arrow1 opened this issue on Oct 12, 2011 · 68 posts
arrow1 posted Wed, 12 October 2011 at 5:46 PM
Got an email this morning telling me that a free upgrade to Vue 10 is available for me to download due to my maintenance plan.Cheers
Custom built computer 128 gigs RAM,4 Terabyte hard drive, NVIDIA RTX 4060 TI 16 GIG Gig,12 TH Generation Intel i9, Dual LG Screens, 0/S Windows 11, networked to a Special 12th Generation intel I9, RTX 3060 12 Gig, Windows 11,64 gigs RAM, Dual Phillips Screens, 2 Terabyte SSD Hard Drive plus 1 Terabyte Hard Drive,3rd Computer intel i7,128 gigs ram, Graphics Card NVIDIA RTX 3060 Gig,1 Terabyte Hard Drive, OS Windows 11 64 Bit Dual Samsung Syncmaster 226bw Screens.Plus INFINITY Laptop 64 Bit,64 gigs RAM.Intel i9 chip.Windows 11 Pro and Ultimate. 4 x 2 Terrabyte Hard Drives and 2 x 2 Terrabyte external USB Hard drives. All Posers from 4 to Poser 2010 and 2012, 2014. Poser 11 and 12, 13, Hexagon 2.5 64 Bit, Carrara 8.5 Pro 64 bit, Adobe Photoshop CS4 Creative Production Suite. Adobe Photoshop CC 2024, Vue 10 and 10.5 Infinite Vue 11 14.5 Infinite plus Vue 15 and 16 Infinite, Vue 2023 and 2024, Plant Catologue, DAZ Studio 4.23, iClone 7 with 3DXchange and Character Creator 3, Nikon D3 Camera with several lenses. Nikon Z 6 ii and Z5. 180-600mm lens, 24-70 mm lens with adapter.Just added 2x 2 Terrabyte portable hard drives.
alexcoppo posted Wed, 12 October 2011 at 7:24 PM
More details here.
GIMP 2.7.4, Inkscape 0.48, Genetica 3.6 Basic, FilterForge 3 Professional, Blender 2.61, SketchUp 8, PoserPro 2012, Vue 10 Infinite, World Machine 2.3, GeoControl 2
estherau posted Wed, 12 October 2011 at 7:43 PM
I have Xstream and also got that email. but when I installed the earliest version of xstream it allowed me to instal pluggin to was R11 and I only have R10. maybe the end of my Xstreaming days.
Love esther
I aim to update it about once a month. Oh, and it's free!
Mazak posted Wed, 12 October 2011 at 9:07 PM
ShawnDriscoll posted Thu, 13 October 2011 at 12:42 AM
I'm waiting for the full release in November. I like the sound of the faster rendering and improved DOF.
arrow1 posted Thu, 13 October 2011 at 1:48 AM
It's not too bad so far.I imported a Poser Pro 2010 animation.It imported quite swiftly and rendered with reasonable speed. The preview animated render is a bit quirky but comes right in a while! Cheers
Custom built computer 128 gigs RAM,4 Terabyte hard drive, NVIDIA RTX 4060 TI 16 GIG Gig,12 TH Generation Intel i9, Dual LG Screens, 0/S Windows 11, networked to a Special 12th Generation intel I9, RTX 3060 12 Gig, Windows 11,64 gigs RAM, Dual Phillips Screens, 2 Terabyte SSD Hard Drive plus 1 Terabyte Hard Drive,3rd Computer intel i7,128 gigs ram, Graphics Card NVIDIA RTX 3060 Gig,1 Terabyte Hard Drive, OS Windows 11 64 Bit Dual Samsung Syncmaster 226bw Screens.Plus INFINITY Laptop 64 Bit,64 gigs RAM.Intel i9 chip.Windows 11 Pro and Ultimate. 4 x 2 Terrabyte Hard Drives and 2 x 2 Terrabyte external USB Hard drives. All Posers from 4 to Poser 2010 and 2012, 2014. Poser 11 and 12, 13, Hexagon 2.5 64 Bit, Carrara 8.5 Pro 64 bit, Adobe Photoshop CS4 Creative Production Suite. Adobe Photoshop CC 2024, Vue 10 and 10.5 Infinite Vue 11 14.5 Infinite plus Vue 15 and 16 Infinite, Vue 2023 and 2024, Plant Catologue, DAZ Studio 4.23, iClone 7 with 3DXchange and Character Creator 3, Nikon D3 Camera with several lenses. Nikon Z 6 ii and Z5. 180-600mm lens, 24-70 mm lens with adapter.Just added 2x 2 Terrabyte portable hard drives.
