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LOL!!!

so... you launch the words at pigs in houses?

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Why does that remind me of paying taxes? Thanks, SamTherapy.

So Where is a slang term for a bed.  Or a couch.  Or a bathroom. Or a car.  Or a rarely used room in the office.  Also if a woman asks you "where" do you want to go, I take it that means she's ready for doing it.

 

This could get confusing for the non-slang enlightened.

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>>begin rant<< IMHO one of the greatest grammatical atrocities ever visited upon the english language was committed by
one Judge "Archibald Cox" of the infamous watergate Scandal that led to the resignation of President Richard Nixon.

He IGNORANTLY Declared Richard Nixon to be an "un-indicted CO-CONSPIRATOR"!!!.

The word conspire is derived from the latin: conspīrāre to plot together, literally: to breathe together, from spīrāre to breathe.

Thus anyone involved in a conspiracy is by default plotting /planning in conjuction with at least one other person/entity,making the prefix "CO" in the word "CO-CONSPIRATOR", redundant.

it is the linguistic equivalent of saying you are a "Co-partner" in a law firm when the partnership  itself
indicates a minimum of two or more parties.

And of course the law  enforcement and court system Follows this trend daily by indicting single ,lone individuals on the ridiculous charge of "conspiracy" to Defraud or  "conspiracy" to commit this or that act
.>>end rant<<

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I proof read for a living - at least a large portion of my income results from that - and when I first got on the web, this kind of stuff drove me batty. Thankfully time has made me practically blind to it.

I do, however, feel your pain!

Quote - >>begin rant<< IMHO one of the greatest grammatical atrocities ever visited upon the english language was committed by
one Judge "Archibald Cox" of the infamous watergate Scandal that led to the resignation of President Richard Nixon.

He IGNORANTLY Declared Richard Nixon to be an "un-indicted CO-CONSPIRATOR"!!!.

The word conspire is derived from the latin: conspīrāre to plot together, literally: to breathe together, from spīrāre to breathe.

Thus anyone involved in a conspiracy is by default plotting /planning in conjuction with at least one other person/entity,making the prefix "CO" in the word "CO-CONSPIRATOR", redundant.

it is the linguistic equivalent of saying you are a "Co-partner" in a law firm when the partnership  itself
indicates a minimum of two or more parties.

And of course the law  enforcement and court system Follows this trend daily by indicting single ,lone individuals on the ridiculous charge of "conspiracy" to Defraud or  "conspiracy" to commit this or that act
.>>end rant<<

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Plenty of that in everyday speech...lol. Take for instance, the "hot water heater". Now, why would anyone need to heat hot water? :P

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Quote - I proof read for a living - at least a large portion of my income results from that - and when I first got on the web, this kind of stuff drove me batty. Thankfully time has made me practically blind to it.

I do, however, feel your pain!

I had to convince a proofreader once that it was "iced tea" not "ice tea" and "Brussels Sprouts" not "Brussel Sprouts" LOL. I also had a heck of a hard time convicing an editor that, as pertains to the movie, "Beetlejuice" was all one word...lol.

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Ha ha! I remember getting figuratively "smacked down" early on in my time at Rosity, at least one of the very early iterations - might have been "Poser Forum" way back in the Willow and Grey days - when I had the nerve to - gently I might add - suggest a correction to the grammar in someone's comment on a picture. Even the person I was agreeing with became slightly hostile.  Realizing my mistake I apologized, but one of those people and I didn't "speak" for years.

Bad grammar and typos are rampant on the web. I don't think there really is much one can do about it, but I even "hate" myself when I see old posts I made with some of the things I used to get so upset about. Some of my top of the line:  Adn, Tehy, dno't, lkie, wyh, agin, otmistic, ect., ect. (LOL)!

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Quote - Ha ha! I remember getting figuratively "smacked down" early on in my time at Rosity, at least one of the very early iterations - might have been "Poser Forum" way back in the Willow and Grey days - when I had the nerve to - gently I might add - suggest a correction to the grammar in someone's comment on a picture. Even the person I was agreeing with became slightly hostile.  Realizing my mistake I apologized, but one of those people and I didn't "speak" for years.

