Davina wrote,

Quote - People were banned for saying things on another site not related to Daz, not for anything they did in the Daz forums.

If people were threatening my company, no matter where they're doing it, I'd ban them from my forum too.

3anson wrote,

Quote - total tosh!   you can get banned even if you don't go against TOS!  especially at a certain site.

Maybe you should read the TOS again, and stop "digging" at Randall, no matter how much you love doing it.

3anson wrote,

Quote - just post a few sarky comments about their flagship app's shortcomings or certain weird decisions like vaulting stuff or discuss legitimate concerns (at a totally different forum)and you get banned.

Nonsense. There are dozens if not hundreds of posts like those all over the DAZ forums and those people haven't been banned. Go look for yourself.  Maybe it was something else that got you and the others banned.......?

This "spy" thing cracks me up.  Apparently anyone who reads those forums is a spy, since just about anyone in the world with an internet connection can read them.

I always get a kick out of people who get banned and continually complain about it. It's never their fault of course. :rolleyes: What these people for some reason aren't able to comprehend is that they're not getting banned for no reason, it's because of their own behavior.

Coldrake

Quote - It's simple html in my signature box under "My Forum Options" link above. The code is from http://dragcave.net/. Other than that, they're just a fun waste of time to decorate your posts with. Nothing to take seriously. I like planting them in contentious threads that get the most views because it makes them hatch and I prefer hatching eggs over arguing any day of the week.

Thank you :biggrin:

Quote - Lookit kids, it's real simple... if you act like a dummy, they're going to give you the boot. Just ask the PTB here how a certain gent by the name of ... went (crap - couldn't recall his last name - thank Heaven for Google sometimes...) 

I knew who you were talking about.   I encountered him at the CP forums when I first started out  He was very helpful to me as a noob, and his posts there were reasonable, but I could tell from others' comments that he had built up an enormous reservoir of ill will and he seemed baffled why.  He has a You Tube channel, but I haven't checked it out in a while...

Quote from page 12 of Pro2012 documentation:

Smith Micro Software does not regulate content on third-party forums

These few words are the final comment about the difference between SM and DAZ corporate cultures.

Quote - Quote from page 12 of Pro2012 documentation:

Smith Micro Software does not regulate content on third-party forums

These few words are the final comment about the difference between SM and DAZ corporate cultures.

It appears you read something more into this than I do. This is a standard boilerplate stating that they accept no responsibility for third party forums.  This is an attempt to escape liability, not to assure users that they don't monitor content on third party forums.  In fact, monitoring content on third-party forums would not violate this statement (it's not regulation) and this statement does not offer any assurance that they will not retaliate.

Of course, it's doubtful that they would retaliate by banning anyone from their forums - since they closed down their forums some time ago to save money!

It doesn't seem to have helped as their financial results have continued to nose dive.

Klebnor

Quote - Quote from page 12 of Pro2012 documentation:

Smith Micro Software does not regulate content on third-party forums

Clue #1: Smith Micro Software can't regulate content on forums they do not own. 

Clue #2: Notice how it leaves wide open the possibility of regulating their own forums should they have any.

Do you even think these things through before you post? 

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Quote - I knew who you were talking about.   I encountered him at the CP forums when I first started out  He was very helpful to me as a noob, and his posts there were reasonable, but I could tell from others' comments that he had built up an enormous reservoir of ill will and he seemed baffled why.  He has a You Tube channel, but I haven't checked it out in a while...

I suspect the ill will came from being intentionally dense, repeatedly, in spite of others going out of their way to be helpful. He would even get combative about it. He would also change his story, constantly. Overall, IMHO he was running a complex troll. 

I believe the gentleman in question is still active over at RDNA. I saw a thread there recently where he walked away from a potential argument in a very mature way, so he seems to have changed for the good.

In his day though he was like the Poser equivalent of 'Leeroy Jenkins' ;-)

Quote - I for one would damned sure not want to have to open the email inboxes of folks like Tim, Dan, Steve... none of those mofos. It would get old in a hurry.

It's not THAT bad. :-) Entertaining perspectives P, btw... A good read this morning. Thank you.

Small update. Found a site mail explaining a small bit, so FYI Mr RK's name isn't automatically removed. It appears that a certain mod here got a little trigger-happy and removed the name manually herself.

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Quote - It's not THAT bad. :-) Entertaining perspectives P, btw... A good read this morning. Thank you.

We aim to please. :p

If a company closes its forums doesn't that mean its banned everybody? :sneaky:

Quote - If a company closes its forums doesn't that mean its banned everybody? :sneaky:

Pretty much!

I know this thread is about strange goings on at Daz....but there is something strange going on with the SM servers. Ever since about mid-night last night they seemed to have a whole bunch of traffic. I wonder what is going on?????? :b_confused:

Quote - I know this thread is about strange goings on at Daz....but there is something strange going on with the SM servers. Ever since about mid-night last night they seemed to have a whole bunch of traffic. I wonder what is going on

Yes, something strange is happening there. This afternoon I was getting data at 30 KB/s instead of the usual 700 KB/s. Now it is faster (100 KB/s). Overload of requests? who knows...

Silent, evil smile.

Quote - If a company closes its forums doesn't that mean its banned everybody? :sneaky:

Yes, but, that's ok because it's non-discriminatory.

I vote with the wallet.  Content providers that piss me off don't get a sale from me no matter how great their product is.  I've put a number of them on a list that I'll never buy from again.  It isn't hard to add a company to that list if they change their loyalty to the wrong side.  When I decide they've been disloyal to me, I don't buy from them again.

