those who lose their passion"

It has already been heavily hinted at elsewhere that Poser 9 will have weight mapping - and not just at DAZ. So, given that I upgrade Poser on day of release I'm really not worried about that.

The risk for DAZ is if they release before a new version of Poser and lose a lot of early sales - they may get them back later but the initial sales could be poor. The other problem for them is that a whole lot of users will be ballancing new rigging features against what they can do with the 4th generation figures and all the stuff they have bought for them.

Personally, as much as I like the idea of weight mapping, I can't even begin to consider buying all the same sort of stuff again just so that I can do the same things I do now but a little better. I have a solid collection of textures, I have a good collection of interesting morphs, I have an excellent collection of hair models, I have more clothes that I actually use. The cost/benefit ratio just isn't right for me. In fact, most of my spending now is on props and places and the new rigging doesn't matter one jot for them.

And who knows - perhaps, if SM really have gone with a new rigging system, they might find they are better at implimenting than they have been with the old and provide us with some nice new figures with the software. It could happen. Possibly. Maybe.

The point is, a new generation of DAZ figures isn't taking down the Poserverse just yet, so let's not worry.

Heavily hinted? The only hint I know of was the very little and brief one that BagginssBill posted here in a bygone thread.

It will be a few moons before this all happens anyways.

Eventually, almost everyone here will be complaining about V6 when it's announced that it won't work with apps that have worked fine with V5.

I'm still at Poser 6 and V3.  No DAZ Studio.  Never touched V4.

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I've always upgraded the Vicky's because they are usually fun to work with and easy to use.  My Poser Pro 2010 runs very stable.  The last version of Daz Studio I used crashed like a ^$@!!. Guess I will go buy some more V4 stuff.

Quote - > Quote - ...DS users constantly use her and the P8 figures as an excuse as to why it's fair that the DAZ gen 5 figures will only work in DS4.

Except for the small fact that the Daz business model absolutely depends on sales of content. While D|S may have it's own following, there are still more Poser than D|S users.

shrug

Laurie

 

Correct Laurie as I have interjected into the thread going over at Daz about this issue it would be a very serious business blunder if Daz were to cut out poser users all together. The ratio of poser users vs. D/S users is much greater and cutting poser users out would cripple Daz sales on a very large scale to the point of hurting the company. It would be foolish for Daz to make the new Gen. 5 figures only usable in their own app. The same goes for SM they cannot afford to not move forward and accommodate the new Gen. 5 figures in a new version of poser because that is what it will take a new version of poser. SM would loose a huge chunk of change in poser sales since it appears they can't create a usable and likeable figure of their own. Right now I don't see any reason to be concerned about V5 and poser unless both Daz and SM have lost all sense of reality.

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From all the saying I feel like the whole Poser - D/S evolution depends on just one strong product's name, Victoria!

We are not talking about the new D/S rigging system we are talking about how our new doll will look like with it in poser...

So is the whole poser-D/S community turns around just Victoria, or is this product the chance for our software to evolve?

However is the figures quality what matters? because right now we already have a better than V4 figure, Antonia (like we had Apollo before M4) we are already a step forward on rigging and it works both on poser and D/S. So is the collectors addiction what moves everyone from one version to another? (only the name is the same, everytime we get a brand new figure)

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In the past, and now again, I see fear-mongers predicting dire consequences based on an assumption that SM-Poser staff are among the stupidest people on earth, who not only started stupid years ago, but have no ability to learn anything at all about marketing or technology. Such comments are not only distracting us from discussing important things, but I find them offensive.

I and a few dozen other lucky souls have just started playing with the next iteration of Poser and I'm absolutely not allowed to say anything about it because of NDA and they are really serious about this. So all I can tell you is this:

SM guys are very smart and I am impressed, not disappointed.

Talking about if/why Poser users should/would upgrade on the basis or assumption that only one new feature is offered is patently ridiculous.

I cannot stand to use Poser Pro 2010 anymore. It will not be launched by me again except to test compatibility.

Relax.

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I'm optimistic about the next iteration of Poser.  IMHO, they did a great job with the Poser 8 (including  Pro 2010) series and there were a lot of improvements - Library (including a great search feature), wxPython, Rigging Tools, Workflow/UI improvements, IDL and other things.

If weight mapping comes into play you will need the newest version of Poser to utilize it, obviously.  Things aren't going to get retro-fitted back to Poser 6.  Same goes with DAZ Studio 2 or 3 and you will wind up paying for some bits of Studio 4 as the free lunch there is a sampler for the bigger meal.

I don't have an issue at all with DS 3, as I do use some of it's tools, but I can say in all certainty that I am not interested in Studio 4 in it's current incarnation.  The layout and UI is not something that I want to use on a regular basis...  At least what I see at this point in time, though it is in beta.  It is just too simplied, large, "skittles" color coded and awkward with the vertical tabs (for me).  I don't care if V5 is so advanced that it will make me a pot of coffee and give me a back massage. :)

But to be honest, I'm more interested in the application and its workflow and features than any singular piece of content, such as a figure.

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Quote - So all I can tell you is this:
SM guys are very smart and I am impressed, not disappointed.

Well... Yay!  :woot:  I've been waiting to be truly impressed and not disappointed.  :laugh:  Can't wait!

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Quote - I cannot stand to use Poser Pro 2010 anymore. It will not be launched by me again except to test compatibility.

To me this is a suprising position to take, would it be ok for you to say why?

Quote - > Quote - I cannot stand to use Poser Pro 2010 anymore. It will not be launched by me again except to test compatibility.

To me this is a suprising position to take, would it be ok for you to say why?

You sure can ask, but I sure cannot answer. Mum's the word - lips are sealed.

All I can say is I like the new one so much more.

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I use: Poser Pro 2010 (SR1).

In that case you have to update your tagline. :biggrin:

I'm very curious to the next update, I just hope we don't have to wait till Christmas. BTW: IIRC, V4 was released just after the shipping of poser7, so I expect something similar will happen again.

a good easterweekend to everyone,

Bopper.

-How can you improve things when you don't make mistakes?

Quote - From all the saying I feel like the whole Poser - D/S evolution depends on just one strong product's name, Victoria!

We are not talking about the new D/S rigging system we are talking about how our new doll will look like with it in poser...

So is the whole poser-D/S community turns around just Victoria, or is this product the chance for our software to evolve?

However is the figures quality what matters? because right now we already have a better than V4 figure, Antonia (like we had Apollo before M4) we are already a step forward on rigging and it works both on poser and D/S. So is the collectors addiction what moves everyone from one version to another? (only the name is the same, everytime we get a brand new figure)

If people would read the thread at DAZ you will know that V5 is just a figure shape that is formed from a main base mesh that ALL the other figures as in Michael/kids and so on are formed from. So it's not just V5. It's the whole gen 5 figures. One mesh all figures and so there is the figure mixer to be considered that is used to do this. Also DAZ has said in that thread at the commons forum that they are working on a clothing converter that will convert the v4 clothes to v5.

Antonia as good as she is is still only one figure.

To BB. I hope it is nothing I have said because I'm the only one here in this thread that has been defending the new system and I never once said that SM was stupid. I only said that there has only been a small hint besides what DAZ has said that P9 was going to work with the new system. Even now that you have again hinted it still leaves much up in the air.

I don't understand what the big deal is that SM couldn't just say that Yes we have gone this way as DAZ has already shown thier hand. Those that rarely upgrade won't care or will grumble that they will have to upgrade. But those of us that do upgrade all the time would at least know and have something to look forward to.

