I have tried and tried to give DAZ a brake. But this is it. As Mac users may be aware Apple updated their OS to Lion. As a result Bryce and Hexagon no longer work. I have been hanging on by a thread to Bryce for sometime now.

I have projects that are sitting and I'm not able to complete. The problem has been one bug after another with Bryce. I thought I would teach myself Hexagon. I was half way through the tutorals and now that program is not supported by the new OS as well. A waste of time and money.

i love the Bryce interface and still beleive it is the cleanest GUI's ever developed. But now it does not work. The program cashes at ever step.

So for now I must take the time again to learn a new progam. It's been alittle over a year seens I last uploaded anything. It will probly be another year before I upload again. 

I'm posting this to let the Bryce Group Mind know it's been the best comunitte I could have ever been a part of. 

If DAZ every gets it's act together i may be back. 

 

Bye for now

Vincent

The programmers are working with Apple on why its not working with Lion, in all basic theroy it should be working fine, far as I've heard Apple may have changed something in the OS that effects PPC type applications, if thats the case the programmers stated that Bryce "might" and I stress "might" have to be re-written from the ground up. So its all kinda up in the air right now, but I do knolw its being looked at seriously especially since Daz just got the new Hexagon version out the door.

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I had an at long conversation with DAZ. That's how I came to were I am today. As they say I'll believe it when I see it.

Daz is hopelessly mired in managerial dogma, failed applications development and self congratulatory egotism bordering on the absurd.  They have been told many times by professionals in the graphic and programming arts the fallacy of their software development approach, to no avail.  They have ticked off lucrative vendors.  They have run off their customer base.  They have ridiculed experts in various fields which would have proven useful to their endeavors.  A behavior caused by the dogma of a very few.  Daz insists on reinventing (and screwing up) Bryce. They see their vision for Bryce as the only valid one.  They claim the current situation is not their fault.  No, it must be "them". They claim the program is too old, or the software is imperfect, or it needed to be fixed (boy, did they fix it). They make up any number of excuses to explain how they managed to take a decent piece of 3D software and turn it into a nightmare and graphic community laughingstock.  Yet even now, Bryce apologists say the advances are worth it.  Really?  It's not even a decent beginners program anymore.  Daz needed mature management and guidance.  Unfortunately, most of us no longer have the time or inclination to wait for them to discover that greater reasoning skills create greater responsibility.  Strident voices drown out reason.  Bryce and the Bryce community continue to suffer at their hands.  We wait for them to ask the right question, "Why did this happen?"

Well being a Mac user myself for over 20 yrs I know the frustration, The new version of Daz Studio no longer works either with PPC OSX Leopard, so when I do decide upgrade to an Intel based Mac with Lion I do want such things to work for sure.

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Actually Bryce is really super old code, so its not as easy as it sounds to fix what mainly Corel messed up with version 5, yeah there's still bugs and yeah there need to be changes, but thats how it goes with software development. I've worked on Bryce since version 3, so I know all the "remodeling" of the app that has gone on, its a really daunting task, not sticking up for Daz or anyone I'm not one of their payed employees but I am in the "know" behind the scenes kinda things, not on their business end or anything, just development, its just one of those kinda hurry up and wait situations til they get everything pointed in the right direction, its all about the money so what makes the most gets the most attention at the time as far as development of each application.

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Windows111 is a spammer yet again.

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Graham Dresch over at the DAZ forums said it's possible to have a second partition with Snow Leopard installed.

Yup that is a "work around" until the issue with Lion is resolved.

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I think I saw it for 295 Norwegian Kroner. That's about 25 dollars. Seems a reasonable enough sollution to me. If that wasnt just for the update.

I'm not sure, I'm just working with what I got that I know is working fine for now LOL!. I can only offer advice wether it be bad or good:-)

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We need more BAD advice!:biggrin:

Gee thanks:-/ I helped start this website back in the day I just try to pitch in now and again when I can:-P Just kiddin around, I'll try and answer any questions I can:-)

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Good! Thank you. Meaning of life?

The meaning of life is to live it before you die, and have fun doing it.

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Clay/Dyret,

I read the rubberband fix over at Daz. I have no desire to partition my drive for a quick fix. The fact is this has been going on far too long over at DAZ. DAZ never seems to have it's act together. This is the only bit of software that has stopped working. For me at least it's time to move on.

