I no longer suport nor do busness with DAZ. There are multiple reasons but the first one is I can't install any of my purchases. I have 18 items setting that my antiV absolutly wont let install. My antiV has given me warnings since DAZ went to the new installers. With the last up date to my antiV it just will not let them install now. And I trust my antiV more then DAZ. DAZ installers are the only thing I am having this issue with, so ....

Now why is this here instaead of on the DAZ forum, easy same reason you don't see this discussed on DAZ; I am sure I am not the only one with this issue, because of DAZ's fasiest forum censorship. DAZ's forum is strickly for questions, prase, and commercial posts. Nothing more.

Your virus software is giving False/Positives.....its heuristics is wrongly detecting a character string which it see's as a Virus. If your using Norton then you will have to get used to it. :lol:

BitRock installers are notorious for causing virus alerts in your AV, they are designed to throw up a 'flag' if you d/l them with a multi threaded downloader, but I thought most AV's had gotten wise to this a long time ago.

Actually Stan, I told you and others, on the Daz3D site, that AV apps were throwing up false positives as regards some Daz installers, so I don't know how you can say it is not discussed over there.

I also told you that this has been discussed on at least one of the AV suppliers forums, and it was agreed there that the latest upgrades of AV software were more prone to throwing up these false positives.

In fact there even a couple of fixes annotated, to help people get round the problem.

The greatest part of wisdom is learning to develop the ineffable genius of extracting the "neither here nor there" out of any situation...."

Never had an issue with any Daz installer, been using Eset NOD32 for years.

Simple solution!!! temporarily turn off your anti-virus app then run installers. Never had a problem with daz installers other than they keep changing them. However I believe we now have Zips, awesome.

Cheers

GG

WHO said Kiwi's can't Fly ?????

Chohole, easy, every post I make on the subject has been deleted. It is not open for discussion on the DAZ forum.

As you can see it is most antiV not just the one I use, so DAZ is right and all the antiv are wrong? Do you honestly beleve that? And isn't antiVs to keep viruses off your machine so you pause them so you can install something with out question?

Think about this, you didn't get that piece of content from DAZ, your anitV goes off, do you pause it and install anyway? I seriously doubt it.

So are you really sure they are false posatives? If they are they are the only ones I have ever gotten. I find it highly doubtful I would only get "false" posatives from 1 company.

L I can't even open a DAZ sales email without getting a "oneclick" warning. So all DAZ sales emails go right to my trash.

I think people are just far to trusting of DAZ.

And that isn't even half the issues I have with DAZ.

It's probably not open for discussion over there because you're receiving the correct answer and not believing it - DAZ installers legally downloaded from their website do not contain viruses.

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I do not speak as a representative of DAZ, I speak only as a long-time member here. Be nice (and quit lying about DAZ) and I'll be nice too.

Stanley if it is not open for discussion, how come I can distinctly remember the discussion, and my answer to you. Has your memory slipped that much.

The greatest part of wisdom is learning to develop the ineffable genius of extracting the "neither here nor there" out of any situation...."

manleystanley - what antivirus are you using? have you contacted them to inform them that their software is producing false positives?

I have Eset NOD on the PC and Sophos on the Mac and neither have complained about any .exe from Daz

Still trust avast far more then DAZ.

Once again I reiterate. If you get a virus warning from a non DAZ piece of content would you pause your anitV to install it? Then why do it for DAZ content?

Avast has had these problems in the past with DAZ installers, but they are false positives. Avast has choosen to set itself to 'paranoid' level and throws up a warning any time anything is a little hinky looking to it. I switched to MicroSoft Security Essentials and have never gotten a false postive or a virus. MSE is free, not a resource hog and updates itself quickly even on a dial-up connection

The hueristics engine Webroot also identifies some of the older installers as viruses. I turned the antivirus off, but they still don't install. I'm not sure how to proceed. I don't have any qualms turning the virus software off for daz installs, if that would work. Now when I click I don't get a virus message, but they still don't install. I'm not sure what I am doing incorrectly.

There is also no way to contact support now.

...I never had a virus issue with Daz installers and I'm using NIS which is prone to issuing false positives. Annoying? Yes, but it means it is doing its job. All you have to do is change the permission status (don't have Avast so I'm not sure how to do it there).

My complaint with the .exe installers is that they mess up the runtime (particularly the Content/Studio folder) with folders that contain no loadable content. I am very pleased Daz will be offering a Zip file option (which will be retroactive to older content as well) which shows they have listened to us.

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Just to throw another option out there, I stopped using Norton many moons ago as a lot of baddies would slip through just browsing yahoo, and it would slow to molasses speeds all the time. Anyway, a free alternative that I've installed on my last four machines is AVG. It hasn't flagged any downloads of either daz or Rendo content, or forboden installs, which I've throughly tested (coincidentally) as my main rendering machine has tons of ShareCG content in addition to paid stuff from both sites.

I have heard from other folks of at least two different AV softwares that get tripped up with Daz's installers, but as others have said, Daz is going to the Zip format.

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...I've never had an issue with things slipping through sinve I installed NIS. There is little if any impact on my system's performance even when it is peforming a full system scan and I'm still working in 32 bit.

I'm not interested in playing IT tech contiually manually searching for, downloading, and installing freeware updates as I really don't have the time to do so.

There was a major overhaul of NIS a couple years ago and Tom's Hardware recently evaluated it giving it high marks.

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Does anyone know if the older products will be converted to zip installers?

...as I understand, yes they will. Not sure how long it will take though.

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Quote - Does anyone know if the older products will be converted to zip installers?

I was told by DAZ it would be weeks before they showed up on their servers. Give them time. The priority is the store, then adding file formats to DS4 that don't work with anything else.

I have used Avast for years, and have never gotten any virus warning on any Daz installer, not sure why you are getting them. On the other hand, Avast absolutely hates my updates of Adobe Master Suite, and I have to turn it off to install them.

There are lots of reasons to be upset at Daz right now, but I'm surprised that this is one of them.

I don't have to switch my AntiVirus Software off to install any DAZ Content.

IF a Daz Installer wasn't working, most of the time it was because of a damaged File.

Clearing the Browsers cache and redownloading the file most of the time solved the problem.

If not, contacting DAZ Support helped.

In the worst case one can get back the money.

But ... Well, that's the way it woks for ME.

For me it seems that just the MAC Files will be ZIP's now.?!

My PC Files unfortunately are still .exe's 8(

And i'm sooo missing the PC OR MAC Filter for my downloads.

ManleyStanley said

Quote - Still trust avast far more then DAZ.

Once again I reiterate. If you get a virus warning from a non DAZ piece of content would you pause your anitV to install it? Then why do it for DAZ content?

And once again I say to you the same as as I said before. I visited the Avast Forum, and found a lot of people were having this problem, and it only happened after we received an actual Update of the program itself, rather than the regular virus definitions updates. And It is happening to other than Daz installers, which I also mentioned before including flagging up my old version of MS office as a suspicious program. a version which has been installed and running on this computer since I bought it. :rolleyes:

If you follow through on the install it does not tell you that it is a virus, merely that it cannot indentify it, and it offers you the chance to install it anyway if you wait a wee while, till that bit comes up.