Well I think if it could be done in Poser and DS and the technology could be adopted to any figure, it's win-win.  So I guess we will see how that goes.  Right now, since .daz files are encrypted they have the home field advantage no matter what.  It also could be something directly built into DS that would only work with V5 or some kind of marker in certain files.  Hard to tell when your main format is closed off. ;)

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Quote - I cannot stand to use Poser Pro 2010 anymore. It will not be launched by me again except to test compatibility.

If anything's going to get me to upgrade to PP<next-version>, that statement will. I bought PP2010 based on your statements about it, BB. I'd better start saving up... :blink:

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Well, I'd planned on updating when Poser 9 comes out (I usually do). Just hope one won't need Pro to use any new figure (tho I can't see that happeing). I can't justify my use of Poser at "Pro" prices ;). Other than that, if it comes that things won't work, I'll deal with it when the time comes, just like I do everything else...lol.

Laurie

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - I cannot stand to use Poser Pro 2010 anymore. It will not be launched by me again except to test compatibility.

To me this is a suprising position to take, would it be ok for you to say why?

You sure can ask, but I sure cannot answer. Mum's the word - lips are sealed.

All I can say is I like the new one so much more.

 

Then I am sure we will all like the new one much more :)

Quote - I cannot stand to use Poser Pro 2010 anymore. It will not be launched by me again except to test compatibility.

 

Oooo...  Does that mean no SR2?

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So if I have to choose between upgrading to Poser 9 (I'm not getting PP9) or v5, which should I do?

I'm a little on the frugal side, what can I say?

 

WARK!

Thus Spoketh Winterclaw: a blog about a Winterclaw who speaks from time to time.

 

(using Poser Pro 2014 SR3, on 64 bit Win 7, poser units are inches.)

I would upgrade to the software which supports the whole range of figures of the V5 type first, before worrying about the actual V5 figure.

But, then, I'm not much on Vickies.  :lol:

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I'm going to save my money for the release of P9. As for V5, I may not even bother. I would suggest that DAZ consider two versions of V5. One with the new weight map tech and one that would be compatible with earlier versions. They probably wouldn't do that, but it be a good idea to get as much bang for our of the V5 release.

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Weapons of choice:

Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8

 

 

Thanks BB

If they are asking you for feedback and suggestions- they cannot be stupid! A funny-but true comment. Thanks- now I know good things are in the works

 

Quote - "Quote - "
I cannot stand to use Poser Pro 2010 anymore. It will not be launched by me again except to test compatibility.

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Im a bit worried about this comment from bagginsbill, not because the new version of poser may be good, but because it feels like it is going to be the same beast with a couple of additions like most of the previous versions,bar a few. so im going to have to be very carefull when it comes to buying the new release, due to getting child v1.0 last year then upgrading to child v2.0 3weeks ago, so unless its something that will wow me im gonna have to continue my sabatical, atleast until child v2.0 can run itself,lol....(apparently child v2.0 upgrades itself over time to include a "make art" button)

Getting old and still making "art" without soiling myself, now that's success.

All this is keeping me interested and excited. If whatever new figure Daz produces doesn't work with Poser, I won't be using the figure, but I am definitely interested in the new Poser.

Now I can't help but speculate on what Bagginsbill likes so much. Being Bagginsbill, it has to be something to do with the renderer. My hope is that Smith Micro has enlisted Bagginsbill into contributing directly to the materials room, the way they incorporated PhilC's wardrobe wizard before. That is my hope. Or perhaps, they improved the cloth room after the meticulous research done by ArtBee and Bagginsbill in a thread here? A materials room that is easier to use and a cloth room that actually works as advertised....that will make me upgrade. V5 is optional.

 

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Agreeing vigorously and completely with Nanette on every last one of her points, including the lack of "need-to-have" over V5. Perhaps my lack of enthusiasm is due to that freebie-blob I downloaded from DAZ a few weeks ago that was presumably V5 in zygote stage.

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You mean that april fools joke? LOL. I got a good laugh when I read the threads of those that DL'd that.

Yes, that. Of course, I fell for it. When you look up "gullible" in the dictionary, you see my face. :blink:

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All this talk has got me to thinkin'...What was it Oddball said to Moriarty in the film "Kelly's Heros"?

 

 

Quote - All this talk has got me to thinkin'...What was it Oddball said to Moriarty in the film "Kelly's Heros"?

Could be > Quote - Don't hit me with them negative waves so early in the morning. Think the bridge will be there and it will be there. It's a mother, beautiful bridge, and it's gonna be there. Ok?

From -> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0065938/quotes?qt0497353
Or more likely

Quote - Always with the negative waves Moriarty, always with the negative waves.

or

"WOOF!....thats my other dog impression"

Airport security is a burden we must all shoulder. Do your part, and please grope yourself in advance.

LOL! ;)

 

 

Quite happy with V4 and all the excellent morphs available for her.

Anyone here get the feeling we may be standing at the crossroads

 

 

My main fear with V5, as I think SM will find a way to make her work with Poser, is that if she really is weight-mapped and her base completely androgynous as they say it will be a complete NIGHTMARE to create clothes for her....

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Weight-mapping will be a huge leap forward for Poser.  :woot:  What else could be so big?  Maybe giving us dynamic hair design tools that don't bite.  Or replacing FireFly with something faster & more better.  Or opening up interactions with the 3D preview to Python and giving us a fast, native vector and matrix library.  Or putting bagginsbill in charge of improving the Materials Room.  But those things won't happen, sadly.  :sad:

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Quote - ... I think SM will find a way to make her work with Poser ...

I don't know why most people's first thought is that SM will be behind the curve on V5.
I strongly suspect that the development of the new rigging has been a collaborabtive exercise. > Quote - ... it will be a complete NIGHTMARE to create clothes for her.

The increase in technical difficulty should remove (a lot of) the dross from the bottom end of the market, and allow prices to rise on the quality stuff, so no real downside for DAZ and SM.

If she's a complete nightmare to make things for, wouldn't that deter people from trying to make things and produce fewer vendors?  Maybe there are enough people buying B quality items instead of AAA only to justify a lower end of the market being there. 

Also I don't think that rising prices in this economic time is a good thing for most people.

WARK!

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(using Poser Pro 2014 SR3, on 64 bit Win 7, poser units are inches.)

"I don't know why most people's first thought is that SM will be behind the curve on V5."

 

really? well since they've said nothing at all offically... (sorry BB does not count as offical, since as he says he can't actually say anything other than cryptic hints...) then the reason for the thinking is pretty obivous... but hey... all they'd have to do is say something and the questioning would stop..... to easy huh?*

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Quote - "I don't know why most people's first thought is that SM will be behind the curve on V5."

 

really? well since they've said nothing at all offically... (sorry BB does not count as offical, since as he says he can't actually say anything other than cryptic hints...) then the reason for the thinking is pretty obivous... but hey... all they'd have to do is say something and the questioning would stop..... to easy huh?*

Obviously they're not speaking, quite right. From that you can conclude either they are stupid, or you don't understand everything they're dealing with. Marketing (and commitment) is a tricky thing. Corporate reticence is generally a clue; you have no idea what kind of trouble is possible from speaking too early about plans/efforts/intentions.

For example, if I tell you I'm going to jump the grand canyon on a motorcycle, and then I decide not to because "WTF was I thinking?", I look like a fool. But if I never mention the idea at all, then you don't think less of me when I fail to do it. On the other hand, if I just do the jump, it's all good.

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BB? I do understand so take the attitude and shove it please, I'm not playing your ego games.

Airport security is a burden we must all shoulder. Do your part, and please grope yourself in advance.

From what I can remember, when PoserPro was to be introduced (after Poser 7), the Poser development team put out a list of expected features in advance of releasing the software. There were one or two things that they could not get finished in time. They warned their public well in advance of the release about the things they were not going to be able to accomplish. When PP was released, you guessed it, large numbers of people had "missed" the change in projected features and raised a big stink about failure to fulfill the "promises".

