thefixer opened this issue on Oct 18, 2011 · 58 posts
thefixer posted Tue, 18 October 2011 at 1:34 PM
Anyone seen any pricing info yet, can't see any over at e-on..
Injustice will be avenged.
Cofiwch Dryweryn.
bruno021 posted Tue, 18 October 2011 at 2:36 PM
No, need to wait for the final release I guess.
thefixer posted Tue, 18 October 2011 at 2:52 PM
Yea, I just thought they might have given an indication, November isn't that far away..
Cheers..
Injustice will be avenged.
Cofiwch Dryweryn.
Darboshanski posted Wed, 19 October 2011 at 9:59 AM
I haven't seen a thing about pricing yet. I guess we need to stay tuned same time, same channel.
FrankT posted Wed, 19 October 2011 at 1:24 PM
head north from "Expensive" and you'll be in the right area :biggrin:
(I'm still using 8.4!)
thefixer posted Wed, 19 October 2011 at 3:46 PM
That's where they have you by the short and curlies Frank, slip too far behind and you end up not getting any upgrade price, kind of forces you to upgrade at some point or have to stump up a really big number if you want to be current again..
Injustice will be avenged.
Cofiwch Dryweryn.
CobraEye posted Wed, 19 October 2011 at 4:38 PM
I use Vue 6 and will upgrade around Vue 15. In these bad economic times these upgrade prices need to come down or else no one will upgrade at all. It is just not worth it to upgrade but better to skip 5 to 10 versions. It is a way better savings. I'm doing this with all my software except those who have fair upgrade prices like Bluff Titler.
Renderholic posted Wed, 19 October 2011 at 4:53 PM
I'll probably wait til next fall when they have a big price reduction before Vue 11 come out. I can see maybe waiting a couple of versions, but 5+ is too much. You'll lose out on the upgrade pricing and probably have to pay full price.
But speaking of pricing, I got an email from Eon about the printed manual for Vue 9 being on sale half off and I was ready to buy until I realized that they charge $13 for shipping! That's half the cost of the book! I cancelled the order when I saw that.
FrankT posted Thu, 20 October 2011 at 1:44 PM
I don't think I'm going to be upgrading to infinite anymore, I just can't justify spending that amount of cash on what is basically a hobby. Dunno exactly which version to go for though
CobraEye posted Thu, 20 October 2011 at 2:23 PM
Yeah, I lost out on the upgarede price but if you do the MATH I still save more especially NOW since that POS maintanence scam came into affect making incremental .5 upgrades COST.
All the other soft companies I deal with do not charge for incremental updates only e-on.
bruno021 posted Thu, 20 October 2011 at 3:56 PM
Maxon does too.
FrankT posted Thu, 20 October 2011 at 6:20 PM
so does Autodesk
drifterlee posted Fri, 21 October 2011 at 3:03 PM
I'm anxious to see what Vue 10 complete costs.
Rich_Potter posted Sun, 23 October 2011 at 5:32 AM
so do adobe.
forester posted Sun, 23 October 2011 at 4:29 PM
So does Next Limit, Right Hemisphere, and almost everything I use.
ChuckEvans posted Sun, 30 October 2011 at 7:12 AM
Quote - That's where they have you by the short and curlies Frank, slip too far behind and you end up not getting any upgrade price, kind of forces you to upgrade at some point or have to stump up a really big number if you want to be current again..
Ain't that the truth !
(been there)
CobraEye posted Sun, 30 October 2011 at 8:32 PM
Well, Sony Vegas Pro does not. Bluff Titler does not. Web Easy does not. Paintshop does not. Magic Bullet does not. Boris Red does not. DVDA does not. The list goes on and on and on. Should I continue?
The FACT is that most software companies did NOT start out with these BS incremental charges and it is something that developed later on.
I vote with my money. By not buying I am showing that I won't put up with extra charges that did not exist before. Vue has lost a lot of my money. :)
Now, in the land of online gaming something similiar is happening. If you rent a game you can not play that game online unless you buy an additional code to play online. This extra charge never existed before EA started it and now others are starting. Is this right? No way! But people of less fortitude still pay the extra charge. Go figure? I watch my money and vote with it to tell a company or a service if they are doing a good job.
I'm on the side of the consumer and by the looks of the world economy you should join in. If you like giving your money away for something that was once free and you don't have the ambition to say otherwise doesn't mean I have to think or do the way you do.
Dale B posted Sun, 30 October 2011 at 10:46 PM
Likewise.
No one even mentioned you, never mind claimed you should think 'their way'. So what is your point, aside from trying to stir the pot with a swizzle stick and petulant attention getting?