alexcoppo posted Thu, 13 October 2011 at 1:58 AM
Support for 2012?
GIMP 2.7.4, Inkscape 0.48, Genetica 3.6 Basic, FilterForge 3 Professional, Blender 2.61, SketchUp 8, PoserPro 2012, Vue 10 Infinite, World Machine 2.3, GeoControl 2
Mazak posted Thu, 13 October 2011 at 4:03 AM
Mazak posted Thu, 13 October 2011 at 4:06 AM
Mazak posted Thu, 13 October 2011 at 4:11 AM
Mazak posted Thu, 13 October 2011 at 4:24 AM
Mazak posted Thu, 13 October 2011 at 4:27 AM
Mazak posted Thu, 13 October 2011 at 4:29 AM
Mazak posted Thu, 13 October 2011 at 4:36 AM
Mazak posted Thu, 13 October 2011 at 4:40 AM
Mazak posted Thu, 13 October 2011 at 5:46 AM
Mazak posted Thu, 13 October 2011 at 5:51 AM
bruno021 posted Thu, 13 October 2011 at 6:28 AM
Esther, C4D R10 is really old now, and lacks so many great functionalities, And I guess the code could not allow enhencements we've seen in R12, and now R13.
alexcoppo posted Thu, 13 October 2011 at 7:26 AM
Dear Mazak, I see that you changed your first impression, did you :biggrin:? It is a really significant release.
GIMP 2.7.4, Inkscape 0.48, Genetica 3.6 Basic, FilterForge 3 Professional, Blender 2.61, SketchUp 8, PoserPro 2012, Vue 10 Infinite, World Machine 2.3, GeoControl 2
Mazak posted Thu, 13 October 2011 at 7:45 AM
Quote - Dear Mazak, I see that you changed your first impression, did you :biggrin:? It is a really significant release.
I updated from Vue 9.5, so the new features are not so significant.
The new Spline Tool is great, but I wish I had this 10 releases before already. New Rocks with displacement material is nice, but you can do this before easy. Support for PPro2012 is a fix and nothing new. New feature list is quite small, that is my statement. :mellow:
Mazak
bruno021 posted Thu, 13 October 2011 at 8:19 AM
New rocks are huge improvement over the low poly rocks we've had for so long. Splines are a great new tool, and not just for raods, for geometry, to add effects to terrains, and to create new styles of ecosystems.
Just playing around with the new physical model for water, looks promising.
Mazak posted Thu, 13 October 2011 at 8:36 AM
ATM I play with the new example scenes.
Mazak
Mazak posted Thu, 13 October 2011 at 8:37 AM
Mazak posted Thu, 13 October 2011 at 8:37 AM
Mazak posted Thu, 13 October 2011 at 8:38 AM
Rids posted Thu, 13 October 2011 at 12:27 PM
Looks like I'll have some nice new features to play with when they put it on sale in a year's time :laugh:
Mari-Anne posted Thu, 13 October 2011 at 1:00 PM
I'm having a terrible time downloading Vue 10 Infinite. The first time, part 1 downloaded but timed out during part 2. The second time, I got an error message for part 1 immediately. The third time, both parts seemed to have downloaded but finally ended up with this error message:
Error when extracting Vue 10 Infinite Installation archive file:Input file error
Does anyone have a clue?