As bagginsBill eloquently points out, every few versions the Poser developers have to remind themselves why they keep their mouths shut.

For my part, I use Mina instead of V4.2. I just do not like all the magnets. I do not like the DAZStudio line and will not buy it. So, If DAZ puts out a figure that will not work in the version of Poser that I have, I will not buy it (or its many excessories). And, if I were to stop buying, and FULLY use what I already have in my runtimes, I could wait until Poser 20 and Vickie 15.

Hmmm, looks as if this thread is about ready to be locked.

lmk

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Quote - BB? I do understand so take the attitude and shove it please, I'm not playing your ego games.

Magnus, you're hurting my feelings. I didn't mean any harm - just stating what is clearly not the position you're taking but should be because you said it should be "easy" to speak clearly, and that's just wrong.

I generally enjoy reading your posts and have on multiple occasions wanted to congratulate you on entertaining me, and tell you I think we're kindred spirits. Don't start pushing and shoving me just because you've misinterpreted something. If you and I get into a war here, I'm going to be banned. I've been warned too many times by mods, so now I have to treat everybody like they're made of tissue paper. That means you're not seeing one billionth of my ego, which is cosmic in scale, so please don't bring that up again.

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This thread will get locked for sure if we start comparing "ego" sizes.

 

 

The game is over before it started BB 1:0 MG.

Waitta minute!  Ya can't end the game now.  i ain't done rendering my ego!

 

 

Quote - BB? I do understand so take the attitude and shove it please, I'm not playing your ego games.

I'm still failing to see a bad attitude or an ego game. He was simply explaining something (that is very correct, and not very obvious for many people) calmly. I'm gonna assume you either have a case of past quarrels with bb that I don't know of or a very bad case of envy...

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V5 or no V5, DS will alway be useless without a bagginsbill "compability".  I'm excited about P9 but I don't see the rush.  I´m glad SM or bagginsbill aren't letting on what they are working on.  I could go crazy waiting for some "brand new" feature for too long.  I'm still enjoying IDL in Poser as a new thing, there's absolutely no rush for new bells and whistles.  But, like Nanette said, I hope SM will give bagginsbill EVERYTHING he wants in the material room ;)

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bill didn't actually say it would be called P9 IIRC, but this sheds alotta doubt on my theory that bill and mags were the same person.  anyway, for those on limited budget, my vote would be to buy p9, then wait for free version of V5.

If there is a free version. DAZ is removing the free figures to payed for. They are also raising the pricing of Bryce to double. Not that I really care as I have them all and Bryce just has a soft spot in my heart as it was the very first app demo I tried all those years ago.

Daz is slowly raising the prices of everything there. Maybe that merging of companies has something to do with it? Maybe not but it seems DAZ is tight for money. So it is quite possable that the gen figures won't be free. Or the base will be but what good is the base without the figure morphs. I don't know how they will sell it.

DS4 has a public beta that you can try out that has the base figure and some extra options. At least it would give people a clearer idea of what it's all about. I know. better to guess and assume than try a version of DS.

As a Poser user I am not promoting DS. Just pointing to a way to understand the new system better if you want.

That's why I download early and often...;) In just trying to find characters, hair, yada, and yada from 2 years ago, a lot of it's gone, site and all.

I have the V5 from 4/1...;) May be as close as I ever get...;)

BB - ya hadda go tell 'em...now

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If V5 isn't compatable with Poser, that's fine with me, easthetically I just don't like Vicky at all. She's out of porportion and even though the SM figures aren't perfect, I prefer them waaaaaay more than anything else, Miki2 being my favorite. Besides, I know it may sound strange, but they feel more "real" to me since they're anatomically complete unlike the DAZ models. Anything I want from the Vicky line I convert using Wardrobe Wizard, Texture Converter and the Hair convertion kits so I'm all set on whatever I need, without needing Vicky.

It's a shame that Miki3 was such a dud, but there were a lot of really strange things about her that become glaringly apparent when you use her. Just using the "sit" dial makes some of the polygons on her upper butt go all wacky. How did that get out of QA? Hopefully whatever the new reiteration of Poser is, the new models included are using the latest tech to improve on bending and mimicing real human physics. I can still dream of soft body physics, can't I? :P

Quote - Obviously they're not speaking, quite right. From that you can conclude either they are stupid, or you don't understand everything they're dealing with. Marketing (and commitment) is a tricky thing. Corporate reticence is generally a clue; you have no idea what kind of trouble is possible from speaking too early about plans/efforts/intentions. For example, if I tell you I'm going to jump the grand canyon on a motorcycle, and then I decide not to because "WTF was I thinking?", I look like a fool. But if I never mention the idea at all, then you don't think less of me when I fail to do it. On the other hand, if I just do the jump, it's all good.

As someone who plays/follows MMOs I know firsthand what it's like to have a dev say they are going to do something and then change their minds or fail to deliver.  So they often tend to be tight-lipped until they are really ready to release something.  On the other hand you've got the other extreme were developers aren't talking enough (when it's proper time for them to talk).

Generally speaking, I think that not saying too much too soon is generally the best policy, but not always. 

 

Another and worse problem is not listening to people (or your core target audience) but as someone from the outside, it's hard to tell who that audience is at times and you don't always know when you aren't being listened to generally until it's too late.

 

Since SM is in the business to make money, as is daz, and since in reality both of them kind of need the other to keep going, the most logical thing for now is to assume there are at least some kind of communication and actions going on.  So since reality doesn't always follow logic, all we can do is wait and see.

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Quote - anyway, for those on limited budget, my vote would be to buy p9, then wait for free version of V5.

 

I think daz is doing away with free versions and likewise, you need all the morphs and extras to make things work. 

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I've had a look round at daz and cannot find any mention of a V5.

Is there some link I have missed?

Quote - I've had a look round at daz and cannot find any mention of a V5.

Is there some link I have missed?

In the commons. It is a stickie so you can't miss it. "DAZ Would you like us to give our suggestions for Victoria 5"

You need to read all the pages or at least the first 10 or so to see the images of V5 but it also explains the system as well.

I would have posted the url but I never know whats allowed here anymore.

"I've been warned too many times.."

I am envious. I have done my utmost to get warned, even to the point of insulting jenx! but all in vain...sigh

 

 

 

 

You know,  Vicky has threatened to divorce Poser so many times in the last nine years that maybe Poser has decided it's time to let go.

 

 

Quote - > Quote - I've had a look round at daz and cannot find any mention of a V5.

Is there some link I have missed?

In the commons. It is a stickie so you can't miss it.

 

Thanks. It's quite a read ...

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Attached Link: http://forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=151972

See attached link.

Quote - Why would they shoot themselves in the foot by denying the biggest market they've got?

That's where my line of thinking is, so I'm not worried. Regardless of the changes that Daz3d makes they won't "shoot themselves in the foot" by cutting off a successful market that brings in thousands of dollars of revenue for them.

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Quote - I've had a look round at daz and cannot find any mention of a V5. Is there some link I have missed?

 

Try looking at this.  Appearently DAZ  is making a unimesh, unisex base figure and V5, A5, M5, etc will all be morphs of that figure.  Though from what I hear, that's going to make making morphs that work a PITA.

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It all looks complicated to me; but I don't use Daz Studio, so I'll wait and see what happens to a V5 for Poser (if it appears).

Quote - Though from what I hear, that's going to make making morphs that work a PITA.

How so?    Are they getting rid of the use of separate actor groups for morphs, or something?

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What makes me wonder when I see all those "one figure for all shapes" videos is  texture stretching, will there be a solution for this problem?

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From what I remember hearing, the more different a morph is from the base figure, the harder it to make things that look right for it.  I think trying to get the girl 5 out of a gender neutral figure and getting her to look right and all the morphs to work well with her would be a bit of a chore if what I read was true.