If you need directions, there are plenty of windmills in the midwest. Tilt away, Quixote... because frankly, what credibility you once had you shredded a long time ago. You don't like some company's business practices? Cool. You voted with your money. You used your -one vote-, so drop it already. Nobody cares about your one vote; they have their own votes. And how they use theirs is none of my business, or yours. And this continual implication that you are somehow gifted with Glorious Awareness(tm) has really gotten stale; you have an agenda, but nobody is buying, in case it hasn't occurred to you.
Tomsde posted Mon, 31 October 2011 at 8:55 AM
Vue 10 Complete would be the closest version to Infinite. Vue 6 Infinite was the last version of that I was able to afford. It is unfortunate, but when the Hollywood studios started using Vue the price of Infinite went through the ceiling--even for upgrades. I thought I did see pricing for 10--but I might be wrong. I thought they were essentially going to be the same of Vue 9, except subscribers get a discount on upgrades. Another unfortunate thing is that you have to have a linear upgrade and can't down grade to a lesser version for the upgrade price--what they call an upgrade path. I had thought of going from Vue Complete back to Espirit--but I would have to pay the full price for Espirit and they wouldn't give me that upgrade price--and the regular price of it was the same as the upgrade price for complete. I also wish they would let you skip an upgrade and still get the same upgrade price--Photoshop and Sony lets you do that--but if you upgrade from an lower version than the one just previous the new release you have to pay a higher price. It's too expensive for me to upgrade every year all my software--but that doesn't mean I won't want to do it some time in the future.
FrankT posted Mon, 31 October 2011 at 2:07 PM
Quote - Well, Sony Vegas Pro does not. Bluff Titler does not. Web Easy does not. Paintshop does not. Magic Bullet does not. Boris Red does not. DVDA does not. The list goes on and on and on. Should I continue?
I've only ever heard of 2 of those apps - high end CG apps? I think not.
Tomsde posted Mon, 31 October 2011 at 2:36 PM
Well I will say that Poser has very reasonable upgrades and sidegrades, I have to hand it to them for that--it's actually cheaper to get an upgrade now than it had been when Poser was owened by other companies.
I'll say it again, and it's worth repeating, it wasn't until Vue was being comercially used by movie studios that it's price sky rocketed. If that hadn't happen I probably could still afford Infinite.
Renderholic posted Tue, 01 November 2011 at 3:35 AM
Every year in September or October, just before the new version hits the shelves, Vue puts the current version on sale for 50% off. I stay one version behind that way, but I do save a lot of money. I had been using Vue 8 Esprit with added ecosystem module, but was able to upgrade to Vue 9 Studio for less money than Esprit plus module upgrade.
Tomsde posted Tue, 01 November 2011 at 6:01 AM
Renderholic, I'm hoping for a similar deal but I'm not holding my breath.
MatrixWorkz posted Tue, 01 November 2011 at 8:16 PM
All Hail Zbrush! For which I haven't paid a DIME to upgrade since I purchased version 1.55!
JohnDoe641 posted Thu, 03 November 2011 at 6:00 AM
Quote - Renderholic, I'm hoping for a similar deal but I'm not holding my breath.
They already had their upgrade deal, I went from Vue8 Complete to Vue9 Complete for 100 dollars.
Tomsde posted Thu, 03 November 2011 at 6:58 AM
Somehow I missed that offer.
ShawnDriscoll posted Fri, 04 November 2011 at 2:19 AM
thefixer posted Fri, 04 November 2011 at 2:26 AM
Just had the upgrade pricing in an e-mail, $295 for Infinite, not too bad, I'll go for that again I think but this might be my last version...
Injustice will be avenged.
Cofiwch Dryweryn.
Jonj1611 posted Fri, 04 November 2011 at 4:34 AM
Considering that there hasn't really been much added to what would be called a major release, I am dreading to see whats missing from Complete.
This maybe my last version too.
Jon
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Tomsde posted Fri, 04 November 2011 at 5:30 AM
Judging from the last round of pricing, since my last version of Vue was 8 Complete, it will probably cost $300 to upgrade to 10 for me--too rich for my blood right now. I will have to wait for a sale, though I would love to be able to paint water into terrains. I wish they allowed people who missed a version to get the same upgrade price as those with the last current version--Adobe and Corel do this.
Mazak posted Fri, 04 November 2011 at 10:37 AM
I get this today in my mail:
Dear Bodo,*
Vue 10 Infinite**, a major upgrade to one of your products under maintenance, is now shipping.*
As part of your maintenance contract, you have received this new product at no charge.
If you were using the pre-release version of Vue 10 Infinite, you may want to download the final relase now!