ShawnDriscoll posted Thu, 13 October 2011 at 1:13 PM
Wait a few days when the server is not bogged down.
arrow1 posted Thu, 13 October 2011 at 7:11 PM
I asked e-on about the extra's CD. They say to use the Vue 9 or 9.5 extras as there will not be any till final release in November.Cheers
Custom built computer 128 gigs RAM,4 Terabyte hard drive, NVIDIA RTX 4060 TI 16 GIG Gig,12 TH Generation Intel i9, Dual LG Screens, 0/S Windows 11, networked to a Special 12th Generation intel I9, RTX 3060 12 Gig, Windows 11,64 gigs RAM, Dual Phillips Screens, 2 Terabyte SSD Hard Drive plus 1 Terabyte Hard Drive,3rd Computer intel i7,128 gigs ram, Graphics Card NVIDIA RTX 3060 Gig,1 Terabyte Hard Drive, OS Windows 11 64 Bit Dual Samsung Syncmaster 226bw Screens.Plus INFINITY Laptop 64 Bit,64 gigs RAM.Intel i9 chip.Windows 11 Pro and Ultimate. 4 x 2 Terrabyte Hard Drives and 2 x 2 Terrabyte external USB Hard drives. All Posers from 4 to Poser 2010 and 2012, 2014. Poser 11 and 12, 13, Hexagon 2.5 64 Bit, Carrara 8.5 Pro 64 bit, Adobe Photoshop CS4 Creative Production Suite. Adobe Photoshop CC 2024, Vue 10 and 10.5 Infinite Vue 11 14.5 Infinite plus Vue 15 and 16 Infinite, Vue 2023 and 2024, Plant Catologue, DAZ Studio 4.23, iClone 7 with 3DXchange and Character Creator 3, Nikon D3 Camera with several lenses. Nikon Z 6 ii and Z5. 180-600mm lens, 24-70 mm lens with adapter.Just added 2x 2 Terrabyte portable hard drives.
estherau posted Fri, 14 October 2011 at 7:32 AM
to be honest I only bought C4D because of sketch and toon and was really disappointed at the results - the handling of transparencies, all the adjustments i would need to make, to make one toon panel etc. I also thought I could toon some really nice city scenes as at the time there were no other city scenes for poser etc. Now there is a lot more options I am not sure I really need C4D anymore. I hardly opened it for months. I tried my hand at a few morphs and it was fun, but not something I wanted to spend hours on as I want to spend hours making pics and making stories.
So I guess this might be the end of my xstream days unless they make xstream so vue can render inside poser. well it used to crash more often than not anyway. (vue in C4D)
Love esther
I aim to update it about once a month. Oh, and it's free!
Mazak posted Fri, 14 October 2011 at 5:18 PM
Attached Link: http://www.e-onsoftware.com/resources/vue10/Vue_10_Prerelease_Reference_Manual.zip
e-on has released a pre-release reference manual:http://www.e-onsoftware.com/resources/vue10/Vue_10_Prerelease_Reference_Manual.zip
Here is some extra information about Vue 10 infinite / xStream
xStream compatibility:
Vue 10 xStream is compatible with the following host applications and renderer:
[Mac & PC]
Mazak
Mazak posted Fri, 14 October 2011 at 5:24 PM
Copy the pdf to aplication folder: e-on softwareVue 10 InfiniteDocumentation and Vue10 will find the reference manual (F1)
Mazak
alexcoppo posted Fri, 14 October 2011 at 5:57 PM
With Firefox 400 Bad Request, with Chrome all OK...
Thank you a lot, Mazak!
GIMP 2.7.4, Inkscape 0.48, Genetica 3.6 Basic, FilterForge 3 Professional, Blender 2.61, SketchUp 8, PoserPro 2012, Vue 10 Infinite, World Machine 2.3, GeoControl 2
Mazak posted Fri, 14 October 2011 at 6:05 PM
estherau posted Fri, 14 October 2011 at 6:06 PM
I can't find that reference manual from within or without vue 10. where did you get the pdf?