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Quote - I think trying to get the girl 5 out of a gender neutral figure and getting her to look right and all the morphs to work well with her would be a bit of a chore if what I read was true.

That makes sense.  And the texture stretching thought, too.  Hmm.

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I thought it said different maps for different figures to solve stretching. Just like it is now. That thread is a long read. It may have been in the DS forum I read that. Everything is kind of spread out amoung other forums and threads. Little bits here and there.

No groups. That is the whole point of wieght map rigging. Bones are not connected by groups as they are now. This is how the higher end apps do it. I think Carrara does it as well. Don't quote me on that one as I never rig in Carrara. But this is why bending is much better and more natural. As you can see by the images that were posted. The hand grasp looks really good. The way the breasts move with the arm pose. Two things right there that is a common complaint with the figures we use now among many.

I personally think it's a good thing to move up to the more updated tech that really is not all that new by other software/industry standards. IMHO.

Quote - No groups. That is the whole point of wieght map rigging. Bones are not connected by groups as they are now. This is how the higher end apps do it. I think Carrara does it as well. Don't quote me on that one as I never rig in Carrara. But this is why bending is much better and more natural. As you can see by the images that were posted. The hand grasp looks really good. The way the breasts move with the arm pose. Two things right there that is a common complaint with the figures we use now among many.

Right.  I'm all for this bit.  :thumbupboth:

I've been wondering, though, whether some kind of mesh-grouping will be retained, in order to define morph targets somehow.  Now that I try to explain it, I'm not sure it even makes sense.  Hmm.  :unsure:

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Quote - What makes me wonder when I see all those "one figure for all shapes" videos is  texture stretching, will there be a solution for this problem?

if every figure is using a different UVs then there is not stretching. you can not use the same UV's for V5 and M5. isnt it the same now with M4 and V4? both have different UV?

 

Quote - I've been wondering, though, whether some kind of mesh-grouping will be retained, in order to define morph targets somehow. 

Would that not make it easier to morph? True single mesh. No groups to cross over.

 Clothing modeling should be easier too. Yes we will need to learn some new stuff but if it makes it easier to follow morphs or create morphs. That means less work in the long run. This is part of the reason that DAZ showed thier hand. In the first few pages of the V5 thread itwas meantioned how the new system would help with clothing. DAZ jumped in and said that IS how it was going to work and started to show what they have and has the public betas to see for yourself how it works.

So I wonder if Poser is going to have the figure mixer too.

Quote - Would that not make it easier to morph? True single mesh. No groups to cross over.

Yes and no.  In part, I'm wondering how the implementation will impact existing figures, for the purpose of conversion, say.  But say you want to write a Python script which deals with morphs.  You could end up having to iterate over all of the vertices in the mesh, when merely trying to handle the deltas which affect the face.  You'd also have to pull the entire mesh into your morphing utility in order to do any shaping.  For the case of morphs crossing over group lines (assuming there were groups), it would be better.

But what I was imagining wasn't mesh groups as separate actors, split and re-welded, as we have now.  I was thinking that, for the purposes of morphs, groups might still be defined on the un-split geometry to define the actors just for the morphs.  Currently the welding issue is the real problem.  But what I was imagining there doesn't really make much sense to me, when I try to think about it now.  So, again: hmm.

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conforming clothing should be easier with good rigging system.

Eventually Daz Studio 4 will be here, better designed, with V5 technology and with plugin from Marvelous designer. The question is only then, what do we need Poser for? A product that has changed owner several times, is currently owned by a company that has a ton of other non CG related products and that haven't updated their archaic documentation for years. The argument that Daz earm money on Poser users doesn't hold water they will switch to ds on the drop of a hat.

@ Cage. I don't know enough about scripts except a bit of hacking and how to use them. Something I should learn in a long list of things to do.

Quote - Eventually Daz Studio 4 will be here, better designed, with V5 technology and with plugin from Marvelous designer. The question is only then, what do we need Poser for? A product that has changed owner several times, is currently owned by a company that has a ton of other non CG related products and that haven't updated their archaic documentation for years. The argument that Daz earm money on Poser users doesn't hold water they will switch to ds on the drop of a hat.

Yet none of that can turn any .obj into dynamic as poser's clothroom. It just makes it a little closer to what Posers is. Besides the plug can't be made until after DS4 is finished. So you are looking at even a longer time after that. It will be a good thing for DS users when it does happen.

Fact. DAZ has done dick with documentation themselves. Promises but never produce.

Not sure what you are saying about DAZ and Poser users. Are you saying that DAZ is wrong in thinking that Poser users will switch to DS or that the aurgument does not hold water because Poser users will switch to DS at the drop of a hat.

I for one can't stand the DS UI. So dropping Poser is not an option for me as well as with many other Poser users. Adding DS to my tool box is an option for the benifit of better tech figures.

It is also going to depend on what SM brings to the table in the new version of Poser. It looks like we will not know what that is until they release it. Just hints and rumours which mean nothing until it is actually out for us to make our own minds up about it.

 

Quote - Eventually Daz Studio 4 will be here, better designed, with V5 technology and with plugin from Marvelous designer. The question is only then, what do we need Poser for? A product that has changed owner several times, is currently owned by a company that has a ton of other non CG related products and that haven't updated their archaic documentation for years. The argument that Daz earm money on Poser users doesn't hold water they will switch to ds on the drop of a hat.

Well, personally - now that i finally have a handle on it - I much prefer a dynamic cloth sytem that doesn't depend on one vendor's mesh (Optitex). That's just a bit too incestuous for my liking. I like the idea I can make my mesh in Blender or Wings or bloody-whatever-I-like and have it all work in my posing app.

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Quote - The question is only then, what do we need Poser for?

For all its flaws, Poser remains more open and flexible than D|S.  Personally, I like Poser's material room.  If Poser development stopped today and D|S continued moving forward, I'd remain a Poser loyalist, using the old software until it stopped working on some future OS.  :laugh:

Possibly some of us just need Poser, without needing if for anything, per se.  :lol:

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Quote - Eventually Daz Studio 4 will be here, better designed, with V5 technology and with plugin from Marvelous designer. The question is only then, what do we need Poser for? A product that has changed owner several times, is currently owned by a company that has a ton of other non CG related products and that haven't updated their archaic documentation for years. The argument that Daz earm money on Poser users doesn't hold water they will switch to ds on the drop of a hat.

Buy a plugin for a program that I also have to pay for and that I can only use IT to make dynamic cloth when I can do it in Poser in any old modeling program? Drop Poser and switch to DS at the drop of a hat? You maybe - not me...lol.

Laurie

The reason there is no consensus about almost anything here in the poser forum is because we are talking from different viewpoints. Most people want to use Poser to create illustrations. Nothing wrong with that but a few (bigbraader, London224 come to mind) try to use Poser as a tool in the workflow for serious art. Anyone who has tried to do a studie of something by Bouguereau or Waterhouse know how utterly ridiculous it is to claim that you can make clothing like this in Poser, dynamic or not. (in any reasonable time that is) Marvelous Designer is the first breakthrough (a beginning) to real art. Clothing is the first and main obstacle.

Quote - The reason there is no consensus about almost anything here in the poser forum is because we are talking from different viewpoints. Most people want to use Poser to create illustrations. Nothing wrong with that but a few (bigbraader, London224 come to mind) try to use Poser as a tool in the workflow for serious art. Anyone who has tried to do a studie of something by Bouguereau or Waterhouse know how utterly ridiculous it is to claim that you can make clothing like this in Poser, dynamic or not. (in any reasonable time that is) Marvelous Designer is the first breakthrough (a beginning) to real art. Clothing is the first and main obstacle.