It is indeed something to do with the Heuristic algorithms that Avast is now using, which are set to "Paranoid" mode as someone else has mentioned. Heuristics do not guarantee that an optimal solution is ever found.

If you Really want to investigate how paranoid Avast has become nowadays, ask BobbyStahr how many times I have asked him about what turned out to be false positives whilst searching Renderository freestuff.

Cyjoe said

Quote - For me it seems that just the MAC Files will be ZIP's now.?!

My PC Files unfortunately are still .exe's 8("

At the moment, yes only the Mac files are showing as zips. It is not a small job converting in excess of 14,000 products to zips, and at the moement there are other priorities. :rolleyes:

The greatest part of wisdom is learning to develop the ineffable genius of extracting the "neither here nor there" out of any situation...."

Well that answers my question as of Friday, I tried to install an old file that I had purchased and lost. After the download I tried to install it, my Norton, ask me for the permission to install, I said yes, (cause it was a file I had before), after I gave it permission it did not install, looked everywhere. I had to install it on a old XP machine that is offline, no virus protection, installed to a blank runtime and then I transferred the files....it was annoying. Never had issues before with my norton, ever.

Hope they fix this issue soon.

I find that, having given permission for the install to run on Avast, it does indeed not install. However I then start the install process again, and that time it runs. Most annoying, but I do get things to work, eventually.

The greatest part of wisdom is learning to develop the ineffable genius of extracting the "neither here nor there" out of any situation...."

Quote -**

Quote - For me it seems that just the MAC Files will be ZIP's now.?!

My PC Files unfortunately are still .exe's 8("

At the moment, yes only the Mac files are showing as zips. It is not a small job converting in excess of 14,000 products to zips, and at the moement there are other priorities. :rolleyes:

Well, hopefully getting the Shop up and running flawlessly is the highest priority?! ;)

Sure, i would love to get rid of the annoying Installer.

But getting Products at all is a much higher priority. ;)

At least, MY live doesn't depend on all this. So ... i can be patient. ;)

Quote - Cyjoe said

Quote - For me it seems that just the MAC Files will be ZIP's now.?!

My PC Files unfortunately are still .exe's 8("

At the moment, yes only the Mac files are showing as zips. It is not a small job converting in excess of 14,000 products to zips, and at the moement there are other priorities. :rolleyes:

To add to this. The Mac zips are still installers, the zip is just a wrapper. The true zips will be, as I understand it, platform-neutral as they are here (but there will be an installer you can install once to extract all the zips, should you wish). I imagine this is why they haven't coded an option to choose between mac and Windows downloads - in future it would rarely be needed.

Quote - Avast has had these problems in the past with DAZ installers, but they are false positives. Avast has choosen to set itself to 'paranoid' level and throws up a warning any time anything is a little hinky looking to it. I switched to MicroSoft Security Essentials and have never gotten a false postive or a virus. MSE is free, not a resource hog and updates itself quickly even on a dial-up connection

Thanks for this info re: MSE. Am going to check it out for someone being set up that needs a freeware like this.

I'm also curious. These 18 files showing the "false" positives - are they older files or new ones re: Genesis and/or metatdata?

On Avast it seems to be a mixture of both older and newer installers. It would seem that something in Daz3D digital signature just sets of the heuristic algorithms coded into the latest version of Avast.

I don't know which version of Avast Stanley uses, but I just the paid for, pro version.

The greatest part of wisdom is learning to develop the ineffable genius of extracting the "neither here nor there" out of any situation...."

..OK just picked up the Visual Style Shaders. The download did bring up warning as there have not been enough evaluations of the file though Norton yet (this occasionally occurs with new releases). It installed without a hitch save for the usual Windows Firewall message.

Again, I'm willing to put up with this from time to time to know that my system is protected. The only time my system was infected was when I was using MacAfee and receiving one of the MS auto updates. Apparently a "door" was left open and a redirect virus piggybacked on the DL. Since then I have all auto updates disabled (including Adobe Flash) and I've set all update services to prompt me first so I can evaluate and scan them.

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@ Chohole and D/S Mods and anyone else who knows:

I am not complaining about the Daz site, only wondering if I'm doing something wrong. All day today I have been attempting to shop a bit at Daz, but now none of my Plat. Club discounts are showing on any of my items. Only yesterday they were working fine. Am I doing something wrong or is this happening to anyone else? I don't expect Daz to have everything fixed quickly, only ASAP. I know that these things take time, I remember the last big changes here at Rendo. I just don't want to buy w/o my discounts, and wondering if it's my fault.

Please don't lock or delete this thread until I get an answer please, but I'll understand. You do what you think is best.

John

This is not my "second childhood". I'm not finished with the first one yet.

Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana.

"I'd like to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather....not screaming in terror like the passengers on his bus." - Jack Handy

Quote - ..OK just picked up the Visual Style Shaders. The download did bring up warning as there have not been enough evaluations of the file though Norton yet (this occasionally occurs with new releases). It installed without a hitch save for the usual Windows Firewall message.

Again, I'm willing to put up with this from time to time to know that my system is protected. The only time my system was infected was when I was using MacAfee and receiving one of the MS auto updates. Apparently a "door" was left open and a redirect virus piggybacked on the DL. Since then I have all auto updates disabled (including Adobe Flash) and I've set all update services to prompt me first so I can evaluate and scan them.

I do have all auto updates disabled, but did recently have an incident happen through McAfee (an old type revived). I found it myself through an article. I probably wouldn't have been aware it existed otherwise.

Manual inspection is required for all installments now - since I'm feeling a little less confident. LOL Thanks for the input.

Tjohn said

Quote - @ Chohole and D/S Mods and anyone else who knows:

I am not complaining about the Daz site, only wondering if I'm doing something wrong. All day today I have been attempting to shop a bit at Daz, but now none of my Plat. Club discounts are showing on any of my items. Only yesterday they were working fine. Am I doing something wrong or is this happening to anyone else? I don't expect Daz to have everything fixed quickly, only ASAP. I know that these things take time, I remember the last big changes here at Rendo. I just don't want to buy w/o my discounts, and wondering if it's my fault.

Please don't lock or delete this thread until I get an answer please, but I'll understand. You do what you think is best.

John

This problem was spotted, and reported to the PTB, but of course it was weekend so I am not certain if they have received the email yet. Will try to keep you posted

The greatest part of wisdom is learning to develop the ineffable genius of extracting the "neither here nor there" out of any situation...."

A few weeks back I tried the WOW demo. With in 2 days my email was flooded with spam; 800 plus a day, some one tried to hack my paypal account, and some one did hack my facebook account. I filed a complaint, and went to the forum, I was beat down fast, everything blaimed on me, it was all some how my fault. I got this from company reps and fanboys. Now I don't trust any of these companies or their reps.