Love esther
I aim to update it about once a month. Oh, and it's free!
Mazak posted Fri, 14 October 2011 at 6:14 PM
estherau posted Fri, 14 October 2011 at 6:29 PM
sorry - didn't notice that bit. the link doesn't work but the URL below it does. Getting it now. thanks!
Love esther
I aim to update it about once a month. Oh, and it's free!
Mazak posted Fri, 14 October 2011 at 6:36 PM
Attached Link: http://www.e-onsoftware.com/resources/vue10/Vue_10_Prerelease_Reference_Manual.zip
I am glad it work for you.
Right click the link and save target as: work always. The e-on server has sometimes its blond moments.
Mazak
estherau posted Fri, 14 October 2011 at 6:44 PM
aha.
I was hoping there would be a car ecosystem for their new road.
Love esther
I aim to update it about once a month. Oh, and it's free!
estherau posted Fri, 14 October 2011 at 7:12 PM
Any ideas.
Love esther
I aim to update it about once a month. Oh, and it's free!
estherau posted Fri, 14 October 2011 at 7:14 PM
I aim to update it about once a month. Oh, and it's free!
Mazak posted Fri, 14 October 2011 at 7:24 PM
You have degrade your display settings to much. Go to General Preferences tab and reset the options to default. That should fix your display problems.
Mazak
Mazak posted Fri, 14 October 2011 at 7:28 PM
estherau posted Fri, 14 October 2011 at 7:38 PM
I aim to update it about once a month. Oh, and it's free!
estherau posted Fri, 14 October 2011 at 8:01 PM
I am on a mac and as you can see from my screen cap earlier I do not have the degraded mode options (that I can see) at the bottom left.
I aim to update it about once a month. Oh, and it's free!
Mazak posted Fri, 14 October 2011 at 8:13 PM
Mazak
estherau posted Fri, 14 October 2011 at 8:22 PM
I think I was hoping the main camera view would provide more accurate colours and details in preview mode. I am in main camera view same as you. And what you are seeing is similar to what I am seeing so I probably dont have a problem anymore.
Love esther
I aim to update it about once a month. Oh, and it's free!
JohnDoe641 posted Sat, 15 October 2011 at 12:04 AM
Can anyone tell me what version of python Vue10 is using? I'm hoping it's the same as Vue9.
Mazak posted Sat, 15 October 2011 at 6:07 AM
Quote - Can anyone tell me what version of python Vue10 is using? I'm hoping it's the same as Vue9.
Python 2.7 (r27:82500, Aug 10 2010, 18:04:25) from console.
Mazak
alexcoppo posted Sat, 15 October 2011 at 8:58 AM
Which is nearly the same version for Poser Pro 2012, Python 2.7.1 (r271:86832, Sep 8 2011, 14:03:05).
GIMP 2.7.4, Inkscape 0.48, Genetica 3.6 Basic, FilterForge 3 Professional, Blender 2.61, SketchUp 8, PoserPro 2012, Vue 10 Infinite, World Machine 2.3, GeoControl 2
JohnDoe641 posted Sat, 15 October 2011 at 8:20 PM
Quote - > Quote - Can anyone tell me what version of python Vue10 is using? I'm hoping it's the same as Vue9.
Python 2.7 (r27:82500, Aug 10 2010, 18:04:25) from console.
Mazak
I haven't noticed a console in Vue before, is that an Infinite/xstream only thing?
The reason I asked was my concern with the ability to use Skinvue 10 in Vue 9 when it's eventually released. Skinvue 9 wasn't compatable with Vue 8 due to different python versions and I am really hoping that's not going to be the case.
alexcoppo posted Sun, 16 October 2011 at 1:27 AM
All version can run Python scripts but, AFAIK, only Infinite can be used to develop them.
