... from up here. "Here" being the 204m (669ft) high panorama room of the Fernsehturm (television tower) in East-Berlin. One of the highlights of my visit to Berlin. Most of my time there was spent at what Americans call an "adult entertainment convention", resulting in about 9000 pictures and a sore trigger finger.

However interesting the convention was, it would be a shame to remain locked up at the convention without visiting what is probably the most important city of the 20th century. Some of most important turning points of history all took place right here : the rise and fall of the Third Reich, the beginning and the end of the cold war, ...

Where the western part redeveloped not unlike any other city in West-Germany after being bombed to rubble in WWII the eastern part developed in its own particular Moscow-inspired way and became the capital of a country that no longer exists, East-Germany.

And that is what interested me most, to search and find whatever remains of that former country. And after 42 years the before mentioned television tower is probably still the most important achievement of a true democratic state of peasants and workers.

And what does it have to do with poser...???

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The television tower. Notic the cross-shaped reflection. Volksgenosse Honecker (the big boss) was not amused when this feature was discovered.

But what does any of it have to do with poser??

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Nice shot of the fountain could do with out the soulless ideallogic propaganda

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So is that TTFN or TANSTAAFL?

Exactly, it's just a thinly disguised political rant that the mods should remove pretty soon I would think..

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Fixer? you back on staff?

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And what does it have to do with poser...???

If you would ever have visited my freebie thread you would know.

Let's continue ...

This visit was also mentioned to collect inspiration and information for a new batch of freebies with the DDR (German Democratic Republic) as theme. Including the already often mentioned television tower (of which teasers appeared in my freebie thread), Checkpoint Charlie, the Wall, Palast der Republik, etc ... Some of those freebies may require a second visit to Berlin (same time next year) but others are already in the works.

And since nobody ever consults my freebie thread - as proven by the impatient Volksgenosse above - I thought it wise to mention it here before and guide you to that thread :

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2817948&page=4

A WBS70/5 is almost finished. You figure it out what that is ...

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And what does it have to do with poser...???

Actually it was a question, maybe you should learn the distinction between the two.

While you're at it, take a look at the forum rules about posting political crap in the forums..

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Cofiwch Dryweryn.

Someone actually thinks East Germany was a "true democratic state of peasants and workers?"

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could do with out the soulless ideallogic propaganda

Allow me some irony : 26 years ago as a soldier I was based in Western Germany, standing guard against the "communist threat". As part of the Western Defence System I wasn't even allowed to visit East-Berlin or any other place on the other side of the Iron Curtain. And now I just walk around there like any other tourist and try to consider the situation from the "enemy's" point of view.

Please keep this thread friendly. Thanks :)

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thats no tower.. it's a death ray!

Reflection : If you mean my model : no. It is already complicated enough to get the sphere WITH INTERIOR (panorama and restaurant floors) right.

But first I have to finish the WBS70/5.

For those who know the place : the "death ray" picture was taken from Warschauer Strasse near the S-Bahn station.

I wonder if it could be done withan anisotropic node like BB did with his nylon tights shader...

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One associates socialist architecture with either impossibly heavy neoclassic buildings like the proposed Palace of Soviets of Moscow or drab parallelepipeds but it was not always that way: e.g. see the Tbilisi Roads Ministry Building or the Friendship Sanitorium in Yalta. The shape of the second building is so strange that CIA (having only access to satellite photos) kept considering it some kind of secret military installation.

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I'm glad that this thread was unlocked. All I saw was someone who went to Germany on vacation and brought back pictures and posted them. I saw no "politics" or other "propaganda".

Yes, what happened in history is a bad thing, but we all need to leave it in the past where it belongs and the only thing we need to carry forward is what we can learn from it so that it never happens again. All of this hositility whenever a picture is posted is just sad :(

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Thank you, Darthj. While i have no love for the so-called DDR, I can appreciate your posts. Not everyone here demands a rigid conformity, and some of us are willing to bear with a poster and see what they have to say, whether it's 100% poser related or not.

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Quote - I'm glad that this thread was unlocked. All I saw was someone who went to Germany on vacation and brought back pictures and posted them. I saw no "politics" or other "propaganda".

Yes, what happened in history is a bad thing, but we all need to leave it in the past where it belongs and the only thing we need to carry forward is what we can learn from it so that it never happens again. All of this hositility whenever a picture is posted is just sad :(

There were political rants included, they were removed by a mod, I have the proof in my inbox if you would like to see it..