Mazak *:biggrin:
Renderholic posted Fri, 04 November 2011 at 11:12 AM
I have never quite understood how the maintenance contracts work. I got Vue 9 Studio last month and I think I'm still in the 30 day window to get the contract. Would it include Vue 10 and Vue 11 free? I'm trying to decide whether it is worth the cost.
alexcoppo posted Fri, 04 November 2011 at 11:31 AM
Quote - I have never quite understood how the maintenance contracts work. I got Vue 9 Studio last month and I think I'm still in the 30 day window to get the contract. Would it include Vue 10 and Vue 11 free? I'm trying to decide whether it is worth the cost.
With the maintenance contract, you have access to any new release of your product for the 12 month contract validity without any more expense. E.g., in a few days I will download 10 infinite because by 12 months period is still active.
GIMP 2.7.4, Inkscape 0.48, Genetica 3.6 Basic, FilterForge 3 Professional, Blender 2.61, SketchUp 8, PoserPro 2012, Vue 10 Infinite, World Machine 2.3, GeoControl 2
Tomsde posted Fri, 04 November 2011 at 11:48 AM
I find all these scemes to be a bit confusing. Apparently if I bought a subscription for Vue 9 Complete I'd get that upgrade for $50 less and when Vue 10 comes out I would be able to get that upgrade for 1/2 price--but the cost of the subscription (the highest for Complete) will cost as much as I expect to save on the upgrade price. So in this case it seems it's either pay now or pay later, but I don't see much of a real savings in the long run.
Mazak posted Fri, 04 November 2011 at 11:49 AM
Mazak posted Fri, 04 November 2011 at 11:56 AM
I used the early adopter offer for Maintenance user that cost me $195 per year (Vue Infinite). My subscription will end in November 2012. So I have Vue10.5/11 already in my pocket. I see it as an investment in future.
Mazak
bruno021 posted Fri, 04 November 2011 at 11:56 AM
Don't misunderstand maintenance (for Pro versions, Inf and xSt), and subscription (for Artist versions through Cornucopia)
Tomsde, if you have Vue 8, your subscription is for the next version, Vue9, not for Vue 10 (2 versions ahead). E-on doesn't sell upgrades the same price for 2 versions ahead (like Poser or Photoshop).
Tomsde posted Fri, 04 November 2011 at 2:09 PM
That's what I thought, the description says that if you subscribe you get your next Vue upgrade at half price. So I assume that means if I bought Vue 9 now with the monthly subscription, that when Vue 10 complete comes out I'd be offered that at half the upgrade price. The price of $150 is $50 less than I'd pay for the upgrade without a subscription and my next upgrade according to the web page would be "up to 50% off your next upgrade". So it may be more economical to do it that way if I want to upgrade to Vue 10 Complete than just doing the "sidegrade" from Vue 8.
The question is would I really be saving anything by doing it this way if you add the monthly subscription payments or would it be better just to "sidegrade" from Vue 8.
Jonj1611 posted Fri, 04 November 2011 at 2:14 PM
No, thats wrong. If you get Vue 9 Complete now and subscribe you get Vue 10 free as its part of what you are paying.
When it says 50% off what it means is, with paying the subscription you would only have paid about 50% off what it would cost for the Vue upgrade, you dont pay the subscription and pay for Vue 10 as well, its included in the subscription.
So you only pay the subscription and nothing else and you get Vue 10 thrown in.
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Tomsde posted Fri, 04 November 2011 at 2:22 PM
That sounds like a good deal, perhaps I should look into it more carefully. I would like to get Vue 10 when it comes out and that would make it more affordable for me. It's all very confusing, thanks for being patient with me. I had a similar deal for Vue 7/8--but no subscription was required.
I assume that I'm obligated to keep the subscription for a certain period of time, that if after that period I decide to cancel my subscription that my Vue 10 Complete wouldn't change into a pumpkin or something.
bruno021 posted Fri, 04 November 2011 at 2:28 PM
Hmm, you lost me completely, guys! lol!
Jonj1611 posted Fri, 04 November 2011 at 2:38 PM
Bruno, the wording on the E-on site is atrocious to be honest and badly marketed in my opinion, I had to read it a few times to understand it. So here goes :-
Basically if you get the subscription, you are basically paying for Vue by installments, as in you get the next version of Vue free as part of your subscription. But the total amount of the subscription is about half of what it would cost you to buy the Vue upgrade outright.
Hope that makes a bit more sense lol
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Jonj1611 posted Fri, 04 November 2011 at 2:39 PM
Yeah indeed Tomsde, you need to keep paying the subscription for 12 months, otherwise your license is invalid, after that its yours either way.
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thefixer posted Fri, 04 November 2011 at 3:14 PM
Ok here's one for you..
I've been quoted as $295 to upgrade to Vue 10 Infinite from 9....
I just checked my options to go on maintenance and it goes like this:
Cost per year and per license:
So if I go for maintenance right now it will cost me a whole lot more...Yes??