I wont pause my antiV for anything, if DAZ content is flagged and wont install, I just wont shop there anymore. Simple as that. Not my job to report DAZ installers to Avast. DAZ wants it fixed, DAZ can deal with doing it. I don't beta for anyone any more.

Thanks, Chohole! Glad it wasn't me (this time). :D

This is not my "second childhood". I'm not finished with the first one yet.

Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana.

"I'd like to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather....not screaming in terror like the passengers on his bus." - Jack Handy

Quote - Chohole, easy, every post I make on the subject has been deleted. It is not open for discussion on the DAZ forum.

As you can see it is most antiV not just the one I use, so DAZ is right and all the antiv are wrong? Do you honestly beleve that? And isn't antiVs to keep viruses off your machine so you pause them so you can install something with out question?

If it's not open for discussion, there have to be something really wrong with those installers! may be it's daz, that install some spoof software to see you only use official products.

never take you AV down for false positives!

how do you think Botnets would be build ????

falsepositive i don't think soo........

Quote - > Quote - Chohole, easy, every post I make on the subject has been deleted. It is not open for discussion on the DAZ forum.

As you can see it is most antiV not just the one I use, so DAZ is right and all the antiv are wrong? Do you honestly beleve that? And isn't antiVs to keep viruses off your machine so you pause them so you can install something with out question?

If it's not open for discussion, there have to be something really wrong with those installers! may be it's daz, that install some spoof software to see you only use official products.

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never take you AV down for false positives!

how do you think Botnets would be build ????

falsepositive i don't think soo........

Did you not see my answer to Stanley

chohole wrote

Quote - Actually Stan, I told you and others, on the Daz3D site, that AV apps were throwing up false positives as regards some Daz installers, so I don't know how you can say it is not discussed over there.

I also told you that this has been discussed on at least one of the AV suppliers forums, and it was agreed there that the latest upgrades of AV software were more prone to throwing up these false positives.

In fact there even a couple of fixes annotated, to help people get round the problem.

The greatest part of wisdom is learning to develop the ineffable genius of extracting the "neither here nor there" out of any situation...."

So let me get this straight, half a dozen antiVs are wrong, have been wrong for 6 months and DAZ is right?

Take this as you will, in my opinion if your antiV hasn't flagged a DAZ installer you might want to down load and scan your comp with a different antiV. Because if it missed them, not telling what has slipped on to your comp. I'd rather have false posatives all day then have 1 virus slip by.

The biggest source of false positives is from the heuristic models the various AV products use.

Installers by there very nature are more likely to trip those.

A good strategy is to rescan with them turned off, so that if it does trip again, you know it's matching a specific virus signature (and so increases the likelyhood that you've got a true positive).

Quote - I no longer suport nor do busness with DAZ. There are multiple reasons but the first one is I can't install any of my purchases. I have 18 items setting that my antiV absolutly wont let install. My antiV has given me warnings since DAZ went to the new installers. With the last up date to my antiV it just will not let them install now. And I trust my antiV more then DAZ. DAZ installers are the only thing I am having this issue with, so ....

Now why is this here instaead of on the DAZ forum, easy same reason you don't see this discussed on DAZ; I am sure I am not the only one with this issue, because of DAZ's fasiest forum censorship. DAZ's forum is strickly for questions, prase, and commercial posts. Nothing more.

I have the same problem my Avast tells me its a virus but its not. if the installer is older, it will sometimes come up that way. I notice on the new installers Daz uses it doesn't say it's a virus. I've been doing this six years. The older 3D models stallers Daz uses are outdated. Thats why it does that. Make sense? On my system anyway.

And it's not the installers that gives you the virus it's the act of downloading them.

Daz dos not harbor viruses on their site. That's not how a virus works. A virus passes through the simple act of downloading from the web, not installing. And it has nothing to do with a false positive. No such thing.

Stanley said

Quote - So let me get this straight, half a dozen antiVs are wrong, have been wrong for 6 months and DAZ is right?

Take this as you will, in my opinion if your antiV hasn't flagged a DAZ installer you might want to down load and scan your comp with a different antiV. Because if it missed them, not telling what has slipped on to your comp. I'd rather have false posatives all day then have 1 virus slip by.

I give up Stanley, given that you are not going to listen to anything anyone tells you. Avast has gone into paranoid mode since the last full rebuild of the program was installed on people's computers.

Or are you going to tell me that a CD, an actual microsoft CD, one that I have had for some 12 years I calculate, one that has been installed and working on several different computers over these years, has suddenly been infected with some sort of malware. That's a pretty clever sort of malware, one that can suddenly install itself onto a read only CD which has just been sitting in a stack of CDs in a rack near the computer.

The greatest part of wisdom is learning to develop the ineffable genius of extracting the "neither here nor there" out of any situation...."

Quote - Now why is this here instaead of on the DAZ forum, easy same reason you don't see this discussed on DAZ; I am sure I am not the only one with this issue, because of DAZ's fasiest forum censorship. DAZ's forum is strickly for questions, prase, and commercial posts. Nothing more.

This is just not true at all.

False positives caused by many anti-virus packages (and a myriad of issues, including bugs, installation issues, disappointments, and vents at DAZ, etc.) have always been discussed on the DAZ Forums. Do a search on Google and you will prove it to yourself, seeing as you will not listen to those who are trying to help you.

This Google search will bring up pages on the topics from the DAZ Forums:

false positive site:forum.daz3d.com

Due to the updates at DAZ 3D you might have to view the Google cached versions of the pages if you require to read the contents.

3D DAZ Studio/Poser Celebrity Lookalike Directory

Quote - This Google search will bring up pages on the topics from the DAZ Forums:

false positive site:forum.daz3d.com

Due to the updates at DAZ 3D you might have to view the Google cached versions of the pages if you require to read the contents.

And If you use

false positive site:forumarchive.daz3d.com

You can even have that search without relying on the Google cache

If one is so worried about viruses, malware and such, then one is using the wrong OS for what is being done or one needs to change their computing habits.

This slavish devotion to a single tool is crazy. Once the OS becomes a limiter rather than a facilitator, it's time to look for other options.

Kendall

I use Avast and have done for years, yet I don't get any virus warnings from DAZ installers, so the big question is how are you downloading them?

BitRock installers were designed to be a major PITFA to bit torrent users, the multi threaded download system those programs use causes the installers to "throw up a flag", which makes an AV think there is a virus in the file. The problem is that the same can happen if you use a download manager or a 'fancy' browser downloader, as they also use the multi threaded download system.

I don't get the warning when downloading. I download the content the way everyone else does. Right from my DAZ account with no helpers.

I don't get the warning from freebie zips, I don't get the warning installing app demos, I don't get the warning from installing games, I don't get the warning from updates, the only time I get it is trying to install DAZ content.

I'm sorry, when some one is standing knee deep in water telling me it isn't flooding, I'm not going to beleave them.