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Quote - > Quote - I'm glad that this thread was unlocked. All I saw was someone who went to Germany on vacation and brought back pictures and posted them. I saw no "politics" or other "propaganda".

Yes, what happened in history is a bad thing, but we all need to leave it in the past where it belongs and the only thing we need to carry forward is what we can learn from it so that it never happens again. All of this hositility whenever a picture is posted is just sad :(

There were political rants included, they were removed by a mod, I have the proof in my inbox if you would like to see it..

Really a bad disease, helping others. I too suffer from this nasty problem. You offer stuff/help/information, your are punished for it, wow to never again waste your time with those filthy critters known as human beings and then, after a while, you fall again into this trap. Helping others is like alcoholism: you are never really free of it; it is a life time struggle. I really envy sociopaths: they lack empathy and therefore are immune to this disease.

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Quote - And what does it have to do with poser...???

What does half of the threads in this forum have to do with Poser anyway? Don't see anyone complain about those. I clearly see what this has to do with Poser..... after all the people in the first photograph are POSING for the photo :-)

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Alexcoppo, the opening post was an image and arant about the Nazi's..ergo a political rant, some of which has been removed by a mod.

I asked a really easy question to which no reply came, just another political rant..

If the OP had answered the question initially all the problems would not have arisen..

You'll also note I'm not the only one making a comment about the political dogma being posted..

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I wonder if it could be done withan anisotropic node like BB did with his nylon tights shader...

One problem you will face is that the "cross" effect is actually caused by the particular shape of the metal sheets with elevated triangles which cover the sphere. A feature I will not be able to reproduce.

BTW those sheets were made in WEST-Germany, the elevators are Swedish and the glass is Belgian. All specialised items that couldn't be made in the DDR. And had to be paid in "hard" western cash, which contributed to the construction budget going way overboard.

The 2 "rings" below the sphere are escape platforms.

If a post has been removed, bringing it up over and over will not fare much better.

Can we please go back to the post at hand? We welcome off topic posting within reason, and I can't see a member of the community posting about his or her vacation to be a bad thing. If you do not like a thread, you do not have to read/comment on it.

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If the OP had answered the question initially all the problems would not have arisen..

From the blunt, rude nature of your question it was obvious that you were not looking for a positive contribution to this thread and apparently you still aren't.

If you don't like this thread just leave.

It was a question, nothing more, if you'd answered it and clarified why you were posting about the nazis and communists, the whole thing would have ended there, but you chose not to..

That is your failing, not mine..

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Quote - If you do not like a thread, you do not have to read/comment on it.

^^^^^

This.

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That's quite enough. Like Jen said thefixer if you don't like the thread you don't have to read.

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@JenX, the OP just made a direct comment to me, I have every right to respond..

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Cofiwch Dryweryn.

See above kimberleyC.

A direct post was made to me, I have every right to respond to that post, which I have..

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Gwynn, you've been told by two of us to drop it. If you'd like to take it to sitemail, you are free to do so.

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@JenX, I was called blunt and rude for qasking a question, according to your own rules that is a personal attack yet you prefer to go after me for asking the original question..

I have not attacked anyone, I just asked a question..

I guess some people are more equal than others here..

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Gwynn, if you would please send screenshots to either of us, we'll take care of it. All I've seen is that DarthJ called you "unfriendly", but that's about it. If that's your attack complaint, we'll take it under advisement and discuss it.

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From the blunt, rude nature of your question

And please don't address me by my name in the forums, my name is for use by people that know me or are my friends, you don't come into either category..

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Cofiwch Dryweryn.

You're grasping at straws. Calling your statement blunt or rude is not, in fact, calling you rude.

Fine. I will do my best to address you by your screenname from here on in.

Again, if you would like to address this with Darth J, please do so via sitemail.

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Not all Russian architecture is crap and I don't mean modern (shudder..) When I was in China I saw some unbelievable beautiful streets in Shanghai that was reconstructed 19th century architecture. I think they have done something similar in Moscow too. I am always on the lookout for buildings that can act as inspiration for fantasy/game environment, must look outside the box.

for the love of gawd fixer, would you PLEASE let it GO?!! All you're doing is derailing the thread while others are trying to participate. All your fucking ranting isn't going to change anything nor help matters. Stop, please. I can barely keep up with the rest of the thread.

