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I've actually been a perfectly quiet gentleman for the past year and nobody's even noticed....well nearly perfect. Where's my fruit basket or cookies?

Laurie, I agree 100%.

I think discussions with opposing viewpoints are great and sometimes lead to very productive interactions but we should all be able to do this without the attacks and getting personal. We encourage opinions of all sides but they should be expressed with tact and respect. I firmly believe in the "everyone is entitled to their opinion and should be able to express it" philosphy but it just is disheartening to see 90% of the time it becoming personal and offending. Sometimes we can agree to disagree before it gets to that point.

So let's all try and keep that in mind and continue to have discussions that we are passionate about but that can also remain productive and positive.

Believe it or not, the last thing I ever want to do is lock a thread but lately it has become necessary.

We should treat others as we want to be treated and respect all opinions even if they differ from our own. Differing opinions is what makes the world interesting:)

Stacey

Community Manager

Not to be negative, because I'm really not, but I have to say threads asking people to 'grow up' just add to the problem of people not behaving like grownups.. If we want a contentious issue to become less heated my best advice is to stop engaging in it as much as possible. If anyone has anything 'new' to add to the Daz issue.. I'd love to hear it... but the truth is nothing new has been added to that conversation in a good long while, aside from people from both sides finding different, sometimes eloquent, and humorous ways to put each other down. It makes for great reading but not a very healthy community in my honest opinon.

Again, no offense intended to the OP or anyone else

Maybe threats to grow up wouldn't happen if anyone thought people were listening ;). It seems that the longer no one says anything about what's going on, the worse it gets. And for whatever reason, it's particularly nasty.

I really shouldn't give a crap. I should just leave and never say another word. But the truth is I do like this place, WHEN it's being used for what it's meant for. For right now, it seems to be the best place to come bitch. If you truly knew the extent of some of the stuff that's going on, you wouldn't ask why I'd tell these ppl to "grow up". Trust me, that's the "nicest" way I can put it.

Laurie

Haven't I been saying this for ages? Laurie is bang on the money.

Why bother fighting about something that makes pictures?

BTW, this should now be standard issue to all Rosity staff. :)

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Quote - Don't ONE of you have any faith that a new figure will come along for you to spend your hard earned cash on?

Will a new figure like antonia come along? Sure.

Will she have DD boobs by default and an equally shapely posterior? One can only hope. :tongue2:

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Thus Spoketh Winterclaw: a blog about a Winterclaw who speaks from time to time.

(using Poser Pro 2014 SR3, on 64 bit Win 7, poser units are inches.)

Some peps who post here are DAZ dependent and favor a war because it causes a blur in the main focus of a discussion.

Others view Poser users as imbeciles who couldn't model their way out of a box...overlooking those of us content creators who model, uv map, texture, and rig something that the one dimensional accusor couldn't hang their hat on.

And then there are those who don't see the practicality of "Kit Bashing" a common figure and creating a vast set of wardrobes to that figure. (ie; "If you didn't model it from scratch then you suck!"

Then there are those users who are just "common artists" that like the ease of creating some great art without having to undergo a 5-10 year learning process and learning all of the intricacies of 3ds max, maya, and the like.

Really in a perfect world it shouldn't really matter how you came to this pic (ie; or statement)...just that you said something.

Because ultimately isn't that what art is for?? To evoke a feeling, or statement, or I am here and this is what I am feeling??? One should applaude those that actually take the time to construct a statement and are bold enough enough to display it for the thousands to "rip it apart".

At least they came to the party with something to "give" as opposed to "your thoughts/apps/textures" are shit.

Yea to the artist! No matter their skill level or talent of understanding a node!! Continue onward and do not be dismayed!!!

yes, my rant is over.

Comitted to excellence through art.

"...but I have to say threads asking people to 'grow up' just add to the problem of people not behaving like grownups." You're probably right but I completely understand the frustration that makes you want to yell something and mine would have been a lot less polite than grow up. I'm not sure what Wolf meant, but he hit it on the head, fear. This is obviously a moment when big changes are here for our little world and people are understandably anxious. Some probably had long standing grudges against certain products/companies, others have new ones. The aired them - fine, they made suggestions - fine. And a few kept on and on and on. Even worse were the conspiracy theories, not the ones many of us love to indulge in, but ones that were provably false, and statements that directly contradicted not only the only official information we had, but the plainly visible facts. That is neither helpful nore mature behavior and yeah, some people pointed it out and that in itself probably kept things going. I regret any part I played in the whole fiasco. I've spent more time here in the past 10 years plus than I have on any other site. Like it or not, it is my internet 'home.' I'm not real big on 'community,' as Groucho said, I refuse jo join any club that would have me as a member. Still, I hate to see it reach a point where people from any company or website come here and see such a thing as has been going on. Maybe I need to leave because I get caught up in these things too easily and I'm doing more harm than good. I don't know. I only know that it's become too much like the forums where they debate politics and religion and it shouldn't be. We should be able to talk about the pluses and minuses of any figure or program without doing it in a way that suggests that (for the vast majority of us) our lives or our fortunes depend on it. I know it's important, to some much more important than for others, but anyone who didn't start this yesterday has enough to keep them occupied for years, even if D & SM vanished in a cloud of smoke tomorrow. Even the poorest of us have so much more than most of the world, it's not even funny. To fight over yet another thing, or how it's packaged or how it works is pretty pathetic. So yeah, we need to grow up. Hopefully this will be a productive discussion, so to avoid jinxing it, I won't comment any further.

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I reserve the right to be wrong on occassion.

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I want one

Laurie

You're right.. I really dont know all thats going on or all the history people have with and against one another here or there. I've never been active in any of the 3d forums. My point is.. when we tell people things like 'grow up' it belittles whatever it is that has them so upset in the first place, it belittles their point of view and makes them feel like they need to re-assert their position to 'take a stand' as to why its so important.. then someone else comes in of opposing viewpoint and challenges that opinion/ point of view.. wash rinse repeat until it again devolves into a flame war. I'm not pointing fingers or even saying that i entirely disagree with the OP. I just cringe everytime I see any thread that brings up the subject.. its like poking at an open wound.

Maybe I'm just not invested enough in the forums or the people involved so I dont care as deeply as others. For me I have my opinions, I know where I stand with regards to genesis and DAZ as a company. Though I dont think it really boils down to people caring too much about the subject at hand.. it comes down to people caring too much if other people feel the same way... thats where flame wars start from.

perhaps the best bet to stem the anger is to do as other forums have done and disallow discussion of genesis at all... or create a genesis/daz sub-forum/dungeon to the main poser forum. that way anyone who wants to roll in the mud or scrap it out can venture in and leave the rest of the forum all the cleaner.

I'd love it if people could have a reasoned discussion and let it go once there really isnt anything left to say but insults and bitterness.. but the nature of forums make sthe chances of that slim to none. People LIKE to argue on forums.. they like to articulate their points, sling witty (or not so) barbs at the other side, they like to win even when everyone loses as a result. Right now the whole topic is a lose.

Quote - Maybe threats to grow up wouldn't happen if anyone thought people were listening ;). It seems that the longer no one says anything about what's going on, the worse it gets. And for whatever reason, it's particularly nasty.

I really shouldn't give a crap. I should just leave and never say another word. But the truth is I do like this place, WHEN it's being used for what it's meant for. For right now, it seems to be the best place to come bitch. If you truly knew the extent of some of the stuff that's going on, you wouldn't ask why I'd tell these ppl to "grow up". Trust me, that's the "nicest" way I can put it.

Laurie

Winning! It seems the interesting threads usually get locked. Oh well...ponies and sunshine to you all.

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I understand where you are coming from meatsim. It's just that the more logical and reasonable arguments like yours get lost in the droning noise of the people who are determined to make this a nasty place to be. I guess I was trying to scream as loud as they are. Either way I don't have much hope that anything will help. We'll see. I certainly hope so.

This place used to be fun. It's crap like this whole mess that makes me really feel like chucking it. Rather than see this for what it is - an opportunity - some would like to think they can get their way by whining louder and bullying people. How that's supposed to make anyone bend to their will I'll never know...lol. It turns me RIGHT off. I was upset too when we found out Daz wouldn't be doing the Poser thing anymore. But life is short and everything else in the world so bad to go and make this bad too. It's time to move on to something else. If we put as much energy into making new figures as we have bitching about all this whe'd have a whole family of em by now.

Anyway, I'm done talkin. If it continues I'll wander away like I've done before. I have better things to worry about.

Laurie

Quote - I'd love it if people could have a reasoned discussion ......

On the internet... not going to happen, just like people will never stop picking their noses in their cars.... in the meantime... Food fight anyone?

We should all have plenty of leftover chocolate, cookies, fudge, eggnog and similar gooey things....

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If we put as much energy into making new figures as we have bitching about all this whe'd have a whole family of em by now.

We'd have to bitch two years to come up with a figure's worth of effort. *

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Stupidity also evolves!

All one has to do is go to quantcast.com and search on daz3d.com, renderosity.com, and runtimedna.com.
That will give a pretty fair indication of what's going on, at least as far as US web traffic goes, at least up till the start of December, and the Dec. data should be in fairly shortly.

As far as all this other stuff, IMO it's just a sign of the times. In my 62 yrs, I can't recall another time when so many folks spent so much effort trying to make me mad at people I'm not mad at. :-)

When I saw the title I thought I might be able to make a witty comment about the Frankie Goes To Hollywood song (younger members will have to Google it) Having read some of the comments tit might have to be Two Tribes (slap that bass and sing Ow! Ow!)

Poser 11 , 180Gb in 8 Runtimes, PaintShop Pro 9
Windows 7 64 bit, Avast AV, Comodo Firewall
Intel Q9550 Quad Core cpu, 16Gb RAM, 250Gb + 250Gb +160Gb HD, GeForce GTX 1060

Images of a handgun being loaded. Really a fool proof way of relaxing (especially when you are on the ground, shot dead).

Post reported (bet that it won't be removed).

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I don't remember all this fussing about when Poser 2 was on a floppy disk.

In the END ... no matter what tool you use ..

Its grown ups playing DIGITAL BARBIE'S ...

i dont see kids playing with PLASTIC BARBIE'S fight over them ..