If DAZ doesn't want to fix/change it's installers so they don't set off antiVs that is on DAZ. If DAZ doesn't want to contact the antiV companies to resolve the issue that is also on DAZ. If it is a false positive issue you would think 8 months is long enough to resolve it. The only conclusion I can come to is there is something in the installers DAZ doesn't want to change, that reads enough like a virus that my antiV wont let it install. That is enough for me to not want it on my machine.

And once again I will ask the question everyone seems to be avoiding answering, if you downloaded content from a site besides DAZ and it sets off your antiV would you pause/turn off your antiV to install it?

If DAZ doesn't want to resolve this issue, DAZ doesn't want me as a customer. And I am sure I am not the only one, just the most vocal. I am not shoping some place where their content consistently sets off my antiV. If renderosities content consistently set off your antiV would you continue to buy and download it? If runtimeDNAs content consistently set off your antiV would you continue to shop there?

No and I don't get any warning when I put a CD in the CD drive, but I get an alert (a false postive) when I try installing it. So now do I contact Microsoft and tell them that my official microsoft Office CD is sending my Avast into Paranoia mode, what are they going to do about it. ANd do I then tell them I am going to stop shopping at microsoft because my AV has done this. Yes of course I am. rolleyes:

The greatest part of wisdom is learning to develop the ineffable genius of extracting the "neither here nor there" out of any situation...."

You may have a virus on your system which is infecting the executables once they have finished downloading onto your system, but it's clear you are not really interested in getting an answer.....

Yeah, like content from DAZ is just going to be chock-full of viruses. Uh-huh. Sure.

Put in a google search for Avast false positves, and see just how many results you get come up. I list just the first few I found this way

http://www.helpmyos.com/t1483-avast-false-positives

http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=96034.0

http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=96895.0

http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=89968.0

Or one virus difinition that resulted in many sites getting blocked by Avast

http://www.spywareinfoforum.com/index.php?/topic/131584-avast-false-positive-bans-innocent-sites/

Or even a false positive that flagged up one of windows XP core files as suspicious file and reccomended that is was removed. Hmmm

http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=89968.0

Please note most of these were reported to Avast on their own forums.

I don't know about you, but I am thinking of changing my Anti Virus program, not my 3D shopping habits

The greatest part of wisdom is learning to develop the ineffable genius of extracting the "neither here nor there" out of any situation...."

Quote - Put in a google search for Avast false positves, and see just how many results you get come up. I list just the first few I found this way

http://www.helpmyos.com/t1483-avast-false-positives

http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=96034.0

http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=96895.0

http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=89968.0

Or one virus difinition that resulted in many sites getting blocked by Avast

http://www.spywareinfoforum.com/index.php?/topic/131584-avast-false-positive-bans-innocent-sites/

Or even a false positive that flagged up one of windows XP core files as suspicious file and reccomended that is was removed. Hmmm

http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=89968.0

Please note most of these were reported to Avast on their own forums.

I don't know about you, but I am thinking of changing my Anti Virus program, not my 3D shopping habits

My dear little valleys girl!!!

Do you ever get the feeling your bashin your head up against a mineshaft wall :laugh:

Hi Kylumi, yup I do get that feeling. It;s like I am trying to ascend that mineshaft with the winding wheel inoperative :rolleyes:

The greatest part of wisdom is learning to develop the ineffable genius of extracting the "neither here nor there" out of any situation...."

Quote - This Google search will bring up pages on the topics from the DAZ Forums:

false positive site:forum.daz3d.com

Due to the updates at DAZ 3D you might have to view the Google cached versions of the pages if you require to read the contents.

Google is, currently, pretty iffy with that addy, and the forumarchive one.

For the moment, I get better results with the DNS number:

false positive site:http://66.180.192.247

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Quote - And once again I will ask the question everyone seems to be avoiding answering, if you downloaded content from a site besides DAZ and it sets off your antiV would you pause/turn off your antiV to install it?

No, but you are talking about a trusted supplier of content of many years here, not an unknown flyby-night operation.

The first time it happened to me with a DAZ installer, I did pause, then I went looking for answers, and when it was clear to me it was a false positive from my current anti-virus at that time (this was around 2007) I ignored it as such and installed my content. I was new to DAZ 3D at that time. I know you have been around a long time, I believe longer than I have to know DAZ 3D not to be a "flea infested" operation.

The difference between you and I is that you think your anti-virus is infallible and your thought process here is flawed.

So there, I did answer the question "everyone" was avoiding. :)

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manleystanley is right.

I don't know about the new DAZ installers, but the older installers were reporting personal information on pre Win 7 machines. After Win 7 came out there was a mistake in the installer that revealed two web pages, showing the personal data that was being transmitted, including the IP address, while installing the product. In pre Win 7 machines there would be a quick flash on the screen, but the customer proabably wouldn't have noticed. It was more than likely a third party company that reported to DAZ the personal statistical information. Even if you didn't run the browser the info still went out. That might be why the antiV pops up for some people, such as manleystanley.

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Quote - > Quote - And once again I will ask the question everyone seems to be avoiding answering, if you downloaded content from a site besides DAZ and it sets off your antiV would you pause/turn off your antiV to install it?

No, but you are talking about a trusted supplier of content of many years here, not an unknown flyby-night operation.

The first time it happened to me with a DAZ installer, I did pause, then I went looking for answers, and when it was clear to me it was a false positive from my current anti-virus at that time (this was around 2007) I ignored it as such and installed my content. I was new to DAZ 3D at that time. I know you have been around a long time, I believe longer than I have to know DAZ 3D not to be a "flea infested" operation.

The difference between you and I is that you think your anti-virus is infallible and your thought process here is flawed.

So there, I did answer the question "everyone" was avoiding. :)

I agree, they are a supplier of content. Trusted... eh... not so much. They are a business who is paranoid about protecing their copyright and will do anything they deem necessary to do so. Even if that means invading your privacy. But hey, if you don't mind an installer grabbing your personal information and reporting it to whomever without your knowledge then more power to you. Blindly trusting any company, no matter how long they've been in business, is naive. Use your common sense and always trust your gut.

Thought process is flawed? I disagree. What's the point of using antiV if you're not going to take it seriously. I'm not familiar with the program manleystanley is using, but it picks up on something the DAZ installer is doing while installing "content." Perhaps it's extracting personal information and submitting to a third party company that reports to DAZ. I believe manleystanley is taking the warning seriously and if one is not going to take it seriously, to some degree, then what's the point of using it. Might as well not use anything at all.

With regard to the question... If I downloaded content from a site besides DAZ and it was an installer that set my antiV off, I would not pause my antiV to install it. Rather I would contact the company to find out more info including an alternate source of installation, like a zip.

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Quote - manleystanley is right.

I don't know about the new DAZ installers, but the older installers were reporting personal information on pre Win 7 machines. After Win 7 came out there was a mistake in the installer that revealed two web pages, showing the personal data that was being transmitted, including the IP address, while installing the product. In pre Win 7 machines there would be a quick flash on the screen, but the customer proabably wouldn't have noticed. It was more than likely a third party company that reported to DAZ the personal statistical information. Even if you didn't run the browser the info still went out. That might be why the antiV pops up for some people, such as manleystanley.