Laurie

Quote - Not all Russian architecture is crap and I don't mean modern (shudder..) When I was in China I saw some unbelievable beautiful streets in Shanghai that was reconstructed 19th century architecture. I think they have done something similar in Moscow too. I am always on the lookout for buildings that can act as inspiration for fantasy/game environment, must look outside the box.

Nice model. I like :).

Laurie

A typical 1980s living room, recreated in the DDR museum. The ceiling height should be 2.80m. As everywhere else in that museum you are allowed to interact with the items (there is someone sitting on the couch) and if you open the drawer you find even more information. The cupboard is probably from the "Carat" series because there wasn't much else. To the left is the hatch to the kitchen.

Even I have some bookshelves made in the DDR. The country was always in need of "hard" foreign currency, hence they exported much of their production, at the same time depriving their own population from those products.

And this is the kitchen. Yes, that's all of it, I' m standing as far as the opposite wall allows.

Now before anyone asks what this has to do with Poser :

a typical Plattenbau interior is also in the works. Consider it more educational than a Poser toy.

With this interior I could include the whole modular range of Carat furniture parts since I have a document with all the necessary measurements.

Then you would have some puzzling time trying to fit in the furniture into the cramped rooms. Many East-Germans played this "game" for real.

Check my freebie thread to find out which ideas are being realised.

Love the pictures Darth. I couldn't function in that kitchen though! Way too little, hehe But it does look homey.

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My camper has a bigger kitchen than that!! Is that a pass through to the dining room I am seeing behing the counter? I would hate to see what the rest of the apratment looks like! Great pictures DarthJ I have done a lot of traveling but most of it has been to Japan, the middle east and England. I haven't seen to much of Eurpoe so I do appreicte you showing some of the architechture from the former DDR. Looking forward to seeing more pictures from your trip.

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Is that a pass through to the dining room I am seeing behind the counter?

Yes, with some creative refurbishing the building became more spacious.

A typical apartment was (and is) 6m wide by 12 m deep. There are houses with* rooms* larger than that.

On the positive side the rent including services was incredibly low.

I would hate to see what the rest of the apartment looks like!

Eh, don't look at the picture above then. Note that this is only a recreation in a museum but the size of the room is about right ! There is a real apartment in the suburb of Hellersdorf that has been refurbished as in the 70s but I didn't get that far.

edit : here is a link to the DDR museum in Berlin (in English) :

http://www.ddr-museum.de/en/

LOL That isn't much bigger than a class A motor home! Is the shower hidden behind the wall or is what you see what you get for the bathroom? At least it wouldn't take much time or effort to keep it clean! LMAO! Again thanks for sharing.

They didn't recreate the bathroom in the museum. Above is a typical plan of such an apartment. One where bathroom and toilet are not separated, as written before many variations were possible.

Cool thanks for the floor plan. So the tub/shower would be behind the wall. Talk about a minimalist appartment! I guess when the government furnishes everything there is no room for extras. Thanks for the history lesson and a look at a part of history I never would have otherwise been able to see.

If you think that the DDR apartment is small, please check the japanese capsule hotels (currently, due to recession, they are also used as "normal" houses). Good training for the wooden version we will be in someday.

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I guess when the government furnishes everything there is no room for extras

Not at all, as already written these apartments offered a lot of luxuries unheard of before : central heating, bathroom, indoor toilet, etc. There were always long waiting lists of people wanting to rent one of these apartments

And above is a 1970s edition of the Wohnraum Fibel, for many years standard reading about interior decoration in the DDR. Not different from any western book of that period, not considering the mandatory snear at western decadence.

I prefer this original documentation while it's "down to facts and figures", modern books about East-German subjects dwell too often into (n)ostalgia. Besides the book there are a few pages with cut-out models and drawing paper to start planning before dragging around real furniture. With all the measurements you need.

And as a bonus I even got the original bill (Rechnung) from 1977.

The mandatory piece of propaganda :

The paragraph about size and cost of West-German houses described as "palaces" .

West-Germans trying to lure East-Germans to their side with luxuries was a recurring theme of East-German propaganda though in this paragraph the complaint is that even the wealthier average Western worker couldn't afford such luxury.