Chris

Edit... well they do ..usualy they have one Ken and 30 barbie's ..CATFIGHT

HERE are my FREEBEE's

Quote - Images of a handgun being loaded. Really a fool proof way of relaxing (especially when you are on the ground, shot dead).

Post reported (bet that it won't be removed).

It's being loaded with suppositories and is obviously a joke. Lost your sense of humour today? I certainly have no intention of asking for it to be edited out but if the staff decide it has to go I'll accept the decision gracefully. You have translated my signature, haven't you? :)

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.

Quote - Images of a handgun being loaded. Really a fool proof way of relaxing (especially when you are on the ground, shot dead).

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See, it's peeps like YOU. Later.

Laurie

I think of software as a tool. You don't see people arguing about which screwdriver or hammer they are using so arguing over software is silly. At the end of the day you use whatever you find easiest to reach your aim. People who use something else are not evil. :rolleyes:

Regarding characters: I have plenty of characters to last me a lifetime and love Antonia and Anatasia so if no more are ever produced I'd be happy enough. However, I am sure if there is a gap in the market it will be filled by some talented person so there is no need to worry.

Quote - Some peps who post here are DAZ dependent and favor a war because it causes a blur in the main focus of a discussion.

Yep, and when a thread is not going there way they want it closed so go out of their way to make sure this is what happens. Wars help them achieve their aim. :unsure:

Quote - Images of a handgun being loaded. Really a fool proof way of relaxing (especially when you are on the ground, shot dead).

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irony

a man who complains about Forum's being to politically correct, who then acts like it over a simple joke.

For some strange reason, posting seems to be broken here today. I can't quote without re editing over and over so...

@ Janl - unless you use Draper or Stanley, you're an idiot. ;)

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Quote - For some strange reason, posting seems to be broken here today. I can't quote without re editing over and over so...

@ Janl - unless you use Draper or Stanley, you're an idiot. ;)

:lol: You're probably right! :lol:

"Don't ONE of you have any faith that a new figure will come along for you to spend your hard earned cash on?"...

"it's become too much like the forums where they debate politics and religion"

Within these two statements you may find an explanation for the bitter emotionalism around this issue.

IMHO knowingly or unknowingly For too many people here
V-chick,and to a lessor extent, poser itself has become an Iconic Idol that has become subject of a bizarre form of pagan style worship.

You had a precarious balance between the Main Orthodoxy that set "Church" doctrine
(File Formats, Runtime structures,trends, Vendor requirements, etc)

You had the priest class (ie poser merchants/vendors) who faithfully applied the doctrine and produced the content and called the "faithful" to come and buy
and you have the "Faithful" worshippers who happily disposed of their(mostly fixed) incomes faithfully hoarding gigs upon gigs of content that they will never use for anything more than one or two gallery renders.

And of course the" Goddess" herself ( Vicky) along with her erstwhile ,less popular ,cuckhold( sp?) "Micheal"
was faithfully maintained and updated by those former Zygote Acolytes known as DAZ.

Along that way you had popular high priest of the DAZ branch
Put forth a "revelation" that the DAZ branch would be soon creating a FREE competing figure posing& rendering application(Church) of its own following recent turmoil in corporate ownership of the Main branch(poser).

This announcement was soon followed by a Dramatic ,albeit short lived, breakaway and direct challenge to the Daz branch of the holy alliance by this very same popular former high priest
and some of his most ardent followers in the personification of
the Doomed $90 USD figure "Apollo Max" .

Its producer and his followers
Woefully underestimated the depths of the pockets of the DAZ branch ,the overwhelming influence of its marketing juggernaught and loyalty of its followers.

The "rebellion"soon dissolved
"Apollo" became a freebie,
and was rendered completely inert by a deadly combination of the successful release of a well made "M4" and the highly public "bridge burning" by its eccentric leader with every major poser content outlet.

To this day he remains in a self imposed "exile" although some of his former disciples still run the old "Apollo Ultimate poser figure" Forum banners as a matter of
rote religious habit.
(perhaps secretly hoping for a miraculous resurrection of their Elusive leader)

The DAZ branch with its ever evolving "DAZ studio" Application ,quickly grew into its own Sect
that began boldly Deviating from traditional Orthodox Doctrine
(File formats ,Figure,Construction,content creation etc,)

Many orthodox "practitioners"( poser content vendors) embraced the "new testament" and joined the Elite ranks of the DAZ sect as Favored "PA's".

Those orthodox "practitioners" that followed the established traditions remained Exclusivley with poser and derisively dismissed the "Dazites" as an insignificant sect/cult with no real real relevance as their "Church" had no Dynamic Cloth or hair.

Secure in the Assumption that ,despite the relatively minor acts of heresy in traditional doctrine being committed by the new Dazite Sect (File formats ,Figure,Construction,content creation etc,)
Their venerable "Goddess"
V-chick"and her highly and endless deluge of coveted slutwear,
would always remain available to the true original "church",

After all making her a Daz Studio only product would most certainly destroy all commerce in the Emperium,
(the hooker wear must flow!!)

Minor skirmishes continued between the sectarian groups until
the Daz Sect did the unthinkable and Created a new Form of the
V-Goddess that does not fully function on poser (GENESIS)

Resulting the the all out, Bitter angry Hate filled Jihaad that continues unabated today.

Cheers

I have a foolproof plan to get us all huddle together to stand up to a greater 'enemy' - traditional media artists don't see digital artists as proper artists

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Traditional artist do see digital artist as ARTIST ..

just not the pose a barbie make a image art .. no matter what tool is used..

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Quote - As far as all this other stuff, IMO it's just a sign of the times. In my 62 yrs, I can't recall another time when so many folks spent so much effort trying to make me mad at people I'm not mad at. :-)

Indeed. There seems to be a lot of people the are far too easily offended, and those who, it someone were handing out $10 bills, would be mad that they weren't handing out $20s. Throw in the inevitable folks tryng to get a rise out of people, and the results are sadly predictable... :sad:

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And it's all very very disheartening :(.

Laurie

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Laurie

a day at the spa sounds wonderful :wub:

can i book the hot tub?

my joints are achy, it hurts to hold a cup of coffee.

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Shakes head then chuckles Simply amazing. If people are getting so fired up about a piece of software image using that energy for the good of your community and nation?

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Quote - ...using that energy for the good of your community and nation?

I can see it now...

One direction, nice shiny boots and a big brass band. ;) :lol:

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.

Quote - > Quote - Bookmark

You DO know there's a subscribe button on the forum threads now, right? LOL

I presumed he was being ironic...

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Ah, irony. I have a hard time with irony...lol.

Laurie

Quote - > Quote - ...using that energy for the good of your community and nation?

I can see it now...

One direction, nice shiny boots and a big brass band. ;) :lol:

Oh and Sam don't forget the complimentary rose coloured glasses to go with the shiny boots. LOL!!

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:lol:

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.

Your kids must be flat out better than mine... they'll fight over ANYTHING!

Quote - In the END ... no matter what tool you use ..

Its grown ups playing DIGITAL BARBIE'S ...

i dont see kids playing with PLASTIC BARBIE'S fight over them ..

Chris

Edit... well they do ..usualy they have one Ken and 30 barbie's ..CATFIGHT

No one touched MY Barbies...lmao :P Unless I said so o'course ;).

Laurie

and some of his most ardent followers in the personification of
the Doomed $90 USD figure "Apollo Max" .

Yeah, it was "doomed" to buy him a house. *

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I guess some don't remember the days when the Daz figures cost that much by the time you got the figure and the morphs and textures too. More than a hundred bucks.

And why should it not buy him a house or whatever? It's a lot of freakin work.

Laurie

Après avoir lu toutes ces conne..., quelle est la finalité de ce sujet ?

Sérieusement rien d'autre à se mettre sous la dent ?

One more subject about daz vs poser ... Admin please !

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anyone translate that please?

and no. it wasn't daz vs poser. read what was WRITTEN not what you thought you read.

Don't MAKE it that.

My last post was about the FIGURES not the PROGRAM. And even the old figures at that. If we can't talk about even the damn figures anymore we might as well just close up shop.

Laurie

I don't think growing up will fix 'The Situation'. We'd need to evolve as a species to avoid this kind of a mess :)

I made a decision a while back to stick to Poser and let DS be. It was partly because of the time and money I'd spent on Poser and products for it and partly because Poser fit my workflow better (with all the addons I'd bought). So when Daz comes out with a product that's DS only I ignore it. Antonia WM works well in Poser and there is a WM version of V4 on the way so I'm not worried for the future. I see no point in using Genesis, personally.

The sad thing is that all the time and effort that's gone into bickering about the situation has left a hole in the community. Remember when we used to fight about render techniques (the gamma correction debate) or ways to make Poser do things it's not supposed to be able to? There is less discussion about the new SSS shader then there was about the VSS system. Could we discuss the Poser weight map system without comparing it to DS?

Like JenX said in a sticky somewhere, It's sometimes good to take a deep breath, step away from the computer and RELAX (damn, now I want to listen to Frankie). Haters will continue hating. We can't change that through this forum (you have to catch them and flick them on the back of their ears)

Fuck my spats.

Not directed at Vestmann, btw. I think we posted at the same time.

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.

Quote - Fuck my spats.

no thanks, not my type at all

Quote - > Quote - Fuck my spats.

no thanks, not my type at all

Laurie

You're right of course Vestmann. It just makes me so hot under the collar....

It's all led to a sorry state of affairs. You can't even joke around here without someone taking some kind of exception or other. Sad.

Laurie

I think sometimes we forget to :m_laugh:

A good belly :m_laugh: does wonders!

Quote - I think sometimes we forget to :m_laugh:

A good belly :m_laugh: does wonders!

Indeed. "Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum." :)

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.

"On the other hand... I have different fingers"

Will Ferrell

bah, you think DAZ vs Poser is bad. The Vi vs Emacs jihad made this look like a polite discussion at the vicars tea party. I still want an ignore button though

Quote - ...I still want an ignore button though

I'd heard one was forthcoming. I hope that hasn't changed. Oh happy day!!! :P

Just think how quiet this place would be

Laurie

I've been asking for an ignore button for ages. Maybe time to add another thread and try again.

Quote - It seems that the longer no one says anything about what's going on, the worse it gets. And for whatever reason, it's particularly nasty.