According to Richard Haseltine (Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:09 pm):

Quote - The installers do, or did, check for network access but they don't use it - there's no "call home" element. It is, however, possible that the security software on your system is taking pre-emptive action and so causing the installer to fail.

Usually it is the anti-malware part of the anti-virus package that would warn you. So I grant you that this can cause problems with anti-malware/anti-viruses. Still, a false positive can be ignored when considering where the installers are coming from, it's just commonsense.

I have read a lot on this over the years and I never did see proof that DAZ was receiving personal information from installers. If you have read a post with someone showing proof of this please post the link. Otherwise I treat these as rumors. Many installer packages, including the open source releases, have the ability to allow the developer of a software to receive personal info, many installers include the code regardless if you didn't check a box to setup the feature when creating the installers (this code in the installers could be the bases for all those rumors).

Many software publishers have in the past been hammered when their installers were caught sending personal information and they suffered greatly in the press and loss reputation. Normally, you should always ask the public if it is OK to gather and send this information. Something tells me that if DAZ 3D was doing this in the past it would quickly have been reported and proven and a huge brouhaha would have ensued. I mean, DAZ 3D is getting hammered, as usual, even when moving to a new store engine. LOL!

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Quote - @ Chohole and D/S Mods and anyone else who knows:

I am not complaining about the Daz site, only wondering if I'm doing something wrong.

Yep, your shopping on a broken site so stay away from it till they fix it.

Quote - @ Chohole and D/S Mods and anyone else who knows:

I am not complaining about the Daz site, only wondering if I'm doing something wrong. All day today I have been attempting to shop a bit at Daz, but now none of my Plat. Club discounts are showing on any of my items. Only yesterday they were working fine. Am I doing something wrong or is this happening to anyone else? I don't expect Daz to have everything fixed quickly, only ASAP. I know that these things take time, I remember the last big changes here at Rendo. I just don't want to buy w/o my discounts, and wondering if it's my fault.

Please don't lock or delete this thread until I get an answer please, but I'll understand. You do what you think is best.

John

PC prices and most sales prices weren't showing for part of the weekend, but they appear to be working since yesterday. Are you still having trouble getting PC prices to show?

Quote - > Quote - manleystanley is right.

I don't know about the new DAZ installers, but the older installers were reporting personal information on pre Win 7 machines. After Win 7 came out there was a mistake in the installer that revealed two web pages, showing the personal data that was being transmitted, including the IP address, while installing the product. In pre Win 7 machines there would be a quick flash on the screen, but the customer proabably wouldn't have noticed. It was more than likely a third party company that reported to DAZ the personal statistical information. Even if you didn't run the browser the info still went out. That might be why the antiV pops up for some people, such as manleystanley.

According to Richard Haseltine (Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:09 pm):

Quote - The installers do, or did, check for network access but they don't use it - there's no "call home" element. It is, however, possible that the security software on your system is taking pre-emptive action and so causing the installer to fail.

Usually it is the anti-malware part of the anti-virus package that would warn you. So I grant you that this can cause problems with anti-malware/anti-viruses. Still, a false positive can be ignored when considering where the installers are coming from, it's just commonsense.

I have read a lot on this over the years and I never did see proof that DAZ was receiving personal information from installers. If you have read a post with someone showing proof of this please post the link. Otherwise I treat these as rumors. Many installer packages, including the open source releases, have the ability to allow the developer of a software to receive personal info, many installers include the code regardless if you didn't check a box to setup the feature when creating the installers (this code in the installers could be the bases for all those rumors).

Many software publishers have in the past been hammered when their installers were caught sending personal information and they suffered greatly in the press and loss reputation. Normally, you should always ask the public if it is OK to gather and send this information. Something tells me that if DAZ 3D was doing this in the past it would quickly have been reported and proven and a huge brouhaha would have ensued. I mean, DAZ 3D is getting hammered, as usual, even when moving to a new store engine. LOL!

I was not talking about rumors. I was talking about fact because I have personally experienced it. It has to do with using the old installers (as of August 2008). At the end of the install if you left the check mark for the readme the screen flashed so quickly that you couldn't see the information (like a DOS command) that redirected to a previously existing statistics server. In Win 7 the browser opened and showed the previously hidden information that was being transmitted. In XP, for example, this did not happen, so people didn't notice, but it revealed itself in Win 7. The three pages that opened are:

file://localhost/path of your install (readme)

Hosts:

http://www.data.your country code/poser
http://www.downloads.your country/readme's/product name

The DAZ product readme does not open in Win 7 because it's actually redirected over the other hosts. In theory, the installer sends out install time, product and install location to two servers. These send back the info to your localhost to open the readme on your machine. But, as the hosts do not exist anymore and data is not collected, the info does not get back to your machine and the readme will not open. The readme can only be opened manually from the installed folder.

It might be a fluke that this happened, but using other installers from other companies created in 2008, for example Illusions Designs product installers or any simple installers, don't show this phenomenon of opening three browser pages, two of which collect personal data. So does this mean that DAZ had corrupt installers for years without their knowledge? I don't think so.

If this was an attempt to fight piracy then DAZ should have informed their customers, beforehand, that statistical information would be sent. The DAZ installers that were made between 2001 - 2005 also do not show this phenomenon. Since hidden info is attempting to be sent, I believe manleystanleys's antiV is picking up on this and that's why he gets a warning.

Perhaps there was a quiet brouhaha over this and that's why DAZ has their latest set of installers, which as far as I can tell do not send private information to anyone. For over ten years people have been asking for zip installers, but DAZ ignored these requests. The only reason they're going to zip installers now is simply due to their new eCommerce store. That's just one of the reasons DAZ may be getting hammered. They don't really listen to their customers, or plan well, they do as they please and this is what it gets them... a good hammering.

I know you can't please all of the people all of the time, but you can please most of the people most of the time. If they cared about their customers then, for one example, they would have listened to the majority of them who have requested zip installers years ago.

I would love to shop at DAZ, but they have chosen to lock me out. I will not be forced into using software I don't want to use. They are the one's who have limited their profits. I can't use Genesis or the Gen 5 dolls because it's not Poser applicable. Their choice to limit profits, not mine.

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@mishamcm
Working fine for me now as is the rest of the store. Thanks for asking!

John

This is not my "second childhood". I'm not finished with the first one yet.

Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana.

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Quote -

file://localhost/path of your install (readme)

Hosts:

http://www.data.your country code/poser

http://www.downloads.your country/readme's/product name

I am curious, are those the actual URLs? If so, they seem to be from templates from the installer's creation software.

I re-installed a lot of content from installers from that period to my external hard drive recently, and still am. I run Windows 7 and I have never seen this, not even recently.

Also, I am installing without creating uninstallers and to a temp folder on my C:tempinstall before moving just what I want over to my new runtimes on my external hard drive.

I am not looking to create excuses for DAZ 3D, I am curious to know if those are the actually URLs, because if they are they seem to be an issue when creating the installer files. I remember creating installation files for MAC SO X for my 3D Librarian software and I had to try several times over several updates to get it right. Luckily I had help from a user of the software and am glad no one jumped the gun and accused me of nefarious reasons when in reality it was user error.