My experience with snitches is they always expect something in return especially at someone else's expense.  It makes them look and feel good, but underneath they're scum.  If they do it to you, they're probably doing it to the one they pretend to be loyal to.  I have no use for snitchers.

It's best to not be vocal about it anywhere then they can't ban you from a site.  If they do then they've lost some money.  If they continue to ban, then perhaps they don't see the mistakes they're making when they lose more customers.  It's their loss not mine.  They aren't going to change for me and I don't expect them to.

I suspect the snitchers have too much time on their hands, or they're just miserable and want others join their club so they can praise each other.

Quote - I know this thread is about strange goings on at Daz....but there is something strange going on with the SM servers. Ever since about mid-night last night they seemed to have a whole bunch of traffic. I wonder what is going on?????? :b_confused:

Late downloaders who wanted to wait until the rush was over to download Poser.  Or it could be they're giving Poser 9/2012 away and it had to be downloaded in five minutes.

Quote - What is more odd is how supporters of Daz (the spies who have been reporting back) think they are helping the company they love so much when they have actually damaged them financially. :unsure:

Then who is the real idiot here?  The company or the snitcher?  Maybe it's time for pink slips to the dud employees that think the snitcher is doing the company a favor.  Sometimes the best corporate decisions are the wrong one, then it's too late to go back and try again when you've lost all your customers.

Then they start all over again under a new name or disappear for several years hoping you'll forget the mistakes they made or the customers they drove away.  Take a certain insurance company for example.  They screwed a lot of their customers by dropping them when they made claims, disappeared for a decade or more then came out with cutesy commercials hoping to draw on people who weren't born then or have a lapse in memory.  When you've been screwed you remember.

Or perhaps the recent mass exodus of customers from DAZ is ridiculously exaggerated by a certain few whiners who have a personal axe to grind.

Spies? Snitches? How can you spy and snitch on something that's open to anyone who wants to read it? That's absurd.

Coldrake

Dance with me boys!

My darkest fear was that people would follow DAZ like rats followed Hamelin piper and this has not happenend; for once, human beings pleasantly suprised me. B.t.w., if you follow mainlystanly odissey with Carrara 8.5 on DAZ forums you cannot but concord that CMS is being forced on users with such a relentless determination that only the future DRM server can warrant.

As far as I am concerned, the story is over. DAZ bid for monopolizing the market completely failed. Poser sold like peanuts (and most of the stars I see are gold ones, Pro, the most expensive version), it is solid, fast, full of features and completely beats DAZ offer (the day it will be really available and not in the shape of an incomplete and buggy prerelease).

As far as I am concerned, Pro 2012 is solid and fast, Vue 10 is coming, Blender is marching on implacably (BMesh probably merged in 2.62, work restarted on Nurbana), GIMP 2.8 is being worked and beta 2.7 is pretty decent, FilterForge/Genetica work, probably Arbaro (a compatible plugin is avalable for Blender) and ngPlant will be enough not to need to buy XFrogs... all summed up all the pieces are there or available soon (soon according to english language, not DAZ speak).

The future of DAZ? will they manage to piss off enough client to go bankrupt? could not care less, for me it is sufficient that they are no more in the position of harming me. I just register that no firm follows SnowSultan business pratices... for long.

You're not thinking of invading Poland are you?

People, behave. Discuss about DAZ all you like, but stay polite and constuctive.

Quote - People, behave. Discuss about DAZ all you like, but stay polite and constuctive.

 

you do know that stopped about 8 pages ago?

Quote - > Quote - People, behave. Discuss about DAZ all you like, but stay polite and constuctive.

 

 

you do know that stopped about 8 pages ago?

:lol:

Khai, do you ever read your site mails? 

Quote - As far as I am concerned, the story is over. DAZ bid for monopolizing the market completely failed. Poser sold like peanuts (and most of the stars I see are gold ones, Pro, the most expensive version), it is solid, fast, full of features and completely beats DAZ offer (the day it will be really available and not in the shape of an incomplete and buggy prerelease).

And yet, Smith Micro is at a new low of $1.50/share today.  Getting into the pocket change realm.  It has lost over $500 million in market capitalization in 2011, and is now worth about 10% of what it was worth at the beginning of the year.  Astonishing.  Of course, Poser is rounding error against the income from their mobile telephony software, but it has to be distracting, eh?

Quote - > Quote - People, behave. Discuss about DAZ all you like, but stay polite and constuctive.

 

 

you do know that stopped about 8 pages ago?

I think it was the lebensraum reference that prompted the response.

Quote - > Quote - People, behave. Discuss about DAZ all you like, but stay polite and constuctive.

 

 

you do know that stopped about 8 pages ago?

Please don't laugh too hard..but after reading your post I had to scroll back up to the top to see if this thread had at least 8 pages! :crying:

I apologise for any offense which my earlier response may have caused. Mods please feel free to delete my previous message .

I think it's kind of funny... you see the same characters spewing the same nonense, all assuming that, like gods of fate, they're slowly killing off the object of their hatred. 

Some of them have constructed some rather fancy fantasies for themselves.

Certainly, if a company does something you do not like, vote with your wallet. I encourage that.

Hell, I do it by only buying used CDs and only seeking out local indie music (which in turn deprives the RIAA cartel of their vig), not buying any product made by Sony or EA, and suchlike.

What you don't hear me do is bitch and moan, or construct fantastic convolutions about it on the Internet. If asked by friends, I simply explain why, then let them decide for themselves. 

Quote - I apologise for any offense which my earlier response may have caused. Mods please feel free to delete my previous message .

Well, I certainly wasn't offended.  I thought it was a humorous response to over the top speechifying.  I am constantly amazed at where the line is drawn.

Klebnor

This thread has gone on long enough and has gotten off topic quite a few time.