Bad grammar and typos are rampant on the web. I don't think there really is much one can do about it, but I even "hate" myself when I see old posts I made with some of the things I used to get so upset about. Some of my top of the line:  Adn, Tehy, dno't, lkie, wyh, agin, otmistic, ect., ect. (LOL)!

Well, we all can't be awesome typists...lol. I know for certain I'm not ;). I consider it a good day when I type my name correctly :P.

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Thanks for clearing that up!

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Ah, yes! The never ending battle between the descriptive and prescriptive grammarians.

For me, I'm not so sure about the co-conspirator thing. There's a certain nuance that it has over conspirator. It implies that Nixon was conspiring with one particular group as opposed to conspiring within his own circle. But I see your point.

It's kind of like the phrase "not insigificant". That's a little different from saying "significant", although the prescriptives among us might claim that it's the same thing.

And yes, I know. I started a sentence with "but" and a paragraph with "and", and I put my punctuation outside the quotes. Anybody who has a problem with that can burn in the fires of hell for all eternity. I'm just sayin'.

Oh, yeah, and a couple of sentence fragments in the beginning. And another just now. And another. Dear God, it never ends!

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We haven't even touched on layed and laid, etc...;)

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

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I didn't write it.  It's a copy and paste of a jpg posted elsewhere.  I thought it was funny.

I, of course, never make any errers. 

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Those our defiantly some of the worst grammar error's on the internet, but I think you left out a few :P

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I think some of this angry grammar is being used right now by those attempting to use the Reality 2 plugin with Daz Studio LOL.

I've been following the thread over at Daz and all I've seen is 65 pages of woefully poor renders, and a shit-load of "issues".

Nothing to do with Reality which is a very fine renderer, but even when Daz users can get it to work with Daz, the result is no better and usually much worse than could be achieved with just Daz/Poser alone. Early days yet I suppose and I hope they can get it to work in the future.

Future - not fucking now.

LOL...never tried Reality, either 1 or 2. And it's Luxrender that's the fine renderer - not Reality. Reality is just the bridge from DS TO Luxrender. Just throwing that out there ;). It's a pet peeve....lol. Neither Paolo nor Daz makes it clear either that Reality does zilch in the way of rendering, yet I see every damn image of those who used the bridge say "Made with Reality". Grrrrrr.

As for the quality of the renders I guess it's like anything else - it comes down to the skill of the person doing the rendering. Material choices, light placement, scene setup, etc. I have Luxrender images in my own gallery here, though I've never touched Reality and don't use DS. I use Poser with the Pose2Lux script by Snarlygribbly.

Ok, off me soapbox now...lol.

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I guess we all have our own pet peeves. Mine is the unnecessary use of LOL, and it's always unnecessary.

Here's something I just noticed about the original jpg that Sam posted - the one that rails against people that don't pay attention to what they write. Whoever did it didn't bother to clean up the little green grammar squiggles before they posted it to the entire world fucking wide web. I guess they weren't paying attention.

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Quote - I guess we all have our own pet peeves. Mine is the unnecessary use of LOL, and it's always unnecessary.

Welcome to the internet.

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Bob the Angry Flower on Grammar:

http://www.angryflower.com/aposter.html

I tend to ignore typing and other errors on the Internet, especially in forums like this where, for many, English is not their first language.  I would also freely admit I am not good at typing and I only have two languages, English, where I can get by and, Profanity, where I am well practiced but I try not to use.

What concerns me more is that, in the UK at least, after eleven of twelve years in education there are a large number of people have such poor communication skills they cannot express themselves in many instances.  If they have difficulty in communucating face to face what chance do they have trying to put their words into the written form.

I get really angry, not at them, but at a system that has sent them into the world without such a basic ability and I feel their frustration on each occasion when they have something important they want to say but do not have the words to do so.

 

 

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Quote - I think some of this angry grammar is being used right now by those attempting to use the Reality 2 plugin with Daz Studio LOL.

I've been following the thread over at Daz and all I've seen is 65 pages of woefully poor renders, and a shit-load of "issues".

Nothing to do with Reality which is a very fine renderer, but even when Daz users can get it to work with Daz, the result is no better and usually much worse than could be achieved with just Daz/Poser alone. Early days yet I suppose and I hope they can get it to work in the future.

Future - not fucking now.