My issue with applications like MD and Optitex are the fact that they are pricey, deliver a specific type of mesh and are designed for a specific market. Well, this is what I see. I don't see a lot of folk spending $800 for this sort of tool... it would be those who really want to work in this medium and don't have an issue with the pricetag. For that price, i can get modo.

For hobbyists like myself, Poser represents the top of the application heap: that's what I model for, write scripts for (matmatic/Python) and now, play with dynamic cloth in and (eventually) will rig for. I use it as my scene creation tool, to export via Pose2Lux for rendering, or Octane. I'm not made of money, so I really like the idea of free. Or inexpensive. Bender is free. So is Wings. So is LuxRender and so is Pose2Lux. To buy an application that costs more than this core app for an arguably "superior" product takes away the hobbyist perspective.

A tool doesn't define quality the of a product: the modeller does. I've seen superb mesh developed is extremely simple freebie mesh tools, and utter rubbish created in high-end modelling apps ($7000 / seat licence). What will define better-looking clothing for Poser is a shift away from conforming cloth, which might imply a re-do of the cloth-room interface so that the challenged (like me) might find it a better place to venture. I can say that now because - thanks to KobaltKween, the penny has dropped and I've finally "got it". And the images I'm rendering are substantially better.

But no question dynamic cloth seemed an overwhelming challenged: it was. Now, rigging is next.

I quite like the product we have now, to be honest. There's still much to learn and explore.

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"I've seen superb mesh developed is extremely simple freebie mesh tools, and utter rubbish created in high-end modelling apps"

But Robyn a model is not judged by how fine the mesh is but how it looks in the finished composition..!

 

 

 

 

Quote - The reason there is no consensus about almost anything here in the poser forum is because we are talking from different viewpoints. Most people want to use Poser to create illustrations. Nothing wrong with that but a few (bigbraader, London224 come to mind) try to use Poser as a tool in the workflow for serious art. Anyone who has tried to do a studie of something by Bouguereau or Waterhouse know how utterly ridiculous it is to claim that you can make clothing like this in Poser, dynamic or not. (in any reasonable time that is) Marvelous Designer is the first breakthrough (a beginning) to real art. Clothing is the first and main obstacle.

Still what has this got to do with the thread topic. It's like your pushing MD on everyone because it's the best thing ever. But it still does not convert any .obj like Poser can. So it's still not a full answer to the Poser clothroom. Don't get me wrong. I have and use MD. I think it is a very good app. But again it's not even a plugin for DS yet. So again I'll ask. What has this got to do with this thread about the new gen 5 figures and thier rigging and what software to use them in.

Wouldn't all your focus on MD be put to better use in a MD thread? Or a realistic clothing thread or something other than a new figure thread? Or have I missed something here in your posts and If I have I apologize beforehand.

Discussing the future of Poser vs Daz Studio is not out of context in a V5 Thread. What I say is somewhat similar to circumstancial evidence. There is a number of issues about Poser's future and the company that market it, as I have pointed out. Each point per se doesn't prove much but when stacked upon each is somewhat worrying. To that you can add that they never have been able to market a successful figure and that the Marvelous team choose Daz Studio and not them. It adds up. But facts doesn't rock a true believer. Time will tell.

 

 

Quote - "I've seen superb mesh developed is extremely simple freebie mesh tools, and utter rubbish created in high-end modelling apps"

But Robyn a model is not judged by how fine the mesh is but how it looks in the finished composition..!

That was done in Marvelous Designer??? Wow! That's beats modo anyday! :biggrin:

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"That was done in Marvelous Designer??? Wow!"

I am aware that you are sarcastic (in good humor of course no offense taken), but I take up the challenge -I show you. :)

 

 

NB Marvelous Designer is a Windows only app - so no use to me.

As for the Poser/DazStudio arguments, use what you prefer - I like Poser and I don't like Daz, but that doesn't imply I'm going to say one is better than the other.

Quote - Discussing the future of Poser vs Daz Studio is not out of context in a V5 Thread. What I say is somewhat similar to circumstancial evidence. There is a number of issues about Poser's future and the company that market it, as I have pointed out. Each point per se doesn't prove much but when stacked upon each is somewhat worrying. To that you can add that they never have been able to market a successful figure and that the Marvelous team choose Daz Studio and not them. It adds up. But facts doesn't rock a true believer. Time will tell.

OK your statement still does not make sense to me.

First, lets point out that the reason that the Marvelous team chooses DS is because DS HAS to have a plugin. Poser doesn't need a plugin to use MD clothing because of the way the Poser clothroom works. In fact if you look at your import export options in MD you will see that the Marvelous team included more than one setting for Poser. So in fact. Couldn't we say that they chose Poser over DS first?

Second. I still don't understand why you think MD is playing a significant roll in the future of DS and Poser. Both are still going to be around with or without MD.

And as for Poser owners not able to market a successful figure is simply the lack of figure integrity. But not very many people buy Poser for thier figures since P4 who it was Zygote who made the figures and split to become DAZ for Poser figures IIRC. Yet none of that has stopped the development of Poser. Nor has it stopped us from buying each new version. With version 9 in the works.

You know, I've been watching the Poser is dead posts for years now. Funny thing is. We still have Poser.

 

I rest my case. I don't want to give the appearance that I WANT Poser/SmithMicro to fail, which is not the case. I long for something better though.

 

 

Quote - I cannot stand to use Poser Pro 2010 anymore. It will not be launched by me again except to test compatibility.

Relax.

 

Ok, coming from you, this is a very serious remark.  I use Poser Pro 2010 all the time, I really like it, but it sounds like the new version of Poser will be an improvement.  That pleases me greatly!

 

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Quote - But facts doesn't rock a true believer.

So... many... snide... retorts... demanded... by... this.  Must not give in!  Argh!  >head explodes<

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Quote - I rest my case. I don't want to give the appearance that I WANT Poser/SmithMicro to fail, which is not the case. I long for something better though.

I have not said anything that backs up what you have been saying except the poor figures and as I said, most don't buy Poser for the figures. You don't buy DS for the figures either. Just a couple of bases come with it. So far all your statements that you say are big problems with SM, except the figures, I have shown you that DAZ have the same problems. So what makes you think one is doomed more than the other if both are still developing.

Then do what many of us have done for better software. Invest in higher end software. Costs a lot more but you get what your looking for. Though Poser does quite a lot for what it is. DS as well as they pretty much do the same thing.

 

cage

 

What I did today was that I 1) dowloaded and fouled around with Daz studio 4 beta and 2) learned that the Daz people do rigging (up to now) with something called Figure Setup Tools - no doubt better documented and supported than anything in the Poser world. I am already 90% sure that I will do the switch. Version 4 is completly different, a totally new program.

blah, I will stick to Poser 7 and my outdated figures. Most of the clothing I have is for V3 anyway and I can not afford to buy it all again for V5. If Poser were to die I would get the plugins to run rigged figures in my Lightwave box

The last Daz studio on my system was a buggy mess that kept crashing so I was not filled with wonderment about it.

Daz studio made it fairly clear years ago that they were moving away from Poser with a closed application for dynamic cloth, and the subdivision models and LOD. 

From memory there were a couple of clothing design systems being pushed , but neither of them still seems to be in the market. I may be wrong about that though.

I am not in a position to upgrade my computer (single processor 2.08 ghz with 512 ram) or my Poser (7) so V5 is not a worry.

Quote - What I did today was that I 1) dowloaded and fouled around with Daz studio 4 beta and 2) learned that the Daz people do rigging (up to now) with something called Figure Setup Tools - no doubt better documented and supported than anything in the Poser world. I am already 90% sure that I will do the switch. Version 4 is completly different, a totally new program.