There were plenty of entreaties in the DAZ threads, by the OP, by mods, by plain ol' members, asking for an end to the venomous fighting. It got drowned out, as did the posts actually relevant to the thread.

I'm only on Page 1 of this thread as I reply to Laurie's quote above, hoping I won't see this conversation buried as well.

Quote - I'm only on Page 1 of this thread as I reply to Laurie's quote above, hoping I won't see this conversation buried as well.

Except for a couple attempts to sidetrack, it's actually held up pretty well for 80+ posts, which is a decent accomplishment.

Another vote for an Ignore List. They had that on IRC (Internet Relay Chat) 15 years ago!

I still don't get the need for an Ignore button. I can easily ignore people without it. Anyhow, if we get one, if it works and it makes you folks who want one happy, that's cool.

I can, however, suggest a supplement to the function...

Every time a member is ignored, they get a notification telling them something like "You have been added to a user's 'Ignore' list, giving you a total of (number) users currently ignoring you". That, I believe, would be more effective than simply ignoring someone, if the objective is to make certain people modify their behaviour.

OTOH, I can also see a potential for abuse of the system if it's implemented in that way so maybe it's not such a great idea after all. :)

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.

Quote - I still don't get the need for an Ignore button. I can easily ignore people without it. Anyhow, if we get one, if it works and it makes you folks who want one happy, that's cool.

I can, however, suggest a supplement to the function...

Every time a member is ignored, they get a notification telling them something like "You have been added to a user's 'Ignore' list, giving you a total of (number) users currently ignoring you". That, I believe, would be more effective than simply ignoring someone, if the objective is to make certain people modify their behaviour.

Yanno...that's a great idea, tho I'm sure I'd have more than a few...ha!...lolol.

Laurie

I hope everyone can keep it civil and stick to the facts and not to state things about DAZ or SmithMicro that are mainly idle speculation or basing things on misinformation and emotions. Follow the new/old forum rules. I don't know how many times I wanted to post because I was infuriated by what I read but decided against it because I thought it would just extend the craziness and only posted when I had calm facts at hand (which some still ignored).

I am a Poser user and fan from way back... I recently found my original floppy discs, and FractalDesign box I bought at Egghead Software when going through stuff that survived the flood in our apartment complex. I am a recent fan of DAZ Studio because of the power of 3Delight (which is severely under-utilized by most users). I've always been a fan of Zygote/DAZ figures. Not so much the others except for Gabriel's excellent fix for Alyson. But that's all subjective. I think subjective opinions should usually be left out of things unless it helps someone. I'm afraid too many subjective opinions and poo have been flung here recently. It will probably happen again, but I'm hoping for a long quiet period to save the sanity of the admin, mods, Laurie and others.

Stop yourself from posting for a few minutes and then reflect. You'll find most of the time it's not important and you can safely move on with no harm, no foul.

Kevin

I was kinda hoping we weren't gonna discuss the Poser Daz thing at all really. I'm tired of hearing about it. If we talk about getting over it, then I'm all for that...lol. But as soon as it comes up that "aliens created Genesis in order to annihilate Poser users", I'm gone...LOL.

(yes, it was getting THAT silly ;))

Laurie

Quote - I was kinda hoping we weren't gonna discuss the Poser Daz thing at all really.

Sounds like a great idea to me. That subject is in another thread and it is over. Let's move on now. :m_bouncy:

Sam

THANKS! I love that image.

Quote - Haven't I been saying this for ages? Laurie is bang on the money.

Why bother fighting about something that makes pictures?

BTW, this should now be standard issue to all Rosity staff. :)

I'm not sure an ignore button would be a good idea (but then, I'm kinda amish when it comes to buttons). I fear that when people can visually ignore someone, egos will get bruised and some people might start bickering about "why someone pushed it when they were making a perfectly valid point" or "why someones always ignores some people but not other people". Then there are those who'd get hurt and just start pushing the button for everything. If you want a button, give the admins an "I'm calling Chuick Norris" button. That should settle people down.

I doubt highly that if RO allowed an ignore button that they'd alert the ppl being ignored about it ;).

Laurie

Oh, don't forget about the new coupon in the newsletter, it's only good for two days this time. Works on sale items too, I picked up both Rock Worlds and a Designfera background set (all of those are on sale too) with a gift certificate.

SnowS

my DeviantArt page: http://snowsultan.deviantart.com/

I do not speak as a representative of DAZ, I speak only as a long-time member here. Be nice (and quit lying about DAZ) and I'll be nice too.

Quote - Oh, don't forget about the new coupon in the newsletter, it's only good for two days this time. Works on sale items too, I picked up both Rock Worlds and a Designfera background set (all of those are on sale too) with a gift certificate.

SnowS

Eh, what?

Laurie

Wasn't talking to anyone in particular, just wanted to mention it so no one missed it. I missed the last big sale because I didn't pay attention to the expiration date, heh. :P

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I do not speak as a representative of DAZ, I speak only as a long-time member here. Be nice (and quit lying about DAZ) and I'll be nice too.

Quote - "it's become too much like the forums where they debate politics and religion".

All is politics and religion. The world is divided into Republicans and Democrats, aka Poserists and DazStudians, tell me who is who. You cannot expect to one be able to agree with the other and to live in peace.

Now comes the Religion, God did a mistake when created the Woman, so Victorias cannot be anatomically correct because the duty of Man is to correct God's error. Also any sign of nudity and improper use of His creation is offensive to God's eyes.

Next comes the chosen ones that are the owners of the most absolute Truth and no matter how much stupid things they tell you, nobody is allowed to challenge their "wisdom"

For the scenario be complete you have the Inquisitors responsible for watching the obedience to the suprene moral values of the kingdom and removing any heretic post and closing any thread that deviated from the Light.

And as final coment, it will be very funny to see in action the "ignore button" and read the threads where this function was used.

Stupidity also evolves!

@ Eric -

Glad to help. :)

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.

Although I have been buying from Renderosity for some years I only really started to get interested in the forums earlier this year. I have learnt a great deal from reading the threads even the discussions on different methods of doing things. It allowed me to go away and play with some of the suggestions and decide which worked for me and those that did not. I quickly duscovered the people that posted on a regular basis and I found many I respected both for their knowledge and their willingness to share information with others.

Everything was good and I found enjoyment in the time spent reading but in the last few months I have found more and more threads where I decide I will ignore them because I find the personal attacks depress me. I will admit to being biased in that I have never had much time for the 'mine is bigger than yours' debates that appear in almost all hobbies and other aspects of life.

So for the last few months I have spent more time in Poser and less in the forums, hoping that it would all pass over and believeing that I could not get any worse. Now on one of my visits I am dismayed to find some of the people whose input I have valued and respected from the start begin to question thelr continuing input. So I was wrong and I have to accept it has got worse.

I doubt anything I say can change the the path the forums take in 2012 and my continued interest is in the hands of others. I would however like to make a couple of comments .

The wrong people appear to be leaving.
As someone being old enough to be semi-retired I want my own time to be spent in a way that pleases me.
At my age the last thing I want to do is grow up I enjoying playing with my toys far too much and as long as everyone else is enjoying their toys a really don't care what they are playing with (but I might want to have a go myself)

I do hope that in 2012 I find that there are others that feel like me, or if not, we can find a way to communicate with each other in a way that benefits us both

I use Poser 13 on Windows 11 - For Scene set up I use a Geekcom A5 - Ryzen 9 5900HX, with 64 gig ram and 3 TB storage, mini PC with final rendering done on normal sized desktop using an AMD Ryzen Threadipper 1950X CPU, Corsair Hydro H100i CPU cooler, 3XS EVGA GTX 1080i SC with 11g Ram, 4 X 16gig Corsair DDR4 Ram and a Corsair RM 100 PSU . The desktop is in a remote location with rendering done via Queue Manager which gives me a clearer desktop and quieter computer room.

Quote - Wasn't talking to anyone in particular, just wanted to mention it so no one missed it. I missed the last big sale because I didn't pay attention to the expiration date, heh. :P

OHHHH...I was gonna say....what were we talking about? LOL.

Laurie

Haha, sorry. The more I look through Designfera's store, the more I want now (and that sale ends tonight).

Buying stuff and trying to put it to use is a good way to relax too. :)

my DeviantArt page: http://snowsultan.deviantart.com/

I do not speak as a representative of DAZ, I speak only as a long-time member here. Be nice (and quit lying about DAZ) and I'll be nice too.

Am I the only one that didn't get this latest coupon? I'm supposed to be subscribed to the newsletter! :(

I didn't get it. But then, I don't get any newsletters. From anywhere...lol. :P I'm still not certain if SS was talking about a sale here, Daz or elsewhere.

Laurie

Being a carrarest I'm not sure if I am stuck in the middle or standing out side :lol:

Carrara is owned by DAZ but uses/works with Poser content in a Poser runtime.

Should I be arguing with myself or arguing with both sides?

I can use genesis, but I can't use simmon or sydny.

I'd like to check out anistasia but I dought she works in Carrara. I've got Genesis but never use it.

I'm ssooooooo confused.

Here of course.

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/vendor/designfera (half off today).

Not sure why you didn't get a newsletter, I almost always get mine very late. The latest one is called "Sky High Savings" and has a 20% off coupon in it.

my DeviantArt page: http://snowsultan.deviantart.com/

I do not speak as a representative of DAZ, I speak only as a long-time member here. Be nice (and quit lying about DAZ) and I'll be nice too.

Those backgrounds ARE nice ;).

Oh, and it's nice to see everyone relaxing....lol :P

Laurie

Quote - Being a carrarest I'm not sure if I am stuck in the middle or standing out side :lol:

Carrara is owned by DAZ but uses/works with Poser content in a Poser runtime.

Should I be arguing with myself or arguing with both sides?

I can use genesis, but I can't use simmon or sydny.

I'd like to check out anistasia but I dought she works in Carrara. I've got Genesis but never use it.

I'm ssooooooo confused.

Anastasia "might" work in Carrara I'm thinking. The original model is weight mapped and I'm not sure Carrara can use that as it is anyway. But Gabe says he and Deecey found a way to add the morph to Alyson 1, which is a standard rigged version. You may be able to use that, no? ;). I don't think he's released that version as yet tho. Probably soon.