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...guess I have little to worry about as to conserve resources on my nearly 6 year old 32 bit notebook, I don't install when I'm online. When the 3G USB modem is removed/wireless access turned off, there is no way my system can make a connection to the net.

...forsaken daughter is watching you.

[Intel Xeon 5660 Hyperthreading 6 core CPU, 24GB GSkill Ripjaws 1333 DDR3 Tri Channel RAM, Nvidia Titan-X GPU with 12GB GDDR5 & 3072 cores, 1 x AData 240 GB SSD (boot) + 1 x 2TB HDD, EGVA 850 G5 PSU Antec P-193 with more fans than Justin Bieber.]

Jazzmin, you seem to "know" an awful lot about what DAZ thinks and why they do things. Since your not a DAZ representative I have to assume that it is yet more speculation based on little or no solid information. Unless you can provide real proof like screen shots or quotes from someone within the company verifying it then it is simply your version of a rumor. Sounds like a big secret to have been able to keep with thousands of us installing hundreds of those over the years.

The biggest reason I think this is a bunch of BS is that if DAZ did have all that information for years and years don't you think we would have heard of them catching and prosecuting at least a few of the thousands of people who have stolen content over the years?

"For over ten years people have been asking for zip installers, but DAZ ignored these requests." And for just that long people have been requesting that they keep the installers. I've not heard one word one about the site change being the reason for a change to zips by the way. It may be simply that they have finally developed a compromise for those of us who didn't want zips and those who did. In this case the download manager thingy.

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a company is NOT going to admit that it is collecting personal info in a covert way!! so whatever makes anyone think that any answer given by a company rep on the issue would be true is delusional, or just has a blind faith in that company..

as fo Stans complaint, it is a legitimate concern. AV's are for the purpose of protecting your personal data and machines( YES some malware CAN cripple your computer, necessitating a drive replacement or can even corrupt the bios) so if a companies products CONSISTANTLY trip warnings, the companies products are at fault, not the AV.

i personally do not use an 'active' AV on my net rig because of lack of resources, but i do run scans at least once a week with several 'on demand' scanners.

plus i run all executables in a Sandbox environment, and scan all zips before installing to the same Sandbox , before installing to a runtime or archiving the files.

fyi, as an aside, the CMS 'pings' ALL outbound ports BEFORE it looks at the internal ports it needs to run

Quote - fyi, as an aside, the CMS 'pings' ALL outbound ports BEFORE it looks at the internal ports it needs to run

What do you base this assertion on?

Quote - I was not talking about rumors. I was talking about fact because I have personally experienced it. It has to do with using the old installers (as of August 2008). At the end of the install if you left the check mark for the readme the screen flashed so quickly that you couldn't see the information (like a DOS command) that redirected to a previously existing statistics server. In Win 7 the browser opened and showed the previously hidden information that was being transmitted. In XP, for example, this did not happen, so people didn't notice, but it revealed itself in Win 7. The three pages that opened are:

file://localhost/path of your install (readme)

Hosts:

http://www.data.your country code/poser

http://www.downloads.your country/readme's/product name

The DAZ product readme does not open in Win 7 because it's actually redirected over the other hosts. In theory, the installer sends out install time, product and install location to two servers. These send back the info to your localhost to open the readme on your machine. But, as the hosts do not exist anymore and data is not collected, the info does not get back to your machine and the readme will not open. The readme can only be opened manually from the installed folder.

It might be a fluke that this happened, but using other installers from other companies created in 2008, for example Illusions Designs product installers or any simple installers, don't show this phenomenon of opening three browser pages, two of which collect personal data. So does this mean that DAZ had corrupt installers for years without their knowledge? I don't think so.

Which installers were involved?

There are security sites all over the place. They can walk you through diagonosing what's actually happening. (Since you can't legally send them examples). Anybody there would be delighted to discover a new malware and spread the word, far and wide.

I agree with nDelphi, this sounds like a curiosity, a minor goofup with template files, or whatever. But why not find out?

With Zone Alarm, and all the variety of other protection suites & utilities that people run, it'd be astounding that nobody noticed spyware behaviour with widely distributed files, before (regardless of OS). Especially considering the tech-savvy of such a large percentage of the Poserverse customers.

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I know the following statement is fact, because my dog told me.

Apparently for years now Daz have been tirelessly working towards destroying their own website infrastructure in an effort to lose infinite amounts of cash, credibility and the respect loyal Daz customers. The Daz hierarchy have reportedly been conspiring to inject viruses and malware into all their exe.files in a concentrated effort to attain customer’s personal data which they could then programme into a purpose built mainframe computer. This information would allow them to pinpoint each members domicile and using their latest technology, a “laser guided memory extraction JavaScript tabulator”, would give them full mind control of around one million people.

For years, governments agents from around the world have been monitoring the Daz situation, but until recently never found any conclusive evidence of wrongdoing.

However, in an Animal Research Laboratory located somewhere in South Wales an undercover agent discovered that sheep were being implanted with a sinister zip.file virus. Yet, again another Daz master plan!! It has been reported that as soon as one of these sheep came into contact with a Daz member the virus would activate automatically and infected spores would be released into the air via the sheep’s backside. The victims would then unknowingly inhale the spores and thus become infected themselves. Victims are completely oblivious to the fact they carry the virus, It only becomes transparent that something is seriously wrong when they try to start-up Daz software……..It crashes, content goes missing and plug-ins will not work, etc, etc. The after effects of the virus are even more terrifying, victims have been known to enter forums and randomly denounce Daz as being incompetent and uncaring……..all, just as the Daz3D company had planned!

I also have solid proof that a large rocket ship [built by Daz3D] will be launched from somewhere in Utah and its destination will be Mars. They intend to colonize the planets spreading chaos and devastation in their wake!!!

If I hear anymore I will be sure to update you guys.

Quote - as fo Stans complaint, it is a legitimate concern.

Again, then why not find out?

Heuristics are for guessing if it's a brand-new malware, which hasn't been reported to anyone yet. They are a yellow flag, not a red flag.

More effort is required from the safety-consious user.

Simplest thing he could do is set the files aside, for a while, and scan with the next upgrade/update (whenever Avast says they've fixed their issue).

More proactively, scan with multiple online scanners.

Multiple files? See what the A/V thinks they are. If each one is a different brand-new malware, then you know you've got an infinitesimal chance that Daz was the first one infected with each one.

Or report suspicions to a security site, and see what they advise.

.

kylumi ..You make me thankful I keep forgetting to install that sheep..

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why do say 'assertion'? are you calling me a liar?

i 'SAW' the CMS 'pinging' the outbound ports.

i was concerned with the need to have it installed as a Windows service. considering it is basically a database, and properly coded would not need to be installed as a service.

so i took a copy of DS4 to a friend of mine who has been programming for over 30 years, he installed it to a 'work rig' and ran a special debugging app he developed on the base code of the CMS. it was there on the screen as the app was running that the CMS WAS pinging outbound ports before it started to look for the internal ports it needs to run.

so, stick that in yer pipe and smoke it! :))

Quote - kylumi ..You make me thankful I keep forgetting to install that sheep..