The figure rigging tools are realitivly new compared to the software. Couple of years now? So it is only from that time on that they used it. And you still read every once in awhile about things not working right in Poser using them. So they are not perfect either. They used Poser before that for everything. There is documentation on the set up room for Poser but after all these years it has kind of got scattered around a bit. But that does not mean there isn't any. Daz is not known for updated documentation and hasn't been for years. Unless you count the pay for documentation. Manuals are years and versions behind. One tool does not make it all OK again.

As for DS4. I did say a few times in this thread that people need to try the beta so they can understand the new system and software better. I still prefer Posers UI over DS4 even with it's UI changes. But I did say I would put it in my toolbox. Might not use it much except for export reasons. Tools are tools and have some use.

But who knows what the next version of Poser will bring. I don't buy because someone says it's the best thing going as some will and do. I need a copy in my hands to see for myself to make up my own mind. And there lies the problem as in DAZ is showing what they are doing and SM is not. I can see how some will jump ship on that alone. Getting to actually try something to hearsay.

Still it will be later on, maybe end of year? So lots of time to show thier hands.

In the mean time and in between time it's time to fire up messiah and do some rigging today before I turn into a couch potatoe watching hockey.

hey Guys and Girls....

 

if BB is saying that "he can't stand using poser pro 2010" that is making me wanna jump around like crazy!!!!

 

if BB is saying that SM people are not stupid, what i understand is ..."are you people nuts? Do you think that Poser 9 (or whatever name they gonna give) won't support the next best selling figure of all time?"

 

if BB is saying all those things we should just sit and open wide our ears to listen!

 

sure he can't speak...i understand...but from those thinks he said, i can sleep with full of optimistic hopes!

if the next Poser is such a hit its going to have a great support from a lot of people...

Poser has been left aside in the 3d community...and it has so many potentials...it lucks just a few things to "grow up"...a high quality render engine would be great and generation 5 figures...

and it will go sky high in miliseconds...!!!

 

God im so excited after BB statements!

 

p.s. sorry for my bad English...i know they suck big time...

 

So what are the people at SM/Poser going to do when Vickie packs her bags and hits the highway.

 

 

Until that "always running process" is resolved, DS4 will not be installed on my machine, come hell or high water.

When I close an app, I expect it to close all processes and not suck up memory although I'm not using it.

DS4 is doing just that with this content management service they make you install. (Check the DS4 threads on the Daz Forums)

There is also a problem with Metadata (which is why DS has to connect and check, as I understand it), but when someone spoke up about Poser handling it differently -- he instantly had his head bitten off for daring to mention Poser.

So DS4 Beta will go nowhere near my box until they stop that process from auto starting when you're not even using DS.

Another thing... I'm with you on the Cloth room.
And yet another thing... DS standard, with no plugins, no nothing, may be free, but if you want an all singing all dancing version, you pay a heck of a lot more for everything you want/might need, than you would spend on Poser.
On top of that, the plugins are 3rd party supported. Which means every time DS changes, the plugins need to be updated and may not work until the plugin creator does that. How many plugins have been abandoned over the years?
I think anyone making a living from creating renders for projects can't really rely on an application where only the core functionality is guaranteed, but not any 3rd party plugins they might use/need to use to create what they want to show a client.

The full figure setup tools for DS are what... $150?
I bought them a while ago and sent them back, because they announced DS4 and a totally different setup in there. Since no one could tell me if the Advanced Setup tools plugin was still needed in DS4, I'm not touching them with a bargepole right now.

I have nothing against modular software. Vue does it very well, but then...all the modules are made by E-on, not 3rd party supported. That's the difference. If Vue is updated, all the modules will work after the update.
If DS is updated, you're usually stuck until the plugin creator updates the plugin.

That bugs me.

Silke

Well said Silke,  well said...

Somebody want to show Vickie the door...i think she's worn out her welcome.

 

 

Silke. Agree with the Content management. DAZ made everyone install that with no choice in the last beta version. Boy am I glad I didn't install that. Many of us had told DAZ not to pull that kind of stuff on people before they did it. It was mentioned in some other thread earlier on about doing this. I think it was the Genesis thread. But don't quote me. Everything to do with all this is so scattered in so many different forums and threads there.

Unfortunately there are to many DAZ fans that think anything DAZ does is a good thing  and tell them so and most of those seem to have only one computer and use it for everything. Unlike those of us that don't let our main work machine/s connect to the net. We shall see if they have done something with that on the next release. Just wait and see what others have found out before installing it.

The setup tools still do what they do in DS4 for everything but the new gen figure. IIRC there will be an upgrade to use with the figures. Agree the price is ridiculus. Can you imagine what the price will be to use with the new figures? But then again, buy the tools and never buy anymore content is much cheeper. I can prove that now. I rarely buy anything from these stores anymore. I just make my own stuff.

No point in telling V5 to pack because you know it will not happen. How many times have we heard that one over the years and the fact is, DAZ still makes the best figures. Not counting the one or two that are out there. 

Quote - I cannot stand to use Poser Pro 2010 anymore. It will not be launched by me again except to test compatibility.

 

It just dawned on me; Gamma correction for the Masses.  The mind boggles....

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Quote - > Quote - I cannot stand to use Poser Pro 2010 anymore. It will not be launched by me again except to test compatibility.

It just dawned on me; Gamma correction for the Masses.  The mind boggles....

Or a choice of colour correction algorithms... GC, corrected-sRGB... what-have-you. How about: roll-your-own?

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Quote - Silke. Agree with the Content management. DAZ made everyone install that with no choice in the last beta version.

It's kind of hard to beta test it if no one downloads it.

Quote - Unfortunately there are to many DAZ fans that think anything DAZ does is a good thing  and tell them so and most of those seem to have only one computer and use it for everything. Unlike those of us that don't let our main work machine/s connect to the net.

If you're referring to the Content Management Service (CMS) it doesn't connect to the internet.

Quote - The setup tools still do what they do in DS4 for everything but the new gen figure. IIRC there will be an upgrade to use with the figures. Agree the price is ridiculus.

Personally, I don't think $29.95 is ridiculous.

 

Coldrake

The content management system I just blocked with the firewall and disabled in services. A third party plugin is normally much better maintained like in 3ds max that still rules and set the standard with its 5000+ plugins, and to set up Vue as a model and good example! Great god, the most buggy application of all times..

 

 

Tashar59-

Quote - Silke. Agree with the Content management. DAZ made everyone install that with no choice in the last beta version. Boy am I glad I didn't install that. Many of us had told DAZ not to pull that kind of stuff on people before they did it. It was mentioned in some other thread earlier on about doing this. I think it was the Genesis thread. But don't quote me. Everything to do with all this is so scattered in so many different forums and threads there. Unfortunately there are to many DAZ fans that think anything DAZ does is a good thing  and tell them so and most of those seem to have only one computer and use it for everything. Unlike those of us that don't let our main work machine/s connect to the net. We shall see if they have done something with that on the next release. Just wait and see what others have found out before installing it.

The setup tools still do what they do in DS4 for everything but the new gen figure. IIRC there will be an upgrade to use with the figures. Agree the price is ridiculus. Can you imagine what the price will be to use with the new figures? But then again, buy the tools and never buy anymore content is much cheeper. I can prove that now. I rarely buy anything from these stores anymore. I just make my own stuff.

No point in telling V5 to pack because you know it will not happen. How many times have we heard that one over the years and the fact is, DAZ still makes the best figures. Not counting the one or two that are out there. 

 

Maybe the best thing for us to do as poser users is to not update to V5 when she comes out.  Take the genesis thing, daz might require you to install DS4 with its memory hogging auto-starting software in order for you to even DL and install GE/V5.  If that's the case, I'm not touching it.