I can totaly understand you!

I would just like Daz to fix the bugs in bryce and stop adding new features until they have done so. They also seem bent on adding stuff that nobody wants or needs such as the CMS in studio.

Cheers

GG

WHO said Kiwi's can't Fly ?????

@ army4499

A statement such as yours would have been censored in the daz forums, I know because it happened to me . They will not listen to thier customers and when they get negative truthful feedback they sweep it under the carpet instead of doing something about it.

Cheers

GG

WHO said Kiwi's can't Fly ?????

I think DAZ would get a lot less angry messages if they just came out in the open and told us what is being done to get Bryce working under Lion. As it is right now, none of us users knows HOW long we have to wait for a fix. We havn't even gotten an official message that ANYTHING is being done. We're given the silent treatment, and that is just frustrating. It's not a matter of national security, is it?

Let's just say they are going through a "transitional stage" right now, I just hope all of you will be patient I know its frustrating and annoying but its just all part of the process of business.

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I guess I got out of bed a bit grumpy this morning, or its something to do with old age.

Cheers

GG 

WHO said Kiwi's can't Fly ?????

I should think(and I'm not trying to be sarcastic, I dont write this to have an arguement) that "a part of the process of business" would be information for customers. Looking at the DAZ Bryce forum it's been MONTHS since any new information. I'm not going after you clay. Hope you don't think so.

vncnt: I'm on the same page with you regarding the endless waiting periods between upgrades, and the bug-infested releases. I've not been able to use B7 Pro since they broke the materials lab, supposedly fixed it months ago, but have yet to release the fix (for Snow Leopard!). Now with the release of Lion, that can has been kicked way down the road. DAZ needs to face reality, get its house in order, cut its losses and sell this software. They're clearly in over their heads.

There is NOT a fix for the materials lab for any version. Pc or MAC. But i must say that I really like B7. I'll continue to use it on my PC. Just wished I could use it on my shiny new MacBook Pro :rolleyes:

Its coming please be patient, its being looked at.

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yes. a few of us will soon be patients :biggrin:

Quote - There is NOT a fix for the materials lab for any version. Pc or MAC. But i must say that I really like B7. I'll continue to use it on my PC. Just wished I could use it on my shiny new MacBook Pro :rolleyes:

Maybe not. What I meant was the "Pictures Lab."

me too

That problem has been fixed, it'll be in the next release. But it works again like its suppose to. when that release will be is unknown at this time.

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Just a little patience for the patients

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Let me sprinkle a bit of computer wisdom for those frustrated.

First a major O/S upgrade will always result in incompatiblity with any software, so that is why it is always recommended that you check and make sure your software is going to work with the latest software, before you upgrade.

Developers spend a lot of time and effort making sure their software works on current O/S.  Unfortunately there is no magic wand or crystal ball that will let them predict how the software will behave with a future O/S, best efforts are made to stick with standards.

The above statement is true with any O/S not just Lion.  Not all developers have access to pre-release copies of an upcoming O/S to ensure nothing is going to break.

In this Case the O/S in question is Lion and the problems are not isolated to Bryce, all you have to do is read on tech sites and blogs and some even recommend that you do not upgrade to Lion because of all the things that it breaks. Apple is known to release Software or O/S with major changes that causes incompatibility with current software, this is a known fact and you can read about it everywhere. 

I dont work for Daz and I'm not affiliated with them, but we need to be level headed and not jump to conclusions when their products start crashing on an O/S that was released, a couple of weeks ago.

Apple dropped using Rosetta, but the carbon base is still there, here's a quote from Apple's website" **Normally, applications intended for Mac computers based on PowerPC processors don’t work on Macs based on Intel processors. But if you install Rosetta, you can use applications intended for PowerPC-based Macs."
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Ok so after some further research and feedback from Apple users, there is an obvious problem with LION, and its not just effecting a few apps its effecting a lot of things, hopefully this won't be like the release of V 7.6 years back, that was a big mess, so on that note Apple seems to have dropped the ball on this one. A lot of users have told me they returned lion to get their money back and either reinstalled snow leopard or leopard.

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So what do I do? My machine came with Lion

I dunno dryet, downgrade? I dunno contact Apple is all I can say.