Not a problem Kory, I am here to serve. :thumbupboth:

Quote - why do say 'assertion'? are you calling me a liar?

No offence was meant. "Assertion" is not-equal to "liar", at least not in my book.

It's an assertion because you didn't provide any details, nor reason to believe it, in your previous post.

Now that there's more detail, it would still have to be verified (reproduced), by others, qualified people, to leave the "assertion" catagory.

To me, the subject of malware is a serious one. Such suspicions call for rigorous investigation. So please forgive me if I speak in a clinical fashion. (I'm not trying to sound like I know more than I actually know. But there are ways to go about things. Hard-core experts are out there. They should be consulted)..

Quote - i 'SAW' the CMS 'pinging' the outbound ports. i was concerned with the need to have it installed as a Windows service. considering it is basically a database, and properly coded would not need to be installed as a service.

so i took a copy of DS4 to a friend of mine who has been programming for over 30 years, he installed it to a 'work rig' and ran a special debugging app he developed on the base code of the CMS. it was there on the screen as the app was running that the CMS WAS pinging outbound ports before it started to look for the internal ports it needs to run.

Then perhaps you could ask him to report his findings, and testing methodology, to people who can try to reproduce his test. Like I said, there are many experts who should be happy to try to confirm such a thing, and evaluate it for level of concern.

Free download that anyone could test on. So there's no obstacle there.

Be interested to hear what they say, if you so choose.

If confirmed, I would suspect that it would be a feature of the database software used to make CMS. Something Daz could probably shut off it they are made aware. Heck, shutting that off might make CMS a little smaller and faster. But this paragraph is a "supposition" on my part.

I don't recall the name of the database software used to write CMS. But I think Richard knows, or could find out. That software, as I recall, is capable of lan or internet access, if that feature is desired by the customer (Daz, in this case).

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Quote - I know the following statement is fact, because my dog told me.

Apparently for years now Daz have been tirelessly working towards destroying their own website infrastructure in an effort to lose infinite amounts of cash, credibility and the respect loyal Daz customers. The Daz hierarchy have reportedly been conspiring to inject viruses and malware into all their exe.files in a concentrated effort to attain customer’s personal data which they could then programme into a purpose built mainframe computer. This information would allow them to pinpoint each members domicile and using their latest technology, a “laser guided memory extraction JavaScript tabulator”, would give them full mind control of around one million people.

For years, governments agents from around the world have been monitoring the Daz situation, but until recently never found any conclusive evidence of wrongdoing.

However, in an Animal Research Laboratory located somewhere in South Wales an undercover agent discovered that sheep were being implanted with a sinister zip.file virus. Yet, again another Daz master plan!! It has been reported that as soon as one of these sheep came into contact with a Daz member the virus would activate automatically and infected spores would be released into the air via the sheep’s backside. The victims would then unknowingly inhale the spores and thus become infected themselves. Victims are completely oblivious to the fact they carry the virus, It only becomes transparent that something is seriously wrong when they try to start-up Daz software……..It crashes, content goes missing and plug-ins will not work, etc, etc. The after effects of the virus are even more terrifying, victims have been known to enter forums and randomly denounce Daz as being incompetent and uncaring……..all, just as the Daz3D company had planned!

I also have solid proof that a large rocket ship [built by Daz3D] will be launched from somewhere in Utah and its destination will be Mars. They intend to colonize the planets spreading chaos and devastation in their wake!!!

If I hear anymore I will be sure to update you guys.

LOL!! Best post of the day, thank you so much :)

kylumi said > Quote - snipped

I know the following statement is fact, because my dog told me.

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I also have solid proof that a large rocket ship [built by Daz3D] will be launched from somewhere in Utah and its destination will be Mars. They intend to colonize the planets spreading chaos and devastation in their wake!!!

* *

If I hear anymore I will be sure to update you guys.

You forgot to mention that they had taken some of those flatulent Welsh Valley sheep with them for company.

The greatest part of wisdom is learning to develop the ineffable genius of extracting the "neither here nor there" out of any situation...."

Done with DAZ? I've done a lot with DAZ over the years! I really want to thank them a lot for GIVING me an extra hobby!

Quote - I know the following statement is fact, because my dog told me.

However, in an Animal Research Laboratory located somewhere in South Wales an undercover agent discovered that sheep were being implanted with a sinister zip.file virus. Yet, again another Daz master plan!! It has been reported that as soon as one of these sheep came into contact with a Daz member the virus would activate automatically and infected spores would be released into the air via the sheep’s backside. The victims would then unknowingly inhale the spores and thus become infected themselves. Victims are completely oblivious to the fact they carry the virus, It only becomes transparent that something is seriously wrong when they try to start-up Daz software……..It crashes, content goes missing and plug-ins will not work, etc, etc. The after effects of the virus are even more terrifying, victims have been known to enter forums and randomly denounce Daz as being incompetent and uncaring……..all, just as the Daz3D company had planned!

I also have solid proof that a large rocket ship [built by Daz3D] will be launched from somewhere in Utah and its destination will be Mars. They intend to colonize the planets spreading chaos and devastation in their wake!!!

If I hear anymore I will be sure to update you guys.

How did your dog find that out? Simply amazing! Though I think he/she should check the reliability of his/her source as my cat informed me that it was cattle, not sheep, being used as the virus carrier.

This is why Daz has never released a Millenium Cow - they don't want to be too obvious in their plans to conquer the universe.

@kylumi:

My dog says he knows your dog, and that your dog lies like a...well, a dog. :D

Seriously though, very funny writing.

Made MY day also.

John

BTW, since I'm fairly new to the D/S Forum, I'd like to say that I'm having a ball with my free D/S 4 (and still free, when the Daz site is up) which includes Genesis for free including "auto-fit".

I like free. :)

And I'm usually on the Bryce Forum, but this one seems nice, too. Looking forward to getting helpful hints here. Hope you don't hate D/S noobs.

John (again)

This is not my "second childhood". I'm not finished with the first one yet.

Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana.

"I'd like to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather....not screaming in terror like the passengers on his bus." - Jack Handy

Could someone PLEASE tell me what are these malware infected .exe bundles, so I can grab them for a thorough testing.

I will be more than happy to put my IT expertise into test, seeing how I got only meager 20 years of it (as opposed to glorious 30, but no worries, I'm good pals with people who have that 30 years under their belt), and see what's going on and do packet analysis and stuff like that.

I can't test anything if people are unwilling to divulge the names of the packages involved; I don't need to get the packages from y'guys, I only need the names of the suspicious packages. Date of download and purchase would also help to pinpoint things. I'm in no way affiliated with DAZ beyond customer relationship, but I'm also bored to tears and this sounds like an excellent nut for me to crack while I await for graphics-based inspiration to come. I only got time to kill while unemployed, but I prefer to hone my IT skills.