WARK!

Thus Spoketh Winterclaw: a blog about a Winterclaw who speaks from time to time.

 

(using Poser Pro 2014 SR3, on 64 bit Win 7, poser units are inches.)

Why is it coldrake that you always need to jump in with that $29.95 version when we already showed the price of the full version. Sure it may be a bit cheeper on sale but still it's not the little version. Your argument that we don't need the full version doesn't hold water because some of us do and that price is very high.

Quote - It's kind of hard to beta test it if no one download sit.  If you're referring to the Content Management Service (CMS) it doesn't connect to the internet.

That's right. With no warning that you have no choice in the matter. As pointed out in more than one thread. It could have been a separate install for those that want to test it and may have a use for it. Notice how many don't want anything to do with it. But anyone can read those threads and see for themselfs. Also when asked if it will be changed or if there will be an alternative way to DL the meta updates from another computer. DAZ was very avasive about it. So yes you do need to be connected to the net for those updates. Which is what others and not just me have been saying about our machines that we don't connect to the net.

I still don't know why it is so hard for so many to understand the fact that many of us don't let our workstations connect to the net.

 

Quote - Why is it coldrake that you always need to jump in with that $29.95 version when we already showed the price of the full version. Sure it may be a bit cheeper on sale but still it's not the little version. Your argument that we don't need the full version doesn't hold water because some of us do and that price is very high.

Because you always make it sound like you need the more expensive version to rig a figure and that's not true. The fact is you fully rig a figure with the $29.95 version.

Quote - It's kind of hard to beta test it if no one download sit.  If you're referring to the Content Management Service (CMS) it doesn't connect to the internet.

Quote - That's right. With no warning that you have no choice in the matter.

If you don't like it, delete it. Simple.

Quote - So yes you do need to be connected to the net for those updates.

Yes, but you have to allow it to connect. It doesn't do it by itself.

 

 

Quote - Take the genesis thing, daz might require you to install DS4 with its memory hogging auto-starting software in order for you to even DL and install GE/V5.  If that's the case, I'm not touching it.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

 

Coldrake

 

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - I cannot stand to use Poser Pro 2010 anymore. It will not be launched by me again except to test compatibility.

It just dawned on me; Gamma correction for the Masses.  The mind boggles....

Or a choice of colour correction algorithms... GC, corrected-sRGB... what-have-you. How about: roll-your-own?

I also wonder if more of BB's rendered figures will have hair?

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I also wonder if more of BB's rendered figures will have hair?

Have you ever seen a goldfish with hair?

regards,

Bopper.

-How can you improve things when you don't make mistakes?

Quote - Because you always make it sound like you need the more expensive version to rig a figure and that's not true. The fact is you fully rig a figure with the $29.95 version.

You always assume that nobody here needs or has a use for the Property Editor. ExP Exporter, Morph Loader Pro. Why is that? When anyone says how much these tools are and they are expensive. $169 for the bundle if your not a plat member and don't catch it on sale to get it down a bit. You come waltzing in after me for agreeing and start telling everyone they only need the basic to do everything.

Quote - If you don't like it, delete it. Simple.

No. It should not be automatic install without letting people know. It should have been stated in the first place if there is no option to op out of that install. And even when uninstalled. You have to go looking for the leftover files that are place all over the place because DAZ has a different path for every little thing. So not simple as you say. That's just not right to do that in the first place.

Quote - So yes you do need to be connected to the net for those updates. Yes, but you have to allow it to connect. It doesn't do it by itself.

With no way to get those updates unless you connect to the net as what I was saying in the first place. So those of us that don't let our work machines connect are still forced to do so. Again, why is this so hard for so many to understand.

Quote - You always assume that nobody here needs or has a use for the Property Editor. ExP Exporter, Morph Loader Pro.

No I don't, now you're just making things up. Do those tools make it easier? Faster? Yes they do. Can you do more with those tools? Yes you can. But the fact remains you don't need them to fully rig a figure.

Quote - You come waltzing in after me for agreeing and start telling everyone they only need the basic to do everything.

I never said that either. I said you only need the basic Figure Setup Tools to rig a figure.

Coldrake

Well, I may or may not get V5 when she comes out. I don't know. But I don't think V5's situation will be any different from the current one with Miki 3.

Either get the model now  and hod it until you have the software to make it work or wait until you do.

i think everyone here has the right to not try out V5. i understand that V5 will not look like a real women.

 

but weight rigging is realistic. and for that alone they deserve all the money.

Quote - i understand that V5 will not look like a real women.

What makes you say that?

 

 

Coldrake

Quote - > Quote - i understand that V5 will not look like a real women.

What makes you say that?

The most obvious (not mutually exclusive) possibilities are :- 1) The belief that the figure won't be based on a scan of a single identifiable model.

2. The belief that the proportions will be somehow not match some artistic ideal.

Quote -

2. The belief that the proportions will be somehow not match some artistic ideal.

 

Nor have those of any woman I have met ...

What little bit that BB says, has me now saving my pennies to get Poser 9 when it comes out. I had played around with the idea of sidegrading from Poser 7 to PP and he told me to wait for 8 that I would like 8 and he was right.

So I will sit here and save my pennies, my nickles, my dimes, to get Poser 9 when it comes out, and hope that it has Sub-D and the weight mapped rigging, and the means to transfer the morphs from the character to the clothing so that making clothing for charactes is almost (if not as) easy as making dynamic.

I had a beta version of DS4 to use while I tested something for Daz and I just uninstalled it. If I can get the genisis figure and the V5 add on cheaply I will, on the grounds that eventually I should be able to use them in Poser but I likely won't be using DS4. (Unless some new bryce upgrade insists on it for pulling content into Bryce. And then I will only use the free version.)

For now I shall sit here, quietly and wait and be patient and not stress as BB suggests.

Sunfire's Creations

Speaking of 3rd party apps, doesn't Poser 8 REQUIRE a 3rd party app?

R

Quote - In the past, and now again, I see fear-mongers predicting dire consequences based on an assumption that SM-Poser staff are among the stupidest people on earth, who not only started stupid years ago, but have no ability to learn anything at all about marketing or technology. Such comments are not only distracting us from discussing important things, but I find them offensive.

I and a few dozen other lucky souls have just started playing with the next iteration of Poser and I'm absolutely not allowed to say anything about it because of NDA and they are really serious about this. So all I can tell you is this:

SM guys are very smart and I am impressed, not disappointed.

Talking about if/why Poser users should/would upgrade on the basis or assumption that only one new feature is offered is patently ridiculous.

I cannot stand to use Poser Pro 2010 anymore. It will not be launched by me again except to test compatibility.

Relax.

YAY!   I hear ya, people are soooo good at assuming the worst... and the wors seldoim happens. Especially when someone with at least half a brain is at the rudder.

Looking forward to the new and improved Poser :)

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Quote - Speaking of 3rd party apps, doesn't Poser 8 REQUIRE a 3rd party app?

It requires a resonably updated version of MS Windows or OS X as described in the product requirements.  Everything else required is included...

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I agree, Connie. I'm pretty much as excited as you are about what BB can't really tell us about, but hey, if he's excited, I'm excited!! I don't need a lot more reason than past experience. PP2010 is about as incredible a product as SM have come out with (or its predecessors).  So, saving my pennies... this is going to be awesome!

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Quote - I agree, Connie. I'm pretty much as excited as you are about what BB can't really tell us about, but hey, if he's excited, I'm excited!! I don't need a lot more reason than past experience. PP2010 is about as incredible a product as SM have come out with (or its predecessors).  So, saving my pennies... this is going to be awesome!

That said, I'd like for SM to come out with some improved figures, and maybe some improvements in their setup room for rigging.