Quote - One associates socialist architecture with either impossibly heavy neoclassic buildings like the proposed Palace of Soviets of Moscow or drab parallelepipeds but it was not always that way: e.g. see the Tbilisi Roads Ministry Building or the Friendship Sanitorium in Yalta. The shape of the second building is so strange that CIA (having only access to satellite photos) kept considering it some kind of secret military installation.

Or of course, the Glorious Peoples Republic of the North Pole, as scene in that fine documentary of Socialist Life "Polar Express".

Quote - Schon bei einer kleinen Wohnung verschlingt allein die Miete einen so erheblichen Teil vom Durchschnittsverdienst eines normalen Arbeiters oder angestellten in Westdeutschland, daß viele andere wichtige Bedürfnisse zurücktreten müssen.

And the sad message is that parts of this today have become regular truth. With rents and additional costs for normal flats eating up more than 50 % of the family income ...

B.t.w. that appartment blueprint is not such far from layouts also in western germany. My own flat is having 80 m², so a bit bigger but with some similar order. But it's not a Plattenbau !!!!!!!!!!!!! :thumbupboth:

"Plattenbau" refers to a system of construction with pre-fabricated plates which wasn't and isn't restricted to the DDR. If your house was constructed in a similar way then it IS a local variaton of Plattenbau ... :lol:

> Quote - The television tower. Notic the cross-shaped reflection. Volksgenosse Honecker (the big boss) was not amused when this feature was discovered.

That cross reflection is amazing. I have tried to reproduce it. I'm using a procedural shader with displacement, so I can instantly try lots of different pyramid shapes and aspect ratios. I have tried bending them every which way and I cannot get such a distinct cross as seen in the photo. Attached is the best I was able to do.

In my opinion, that was no accident. It seems like finding the exact geometry needed to produce that effect was a planned action.

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That's a better shader than I could ever produce. Do you mind sharing the settings ? I would like to use it for my freebie. With due credits of course.

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In my opinion, that was no accident. It seems like finding the exact geometry needed to produce that effect was a planned action.

Very possible. The architects were not invited at the opening ceremony but that wouldn't have been their only punishment if those in power had suspected the effect was planned.

Above : the antenna, about 115m (377ft) high. The crane on the right was used during construction and left up there.

The warning light on top was red during the DDR period, then changed to white after the reunification. Now it's back to red.

Quote - I would hate to see what the rest of the apartment looks like!

Eh, don't look at the picture above then. Note that this is only a recreation in a museum but the size of the room is about right

OMG! I can't imagine anyone being able to fit into that squishy place to sit on the toilet! LOL

I'd have to call fire rescue to come unstick me!!!

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I found this image from Wikipedia which hints at the trick. The surface is highly polished (tight reflection pattern) and the little pyramids have 4 sides flat surfaces which is going to create a four sided symmetrical pattern with, again, a tight reflection beam. Overall, it is not different from the idea behind the F-117 structure: create very narrow radar reflections pointing away from the transmitter antenna (great idea... until confronted with bistatic radars).

I think that this effect is just the consequence of designing a simple and highly repetive structure and the usual german penchant for mechanical perfection, not of some hidden scheme by the designers. Pareidolia and political propaganda did the rest.

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Quote - > Quote - I would hate to see what the rest of the apartment looks like!

Eh, don't look at the picture above then. Note that this is only a recreation in a museum but the size of the room is about right

OMG! I can't imagine anyone being able to fit into that squishy place to sit on the toilet! LOL

I'd have to call fire rescue to come unstick me!!!

Well i grew up in the 60ies in an apartment at roughly that size. 68m2 is considered quite spacious for apartments here (and that's in Denmark, western Europe and all) The place I grew up was BIG. 72m2. It was a large apartment. 3 rooms (living room, dining room, bedroom (+ a kitchen and a bathroom)

So I find it amusing how many here think this place is "cramped"

the bathroom is bigger than what was in my grandmother's apartment (that one was hardly bigger than a closet, there wasn't even room for a sink) - it is not just an eastern european thing, this. the big difference is that Eastern Europe stayed at the "1930" style of building and doing things. It'slike a time machine :)

I've never seen that cross on the Fehrnseeturm before. Interesting. And most likely made quite deliberately :)

My youngest kid has just been in Berlin this whole week with her school. I'll ask her if she noticed the cross :) (or rather whether or not they were told about it - all SHE notices is probably the shopping areas ;) she's a teenager after all...)

