Hi everybody,

I was excited to get a new figure (I won't name names), but then I saw a problem that I had with another couple of figures I had gotten in the past. I know V4's joints are not the greatest, especially around the thighs joining the torso, and shins when bent in certain positions. But this seems to be an even more pronounced issue. I know there are a couple of joint fixers here--like that "Perfect Butt" and "Thighs", which I haven't tried yet. What do you recommend as far as a way to resolve these issues. Please look at the pics.

Thanks!

Here's one pic of the thigh area...

Here it is:

And this one is of the knee area:

Ummm...I recommend Perfect Butt and Perfect Thighs.

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So, you think it would work for one of these V4 figures that seems to be even more distorted than normal????

Now if you own P9 or PoserPro2012, you could weightmap V4 using Nerd3D's INJ Pose and your problems will be solved.

Shucks....I only have P7 so far. If and when I get P9 I'll definitely use Nerd's INJ. I am just a bit perplexed by the fact that certain figures seem to have exaggerated distortions compared to the original V4....was hoping to compensate for the discrepancy, even if it meant bringing me back to V4's original anomalies...

ATM, I would go with the Perfect Butt, Perfect Thighs route.  I haven't tried it yet, but it seems very promising.  I believe I have seen a render in the gallery where weightmapping and the two products were used.

Okies...thanks:) Do you have any idea what causes these incresed distortions on certain V4 models?

It looks like the figure has incredibly muscular limbs. Chances are the muscle morphs weren't optimized for the joint setup. 

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And how does one optimize the muscle morphs for the joint setup?

 It's nice to see "Perfect Fixes" getting a shout-out. :) Thanks! However be warned that I cannot guarantee they will work for you on a heavily morphed figure such at this. Results vary with extreme full body morphs. Typically they will improve it, but not as well as seen in the promo images. 

 (We don't have a knee fix yet, but it's on the agenda)

Thanks, Xameva. I actually do have the Booty fix and it did make an improvement. I am just a bit perplexed by the fact that if I take V4 and add muscle morphs there is some distortion, but not as extreme with some of these pre-made V4-based figures...if there something intrinsic about the way some of the figures are made that causes serious joint issues.

Quote - Okies...thanks:) Do you have any idea what causes these incresed distortions on certain V4 models?

The original models were incredibly poorly rigged. Any morph/whatever is going to amplify that fact. I'm not being mean: just stating what's obvious. Rigging is a really exacting science. And if you're dealing with a less-than-optimal mesh to start with, that task grows exponentially.

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Daz COULD have fixed V4's joint problems, as evidenced by the fact that others have done so with aftermarket products. I just don't know why they didn't.

Quote - Daz COULD have fixed V4's joint problems, as evidenced by the fact that others have done so with aftermarket products. I just don't know why they didn't.

Skill? Or lack thereof?

Seriously, V4 doesn't move like a human. She's not built like a human. And people are astonished when she bends weird. Why? She is SO not meant to be a human!

How do Barbie dolls bend?

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Fair question.

Fair answer: poor mesh design. Poor rigging because the mesh design is bad.

Wanna see how a human bends? See my signature.

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My Barbie bends better than your Barbie!

No?

All right, my Barbie has bigger boobs than your Barbie!

You win, Imax! :glare:

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Quote -  It's nice to see "Perfect Fixes" getting a shout-out. :) Thanks! However be warned that I cannot guarantee they will work for you on a heavily morphed figure such at this. Results vary with extreme full body morphs. Typically they will improve it, but not as well as seen in the promo images. 

 (We don't have a knee fix yet, but it's on the agenda)

Your Perfect Fixes are awesome.

While I'm a happy user of weightmapped figures like Antonia and Anastasia, the Perfect Fixes have made Stephanie 4 a serious rival to them. Kudos to you.

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I'm not saying that this will solve your problem but you should look at introducing yourself to the joint editor (Window/Joint Editor). With the leg bent move the handles I've shown (adjust) and that will affect that deformation. Make sure you have Bend selected in the Joint Editor. The Bulge Settings are another tool that can be used also.

Will this fix your problem? Not all of it but you can make a difference with some of what you're seeing.

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@ Anthanasius: That would work but unfortunately the OP is using P7 as stated within responses.

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Well, thanks guys, this has been interesting. What's the verdict so far on the genesis figures and V5?

Quote - Well, thanks guys, this has been interesting. What's the verdict so far on the genesis figures and V5?

Oh geez. Here we go.

If there doesn't seem to be much discussion on that subject it's because all the threads turned into mud-wrestling contests and were locked.

Short answer - Genesis needs weight maps to work, so it works only in Poser 9/Pro 2012. It needs to be exported from DAZ Studio, there is no Poser installer IMO. Not all features work with Poser. So it's not that successfull in the Poser Community at the moment. 

And yes, I would prefer that this thread does not turn in another Genesis discussion.

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AFAIK, there is a work around for exportation from DAZStudio to Poser, but you will get a lores figure with limited functionality.  E'nuff said.