Just picking a nit but Reality isn't a render engine, it's a bridge to a render engine (Luxrender)

(bugs the crap out of me when peeps say "Rendered in Reality!! :biggrin: )

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Quote - Just picking a nit but Reality isn't a render engine, it's a bridge to a render engine (Luxrender)

(bugs the crap out of me when peeps say "Rendered in Reality!! :biggrin: )

see above

I was announcing the very same pet peeve and yet folks didn't like that. I shall now say "lol" and go elsewhere :P.

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Gah !!

You aren't allowed to post without notifying me m'kay ?? :biggrin:

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You aren't allowed to post without notifying me m'kay ?? :biggrin:

There is no such word as "noone."

That is just a small annoyance, however, in light of the gruesome, pervasive and corrosive misuse of the singular form "There's..." with plural objects. It grates on my nerves with its stupidity.

Get it people, "There's" is a contraction for "There is" which can never be mistaken for a plural construction. "There's many reasons why I speak like an idiot and one of them is in this sentence."

People are so lazy. They take advantage of the (dubiously) allowed contraction "There's" but then hearing the 's' sound construct the belief in their brain "Wow that must be plural, it has an 's' at the end!" and slam every sort of plural after it.

"There's tons of people doing it."

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Do those hailing from Britain get annoyed hearing Americans using singular modifiers and possessives with entities such as teams and corporations?

"Apple Computer published its annual stockholder report today."

Because is is fairly annoying to turn on the English Premiere League live each weekend and hear the announcers throwing plurals.

"Chelsea have scored the winning goal in extra time!"

That just sounds wrong.

 

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Not annoyed, OG.  It just seems weird.  In any case I tend to tune out what sports commentators say because most of it is drivel.

I find it odd hearing and reading "Different than", rather than "Different from".  The annoying version, which many people here use, is the nonsensical "Different to".  

I'd love to know how the word "Issues" became a replacement for "Problems", too.

One that really, really gets my goat is "alot" for "a lot".  That, I believe, should be a hanging offence. 

Filler words and phrases such as "Let's face it", "At the end of the day" and the all-pervasive "Like" deserve a punch in the face at the very least.

A really strange piece of linguistic garbage over here is "PIN Number".  Personal Identification Number Number.  There are also people who say "Round circle".  I suppose it's useful to distinguish it from a triangular one.  I've even heard "Reverse back", relating to driving, as if there's an option to reverse forward.

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Well, everyone knows Americans haven't spoken English for decades ;).

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Quote - Well, everyone knows Americans haven't spoken English for decades ;).

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I think it was Churchill who said we are two nations divided by a common language.

Things I find weird about US English are the way you pronounce "Vase" because in movies made before 1980 you pronounced it the same as us.  Likewise the name "Colin".  Your version sounds more like "Colon" now.  Another recent change seems to be replacing "a" with "o", so "Pasta" sounds more like "Posta" now.

I'd better stop before someone finds this post offensive. ;) 

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I don't find it offensive...lol. You should hear how we all talk here in central PA - especially around Amish country...lol. So Dutchy :P.

"Smear me all over with jelly, a piece of butter bread"

I don't talk quite like that myself but I do tend to say a few select things backward than the way others perhaps would that aren't from the area. The area was thickly settled by Germans back in the day.

Like the UK, the US has it's areas where there is a regional accent and in some cases they're only towns a few miles apart. In the town where I grew up, we all have a bit of a drawl almost. Two towns over, they speak a little different ;).

I was so amused when I saw a skit from a British television show about "Four Candles" or "Fork Handles" depending on how you heard it...lol. It reminds me a lot of how hard it is for Northerners like me to understand some of the very thick southern drawls such as those from West Virginia.

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*for what it's worth, in my area we say Colin the way you say Colin. We also have quite a few towns where we stole the names from England...lol. I live in York but down the road is Lancaster and we say it the way you do. Californians mash it all up...lol.

There's a (most likely fictional) story here about a couple of Australian students going to Loughborough and asking which train to catch.

The place is pronounced Luffboro but they allegedly called it Loogabarrooga.

I very much doubt it's true but it's amusing.

York?  My sister lives there.  The real one, though.  :)  A lovely place and definitely a must see if you ever visit the UK.  Smaller and quieter than London but was once the capital city of England.  It has history in the same way Glasgow has drunks.  :)

Ah, that reminds me...