I am an admitted Poserholic. I also like to play on the bleading edge with some software. Old programmer in another life and old habits are slow to die... To steal a line from Chris Matthews aka "Mr. Tingles" on MSNBC, "The thought of Poser9 and especailly PP2011/12, sends a tingle down my leg!" Go get em SM staff! :thumbupboth:

 

In regards to V5, I'll wait a bit for all the issues to be sorted out. Have so many projects and partial scenes underway with V4, S4, M4, it will take me a lifetime to finish them all. Unlike V3 being dropped quickly for V4, not so sure if the same will occur in regards to the V4 to V5 transition. Plus the world wide economy being what it is right now will have an impact on merchants if they are required to upgrade software and characters and learn different technologies. I don't envy the merchants at all at this momment and time, in regards to DAZ4, Poser9 and V5.

Gary

"Those who lose themselves in a passion lose less than those who lose their passion"

Quote - > Quote - Daz isn't dumping Poser, it's saying Smith will have to make changes to its programs to use the V5 figure.

  Oh dear, and that tweak could also expose all other stuff to going wonky in Poser.  Tsk tsk tsk.

 

So DAZ shouldn't design a more advanced figure/system? They should just cludge together a few tweaks on to V4 call it V5 and be done with it in fear of things going wonky in Poser?

How many times over the years have the myriad of companies that owned Poser changed the program regardless of it's effect on DAZ'S business?

I've been away from the community for some time and it's quite evident coming back that DAZ Studio and Poser have developed in different directions.

When DS was first introduced it was a security blanket for everyone that thought Poser might fold. Now it's a serious ap in it's own right. It's not surprising that as the two aps develop independently more and more product won't cross over.....

 

It seems Smith has a choice coming, adapt P8 etc. to accept the new DAZ model or develop figures that make everyone jump ship from the DAZ line.......something that hasn't happened since the introduction of V1.

No one is saying that Daz doesn't put out quality figures and content. (well some of the content that comes from there these days seems to have slipped through QC while those doing QC had their eyes closed.)

What people are saying is that Daz really has a problem putting out a good program. And that it makes little sense to put out a figure that requires a new program (and that one so buggy it makes most back yards seem bug free) to use. They're saying they're thinking that Daz may be overreaching themselves.

I do hope that Smith Micro is implementing the weight mapped rigging and the Sub-D in their new version without losing anything that makes Poser so great (like a material room you can understand and the cloth room that can turn any object into dynamic cloth without needing a plug in that doesn't work on Mac and doesn't work in the 64bit version of the program).

Sunfire's Creations

I just fired up DS 3.newest for the first time not having opened DS since some version of DS 2.old. I must say that there are a lot of changes, but I still cannot make heads or tails of the user interface (which is why I abandoned DS when it was still free).

I really only installed DS again to load the Temple of Mars Prop by Kraig, so I could export it and load it into PP2010. It worked best for me exporting it using generic Collada, which imports into Poser without having to size the prop. Sadly I don't know how to get the doors to open or close, but I can just make them transparent which is almost as good. Kraig modeled the columns fairly close together, so it is hard to get a good straight shot into the inner chamber anyway. The columns are made as two separate material groups, and each group contains every other column. I would have made the front two columns in a third group so that they could be made transparent, and allow for a straight line view into the inner chamber. But, that is not a DAZ verses Poser problem.

Except for Miki and one other figure (I think), the Poser figures have been provided as content with Poser, meaning that one had to own Poser to get the content (legally). With the introduction of new rigging capabilities in Poser 8, the Alyson and Ryan figures will not work properly in DS. Since David(3) the DAZ figures have been less and less compatible with Poser. The DAZ version of sub-d, and dynamic cloth are completely proprietary. It has been the ingenuity of content providers and users that has kept the two communities of products as close as they are now.

So DAZ and Poser have already been moving in their own different directions for some time. Unless these companies allow for compatibility, eventually the users will not be able to straddle the difference for themselves.

If DAZ makes products that I cannot get to work in Poser, then I will not buy those products. That isn't critical, petulant or punitive, it is reasonable. If I were a DS user, I would feel the same way. If the DS and Poser products are better off with proprietary product lines and a separate development pathway, great. If not, I hope they adjust their trajectories.

lmk

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ikendall, regarding Daz dynamic cloth there is no way the content works in any Daz version for the Mac. They said they would evaluate the windows demand and then decide if they would create a Mac plugin. I might be wrong, but there is no tools that I know of to create dynamic content for Daz. Whereas in Poser I can save a figure as a prop and convert it dynamic myself. Or anybody can create dynamic content from any program that can create an .obj file which works in any recent versions of Poser. They locked out the developers and by doing so limited developers from taking the risk if they so desire to create dynamic content. Therefore limiting the market and reducing the potential demand, IE: creating a ground swell of demand for dynamic content. Therefore in my opinion dynamic content for Daz is a niche market becuase of the limites placed on it's creation. Whereas in Poser it is more widely used and a reasonable amount of content is created for-sale or freebies.

 

I hope for all parties concerned both companies understand they have to be careful not to create a niche that precludes the majority users no matter their choice.

Gary

"Those who lose themselves in a passion lose less than those who lose their passion"

Any probable release date for V5? One month, three months, six months, more than a year?

Isn't V5 part of the Genesis package in DAZ?

Quote - Any probable release date for V5? One month, three months, six months, more than a year?

Soon :biggrin:

Quote - In the past, and now again, I see fear-mongers predicting dire consequences based on an assumption that SM-Poser staff are among the stupidest people on earth, who not only started stupid years ago, but have no ability to learn anything at all about marketing or technology. Such comments are not only distracting us from discussing important things, but I find them offensive.

 

This.

 

Here's a clue, folks - they talk to each other in a given week more times than you talk to your own spouse/kids/cat/whatever.

 

Neither company wants to jepoardize the millions of bucks they rake in each fiscal quarter. I think that in this case, D|S and Poser is the best definition of the word "frenemies"

I suspect that things will be slightly bumpy at first, but will smooth out from there.

 

Me, I'd positively kill for weight-mapping. I'd also kill for a rigging that actually lets me modify, say the torso to a natural spinal bend, instead of carving up a mesh into a zillion chunks and hoping the end result looks okay and conforming clothing doesn't explode in the process. Soft-body dynamics w/ proper collision detection? Been a PITA ever since I wrestled with it years ago, and a workable solution (that doesn't take a week to calculate) has yet to come out, IIRC (and if I'm wrong about that bit, please, please, please tell me - I want to know!)

 

/P

Official V5 release date: In 2 weeks.

But no known "starting to countdown" date was released yet.

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Oh yes some detail info.

1.2 milj poly's and 7134 material zones.
Give or take a few. :-)
Depends on the elasticity of the downloader.

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She'll be a perfect fit.
For the trash can.
or
Skip download button.
or
Do not bother ....

Ok, get back to work chief.

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Penguinisto. Then you should download DS4 while it's still free. This will give you a chance to check out the genesis figure. It is a single mesh so bend much better as the way you are hoping for. It also has a smothing/collision tool that helps with poke through. When you use the auto-fit to convert all your gen 4 clothing to genesis.

V5 has already been stated in the DAZ forums to be a genesis character morph. Coming DAZ soon.

I always reccommend downloading what's free.

Quote - Penguinisto. Then you should download DS4 while it's still free.

 

Way ahead of you :)

 

I've been using subdivision in D|S 3 for awhile now... works beautifully on older figures, especially when we're talking joints. With it, I've managed to rehabilitate figures like Terai Yuki, The old Milgirl figure, Laura/L3, the original Aiko (!?), M2, and lots of other dusty meshes buried deep in the ol' Runtime. 

 

No idea what I'll do with the V5 figure offhand, though, but I like what I've seen so far.