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yeah. this is no fun!

@Clay:  Thanks for confirming what I said in my original post about LION.

Just an FYI. You can't down grade. If your Mac came loaded with Lion you can't install any OS below that which came with the laptop. I tried to reinstall my old OS  and was told that the install disk is no longer compatable with this computer.

I have now tried the load to an external HD angin the some problem. The computer wouldn't accept the old disk to load the OS. I also read online that all you had to do was to install Rosetta and the older progarms would work again. Nope. (Lion dose not support Rosetta.)  Sorry no going back.

Below is a website that list programs that are compatiible with Lion.

http://roaringapps.com/apps:table

All this does is, put a lot of pressure on developers and hurts their business and in the end, developers will shy away from Apple.

 I mean look at this thread.  People are pissed off at DAZ because of what Apple did with the O/S.

The onus is on software companies to upgrade their products. That seems to be clear to Smith-Micro, whose soon to be released Poser 9 and Posesr Pro 2012 will be Lion compatible. OS 10.7 has been in beta testing, and availabe to developers for months. Of course they'll be initial incompatibilities, as is true with any new major OS release. And yes, until the upgrades come in, it's a major pain in the butt. Remember the OS 9 to OS X change. Yikes! Yet, it's one of the best things Apple has ever done.

I'm running Lion and I'm liking it. Can I live without Bryce? Ha, ha. Since the developers broke the Picture Lab for Snow Leopard (and Windows) months ago, and have yet to release the supposedly fixed version because they're currently engaged in some kind of intra-company blood-feud, Bryce is just a memory for me. As for DAZ Studio, like I said: Poser. Customers have a right to be pissed at DAZ, and it should have little to do with Apple.

The pict issue is fixed for sure, but as far as the Apple thing, I've been using Apple puters for 20 yrs, what I'm seeing is that they're about to change the architecture of the computers again which is good and bad, if ya can't afford to upgrade then ya kinda feel left out bad, good new technology on the rise. So where I stand is all my stuff is working like a top and I'm gonna leave it alone for now. Also a trend with apple is..NEVER buy a first generation computer or OS from them its always buggy and quircky.

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Clay I can agree with some of what you said. There are always problems with OS updates. 9 to X, Windows 98 to XP to Vista and so on. 

 The problem still lays with DAZ. Bryce has been buggy since the 6 release. 7 was going to fix most of the problems and it didn't. If anything things got a little worse. There are people at this site that were creating in B5, and rendering in B6 or 7 just to get the job done.  

 I also agree with Dgerzeeboy. The developers have access to the beta before the release to check compatibility and any other issues. If DAZ was serious about retaining it’s customer base they would fix things right the first time. Then they wouldn’t have to give their stuff away for free or at ridiculous low price. 

Well again, this falls under the issue of the code for Bryce is ancient, so when you fix one thing it has a pretty good chance of breaking another already working function especially when you are combining old code with newer updated code, so there is no overnight solution for sure, but as far as Daz they gotta make money like the rest of us but agreed on certain items, software etc probably shouldn't be released at certain times just to flip a dollar. But on the other hand you're never gonna have a piece of software from anyone that doesn't have a bug in it, Bryce is waaaaaaay better than version 6, Daz got the half written code from Corel so they had to dig through all that mess to even begin development. So kudos to Daz, but also the company needs some more focus for sure.

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Here we run into another problem: Why should you upgrade your OS, when everything is working (mostly)? This is a USER problem. Daz3D has a very small Dev team.

It is your own fault for upgrading to Lion before Daz has its software fixed for Lion.

lol. that one made me laugh. the user is at fault. the user have to listen to what the makers of programms and os tells them.

Gee if that were the case I'd still be running OS 9 and B4. The last truly stable version of Bryce.

@dyret:  Let me give you another perspective.  I work in corporate I.T. and we don’t upgrade to the latest O/S at least until the first service pack or fix patch has been released.

 Why do we do that? Because we need time to test and make sure the latest O/S is compatible with all the software that we run.

Regardless if I'm upgrading 1 PC or 100 PC's its the same principle.

You take a risk when you upgrade to the latest, which by the way is not necessarily the greatest.

I doubt any Graphics or Illustration companys are running out right now upgrading to LION.