Laurie

There are nice 3dsMax and Maya models, Final Fantasy was done in Maya, Shrek was done in Renderman, but none of them woks in Poser or DazStudio !!!!

Stupidity also evolves!

and who mentioned 3D Studio Max OR Maya? Now I'm confused. Or maybe you're just trying to be cute, which is sailing right over my head. Sorry, don't get it.

Laurie

I thought of another addition to the ignore function... You ge

I can't be arsed to type the rest of it in. Something ate the rest of me post.

:(

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.

and people wonder why I want an ignore button ????? (Not aimed at Laurie btw in case anyone is wondering)

@hornet3d, I feel very similar actually - I used to spend a lot of time in the Poser forums even though I only use it as a staging platform for other apps but with all the b*tching, infighting and peen-o-copters (thanks Billie-the-Jean at DeviantArt for that :biggrin: ) I find it less and less fun to be in here

Quote - and who mentioned 3D Studio Max OR Maya? Now I'm confused. Or maybe you're just trying to be cute, which is sailing right over my head. Sorry, don't get it.

Laurie

Any difference with Poser and DazStudio not be compatible with some figures ?

PS. The ignore button can be useful and very funny.

Stupidity also evolves!

I want a ignore button where I can turn on and off all what I have ignored

Stupidity also evolves!

An ignore button isn't to turn off threads!. It's to turn off PEOPLE...lol. I'm thinking once someone flips the switch they won't likely turn it back again anytime soon...lol. Threads are easy. Unsubscribe ;).

Laurie

With the "ignore button" I can return to discuss gamma correction with no more problems, I only have to add "some guys" to my ignore list, of course these guys can do the same with me, and so I shall not have to waste my time reading their posts and arguing with them

Stupidity also evolves!

Sooo true Kawecki....soooooo true.

Laurie

Subject: We all need to just RELAX

This is a funny community LOL

Ignore button. Some sites have it, but then you see (name) post hidden, click to view... and of course I get curious and have to click. So it's not so much an ignore button, as a "how much self-control do you have?" button.

I have a question. Do contractors have all these issues with tools and where they're bought? I mean, if you use Craftsman vs Ryobi, are the results of your work seen as less acceptable? And if you bought your tools in a mall rather than a manly box store, do the other guys laugh at you? Should home buyers be told what brand tools were used in the construction? And did that company use iPhones, Androids, or Blackberries? Just how far has this permeated through society?

Ok. I obviously misunderstood the concept of the ignore button. I thought it was like the dislike button on youtube.

"I have a question. Do contractors have all these issues with tools and where they're bought?"

That's actually one issue that Poser and DAZ Studio users do not have with each other, only the 'elitists' who look down on 3D hobbyists. Even in the most heated discussions we have in the community, I've never heard anyone from either side say that someone's art isn't as good because of the program they use (which is good because both programs can create pretty much exactly the same type of art).

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I do not speak as a representative of DAZ, I speak only as a long-time member here. Be nice (and quit lying about DAZ) and I'll be nice too.

Quote - "I have a question. Do contractors have all these issues with tools and where they're bought?"

That's actually one issue that Poser and DAZ Studio users do not have with each other, only the 'elitists' who look down on 3D hobbyists. Even in the most heated discussions we have in the community, I've never heard anyone from either side say that someone's art isn't as good because of the program they use (which is good because both programs can create pretty much exactly the same type of art).

Yep, yep....

Laurie

As I said before, unless you use Stanley and Draper, you're an idiot.

Power tools, though, only Bosch will do. Forget about those amateur DeWalt, B&D, Makita toys.

Traditional art? Well, you absolutely have to use Mars Lumograph pencils and erasers. For paints and inks, Windsor and Newton. Brushes have to be Daler. Coloured pencils should be either Derwent or Staedtler.

Anything else and it's plain you don't have a clue about what you're doing.

Don't even get me started on Music or Photography.

;)

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.

Gee Laurie, it kind of reminds me about the X-Plane versus Microsoft FSX Battles we have on our other forums that I go to.

Its hard to believe that even in this type of community that goes on here as well.

I agree, lets just use what we use, and let everyone get the enjoyment out of what they like.

Poser Pro 2012/3DS Max 2013/Adobe Photoshop Elements 10/Zbrush/

PC: HP Z820 Workstation, 3.30 ghz 8 core Intel Processor, 2gig nvidia Quadro, 16 gig of Ram and 2TB Hard Drive.

Quote - As I said before, unless you use Stanley and Draper, you're an idiot.

Power tools, though, only Bosch will do. Forget about those amateur DeWalt, B&D, Makita toys.

Traditional art? Well, you absolutely have to use Mars Lumograph pencils and erasers. For paints and inks, Windsor and Newton. Brushes have to be Daler. Coloured pencils should be either Derwent or Staedtler.

Anything else and it's plain you don't have a clue about what you're doing.

Don't even get me started on Music or Photography.

;)

Well, we all know there's NO WAY to do any kind of 'real' design or music production without using one of Apple's latest iToys. Anything else would be extremely amateurish and uncool! ;)

may i book an aromatherapy session for today?

maybe an herbal high colonic too :lol:

♥ My Gallery Albums ♥ My YT ♥ Party in the CarrarArtists Forum ♪♪♪ 10 years of Carrara forum ♥ My FreeStuff

Geeze...you missed the free enemas....lmao

Laurie

Quote - Gee Laurie, it kind of reminds me about the X-Plane versus Microsoft FSX Battles we have on our other forums that I go to.

everyone knows it's IL2-1946 that rules!

Quote - > Quote - Gee Laurie, it kind of reminds me about the X-Plane versus Microsoft FSX Battles we have on our other forums that I go to.

everyone knows it's IL2-1946 that rules!

LOL! Have yet to try it -- One of these days

Poser Pro 2012/3DS Max 2013/Adobe Photoshop Elements 10/Zbrush/

PC: HP Z820 Workstation, 3.30 ghz 8 core Intel Processor, 2gig nvidia Quadro, 16 gig of Ram and 2TB Hard Drive.

Jonathan Swift wrote a satire-centuries ago- about a war between little and big "endians."

One kingdom cracked soft boiled eggs from the large end- the other from the small end.

You can see why they HAD to go to war!

Quote - As I said before, unless you use Stanley and Draper, you're an idiot.

Power tools, though, only Bosch will do. Forget about those amateur DeWalt, B&D, Makita toys.

Traditional art? Well, you absolutely have to use Mars Lumograph pencils and erasers. For paints and inks, Windsor and Newton. Brushes have to be Daler. Coloured pencils should be either Derwent or Staedtler.

Anything else and it's plain you don't have a clue about what you're doing.

Don't even get me started on Music or Photography.

;)

Ok... I have to get you started on photography, because I just ordered my first camera since the old Polaroid. Before that it was a Nikon 35mm. Shall we say it's been a while? Got the Canon ELPH on sale at Amazon, and not a clue if it's all right or not, or even what it can do, except stills and 1080p video. Gad, I've held a digital camera one time...

Flight Sims???

www.freefalcon.com

That is as real as possible. :-)

For the rest ? Poser, naturally :-)

Poser 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, P8 and PPro2010, P9 and PP2012, P10 and PP2014 Game Dev
"Do not drive faster then your angel can fly"!

oh man, not Nikon vs Canon !!!! in the name of sweet mercy not that!! (I loves me my Canon 60D :biggrin: )

Next it'll be primes vs zooms

Quote - Flight Sims???

www.freefalcon.com

That is as real as possible. :-)

For the rest ? Poser, naturally :-)

urgghh Jets no way... gimme Warbirds...

See? To each his/her own.

I flew Props and Jets, so??
Low and slow, and high and fast. :-) Retired now. :-(
From Ultralight to F-16, loved them all.

Well 2 favorites: SF-260 and F-16.
You could forget the flying part and concentrate on the mission.

Poser 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, P8 and PPro2010, P9 and PP2012, P10 and PP2014 Game Dev
"Do not drive faster then your angel can fly"!

Quote - oh man, not Nikon vs Canon !!!! in the name of sweet mercy not that!! (I loves me my Canon 60D :biggrin: )

Next it'll be primes vs zooms

Canon used to make great cameras until they started building to a price rather than a spec. For my money there's really only Olympus in the DSLR stakes now. Shame Minolta never made the transition.

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.

No cat pictures yet ?

Stupidity also evolves!

When I started out, I had (on loan) a Canon and a Nikon 35mm. I liked both. The Canon did seem a little more robust. The good news is that I'm so clueless about digital photography, that anything will seem good! Yay! Funny, I didn't see a "Kodachrome" setting on it though. ;)

Just wait a week or so, kawecki. I'll have cat pictures. LOL

Quote - > Quote - Flight Sims???

www.freefalcon.com

That is as real as possible. :-)

For the rest ? Poser, naturally :-)

urgghh Jets no way... gimme Warbirds...

Registered for this site to find out what its all about -- seems intriguing to say the least Also, I'm a GA (General Aviation) Kind of guy in simming -- no airliners or anything like that. Low and slow and take in all the sights

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Quote - No cat pictures yet ?

For what? No one's fighting. Unless you were aiming to start one ;).

Laurie

Fighting? Where? rolls up sleeves :)

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.

Quote - > Quote - No cat pictures yet ?

For what? No one's fighting. Unless you were aiming to start one ;).

Laurie

I have a Nazi cat

Stupidity also evolves!

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - No cat pictures yet ?

For what? No one's fighting. Unless you were aiming to start one ;).

Laurie

I have a Nazi cat

Alrighty then. There's cream for that.

Laurie

Or at least an ointment...

Quote - Or at least an ointment...

Laurie

Quote - It's always been that way in this community, since the very beginning. PFO and all that.

Was kinda thinking the same thing... I mean, alt.flame in its heyday was a lot more entertaining, but otherwise it's not that much different.

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Quote - "Quote - "Excuse me, but a Forum Coordinator putting up a poster that refers to people of different abilities as retared{sic} is just SICK in any part of the world. I hope you are ashamed of yourself."

Argh! That meme had been around almost as long as TCP/IP has...

Not gonna say it... not gonna say it...