Noticed how many people can't spell "definitely"?

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Quote - Filler words and phrases such as ... the all-pervasive "Like"

Like um, this? (to his credit, however, it seems like this was most likely his first TV interview, ever)

Quote - Noticed how many people can't spell "definitely"?

Maybe they really are just defiant. Just picture them doing whatever it is they claim to be able to do, with their chest protruding and chin held high :P

Manny: Let's paaaaar...

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A long way to say " No effing around."

"There are also people who say "Round circle".  I suppose it's useful to distinguish it from a triangular one."

 

well, my Karate Sensi once asked us to form a square circle...

Quote - > Quote - Filler words and phrases such as ... the all-pervasive "Like"

Like um, this? (to his credit, however, it seems like this was most likely his first TV interview, ever)

Quote - Noticed how many people can't spell "definitely"?

Maybe they really are just defiant. Just picture them doing whatever it is they claim to be able to do, with their chest protruding and chin held high :P

I was thinking more of "definately", rather than "defiantly" but I guess your option is a better choice since it's misspelled and transposed.  Takes a lot of effort to do that.  Or not.  :) 

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Quote - "There are also people who say "Round circle".  I suppose it's useful to distinguish it from a triangular one."

 

well, my Karate Sensi once asked us to form a square circle...

Your Karate Sensi can most likely say what the hell he likes.  I ain't arguing. 

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She actually.....

That had crossed my mind but I went with the Law of Averages.

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Quote - Well, everyone knows Americans haven't spoken English for decades ;).

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oh you didn't! :lol:

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I think it was Churchill who said we are two nations divided by a common language.

Things I find weird about US English are the way you pronounce "Vase" because in movies made before 1980 you pronounced it the same as us.  Likewise the name "Colin".  Your version sounds more like "Colon" now.  Another recent change seems to be replacing "a" with "o", so "Pasta" sounds more like "Posta" now.

I'd better stop before someone finds this post offensive. ;) 

I enjoy BBC movies/series so I see the differences.. but I didn't see how things were so different until my English class this semp. We have a recording of a brit actor that is reading Charles Dickens.. I'm like what did he say? lol The professor has to stop the audio once in awhile to explain what was being said. :P

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Similar thing happened to me in real life when I visited the US to see my then GF.  She lived in OKC.

Now, over here I'm known for having clear and reasonably precise diction.  Despite having a definite Sheffield accent (think Sean Bean) nobody has trouble understanding me.

Until I went there.  Even the voice activated baggage system (my bags went AWOL from Chicago) couldn't understand me.  Had to pass the phone to my GF.

Phone conversations with some of my Stateside buddies can be an exercise in frustration at times, too.  A good friend who lives in Bayou country understands about one word in 3.

One thing I never got tired of, though; it was easy to make friends with complete strangers as soon as they heard me speak.  Everyone went out of their way to be nice to me.

For the record, my bags and I were reunited the next day.  My GF and I went our separate ways a year or so later.

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Americans (females especially) really dig a British accent...lol.

As for me, I've never had any trouble understanding even the thickest British/Irish/Scottish accent. I spent my whole life watching PBS which was almost all British programming :P. We didn't have cable - what can I say ;). I could understand those thicker accents after watching Red Dwarf...lol. I watched a lot of Fawlty Towers, Allo Allo and Are You Being Served too ;).

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Being from the upper midwest, I understand most people in other parts of the country think we talk too fast.  Or maybe they should see it from our viewpoint, "don't take all day, boy!  Spit it out!"  But we do have our fun with the names of our towns and cities, get someone from out of state and try to figure out which town they're looking for. 

Some people just naturally have problems with real American names.  I don't have any problems with names like Oconomowok, or Manitowok, or even Menomonee Falls.  Isn't every town that way?

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Until I learned to drawl, which took about a year, I simply could not engage in conversations with Texans. I did frequently hear, "Oh, honey, I didn't understand a word you said, but I could listen to you talk allllll day!"

It was a shock coming to Canada and finding that, not only could everyone understand me perfectly well, but they also had no particular patience for my rambling on and on.

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Quote - Americans (females especially) really dig a British accent...lol.