Again... I got my mac 3 weeks ago. I didnt have a choice! this machine will NOT run run Snow Leopard.

The end user is only partly to blame IFF he upgraded the OS before checking on software compatability issues. However, the end user who buys a new computer, like with Lion already installed, then he is stuck until those software compatability issues are fixed. If the end user check and find compatability problems, and upgrades the OS anyways, then the end user has to right to blame anyone else for his problems.

I was a beta tester for Vista Beta 2 and RC 1. Beta 2 was fine. RC 1 sucked. The only internet connections permitted were Dialup and DSL with username and password! I have Roadrunner, which is a LAN always on connection. I could not connect to the internet to even activate RC 1. That was enough to cure me of ever wanting Vista. I stuck with XP Pro Retail and XP64.

Clay, are you saying that Apple is about to change CPU architecture AGAIN? At least PCs are consistent, using the x86 and x64 instruction sets.

My AMD dualcore box has XP64 on it, and I have a hardware problem, which I hope is limited to the power cord and PSU. The last time I had it on, it was fine. Now it won't power on at all, and it had been off.

My primary system is an Intel Core i7 860 (2.80 Ghz dual channel), 16 GB G.Skill DDR3 ripjaws, 2 GB EVGA nVidia GTX 460, 2 x 2 TB Seagate SATA3, 2 x 2 TB Western Digital SATA2, Lite-On DVD burner, Corsair 850 watt professional series PSU, in a Lian Li K7 Lancool mid tower case, with a 27 inch LG Flatron E2770 1080P monitor. It runs Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit OEM. I am the system builder.

My notebook is an Acer Aspire 18.4 inch 1080p Core i7 with 16 GB DDR3 and a BD combo drive, running Windows 7 home premium 64 bit.

Quote - Again... I got my mac 3 weeks ago. I didnt have a choice! this machine will NOT run run Snow Leopard.

You are well and truly STUCK! This case is not your fault at all. You just need to be patient.

DAZ offers a upgrade from Bryce 7 to Carrara 8. How long is it before they give up on Bryce now?

Quote - DAZ offers a upgrade from Bryce 7 to Carrara 8. How long is it before they give up on Bryce now?

Where does it say that on the site???? I've got to see that.

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OS: Windows 11 64-bit
Poser: Poser 11.3 ...... Units: inches or meters depends on mood
Bryce: Bryce Pro 7.1.074
Image Editing: Corel Paintshop Pro
Renderer: Superfly, Firefly

9/11/2001: Never forget...

Smiles are contagious... Pass it on!

Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday

 

http://forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=170407&flatnum=1

 

there u go Thunderstone :-)

I must say I´m tempted

To those of you who are windows users if you didn't use a Mac you really can't point a finger at Apple for our wows. (This has nothing to do with any type of perceived war between to two operating systems. Frank I could give a care.)

The reason being is the Mac OS releases are not the same as they are on the pc side. Apple's OS updates are viewed in the Mac community as a good thing that will only make your computer work better. Apple doesn't have service pack updates. I have yet to update my Mac OS and have any serious problems with the OS. The same can be said for Lion. My computer is running better with the new OS and has new added features.

  As you have already stated the first release of your OS is always buggy and riddled with problems. Windows! Not Mac. I have been a PC user since the early 90's and felt the pain every time Microsoft did anything to their OS. This is why I use a Mac for my everyday life.

 This is not the first time that Apple has changed its architecture. It happened when Apple went from OS 9 to 10. At the time there was a transition period between Cheetah to Puma (10.0 to 10.1) before Apple stopped supporting the old software. The same thing is happing now as Apple transitions to their iOS platform.

As I have already pointed out the Mac OS has been a very stable platform. I don’t have or are having any problems with my OS. Lion has been great so far. In fact I’m really digging all the new features. There I said it twice.  The problem is and has always been with Bryce. I.e. DAZ.  There have been numerous upgrades to the Mac OS since DAZ has taken control of the Bryce program. And the software has remained buggy the whole time. DAZ even told me once that the problem would be fixed at the next OS release from Apple.

 Now that DAZ is offering Carrara 8 as an upgrade for both Bryce and Hexagon users tells me that DAZ isn’t going to be getting around to fixing the problem anytime soon. If at all for Mac users.

 So I guess we leave it there.

Time to find some new software to use.