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Quote - I'm not sure what Wolf meant, but he hit it on the head, fear. This is obviously a moment when big changes are here for our little world and people are understandably anxious. Some probably had long standing grudges against certain products/companies, others have new ones. The aired them - fine, they made suggestions - fine. And a few kept on and on and on. Even worse were the conspiracy theories, not the ones many of us love to indulge in, but ones that were provably false, and statements that directly contradicted not only the only official information we had, but the plainly visible facts

...can somebody bronze this? Please?

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Quote - Oh well...ponies and sunshine to you all.

Can't. Ponies (especially pink ones) were banned in early 2002. There's an outstanding rule to shoot them on sight around here.

==

Quote - Post reported (bet that it won't be removed).

Hey, Sam... got any of those suppositories in .45 ACP size?

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Quote - bah, you think DAZ vs Poser is bad. The Vi vs Emacs jihad made this look like a polite discussion at the vicars tea party.

Or Windows vs. Mac, Java vs. .NET, Left vs. Right (politics), or...

Besides, everyone with a brain knows that emacs sucks the rancid boils from a dead leper's ass.

==

FWIW, I have no kick against either camp. I happily use both, and honestly don't care. I find it hilarious that some folks will go out of their way to show the world just how cramped their rectums have gotten over DAZ, or over certain figures, or over whatever this or that forum does.

Me, I'm totally relaxed (hence the uncontrollable habit of inserting jokes into such threads.) I find the whole thing humorous, really. Gives me the giggles at times.

I do agree with one thing, though - put that energy into building something better. If I weren't in the middle of writing a book (and making a living, and spending time with the missus), I would've done quite a few months ago. Just one bit of advice on that, though - do it out of love for the craft, not out of spite for the Other. If you don't, you end up with a failing product and end up BS'ing everyone about it to cover for the failure. Well, that is until you finally implode online, making a mess for everyone to see. It's ugly, and such incidents should be mourned, not enjoyed.

Quote - Hey, Sam... got any of those suppositories in .45 ACP size?

Yup, we've plenty in stock. :) > Quote - Just one bit of advice on that, though - do it out of love for the craft, not out of spite for the Other. If you don't, you end up with a failing product and end up BS'ing everyone about it to cover for the failure. Well, that is until you finally implode online, making a mess for everyone to see. It's ugly, and such incidents should be mourned, not enjoyed.

Gee, I just wonder who you mean there. ;)

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.

Quote - Canon used to make great cameras until they started building to a price rather than a spec. For my money there's really only Olympus in the DSLR stakes now. Shame Minolta never made the transition.

LOVE my Olympus E620, in fact.

My "old" SLR was a Minolta 5000i and, to paraphrase my late Dad, it took "right purdy" photos. Nothing could beat it for concert photography. In many ways I still miss using it, but but got tired of dealing with film. Besides, trying to track down high-speed film that was worth a flip became almost impossible. Hence the transition (a year ago, mind you) to digital.

This all makes me wonder if the Kindle vs Nook crowds are bickering. Personally, I love my new Kindle, but my sister wants a Nook. Do I care? No. Did we argue over it at Christmas when I opened my present and found a Kindle inside of it? (my sons chipped in and got me one) No. They're both e-readers that are good at what they do -- just different platforms.

Like Android vs Apple vs Windows tablets/phones, etc. I've actually witnessed heated arguments over which is better. How silly can you get? More importantly, who gives a flying fuck?

Brynna

With your arms around the future, and your back up against the past
You're already falling
It's calling you on to face the music.

The Moody Blues

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Adobe Creative Cloud - newest version

Quote - > Quote - Canon used to make great cameras until they started building to a price rather than a spec. For my money there's really only Olympus in the DSLR stakes now. Shame Minolta never made the transition.

LOVE my Olympus E620, in fact.

My "old" SLR was a Minolta 5000i and, to paraphrase my late Dad, it took "right purdy" photos. Nothing could beat it for concert photography. In many ways I still miss using it, but but got tired of dealing with film. Besides, trying to track down high-speed film that was worth a flip became almost impossible. Hence the transition (a year ago, mind you) to digital.

This all makes me wonder if the Kindle vs Nook crowds are bickering. Personally, I love my new Kindle, but my sister wants a Nook. Do I care? No. Did we argue over it at Christmas when I opened my present and found a Kindle inside of it? (my sons chipped in and got me one) No. They're both e-readers that are good at what they do -- just different platforms.

Like Android vs Apple vs Windows tablets/phones, etc. I've actually witnessed heated arguments over which is better. How silly can you get? More importantly, who gives a flying fuck?

I have a Nook Color. I love it. Of course I rooted that sucker about 5 minutes after it arrived...lmao. I was respectful enough to look at the software it shipped with. For about a minute...lol.

Right now, it's all Android (Gingerbread). Where else was I gonna get a tablet for 129 bucks and free shipping? LOL

edit: btw, I think there's a CM7 mod for the Kindle Fire as well :P LOL

Laurie

Well, that's the next conundrum: iPhone with Siri, or utter coolness of Android? Then there are the providers.... when did life get so complicated?

Here, take all my money. Must have pretty shiny toys...

Quote - Here, take all my money. Must have pretty shiny toys...

You know it ;).

Laurie

Quote - I have a Nook Color. I love it. Of course I rooted that sucker about 5 minutes after it arrived...lmao. I was respectful enough to look at the software it shipped with. For about a minute...lol. Right now, it's all Android (Gingerbread). Where else was I gonna get a tablet for 129 bucks and free shipping? LOL

edit: btw, I think there's a CM7 mod for the Kindle Fire as well :P LOL

Helluva price for a tablet. Can't say as that I blame you.

There are also mods for the regular Kindles. My son modded my daughter-in-law's Kindle almost the second he bought it for her. I'm not particularly interested, but then again you're talking to the person who DIDN'T root her Android phone! In the geek world (which I proudly admit to being a part of) that's considered HERESY! :lol:

Brynna

With your arms around the future, and your back up against the past
You're already falling
It's calling you on to face the music.

The Moody Blues

Dell Desktop XPS 8940 i9, three 14 tb External drives, 64 GB DDR4 RAM, NVidia RTX 3060 12 GB DDR5.
Monitor - My 75 Inch Roku TV. Works great!
Daz Studio Premier
Adobe Creative Cloud - newest version

Well, the threads that inspired Laurie to start this one are dead and buried. Rest in peace. I did learn some things I didn't know before the "wants to chat" one spun out of control.

You beat me too it! A popular endless argument on Photo forums! I have a CANON Digital SLR 40D with CANON lenses- but also have a Nikon CoolPix 8100S. I recently stopped talking with myself over the bitter arguments! Having both was tearing me apart.:-)

Oooh-but the 60D does not have the mag alloy body-and cannot be used as a hammer!

Yes, Eric-but you got a sore neck lugging the heavy thing with a heavy L lens around-so the 60D would get more use if you had it! AND it has a high quality movie mode! Nuh uh! Ya huh! OH yeah? But you always carry the NIKON 8100S because it will fit in a large pocket! Sorry- had a another three way argument with myself. I'm better now- really! :-)

Could it be that it does not really matter-as long as one is satisfied with the pictures they take? Nah!

Quote - oh man, not Nikon vs Canon !!!! in the name of sweet mercy not that!! (I loves me my Canon 60D :biggrin: )

Next it'll be primes vs zooms

Quote - Well, the threads that inspired Laurie to start this one are dead and buried. Rest in peace. I did learn some things I didn't know before the "wants to chat" one spun out of control.

And it's been pretty quiet thank heavens....until the next one

Laurie

Modding is where it's at brynna....cause you CAN...lol. :P

It is pretty cool tho. I read everywhere that Cyanogen Mod couldn't get live wallpapers working. I installed it and the live wallpapers just worked. Go figure ;).

Laurie

Quote - Could it be that it does not really matter-as long as one is satisfied with the pictures they take? Nah!

And that, my friends, sums it all up. It's the end results that matter, not which program we get to render our digital Barbies in. Grant you, which digital Barbie we can use is now linked with which program we can use, but that works for both sides of the coin. We can either throw shit fits, or take that energy and back developers (or become developers ourselves) who will make great digital Barbies (and hopefully Kens) for our respective programs.

Wait, that wasn't about cameras! :lol:

Brynna

With your arms around the future, and your back up against the past
You're already falling
It's calling you on to face the music.

The Moody Blues

Dell Desktop XPS 8940 i9, three 14 tb External drives, 64 GB DDR4 RAM, NVidia RTX 3060 12 GB DDR5.
Monitor - My 75 Inch Roku TV. Works great!
Daz Studio Premier
Adobe Creative Cloud - newest version

Quote - Modding is where it's at brynna....cause you CAN...lol. :P

So I've heard. Maybe it's me getting old and stodgy... or more likely it's me getting LAZY in my old age. :laugh:

Brynna

With your arms around the future, and your back up against the past
You're already falling
It's calling you on to face the music.

The Moody Blues

Dell Desktop XPS 8940 i9, three 14 tb External drives, 64 GB DDR4 RAM, NVidia RTX 3060 12 GB DDR5.
Monitor - My 75 Inch Roku TV. Works great!
Daz Studio Premier
Adobe Creative Cloud - newest version

You'd think with all the tight asses on both sides of the argument they'd be shitting diamonds around here!

Film or Digital?

Poloroid or?

SLR with Video Caputure or purpose built Vid camera?

Pepsi or Coke?

Ford or Chevy?

Notre Dame or USC?

Bears or Packers?

Mets or Yankees?

Kittens or Cats?

Cats or Dogs?

Hot Dogs or Hamburgers or Both?

Blonde or Brunette?

Gamma or No Gamma?

V.....will stop right there...:laugh:

Gary

"Those who lose themselves in a passion lose less than those who lose their passion"

Minolta all the way, baby! ('cause it's the only camera body that all my lenses will fit...)

Digital, don't take much video myself, 7-Up, Honda, don't care, don't care, don't care, kittens, cats, both, brunette, no gamma. :)

my DeviantArt page: http://snowsultan.deviantart.com/

I do not speak as a representative of DAZ, I speak only as a long-time member here. Be nice (and quit lying about DAZ) and I'll be nice too.

Well, I am gratefull these discussions existed, and ended.
I have a very-very -very clean PC now. :-)

WARNING:Personal opinion follows below.
I deleted everything from Daz from my runtimes.
Sorry, but such company mentality does not fit my personal values.
Period.