A teenager on a shopping-spree in Berlin and she doesn't even have to worry about changing money : simply insert your Danish debit card with "Maestro" function in a German ATM and out come the Euros.

:scared:

Only the fact that the shopping precincts are widespread and probably she won't be able to reach them all will save you from bankruptcy.

I hope at least she buys something for you too ...

Quote - A teenager on a shopping-spree in Berlin and she doesn't even have to worry about changing money : simply insert your Danish debit card with "Maestro" function in a German ATM and out come the Euros.

:scared:

Only the fact that the shopping precincts are widespread and probably she won't be able to reach them all will save you from bankruptcy.

I hope at least she buys something for you too ...

Hehe we sent her off with Euro notes. It's much easier than having to calculate what something is in DKK. If she has 10 Euro and something costs 9.99 well then it's cheap enough L

(and we sent her off with .. uhm apparently too much money, because she phoned home today asking if she was allowed to use the surplus on some shirt she'd seen O.o (dear me she had almost €200 for this week as pocket money and she has SPENT them? She BETTER bring me that Ampelmann-cap I requested - I had one and it broke.. well the clasp at the back broke.. kinda hard to break a cap L)

Heh are we getting totally OT or what L

Quote - 68m2 is considered quite spacious for apartments here (and that's in Denmark, western Europe and all) The place I grew up was BIG. 72m2. It was a large apartment. 3 rooms (living room, dining room, bedroom (+ a kitchen and a bathroom) So I find it amusing how many here think this place is "cramped"

My 1 bedroom apartment is 950 square feet, which is about 88.3 square meters. My It is considered very large for a 1 bedroom, and it is larger than some houses here too.

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Quote - quote :

Is that a pass through to the dining room I am seeing behind the counter?

Yes, with some creative refurbishing the building became more spacious.

A typical apartment was (and is) 6m wide by 12 m deep. There are houses with* rooms* larger than that.

On the positive side the rent including services was incredibly low.

I'm amazed that there are people who think those dimensions represent some sort of extreme deprivation.

That square footage will get you $200,00 CAD here easily (Victoria, BC). It's about average for a one bedroom apartment or condo, and will rent for about $750 - $1500 a month.

Where is everyone else living that they can afford so much more spacious accomodations, I wonder? ;)

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I live in a place with hubby that's about 900 square feet. Got plenty of room. Room enough to avoid each other in...lmao.

Just kidding - sorta

Laurie

Quote - Where is everyone else living that they can afford so much more spacious accomodations, I wonder? ;)

I'm in Winnipeg Canada. The highest taxed province in Canada, west of Quebec. Our cost of living is atrocious here.

However, rents here are widely varied. In the more rundown areas, a 1 bedroom will run about $500 to $600. And a 2 bedroom maybe $650 to $700 per month.

In other areas 1 bedrooms go for $700 to $850 per month.

In my area a 1 bedrrom typically is around $800 to $1,000 per month.

I'm currently paying $775 for my 950 sq ft 1 bedroom. The building is under rennovation and once it's completely done, 1 bedrooms will be around $900 per month and 2 bedrooms will be $1100.00 per month. No balcony, no air conditioning, coin operated laundry on each floor, no insuite storage and parking extra (only outdoor parking). Plus you pay your own hydro and cable. Heat and water is included in the rent.

Of course there are exceptions to the rule. Less than a mile west of me is a very affluent area. A 2 bedroom I looked at was $1500 per month, and that is cheap for that area. I think it was about 1100 sq feet.

Some apartments include all utilities except for cable and phone. While others don't include anything except for water. Having to pay your own utilities really adds up. One place I lived in cost me about $100 per month just in hydro because I had an electric hot water heater. If I had to pay for the heat on top of that the price would have more than doubled in the winter time. And if there had been AC, it would have doubled in the summer too.

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able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
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Yeah, I don't think it's so much as "rich" as it is...we're used to space, LOL. That, and we're addicted to BIG THINGS, so small apartments make us feel cramped.

The smallest place I've ever lived was a studio. It wasn't tiny, and I don't remember the square footage, but, the CLOSET was huge. I used that as my bedroom, lol. Just put a mattress on the floor and go ;) I had nice, open spaces, though, lol. The kitchen was a little small, but, it's not like, at 18, I was cooking much for myself anyway :P

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Quote - That's a better shader than I could ever produce. Do you mind sharing the settings ? I would like to use it for my freebie. With due credits of course.