As for me, I've never had any trouble understanding even the thickest British/Irish/Scottish accent. I spent my whole life watching PBS which was almost all British programming :P. We didn't have cable - what can I say ;). I could understand those thicker accents after watching Red Dwarf...lol. I watched a lot of Fawlty Towers, Allo Allo and Are You Being Served too ;).

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Ah well there you go.  The accents you heard on there aren't representative of the way most Brits speak.  Craig Charles - Lister in Red Dwarf - has a fairly light Liverpool accent in comparison to the way most of 'em speak there.  By and large, Brit - make that English - tv uses relatively "neutral" accents.  Scotland, Wales, Ireland use regional accents mostly for their local programs and go for lighter versions for stuff that's to be shown across the UK.

At one time, tv over here wouldn't feature regional accents much in their entertainment shows and not at all in newsreaders or links.  Unless you had a middle to upper class "Home Counties" accent, you didn't get on tv.  Even movies play it safe because they'd have to be dubbed or subtitled for international audiences.  It's not just the sounds, either.  We have some unique usages and phrases from region to region.  In some respects, you may find it easier with our Northern accents - once you get used to the sounds - since linguists say most US word usages are by and large, old fashioned compared to their Brit equivalents, except here in the North, where we still have many older words and phrases.  One which springs to mind is "gotten".  It's hardly ever used here and mostly survives in words such as "begotten".  Brits almost exclusively say "got".  I use both, mainly due to being in close contact with many people in the US for years.

It's strange to think your accent(s) have their roots here, mainly from the West Country, Ireland and Scotland, then consider how they sound now.  I wonder what would have happened to both our versions of the language, had there been no communication at all since Mayflower landed. 

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Well, the US is a melting pot of nationalities. As I said previously, it was Germans around here, Irish and Italian in New York and New Jersey and up into New England, Norwegians and Danish in the Northern Midwest, French in the south, etc. In fact, the New England states probably have the closest to British accent that we have. Think JFK, if you've ever heard him ;). Oddly enough, its the original British colonies in that area -  Massachusetts.

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Yup, I read that and several people have mentioned it.  Me, I don't believe it, having heard the accents around there.

As for the melting pot of nationalities, I did once read you almost adopted German as your official language, since there were a lot of German settlers and anti British feeling was very, commonplace.

Funny, when you think about it, since English itself at the root is derived from a couple of proto Germanic languages. 

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Q: What happens at the moment of sexual climax?

A: The telephone rings.

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Which is why they invented ringers with a volume control, voicemail and wall sockets.

Can't leave your phone off the hook these days, since they send a horrible tone down the line if you do. 

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I think it was Churchill who said we are two nations divided by a common language.

*It may have been GB Shaw, but then, who cares!...;)

The phrase that always bugged me was 'same difference', with a comparison implying 2 subjects, or objects...meh...;)

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)

I like that one and use it from time to time.  :)

You may be right about Shaw, though. 

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I say same difference a whole lot...lol. I'll try and refrain pakled :P

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It's strange to think your accent(s) have their roots here, mainly from the West Country, Ireland and Scotland, then consider how they sound now.  I wonder what would have happened to both our versions of the language, had there been no communication at all since Mayflower landed.

Ya doon suppose we'd all be talkin' like Shakespeare,  do ya?  On both sides of the pond even.

 

 

Nope.  I think our respective versions would have drifted even further/farther apart and we wouldn't even be as closely linked as, say, Spanish and Portugese.

English is a magpie language, which is probably why there are so many, valid, variations around the world.

BTW, great to read you, Pat.  Haven't seen you here for ages.  Hope you're well. 

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Nope.  I think our respective versions would have drifted even further/farther apart and we wouldn't even be as closely linked as, say, Spanish and Portugese.

i reckon you're right.  To be honest,  i was thinking more along the lines of Australian and Californian Surfer,  instead of Spanish and Portugese.
English is a magpie language, which is probably why there are so many, valid, variations around the world.

It's been my experience though that only the good folks of Staffs speak true english.  lol (long story)
*BTW, great to read you, Pat.  Haven't seen you here for ages.  Hope you're well. *

All's good.  Just waitin on a friend and my cousin to get back in the saddle.  How are you and you're family gettin along? 

 

 

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