Yes, it's the user's choice to make the leap. I don't need to worry about upgrading 100 computers, nor do most of the members of Renderosity, who are, for the most part, hobbyists. So that's pretty much a non-issue.

I too, chose to upgrade to Lion and I'm finding it to be a stable, elegant, state-of-the-art OS, that offers (if the user chooses to include the Apple trackpad) a very cool, touch-screen interface that recreates the iOS of the iPhone and iPad. Nice. Can I live without MS Word until the upgrade. Yup, I'm using Pages. Can I get along without Photoshop CS5? Don't have to. It works fine under Lion. Poser 9 for Lion, weeks away. Bryce? Don't get me started. And when the software companies begin their upgrade releases, Lion will be even better.

This discussion have nearly turned into a war over at the DAZ forum. Hope it´s not wrong of me to request that people keep it sivil.

I've been reading the heated talk over at the DAZ forum as well. 

I think you're within your rights to ask that of us. I hope so far it has been civil. It's good to hear differing points of view, even if you don't feel the same way.

I have a lot of respect for the people who attend this site.

Quote - I have a lot of respect for the people who attend this site.

As do I. Especially for Clay, whose patience has been remarkable.

Civility in all things.

Heheh I used to be moderator here, actually one of the first ones when the site was developed, so I've pretty much seen and heard it all. I myself have even ranted a few times so its no biggy, in this business its a waiting game usually.

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Attached Link: Lion and Bryce

From this thread at the DAZ Bryce forum by DAZ_bfurner: My apologies for not posting in this thread earlier. We here at DAZ 3D have been very busy working on some big projects. One of which is the DAZ Studio 4 Advanced and Pro launch. It has taken all of our developers, even the team working on Bryce to wrap up the last details. No excuses are good enough however. 

I have been in discussion with our CTO, and he is committed to getting an upgrade for Bryce to run under the Lion operating system release. This should be good news for everyone. The only thing I don't know is how long it will take to update or develop. One of the developers said it should not be a huge effort, but until he dives into it it's not completely known. 

I hope this helps, and I'm very sorry for the delay in responding to each of you.

I just want to clarify, I dont take sides on PC Types or O/S Types or companys. 

Yes it is true that I currently use PC's, but before that I was big on the Commodore 64 and Amiga computers, which were unique systems.

I look at computers as tools and I just use the tool that works for me.  Nothing against Apple.

Tension will grow more now that Steve Jobs has resigned as CEO from Apple.

Im angry that Bryce dont run on my Commodore 64!:biggrin:

Try Bryce 3?

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lol

You know you can still buy a new commodore 64 http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_C64.aspx And I still own a copy of B5. Hey I'm in business! Apple will rue the day!!!!!

I have an old one in a closet at my parents house. Casette drive and all. I don´t have any software for it tho. Maybe we should request a Bryce 7 version on casette for C64?

Ok. Who will be the one to contact DAZ about this?:scared: :lol:

I will.  But I don't think I'll be getting a quick response from them.

now now. no sarcasm :laugh:

I was laughing at this thread partly because in Susan Kitchens excellent book "Real World Bryce 4" she complains about bugs that have been in the software since version 2! I have news for her; they are still in there! Bryce is an experiment, always has been and always will be. The only thing to do is develop workarounds for the screwups and artify on.

Well. Susan, it seems is still in the Kitchen. Eh...

Microsoft is well known for breaking compatability with their own software, in Windows OS.