And - - - i' m still alive :-) :-) :-) and singing :-)
And ready for 2012/ Ho-Ho-Ho-

Oh, BTW my digital is from SONY. :-), but sometimes I derail, and buy a Panasonic.... :-)

Car is HONDA, grassmower is from HONDA, bike is a Pan European ST1300A from HONDA.

Poser 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, P8 and PPro2010, P9 and PP2012, P10 and PP2014 Game Dev
"Do not drive faster then your angel can fly"!

Quote - Subject: We all need to just RELAX
This is a funny community LOL

Yea, but.... If we stopped arguing, we'd have to find something else to do.

___
Renderosity Store Personal nick: Conniekat8
Hi, my name is "No, Bad Kitteh, NOO", what's yours?

Oh no arguing any more . That Game is over my friends.

On to a very creative 2012.

Happy Posering to you all.
Tony

Poser 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, P8 and PPro2010, P9 and PP2012, P10 and PP2014 Game Dev
"Do not drive faster then your angel can fly"!

there are no thread wars, only wishes to something new and hopefully better.

called evolution, we just expect more to do with a program now, then 10 years ago.

changes run to slow when the technology is ready but still to expensive.

Well durf, at rdna, there is an open question :

What do you want for Poser 10? Feel free to add your comments.

But??? Att to what you are asking for... You might get it. :-)

Going for a wild-wild-wild guess, I would say Poser 10 by 2014????

PP2010, now PP2012, so logically it would become PP2014???

Poser 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, P8 and PPro2010, P9 and PP2012, P10 and PP2014 Game Dev
"Do not drive faster then your angel can fly"!

Viters nice setup, but one question where's all the clutter? Were you robbed and they took the wrong stuff? My desk is so piled with papers and what not I'm lucky to find my mouse.

Available on Amazon for the Kindle E-Reader Monster of the North and The Shimmering Mage

Today I break my own personal record for the number of days for being alive.
Check out my store here or my free stuff here
I use Poser 13 and win 10

I see people saying that the arguing and hostility has always been present here.

Well, maybe. But it has gotten so much worse.

I think I joined Renderosity back in 2003, but didn't actually post anything until about 2 years later. Why? Because I had such a bad experience on other forums in another type of community that I decided I was going to watch and wait and read and see how people acted and reacted on the next forum I joined. So I lurked for about 2 years sizing up this site and its forums before getting up the nerve to actually make a post.

The reason I decided to start posting is because from what I saw people were nice, friendly and helpful. But most of all, they were courteous and I didn't see much if any arguing going on. Trust me, had it been like it is today, I never would have started posting here.

I have enough conflict in my life, and there is so much conflict in the world, that last thing I want when I'm spending my down time is more conflict.

I still like this site a great deal and count many here friends beyond the internet. However, when I want to post in a forum, I find myself posting elsewhere and when I am here, other than posting in the odd thread to help a newbie or answer a question, I spend my time here in Chat where it's fun and relaxing.

If the chat goes away, I'm likely to too because since the forums are so tense, my enjoyment for Renderosity is purely chat room related.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

@redphantom

Ha-ha-ha-, When all the V's took off?
They took all the clutter with them .. ha-ha-ha-

Oh, left is a mail-forum-chat-10" Asus netbook with a 23" LG 1920x1080 screen.

A Medion i7 hyperquad with an ATI card driving the next 2:
a Medion 25" 1900x1200 PC Monitor and a Medion 47" 1920x1080 TV Monitor.

And on the side is a simple HP 8300 quad driving a 30" SilverCrest screen.

Not in the picture a Dell 10"netbook and a AMD powered Packard-Bell notebook with a 1600-900 screen.

Poser 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, P8 and PPro2010, P9 and PP2012, P10 and PP2014 Game Dev
"Do not drive faster then your angel can fly"!

"Well, that's the next conundrum: iPhone with Siri, or utter coolness of Android? Then there are the providers.... when did life get so complicated?"

I am a Life long Mac user but I recently Bought my First "Android OS" based device*(the kindle fire)*
The price was right $199, and the form factor is perfect for me as I did not see much advantage in a $500 USD 10 inch ipad that
was not much more portable than my cumbersome 13 inch macbook.
Not planning on any "rooting" or "moding"
By I have"sideloaded" a few Apps from the Official Android market via its USB port
I found a great FREE program for OSX called "calibre" that will convert almost any document into the various E-reader formats.
Now that I have finally finished my 13 month animation project for my last film client
I have decided to take a long sabbatical and read All of those classic sci fi novels on my convenient tablet.
such as the Dune series By Frank & Brian Herbert as well as the Isaac Asimov "Foundation" series.

yeah I am an old school Sci -fi geek.

Cheers

@Acadia

You"ll never find me in the chat room.

But YES, this is a friendly place. (Mostly)

I just wish that Poser users stayed in the Poser part of the site, and DAZ users stay in the DAZ part of the site.

Since Daz Studio started "this" has been going on, and it intensifies every time one party tries to influence the other.

Use whatever software you like, but leave the others in piece. Please.

My heart is with Poser, and will stay with Poser.

Happy New Year,Tony

Poser 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, P8 and PPro2010, P9 and PP2012, P10 and PP2014 Game Dev
"Do not drive faster then your angel can fly"!

Quote - Viters nice setup, but one question where's all the clutter? Were you robbed and they took the wrong stuff? My desk is so piled with papers and what not I'm lucky to find my mouse.

Same here! Add in ash tray, tablet pc, headset, numerous coffee cups and reading glasses and I can't find a thing

Laurie

Quote - "Well, that's the next conundrum: iPhone with Siri, or utter coolness of Android? Then there are the providers.... when did life get so complicated?"

I am a Life long Mac user but I recently Bought my First "Android OS" based device*(the kindle fire)*
The price was right $199, and the form factor is perfect for me as I did not see much advantage in a $500 USD 10 inch ipad that
was not much more portable than my cumbersome 13 inch macbook.
Not planning on any "rooting" or "moding"
By I have"sideloaded" a few Apps from the Official Android market via its USB port
I found a great FREE program for OSX called "calibre" that will convert almost any document into the various E-reader formats.
Now that I have finally finished my 13 month animation project for my last film client
I have decided to take a long sabbatical and read All of those classic sci fi novels on my convenient tablet.
such as the Dune series By Frank & Brian Herbert as well as the Isaac Asimov "Foundation" series.

yeah I am an old school Sci -fi geek.

Cheers

I agree, the 10 inch is just too big and the 7 inch is perfect ;). And Calibre is the best darn thing since sliced bread!! I'm in it every day, converting something or other so I can read it on the tablet :P. It's awesome :).

Hubby has an iPad and while it's really beautiful and nicer for playing games, the 7 inch is what you want to read on. Perfect in one hand :).

Laurie

Ok, I've heard about all the fiddling with phones, unlocking, at least, but I have no idea what you guys are talking about. What does it result in, and how easy is it to break the phone permanently by doing it? (From the School of Ma Bell, when all phones were black, and they were hard-wired into walls.)

And all these _pad things just confuse me. They play games, they download books, and what else? Sort of like a giant phone, but with no keypad, and don't make calls? I think I need one, but I don't know why!

In my Bryce days, I was actually afraid of Renderosity. If you weren't brilliant, and didn't sport elephant hide, they'd eat you alive... or so I was told.

They play games, manage your finances, count calories, allow you to read, get on the internet, play movies and everything in between ;). We have a subscription to Netflix and it plays beautifully on the Nook Color, as well as hubby's phone. You can get bluetooth keyboards for them if you so desire - I will agree I do hate typing on that soft keyboard...lol. Even so I can chat on YahooMessenger or AIM if I want. It does a lot that my computer will do (within reason) but doesn't have nearly the "oomph" LOL.

The main reason for rooting a phone (which would likely be running Android anway) would be to get rid of all the software that the cell phone companies load on the phone that you can't get rid of and to enable features that the cell phone companies block. It WILL void your warranty (as it will on any device, including my Nook Color) - however some phones are very easy to "brick" (or render a useless paperweight) if you don't follow instructions for rooting to the letter. The only phone I'm aware of that's nearly impossible to brick is, strangely enough, an iPhone...lol. Just hook it up to iTunes and voila! - you have your original phone back ;).

As for Renderosity, I've never been afraid of the place. I have a thick skin and can usually give back what I get (although not as glibly..lol). But the outright pettiness and nastiness does get to me by a group that is supposed to be adults. It just shouldn't happen. Only at RO can a group fight over two programs that do essentially the same thing. I don't ever recall Wings3D users fighting with Blender users or Photoshop users fighting with Painter or GIMP users. It's stupid. It's more likely that those people use Blender AND Wings or Photoshop AND Painter. Just like a lot of ppl use Poser AND DS.

Laurie

There is great things ahead and both Poser and Daz users are perfectly poised for the next great leap. 2012 is going to be the year of animation and low cost motion capture (Kinetic etc). Poser and Daz begs to be bundled with programs like Marvelous Designer and the like that enables you to own your own personal film studio at your desktop with free actors. The program that does this first and best will be the winner, genesis has nothing to do with it. Daz seem to have lost the ball they have still not released the SDK for DS4.

I'll be glad if I still just get to make images :P

Laurie

LaurieA,

If something like Marvelous Designer "the world most easy program to learn" was inside Poser I promise you that you would use it if nothing else for a short catwalk to show off your newly clad figure.

"One must move with the times"

"Only at RO can a group fight over two programs that do essentially the same thing."

Again though, the fights are not really over the programs themselves. The fights are always over what DAZ does in some form.

I used both Poser and Studio and enjoyed them both. I'd never say that Poser can't make art as well as Studio can. The software has never really been the issue, it's either personal issues or concerns about content support.

my DeviantArt page: http://snowsultan.deviantart.com/

I do not speak as a representative of DAZ, I speak only as a long-time member here. Be nice (and quit lying about DAZ) and I'll be nice too.

Yanno...considering I've bought enough stuff over the years to make a downpayment on a house, I think I rather have enough "stuff" ;). If I don't get to spend my money, well, I'll cry for all of 2 nanoseconds...lol.

I just never understood so much weeping and gnashing of teeth over the fact that ppl wouldn't be able to spend their money anymore Wouldn't that just give you more incentive to use what you've already bought - that you've never used?