GIMP 2.7.4, Inkscape 0.48, Genetica 3.6 Basic, FilterForge 3 Professional, Blender 2.61, SketchUp 8, PoserPro 2012, Vue 10 Infinite, World Machine 2.3, GeoControl 2
nruddock posted Sun, 16 October 2011 at 4:43 AM
Quote - All version can run Python scripts but, AFAIK, only Infinite can be used to develop them.
All versions can run scripts obtained via the C3D store, only Infinite and XStream can run plain text PY files.
Mazak posted Sun, 16 October 2011 at 7:18 AM
SkinVue9 work on Vue10Infinite (PreRelease). No guarantee it run on Final release!
Mazak
Jonj1611 posted Sun, 16 October 2011 at 8:08 AM
Quote - > Quote - All version can run Python scripts but, AFAIK, only Infinite can be used to develop them.
All versions can run scripts obtained via the C3D store, only Infinite and XStream can run plain text PY files.
Indeed, if you can find any scripts, which you won't apart from one or two. Never ever understood why they removed being able to run any python script in anything less than Infinite.
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nruddock posted Sun, 16 October 2011 at 10:31 AM
Quote - Never ever understood why they removed being able to run any python script in anything less than Infinite.
Being able to run any script or create your own is one of the few features that distinguishes Infinite from Complete.
The only benefit from the way they setup the Python in the Artist editions is that everyone can now use SkinVue, which is pretty much the only script available via C3D.
ShawnDriscoll posted Mon, 17 October 2011 at 1:54 AM
Quote - SkinVue9 work on Vue10Infinite (PreRelease). No guarantee it run on Final release!
Mazak
That's odd. Because SkinVue 9 is broken in Vue Inf 9.5. Wetness was one of the features that didn't work.
Jonj1611 posted Mon, 17 October 2011 at 2:18 AM
Yeah I know nruddock, my point being that for something that is free like Python, crippling its functionality where it is free in many other applications is just penny pinching in my opinion.
And your right Skinvue is the only one that can use it.
What actually annoys me is where on the side by side comparisons of versions they make it sound as though there are scripts to buy, but there isn't just the one.
I can still use 6 Infinite to run Python scripts but would have preferred to be able to run them in newer versions of Vue too :(
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bruno021 posted Mon, 17 October 2011 at 2:42 AM
I suppose that if there are no scripts at Corn, it's because noone bothered to submit any. If you know people creating py scripts for Vue, you should strongly suggest they submit them at Corn (they would need to become a Cornucopia broker first, but it's a simple process).
Mazak posted Mon, 17 October 2011 at 4:49 AM
Attached Link: http://www.cornucopia3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13516
There is an Hotfix for Vue9 Skinvue9 at conucopia. I use it with Vue9.5/10 too.Mazak
ShawnDriscoll posted Mon, 17 October 2011 at 11:45 AM
Quote - Attached Link: http://www.cornucopia3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13516There is an Hotfix for Vue9 Skinvue9 at conucopia. I use it with Vue9.5/10 too.
Mazak
Read my post just below it.
nruddock posted Mon, 17 October 2011 at 2:19 PM
Quote - they would need to become a Cornucopia broker first, but it's a simple process.
Too much bother with paperwork just for freebies, and only necessary for if the scripts are to be usable in the Artist editions.
The fundemental drawback is that anyone writing scripts has no way to test them on the Artist editions, even if they had one or more of them as well as Infinite/XStream, so it's no surpise that the only brokered script is by someone who is (now) an Eon employee, and what free scripts there are are for Infinite/XStream only and hosted elsewhere.
Also using the C3D store to distribute free scripts, would be awkward from a licensing POV.
bruno021 posted Mon, 17 October 2011 at 4:17 PM
Not much paperwork, Noel, really.
But of course, they must draw a line somewhere between Artist/Pro versions. And it's a known fact that if you need to use py, you need a pro version. Before the split between Artist/pro, the highest Artist version was Pro Studio and there was no python in it, and no one complained. But then came Complete (which imho should include python).