Attached Link: http://www.bambam131.com

Hey guys don't feel bad, I have been a devoted Bryce user for over13 years and they still very rarely will use anything that I create. I also love the fact that when you go to their so called Bryce gallery about 80% is poser based. I also asked them if you have a Bryce Gallery should it not be dedicated to the creation of Bryce work using, (dare I say) Bryce only items. There is quite a bit you can do using the Boolean objects that comes with Bryce. I do not like the fact that they show images that are primarily Poser images with just maybe a Bryce sky or terrain but everything else Poser based, this kind of takes the idea of a Bryce Gallery and throws it right out the window. I would love to see a pure Bryce Gallery but you will never find that here or at DAZ or anywhere for that matter. I don't mind you doing post work in Photoshop or using a program like Universe or Flaming Pear to create some of the background because Bryce star-fields just plan suck but at least 90% of the image has to be Bryce only and I have yet to find a real Bryce gallery. I know that their are artist here like myself that take a lot of pride in creating Bryce images using primarily just what Bryce has or what you can find that is design to be used with Bryce. This in my opinion shows ingenuity and also shows how powerful Bryce is by itself. I would love to see a Bryce gallery dedicated to say just Space Exploration, or one for just Landscapes, seascapes, or what ever but at least 90% percent of the image has to be created using only what comes with Bryce or what you can find in the free section for Bryce or Bryce add ons and especially using models created by yourself and not just something you bought from DAZ or from here. All the kudos someone gets for just placing a model that you did not create is kind of sad. The more original and creative one becomes especially creating an images using just what comes with Bryce and creating the model yourself I believe would be a lot more satisfying and would set you apart from just the average person that uses someone else's model and show a level of creativity that I think is much lacking in a lot of the pictures I see here at Renderosity. I know not everyone has the patients or creative spark but it would be nice to see images that usually get 40 to 50 comments or more to actually deserve the kudos. There are a lot of people that bust their butts to be creative and create and design everything from scratch and they get at most on a good day maybe 20 comments for work that may of taken 2 to 3 week to 2 to 3 months to create. The disparity in the amount of time and effort and creativity over some one using just stock items and then those people getting 50 or more comments is frankly disheartening because this website is turning into more of a fan site for certain bloated egos. This is sad but true and if you don't believe me take a look around and you will see what I am talking about. There are quite a view exceptional artist that hardly get any encouragement except from others of the same mind and frankly this is unfair. This is just an observation on my part but I believe that there are artist that post here that feel that same as I do. It is a shame that this site like so many others is becoming more based on popularity than the merit of their work. Oh, yes, I do understand the concept of the word (Subjective) but it does not take a genius to see the difference in creativeness and just putting together a view brightly colored objects and calling that art.

 

Regards,

David Robinson (AKA) Bambam131

Hi David,

 

I am a great admirer of you work. I understand and agree with what you've posted here for the most part. I am one who tries to create 100 present in Bryce. Bryce is not without its limitations. (Software bugs aside) I have the need to use a person or two to complete a scene. Also I would like to create what I will call vector models in Bryce. Back when DAZ was still asking for input as to what we the users would like to see in Bryce I advocated a model lab. Instead we got other (in my opinion) Useless labs.  DAZ however feels that this is what Carrara is for. (The better then Bryce app) I don’t like Carrara and find it a user UNFRIENDLY program.

 

So I have been looking (still looking) for modeling software so I can create my own models and then drop them back into Bryce to create and render the scene.

vnxnt9663  .. Have you tried Wings 3d??  It's free & easy to use.

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Life may not be the party we hoped for but while we're here we should dance.

 

Vue "Frontier" is on sale for $49 to members of Cornucopia3D. I thought that was a  pretty good deal since I have after more than a decade of using Bryce I have become tired of crashes, bug reports, useless mats, plants that have been in there since the dawn of time and the addition of IMHO basically silly things like the instancing lab. They obviously have no intention of simply fixing the fundamental problems and if Windows 7 would allow me to re-install Bryce 3 I would do so since I still have my original CD.

On to why I don't think Vue is such a good deal either. It is obvious that my 5 gig quad core is not adequate to the needs of the software, so to use the program to its potential  will require construction of a dedicated machine. More $$$. I didn't understand the concept of meshes that were "locked" to my license. Now I do. It means that unless you buy their "import" module for $129 you cannot use most freebies or any that are not vue format unless they were designed for vers 9. This is like buying a canvas and then finding that it will only accept dedicated oil paints conveniently available from the canvas maker for a price.

Possibly the final straw dropped this weekend when an animal model I bought on the Daz site never showed in my downloads which required a formal fix request to Daz. Surprisingly they answered on Saturday but the mesh was in mac format and I run pc. The gentleman at Daz informed me that as a courtesy he would change the download format so as to be usable but that he was not required to do so. Excuse me? You are going to provide me with what I paid for as "a courtesy"?

So is time for 'new' software? I dont think so. More likely it is time for 'no' software.

 

Mike

Isn't that funny, in all the years I used B4 I don't recall it ever crashing.