I've never been much for "keeping up with the Joneses"...lol. It's a losing battle :P. I can make my own stuff and ensure that my images look different than others images do. Besides, I spend more time in other programs prepping stuff for Poser than I spend IN Poser these days ;).

Laurie

"Wouldn't that just give you more incentive to use what you've already bought - that you've never used?"

You'd think so, but you end up wanting to just 'collect' stuff too...I see new things and think "ooh, maybe someday I could use that in a render..." I've probably used about 5% of what I've bought in actual renders (which seems to be pretty common among us, lol). ;)

my DeviantArt page: http://snowsultan.deviantart.com/

I do not speak as a representative of DAZ, I speak only as a long-time member here. Be nice (and quit lying about DAZ) and I'll be nice too.

GUILTY! ;). I probably have more stuff that I've never used than stuff I've actually used...snicker. A crying shame...lol. All that money and nothing to show for it really but a bunch of 1's and zeros.

What I'm hoping for now is that people that were always hesitant to produce new figures and the like have more courage to do so now. Variety is the spice of life and I'm all for variety...lol.

Laurie

Hey maybe we should have an unofficial challenge to see who can use the most things they've never used before in a scene. Right after we have a race to see who can be the first to install all the content they've downloaded but left it zipped. lol

Available on Amazon for the Kindle E-Reader Monster of the North and The Shimmering Mage

Today I break my own personal record for the number of days for being alive.
Check out my store here or my free stuff here
I use Poser 13 and win 10

Thanks, Laurie, I'll remember that tip about the iPhone. It's silly, because I hate talking on the phone, and all that thumb typing makes me twitch, but I still feel the need for one of the darned things. I had an ancient one, and used it mostly as a pocket watch.

Yay! Camera shipped today, and should be here Monday or Tuesday! (If the delivery service doesn't pitch it on the roof or something.)

You know, maybe all this character and clothing slow down is a good thing. Maybe, and it's a stretch, people will be motivated to make their own. Personally, I'd rather see something not so technically perfect, but original, than the same outfits and faces over and over...

Phones...

I hate phones of any description. Or rather, the intrusive nature of phones and people's assumptions that I have nothing better to do than answer the phone and chat about some trivial bollocks or other. My phone is for my convenience, nobody else's. I love talking with friends but I don't see the constant need to blog every aspect of my life. So, yes I have a cell phone but the battery's flat and it's not been charged for weeks.

I also take issue with non stop texting. I don't care if people text til their thumbs fall off but not when it intrudes into my time, conversations or other aspects of my life. In any case, experience has taught me if you have anything important to communicate, texting is not the way to do it. It's too vague, too back and forth. Better to call someone and ask outright.

Cameras...

I have an Olympus E300 which is about 8 years old and man, is that ever a great camera. Sadly, I don't get enough time to experiment with it and most of my photography these days consists of family gatherings and the children. No bad thing, photos of the little ones, but I hope to be able to stretch out creatively again.

Internet...

You guys should see some of the musician's forums if you want to see what a real war zone is like. Harmony Central had some of the worst fighting and trolling I have ever seen. You should see the Gibson v Fender fights or some of the amp fights for spectacular fireworks. Having both Gibson and Fender, I don't get drawn into 'em. :) I left there some years ago and I don't miss it one bit. Now I'm a member of a closed (by invitation only) musician's site and it's so much better.

Finally, I don't go to any forum looking for a fight, argument or to act like some kind of tough guy. Seen enough internet tough guys and trolls to last me a lifetime. Like Acadia, I come here for information and a bit of light hearted fun. Also like Acadia, I've had more than enough conflict in my life without getting embroiled in more.

Last year, my Dad was dying of cancer and sometimes reading the forums I'd think, "You pathetic bastards, whining about x y and z. You should see what real problems are". Of course, I never voiced this, being the nice guy that I am. :) And yes, my Dad dealt with his illness with courage and dignity. Not once did he whine, cry or complain, right up to his dying day. A fine example and one which helps me keep everything else in perspective.

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.

Kindles, iPads, Droids, iPhones...you are all a bunch of whimps....

Now this is a real phone. Nicknamed the Motorola Brick. Add a 2800mah battery (which you needed to make the thing last a full day with a reasonable amount of calls and added like 3 more inches to the depth of the phone form factor) and the thing weighed more then a standard brick. You never left it behind in a Taxi. One, it couldn't just disappear into the seams of the seat. Two, as you stepped out of a Taxi, you instantly noticed that something was missing, since the arm you were carrying the phone with wasn't being stretched longer by the weight. You want a phone get a real one. You want a toy, well then buy a toy!

Try this with your freaking toy phone. Drop it off the top of a 5 story high building and see what happens. Your toy phone will break into a billion peices. My Brick which I still have sitting on my desk at work, will leave at least a 5 foot deep crater and still work. When you can match that, let me know.

Plus if you wanted to pack the thing away for an important meeting you had to carry it in a real hard brief case because you needed the hard handle to support the weight. Not some cheesy peice of soft luggage.

Freaking kids and their toys!

Gary

"Those who lose themselves in a passion lose less than those who lose their passion"

:lol:

One place I worked at, our tech dropped one in a hot tub and after drying it out, it worked fine. I'd like to see that happen with a modern phone.

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.

Quote - :lol:

One place I worked at, our tech dropped one in a hot tub and after drying it out, it worked fine. I'd like to see that happen with a modern phone.

The new ones tend to stop working after you've dropped 'em in the toilet. My neice found that out real quick. The only saving grace was that she dropped it after a flush and wasn't afraid to dive in after it...lmao.

We still aren't certain if it was the water that killed it or the lovely plastic and glass hitting that nice, hard porcelain ;).

Laurie

Quote - You should see what real problems are".

Unfortunately it's all relative. Some may actually consider the fact that their program is better than another program and need to vent that it is, a real problem.

But I do know what you mean. I always try to keep things in perspective, that there is always someone worse off than I am. It keeps me grounded.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

"Not once did he whine, cry or complain, right up to his dying day"

Sounds like a person after my heart! "Oft the sone in maners lyke wyll be unto the Father"

I don't care to be part of a heated discussion myself the old english way of pretending that it is raining ie just ignoring the guy works well. That said I enjoy reading OTHER persons heated discussions they are often very funny and I have learned a lot that way. I don't really understand this almost paranoid aversion against heated discussions. Creative people often fights! Sadly many interesting threads have been shut down by overeager forum moderators. The first, medium and last maxim of any moderator should always be like the maxim of the Connatic of Trillion, "When in doubt do nothing".

Of course, once the forumites begin flinging poo it's time to shut it down.

Laurie

"Of course, once the forumites begin flinging poo it's time to shut it down."

Of course but there is a great span between total chaos and total blandness. Renderosity has total control and decides exact where on the 1000 grade scale we belong. Fights within reason acts like spice in the food. As it is now there are no spice in the Poser forum IMO.

Quote - Hey maybe we should have an unofficial challenge to see who can use the most things they've never used before in a scene. Right after we have a race to see who can be the first to install all the content they've downloaded but left it zipped. lol

Actually, I recently spent several days installing almost everything I'd ever bought - last week. I did miss one light set, I noticed while rendering today so I need to go back and get that, as well. Left out the items for M3 and V3, still made my runtime fairly sizeable.

Now when I purchase something I extract it immediately for use. Got tired of having all that stuff and not using it :biggrin:

Brynna

With your arms around the future, and your back up against the past
You're already falling
It's calling you on to face the music.

The Moody Blues

Dell Desktop XPS 8940 i9, three 14 tb External drives, 64 GB DDR4 RAM, NVidia RTX 3060 12 GB DDR5.
Monitor - My 75 Inch Roku TV. Works great!
Daz Studio Premier
Adobe Creative Cloud - newest version

Quote - Fights within reason acts like spice in the food. As it is now there are no spice in the Poser forum IMO.

And too much spice spoils the soup.

Perhaps if you like fights you should join another forum. It might draw you and ppl like you when this crap gets ridiculous, but it drives away more than it draws.

Laurie

Quote - **

**I found a great FREE program for OSX called "calibre" that will convert almost any document into the various E-reader formats.
Now that I have finally finished my 13 month animation project for my last film client
I have decided to take a long sabbatical and read All of those classic sci fi novels on my convenient tablet.
such as the Dune series By Frank & Brian Herbert as well as the Isaac Asimov "Foundation" series.

yeah I am an old school Sci -fi geek.

Calibre works on Windows too. I think you'll love Dune and Foundation! I know I do!

Quote - GUILTY! ;). I probably have more stuff that I've never used than stuff I've actually used...snicker. A crying shame...lol. All that money and nothing to show for it really but a bunch of 1's and zeros.

That's precisely my reason for no longer having a dog in most of the forum fights! I have too much stuff as it is! Why cry about not buying more?!?

"And all these _pad things just confuse me. They play games, they download books, and what else? Sort of like a giant phone, but with no keypad, and don't make calls? I think I need one, but I don't know why!'

Ironicly I was a major tablet skeptic
I used to Say: "Bah!! if I cant run C4D+ Vray and photo shop etc on it what good is it??"

But now that I own one I realize its not for Full graphics production.
its more like a personal productivity device that we always saw in the sci fi movies & Tv series
I bought a Capacitive stylus for mine and have been able to create some great Digital pencil sketches
with a free drawing app.
I did not even bother with my free one month subscription to the streaming TV& movie content
on "amazon prime"
I just convert My own Vids to HD mpeg4 movies and load them to the kindle from my mac for traveling
I have my entire personal library in my pocket,
access to the web& Email (of course)
I have a grocery shopping app (which caused quite a few stares from the other"low tech" patrons in my local grocer)
and it has a great Digital comic book app. and of course Games
it really makes the drudgery of sitting at my local laundry center flash by.

My mac laptop has been permanently promoted to "Home Computer"

I am having great fun with this new tech toy!!

Cheers

They're a lifesaver while waiting in the doctor's office ;).

Laurie

"And too much spice spoils the soup"

The great Swedish 19th century composer Hugo Alfvén learned orchestration this way, or rather he learned his renowned advanced orchestration technique in this way: By inviting his fellow orchestra members to lunch and getting them to talk and argue why just their instrument was superior. While Alfvén was taking notes. Of course some musicians became enemies for life after that but Alfvén had the information.