Or am I missing something...?
Injustice will be avenged.
Cofiwch Dryweryn.
bruno021 posted Fri, 04 November 2011 at 3:20 PM
Thefixer, if you don't get the maintenance, Vue 10.5 will cost you 295. If you get the plan, it will cost you 195.
If you're not interested in getting 10.5, don't buy the maintenance, since it will be dead by the time Vue 11 comes out.
thefixer posted Fri, 04 November 2011 at 3:27 PM
Hey Bruno, I haven't bothered with the .5 release of 9 after they broke 8 with 8.5 IMO so for me just getting the upgrade price seems like the logical thing to do. I mean if I'm reading it right I would have to pay $295 and $195 up front now, is that right?? I can save myself $195 by not bothering...
Why do they have to make it so bloody complicated....LOL
Injustice will be avenged.
Cofiwch Dryweryn.
iloco posted Fri, 04 November 2011 at 3:36 PM
thefixer, have you ever seen e-on do something that was not complicated.........
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thefixer posted Fri, 04 November 2011 at 3:38 PM
LOL, hey Iloco my friend, now that you mention it...hahahahaha..
Injustice will be avenged.
Cofiwch Dryweryn.
bruno021 posted Fri, 04 November 2011 at 3:43 PM
The maintenance gets you the next update for free during a 12 months period. Full point releases are not includeed, so indeed, if .5 releases are of no interest to you, then don't get the maintenance, otherwise you'll pay for nothing (though I'm sure you'd use the .5 release if you paid for it, I would, lol!)
Mazak posted Fri, 04 November 2011 at 3:44 PM
The Update from Vue6 Infinite to Vue7 Infinite was the last time I purchased a Vue version. With Vue7 I started Maintenance plan. Since that I only update the subscription every year for $195. It pays of over the years.
Mazak
Mazak posted Fri, 04 November 2011 at 3:48 PM
Renderholic posted Fri, 04 November 2011 at 3:54 PM
OK, but if I wait until next September I can get Vue 10 Studio at half price anyway. I don't see that the subscription saves me any money, it just saves some time. I can get Vue 10 now at half price with the subsription or get it next year in September on sale. Am I understanding this right?
iloco posted Fri, 04 November 2011 at 3:56 PM
Being old school I just hate to pay for something in advaance. I have been burnt before in such things so I guess I am a little leering and prefer to get what I pay for at the time I pay.
I keep thinking of what would happen down the road if another company were to buy e-on or if they were to get to a point they could not survie any longer.
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ShawnDriscoll posted Fri, 04 November 2011 at 4:09 PM
E-on sems to have found a business model that keeps them above water. Cornucopia3D is on one end of their revenue while selling high-end plugins for Max, Maya, Cinema4D, XSI, etc is one their other revenue end.
If the economy ever returns, I'm sure 3D software companies will begin looking at each other again to see who to buy out. For now, the software companies are downsized enough to stay profitable at least. They just don't have the big cash they used to.
Dale B posted Fri, 04 November 2011 at 6:44 PM
You also have to factor in the fact that you get much better access for bugs or issues, and private ftp space to upload those scenes that are giving you problems.
But yeah, $195 a year since they started the maintenance agreement (after the initial $295, of course), getting you a .5 release and a full version. That ain't bad for pro level software......
Tomsde posted Fri, 04 November 2011 at 9:27 PM
I've never seen such complicated and convoluted upgrade scemes--but E-on doesn't have the monopoly on confusing plans. I recently bought Poser 9, since I pre-ordered it I got a substaintial discount--but the catch was that you had to buy a voucher far in advance (which was immediately charged to my credit card) and then I had to secure a voucher code. The voucher code then had to be inputted as a new sale for the software in which it deducted the regular price for the upgrade from your shopping cart. I didn't understand this weird sceme. In the past when I pre-ordered software I wasn't charged until the thing shipped and that was automatic with no other action required. Well you had to use this voucher code by a certain date or you lost your money. I didn't understand the whole thing and missed the deadline by a day, but after sending a pleading on my knees email to Smith Micro they gave me a new code and I didn't loose my money. I was, however, ready to dispute it on my credit card as I was not going to pay $75.00 for software I never recieved. In my opinion I perfered when they kept things simple.
thefixer posted Sun, 06 November 2011 at 6:22 AM
Well I've bit the bullet and purchased 10 Infinite...
I think this may be my last purchase though, updating all the time is getting too expensive what with upgrading Poser as well....
I have all the tools now to do what I want so no more for me...
Injustice will be avenged.
Cofiwch Dryweryn.
Dale B posted Sun, 06 November 2011 at 7:15 AM
...unless they get waterfalls working next go around......?
Just saying......