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How big are you going to make this towere - Poser life size? Because I was testing on a sphere less than 10 feet across.

Also I want to do a better job and make the windows and the little groupings of pyramids.

When you have that part modeled, let me know. You'll want to UV map the sphere using spherical coordinates. It should work just like my Env Sphere. U goes 0 to 1 around, and V goes 0 to 1 vertically. Whether or not you include the imaginary remainder of the core of the sphere in the UV map is up to you. I suppose it would be easier for me if you made the side fully 0 to 1, but it will work just as well as long as I know precisely where the boundaries of V are.

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The real sphere has a diameter of 32m. I would first make a 1/10th model because life size it is difficult to handle in Poser.

As for UV mapping, you've got me completely lost. The program I use (a house creator!) allows me to size the textures, then it automatically does its own mapping. For instance I can set a square size, allowing seamless tiled textures or a size identical to the object for example a poster. Or set no texture at all, then the object remains unmapped when exported. Though until now I only worked on rectangular surfaces. The sphere, part of a minimal modeler within the program is new to me.

I haven't really worked out yet how to do the sphere as it should include a minimal interior for the 2 floors visible through the glazing. It should consist of 3 main sections, the upper and lower section being the closed parts of the sphere, using your shader and the middle section representing the 2 glazed floors. To begin with I should try to find out how many windows there are exactly.

I could construct the parts in the aforementioned modeler but as this modeler lacks precision the assembly should be done in Poser. In all a very complicated model that would be almost as great an achievement as the real thing. It would probably also take as long to build as the real thing, about 3 years.

The mapping I was talking about is called Equirectangular.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equirectangular_projection

You want to model the windows? I suppose you could, but I thought you'd be taking a sphere, already UV mapped for equirectangular projection, removing the top and bottom caps, and that's it. The shader would create the illusion of all the pyramids and of the windows. No detail is necessary at all. Should be about 90 seconds to model. Maybe you want to bevel the cap cutouts.

If you want to place a couple floors inside, that would be fine, but nobody can see in there anyway.

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You understand that if the UV mapping is not ultra precise, the texture will have one or more seams. That's why I suggested equirectangular.

This is no ordinary tile we're dealing with, like a square full of grass or something. Each unit has to be exactly one pyramid, and we can't have a fraction of a pyramid somewhere.

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This is the sphere in Poser. The upper and lower parts share the same material. A basic "tile" shader has been applied to that part. If fits neatly. The hollow midsection has been made semi-transparent, this could later be used as the (gold-dusted) glazing. A separate model of the interior will be inserted there. I might even leave the outside transparent in order to make the inside more visible. All that I can handle. What is still needed is your shader settings to experiment with.

Something new in the freebie section of this thread :

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2817948&page=4

A real example ...

Here's the pyramid shader. Remove the .txt when downloading.

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Thank You. In the DDR you would have been rewarded with the National Prize of East-Germany (for scientific achievements).

Now it's a matter of making the model worthy of that shader. Should take some time, the deadline is September 2012 though.

Some experimenting with the settings I understand, reduced the height of the pyramids and cranked up the reflection.

You're welcome. That shader is fun to use on other things as well.

The parameters are:

PM:Pyramids (vertically) - how many pyramids per unit of V texture coordinate.

PM:Aspect Ratio (H/W) - the ratio of height versus width of the pyramid in UV space. For spheres you want it near 2. I noticed in the real photo that they were not square, so I used 2.2.

PM:Pyramid Height (inch) - how far the peak sticks out, in inches

PM:Bias (Curves faces) - .5 is neutral and makes flat sides. Values above .5 (up to 1) will bow the sides outward. Values below .5 (down to 0) will curve the sides inward towards the base.

Here I applied it to Andy using:

Pyramids=20

Aspect Ratio = 2

Height = 1

Bias = .25

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Quote - In the DDR you would have been rewarded with the National Prize of East-Germany (for scientific achievements).

It doesn't sound as badassed as the equivalent russian award of Hero of Socialist Labour :thumbupboth:.

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East-Germany knew "Heroes of Labour" too . Weird, for an "anti-militarist" state most of the medals, orders and rewards were given for military achievements.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders,_decorations,_and_medals_of_East_Germany

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