 I did try B5,5.5 and 6 though didn't see any usefull features (for me anyway) and they all ran much slower. I think I'm right in saying, the bryce code is the limiting factor in its development and I would think DAZ would prefer people to move to Carrara.

It is the boolean king, and bambam's fine work is testament to that, though it can be limiting at smaller scales

Things change, try a different software, a different medium - as long as you can express what you need to - the tools are of no consiquence.

 

Ravyns yes I have tried wings. Look at my gallery to see. It also has a lot of limitation. I need something more roboost that doesn't cost over a thousand dollars.

What are the limitations?

The interface. There isn't one. The program is work in progress. It's hard to navigate around and I'm not sure but I don't remember if there ara any tutorials. I guess I need to check it out again.

Quote - The interface. There isn't one. The program is work in progress. It's hard to navigate around and I'm not sure but I don't remember if there ara any tutorials. I guess I need to check it out again.

Whats your view on blender then?

I'm thinking of trying Google Sketchup, seems something even I could figure out.  I've tried wings but since I dont understand all the terminology its hard for me to use.

Quote - I'm thinking of trying Google Sketchup

well best of luck with that. From a modeling point of view there is very little difference between the apps, whether you spend money or not. The terminoligy may be different, but if you watch anyone who's any good at it you'll see they use very few tools - its not as daunting as you may think.

" its not as daunting as you may think"

Do they have a large print version for us old guys?

It's not so much the terms. I know that. With Wings it's the fact that there isn't a GUI interface. I'm never sure if what I'm doing is correct. Especially when the program is not doing what I want it to do. I haven't play with the google app yet. I've looked into Bender. I know it's open source. I found it a bit overwhelming. Mainly. I just need a good tut.

Vue 9 Pro Studio just went on sale in preparation for the Vue 10 roll out.

Quote - Ravyns yes I have tried wings. Look at my gallery to see. It also has a lot of limitation. I need something more roboost that doesn't cost over a thousand dollars.

With respect to modeling on the mac, I've tried Silo 3D, Wings 3D, Cheetah 3D, Google Sketchup, Modo, Hexagon and Blender.  My favorite of all these was Silo3D, and that's what I've been using.  It felt extremely intuitive and easy to use.  I prefer having keyboard shortcuts for almost everything since it really speeds up the creative process and Silo (along with several if not most of the others) allows me to configure my own preferred setup.  It occasionally has stability issues, but I'm pretty careful when it comes to making copies and backups so it hasn't been a problem.  Please be aware Silo has no internal renderer.

Vue and Bryce aren't modeling programs, so it's better to have the right tool, a modeling program, for the job.  It's cool that people are able to psuedo-model some amazingly creative stuff with terrains, but Vue and Bryce are landscape/environment generating programs by nature.

It's interesting to hear someone mention their kickass machine was unable to run Vue; I've had all sorts of speed and stability issues with Vue in the past and basically stopped at Vue 7 Infinite.  Sad, too, because its renders look incredibly good.

It sucks that Bryce 7 won't run on Lion but that is one of the drawbacks of moving to a new OS.  One of my favorite music plugins didn't make the jump from PPC to Intel and I was extremely disappointed.  I had to find a substitute for that plugin and once I did, my frustration and disappointment (slowly) faded away.  That's progress for you.

LH

lhumungus thanks for the comments you left in my gallery. I agree with your comment regarding the lighting in the one scene. If you read my posts lighting is one of those areas I'm constantly working on. As to your remarks about Bryce not being a true (my words not yours) modeling program. I agree. That was an is why I've been searching for a program that would complement Bryce. I refuse to abandon Bryce. I'm a little hopeful that DAZ is working on a fix for Lion. If what I read over at DAZ is true. That being said, even if I can't create true models with Bryce I can a least texture them, arrange the scene in a realistic environment with out having to worry about XY or Z coordinates well I struggle with lighting and atmosphere. Silo is some thing to check out next. The gods willing I'll still be Brycing.

I got Bryce because Wings doesn't render. Unfortunately, I've yet to get a decent scene for my gallery because Bryce keeps crashing.

And vncnt9663.. I really liked the Smuckers image. Had my favorite Cherry preserves in it.. 

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Thanks. I modeled the jar with wings. There are some other items in the scene I did in wings as well. I get a little frustrated with wings at times. Mostly when it won't do what I want it do.