Quote - We still aren't certain if it was the water that killed it or the lovely plastic and glass hitting that nice, hard porcelain ;).

Water doesn't cause harm to cell phones or electronic devices. The problem is to dry it out. As the devices are so small with very small distances between components and conductive trails any small drop of water or moisture will make the device mot work until all the water has evaporated.

Stupidity also evolves!

Quote - "And too much spice spoils the soup"

The great Swedish 19th century composer Hugo Alfvén learned orchestration this way, or rather he learned his renowned advanced orchestration technique in this way: By inviting his fellow orchestra members to lunch and getting them to talk and argue why just their instrument was superior. While Alfvén was taking notes. Of course some musicians became enemies for life after that but Alfvén had the information.

Don't worry...everyone got their points across to Daz. And then some. You can only spew the same nastiness for so long before no one's listening anymore and no longer cares why you wanted it in the first place.

Laurie

Quote - > Quote - We still aren't certain if it was the water that killed it or the lovely plastic and glass hitting that nice, hard porcelain ;).

Water doesn't cause harm to cell phones or electronic devices. The problem is to dry it out. As the devices are so small with very small distances between components and conductive trails any small drop of water or moisture will make the device mot work until all the water has evaporated.

Well, they let it sit for a week. Still didn't work.

Laurie

Quote - Well, they let it sit for a week. Still didn't work.

You have to open it, if not moisture can survive years. It's like a keyboard with Coca Cola, coffee or a damned cat. Probably you don't have the tools for the screws or you damage the device trying to open it. So, total loss, buy a new one with the newest features and able to calculate elliptic integrals of the third kind (For what do you need this ?)

Oh the screws!, every day they invent a new one that you have not the tool for it and don't know where to find one.

Stupidity also evolves!

Yanno what? Not my phone. I don't care. I was answering someone elses post. I'm done now.

Continue.

Laurie

*to RO staff: I will PAY for an ignore button.

Tongue in cheek (Humor intended) response

Deleted ALL Daz? Is that not illegal and a violation of UN rules? You are braver than I- I'm afraid I'm not STRONG enough to dump Miss Vicky-she and her ancestors have been in my life since 2000-besides, I've already created my own head morphs for her.

Quote - Well, I am gratefull these discussions existed, and ended.
I have a very-very -very clean PC now. :-)

WARNING:Personal opinion follows below.
I deleted everything from Daz from my runtimes.
Sorry, but such company mentality does not fit my personal values.
Period.

And - - - i' m still alive :-) :-) :-) and singing :-)
And ready for 2012/ Ho-Ho-Ho-

Oh, BTW my digital is from SONY. :-), but sometimes I derail, and buy a Panasonic.... :-)

Car is HONDA, grassmower is from HONDA, bike is a Pan European ST1300A from HONDA.

Best cell phone story I know of happened to a friend of mine while flying on vacation with his wife. During the flight he got up to use the bathroom, and came back to his seat minus his cell phone after pleading with the flight crew to try to retrive it.

His wife told anybody and everybody where his cell phone went when they got back home!

70 or 80 days later for his birthday he got no less then 5 or 6 cell phones from various freinds, all sealed inside bags of blue ice you can buy at the grocery store! :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Gary

"Those who lose themselves in a passion lose less than those who lose their passion"

Quote "Calibre works on Windows too. "

Quote "They're a lifesaver while waiting in the doctor's office ;)."

I have been using Calibre on Windows for most of this year and it does work well. I even converted the PDF manuals for Poser, you have to play with the format on the Kindle to get them in a readable fashion though.

My Kindle goes with me everywhere and, as I work part time, I often have the chance to read it in my favorite coffee shop before going to work. Great when in the doctor's waiting room as stated however, go carefull, I was reading something very gripping before being called and the doctor was concerned that my blood pressure was slightly too high (must remember to read something more relaxing next time). What I like so much about the Kindle (or any similar device) is that I can read someting to suit my mood at whichever point I have to kill time, a real bonus for me as I do not cope with boredom easily.

I use Poser 13 on Windows 11 - For Scene set up I use a Geekcom A5 - Ryzen 9 5900HX, with 64 gig ram and 3 TB storage, mini PC with final rendering done on normal sized desktop using an AMD Ryzen Threadipper 1950X CPU, Corsair Hydro H100i CPU cooler, 3XS EVGA GTX 1080i SC with 11g Ram, 4 X 16gig Corsair DDR4 Ram and a Corsair RM 100 PSU . The desktop is in a remote location with rendering done via Queue Manager which gives me a clearer desktop and quieter computer room.

I'd be concerned if just reading a book rose your blood pressure too! Yoikes!

Yea your right it was not just the book, I was at the doctor's because I was ill (smile) and I hate going to the doctor's, a fear I inherited from my father. My blood pressure had dropped a little by the time I left, maybe because I had forgotten the story or maybe because I was very pleased to be leaving.

I use Poser 13 on Windows 11 - For Scene set up I use a Geekcom A5 - Ryzen 9 5900HX, with 64 gig ram and 3 TB storage, mini PC with final rendering done on normal sized desktop using an AMD Ryzen Threadipper 1950X CPU, Corsair Hydro H100i CPU cooler, 3XS EVGA GTX 1080i SC with 11g Ram, 4 X 16gig Corsair DDR4 Ram and a Corsair RM 100 PSU . The desktop is in a remote location with rendering done via Queue Manager which gives me a clearer desktop and quieter computer room.

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such as the Dune series By Frank & Brian Herbert as well as the Isaac Asimov "Foundation" series.

I spent a good chunk of time in 2010 doing that... though instead of Dune, I read Foundation, and then everything I could lay hands on written by Robert Heinlein and Philip K. Dick. Personally, there are times when I think scifi books are they only genre worth having, but then I come across the occasional fantasy book; I still keep room for things like the classic Thomas The Unbeliever series.

(Never read the Dune series for some odd reason... though I did read the first one).

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@Arcadia;

You showed up after Rendo did a their disneyfication of the place, and after they ditched the Tavern.

@vilters;

Balkanization is bad. Tends to lead to intellectual inbreeding, a sense of us vs. them, and even more intolerance. Better to have healthy(!) debates, and better to have the hypersensitive grudge-bearers and trouble-stirrers (not meaning Arcadia in this term, but rather certain other folks that know who they are) gagged, so the others can talk. This puts forth ideas that both companies can incorporate, and keeps them both on their toes.

By the way, that is a nice rig. I abandoned the concept of a workstation a year ago, and tend to do everything on a laptop nowadays. My fire-breathing desktop had become a quiet little Linux home server, and occasionally gets pressed into service as a LuxRender node.

Oh, theres a fight going on? I always miss all the good stuff, dang it.

Honestly, who cares. I didnt read the whole thread, but its really enough already. I like pizza and you dont, please dont kill me. LOL

hands Lau some Doritos Let share the love!!

Ranch? :P

Laurie

"I spent a good chunk of time in 2010 doing that... though instead of Dune, I read Foundation,"

yep they are all in My que: Prelude to Foundation ,Foundation, Second Foundation,
Foundation and Empire ,Foundations edge,
and Foundation and Earth.

"(Never read the Dune series for some odd reason... though I did read the first one)."

I am Fascinated by the Dune universe!!
I completed House Harkonnen and House Corrino
in DEC and I am about halfway through
the "Butlerian Jihaad" that tells the back story 10,000 years before the birth of "MuauDib"
when humanity overthrew the tyranny of the thinking machines.
and established the three major Disciplines
of the Bene Jeserets, the Mentats and the powerful Spacing Guild.

anyway back to my reading

Cheers

Quote - Ranch? :P

Laurie

God you are such High Maintenance. LOL. Of course, anything for you.

Quote - > Quote - Ranch? :P

Laurie

God you are such High Maintenance. LOL. Of course, anything for you.

But you luvs me anyway....LOL

Quote - "I spent a good chunk of time in 2010 doing that... though instead of Dune, I read Foundation,"

yep they are all in My que: Prelude to Foundation ,Foundation, Second Foundation,
Foundation and Empire ,Foundations edge,
and Foundation and Earth.

"(Never read the Dune series for some odd reason... though I did read the first one)."

I am Fascinated by the Dune universe!!
I completed House Harkonnen and House Corrino
in DEC and I am about halfway through
the "Butlerian Jihaad" that tells the back story 10,000 years before the birth of "MuauDib"
when humanity overthrew the tyranny of the thinking machines.
and established the three major Disciplines
of the Bene Jeserets, the Mentats and the powerful Spacing Guild.

anyway back to my reading

Cheers

Dune's my all time favourite SF series. I'm working through Foundation (again) at the moment. I inherited all my Dad's books and that's one of the sets he had. I enjoyed all the Dune books except Butlerian Jihad. The "House" trio were top notch but Butlerian Jihad seemed rushed and badly thought out. That said, I really hope they pick up where Chapter House Dune left off.

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.

"I enjoyed all the Dune books except Butlerian Jihad. The "House" trio were top notch but Butlerian Jihad seemed rushed and badly thought out."

I am reading it to get the back story
and it is interesting to try to guess which characters are the actual pre cursers
for main schools of major influence.
Being Muslim it is interesting to see how
much of the themes from "Dune" are so blatantly borrowed from Islamic practice with only minor name changes.
I think I will read "Dune" itself next but with a much better perspective on the Corrino's and Harkonnens.

Cheers

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - Ranch? :P

Laurie

God you are such High Maintenance. LOL. Of course, anything for you.

But you luvs me anyway....LOL

Yes, I doez!!

Quote - "I enjoyed all the Dune books except Butlerian Jihad. The "House" trio were top notch but Butlerian Jihad seemed rushed and badly thought out."

I am reading it to get the back story
and it is interesting to try to guess which characters are the actual pre cursers
for main schools of major influence.
Being Muslim it is interesting to see how
much of the themes from "Dune" are so blatantly borrowed from Islamic practice with only minor name changes.
I think I will read "Dune" itself next but with a much better perspective on the Corrino's and Harkonnens.

Cheers

Yup, the Fremen are taken wholesale, IIRC. And a fine, honorable people they are, too. It was Dune that opened my eyes to different cultures around the world.

Like you, I'm going to re-read them but I'll start with the House series first.

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.