If I were to compare the divide between Pro and Artist, Maxon did the same thing last year, and took away some features from lesser versions. They even took away Global illumination from the cheapest version. I found it really stupid. But they kept python. Vue kept GI, and took away python.
The bottom line is companies make choices, and we follow or we don't. It paid off for both companies, apparently, even if it left some users behind.
Terminius posted Tue, 18 October 2011 at 12:23 AM
Not too bad of an update feature wise but i want to see procedural erosion and the rocky moutain fractal is not that besides it being uber slow. I am hoping it sneeks itself in this version but i doubt it because this is the holy grail of procedural terrains.
boobunny posted Thu, 01 December 2011 at 11:02 AM
Hello,
I am interesting in purchasing Vue. I have wanted Vue for many years now, just never could afford it, and was expermenting with Bryce.
I can't find a comparsion page, so I was wondering if anyone could tell me what the difference is between Complete and Iinfinite(besides the price) versions.
I don't want to buy one and later regret not spending a a little more for the other if it is worth it or if it offers something that I would like to have.
Price doesn't matter. I just would like to know what more infinite offers than complete.
And am I understing it correct, there is no support unless you pay for it?
Thanks in advance
thd777 posted Thu, 01 December 2011 at 12:14 PM
Hello!
To look at the comparision of the different packages, go here:
and then check the versions you want to compare to and click compare.
The biggest differences between Infinite and Complete is that Infinite has more capabilities geared towards professional work. For example multi layer and g-buffer export for compositing, advanced animation controls, options for python scriting and so on.
You DO get support even without maintenance contract (including patches). However it will be limited to simple trouble shooting and bug reporting. The paid support offers more, depending on level it can include personalized phone support, but I doubt that anybody outside of studios will buy that.
The biggest advantage when buying the basic maintenance plan for Vue is that you have all upgrades included for one year and you can renew it year after year for a reasonable fee and always have the latest version. In addition, you get access to expedited engineering fixes (faster bug fixes, without maintenance you need to wait for the public release of the next patch). I am now on year four of my maintenance and it was very much worth it. Best deal there is.
Ciao
TD
Dale B posted Thu, 01 December 2011 at 12:15 PM
http://www.e-onsoftware.com/products/chart.php
There's the link to the feature comparison chart for the 'artist' versions; complete is the fullest. Infinite includes all that plus more.
And no, you get support for purchasing; what they have is a maintenance plan you can buy; with this, you get ftp space to upload scenes that are breaking Vue so they can debug the app, a much quicker response time on your support question or bug report. The really good thing about it is this; you get the yearly contract, and the versions released during that year are free. Usually there is a .5 release, and a full version release. Renew before the 1st year expires, and you pay $195 instead of $295, and get the same deal. That also includes any modules you've purchased (I got a 5 rendercow upgrade, and that has been upgraded each year for the Full version of Vue I get for free). The one thing you need is a decent internet connection, as these are downloaded releases (you can get them burned to disk, but that is a cost outside the maintenance agreement). I got it when they started, and have paid essentially $100 dollars every 6 months for a new Vue release. Once you download it, you can save to an external drive for archiving (or burn your own disk), put it on a flash drive and load your rendercows onto your various computers that way
I would recommend Infinite over the others; Xstream is only useful if you use Max, Maya, Lightwave or Cinema 4D. Otherwise, you have the same feature set. Make sure you have a 64 bit OS, and if its Window's install it on something besides the default locations....you can run into issues with Windows UAC real fast.
And to be utterly fair, the .5 releases -can- be problematic at times; use those to field part of a new tech for the next whole number release, so the new feature set can look strange at times. But even if you skip the .5 releases, that is still $195 to upgrade a pro level piece of software.
boobunny posted Thu, 01 December 2011 at 12:25 PM
Thank you both very much! You have been most helpful.
I thought I had read somewhere there was a comparison page, but I couldn't seem to find it.
Off I go to check it out, but you guys pretty much answered what questions I had. I will go check the link to compare just for visual satisfication.
Thanks again!!