Otherwise I'm forced to agree with others that this is a whole lot of speculation over nothing.

Package names, please. *Give me something to do. *

Quote - kylumi said > Quote - snipped

I know the following statement is fact, because my dog told me.

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I also have solid proof that a large rocket ship [built by Daz3D] will be launched from somewhere in Utah and its destination will be Mars. They intend to colonize the planets spreading chaos and devastation in their wake!!!

* *

If I hear anymore I will be sure to update you guys.

You forgot to mention that they had taken some of those flatulent Welsh Valley sheep with them for company.

Hey Cho,

Funnily enough I showed your post to my dog and he told me that your dead right. Daz are taking sheep with them. My dog is now very concerened with how you came by this information and thinks you may have direct inside information.

He fears for your safety.....DAZ [DISRUPTION, ANTAGONISM and ZAP] agents are everywhere!.....keep your eyes open and stay safe!!!

Jazzmin, DAZ installers have never had a phone-home feature. Some, of the vintage you quote, used bad path formatting - they used actual spaces, instead of %20, if theer were any in the path to the readme and if you used a browser other than IE as your default it would have treated the result as multiple separate URLs. So if the folder you installed to was something like "C:3D dataPoser Downloads" you might well get the results you cite - but that would have been a consequence of the folder names in the install path, not URLs in the installer itself nor anything that DAZ planned.

Quote - > Quote - I know the following statement is fact, because my dog told me.

However, in an Animal Research Laboratory located somewhere in South Wales an undercover agent discovered that sheep were being implanted with a sinister zip.file virus. Yet, again another Daz master plan!! It has been reported that as soon as one of these sheep came into contact with a Daz member the virus would activate automatically and infected spores would be released into the air via the sheep’s backside. The victims would then unknowingly inhale the spores and thus become infected themselves. Victims are completely oblivious to the fact they carry the virus, It only becomes transparent that something is seriously wrong when they try to start-up Daz software……..It crashes, content goes missing and plug-ins will not work, etc, etc. The after effects of the virus are even more terrifying, victims have been known to enter forums and randomly denounce Daz as being incompetent and uncaring……..all, just as the Daz3D company had planned!

I also have solid proof that a large rocket ship [built by Daz3D] will be launched from somewhere in Utah and its destination will be Mars. They intend to colonize the planets spreading chaos and devastation in their wake!!!

If I hear anymore I will be sure to update you guys.

How did your dog find that out? Simply amazing! Though I think he/she should check the reliability of his/her source as my cat informed me that it was cattle, not sheep, being used as the virus carrier.

This is why Daz has never released a Millenium Cow - they don't want to be too obvious in their plans to conquer the universe.

By hells teeth and canine poo!...................thats supposed to be classified information, my friend. Your cat knows far to much for its own good. You will have to make sure you can make "safe-house" arrangements.

DAZ [DISRUPTION, ANTAGONISM and ZAP] agents are everywhere. The Millenium Cow is part of their final phase to ensure mayhem on a global scale!!

FYI, my request was not flippantly made; my IT mentor is pals with F-Secure lab, and I can call in favors, if it comes down to that. Considering that F-Secure was not afraid of revealing German government spyware's hairy details and giving statements about how friggin' stupid they were, I do dare say that they would not hesitate to reveal whatever might be hidden inside this stuff, if there's any to be found.

So, please. Tell me what packages were giving warnings and I'll start poking. Otherwise it is gonna be a new round of My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic season 2 or watching Mythbusters from season 1 and I'm not sure if my brain can take it.

Quote - @kylumi:

My dog says he knows your dog, and that your dog lies like a...well, a dog. :D

Seriously though, very funny writing.

Made MY day also.

John

BTW, since I'm fairly new to the D/S Forum, I'd like to say that I'm having a ball with my free D/S 4 (and still free, when the Daz site is up) which includes Genesis for free including "auto-fit".

I like free. :)

And I'm usually on the Bryce Forum, but this one seems nice, too. Looking forward to getting helpful hints here. Hope you don't hate D/S noobs.

John (again)

My dog tells me that he probably does know your dog from his University days.....he went to Cambridge, which University did your dog attend?

Quote - > Quote - kylumi said > Quote - snipped

I know the following statement is fact, because my dog told me.

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I also have solid proof that a large rocket ship [built by Daz3D] will be launched from somewhere in Utah and its destination will be Mars. They intend to colonize the planets spreading chaos and devastation in their wake!!!

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If I hear anymore I will be sure to update you guys.

You forgot to mention that they had taken some of those flatulent Welsh Valley sheep with them for company.

Hey Cho,

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Funnily enough I showed your post to my dog and he told me that your dead right. Daz are taking sheep with them. My dog is now very concerened with how you came by this information and thinks you may have direct inside information.

He fears for your safety.....DAZ [DISRUPTION, ANTAGONISM and ZAP] agents are everywhere!.....keep your eyes open and stay safe!!!

My catlings told me they were talking to the cat over the road, who had heard it from the dog next door, and he said he had it from the horses which his owner has running on the hill and they said they heard it when they managed to excape form their enclosure and went to investigate another place where the grass appeared to be greener and there were people walking around with strange things in their hands which they were swinging about.

The greatest part of wisdom is learning to develop the ineffable genius of extracting the "neither here nor there" out of any situation...."

Quote - Done with DAZ? I've done a lot with DAZ over the years! I really want to thank them a lot for GIVING me an extra hobby!

My dog is very like-minded he tells me "it is the way of the artist".

Funnily enough he also tells me that many Daz members pose as artists but in actual fact they are political activists....however, even I find that hard to believe! :blink:

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - chohole said > Quote - snipped

My catlings told me they were talking to the cat over the road, who had heard it from the dog next door, and he said he had it from the horses which his owner has running on the hill and they said they heard it when they managed to excape form their enclosure and went to investigate another place where the grass appeared to be greener and there were people walking around with strange things in their hands which they were swinging about.

Thats very strange...............my dog took me to exactly the same place last week-end!! :ohmy:

i don't need to have any findings 'verified' by anyone else, i SAW exactly what the CMS was doing as it started up.

don't farking care if you don't believe my post. thats your prerogative.

i did not 'assert' anything, i saw it happening onscreen.

if you want it verified, get off your arse and get a debugger to run the code for you.

Quote - i don't need to have any findings 'verified' by anyone else, i SAW exactly what the CMS was doing as it started up.

don't farking care if you don't believe my post. thats your prerogative.

i did not 'assert' anything, i saw it happening onscreen.

if you want it verified, get off your arse and get a debugger to run the code for you.

You need to learn a lot, about a lot. First and foremost is how to use a hexeditor to read what an exe is actually doing. Or in this case a .dll. But your screen didn't tell you that did it? Do you even know which dlls are responsible for communicating with the CMS? Under 4.5 that part is easy to determine, even without a hexeditor.

Unless your environment has 'localhost' redirected to an address other than 127.0.0.1 the CMS does NOT ping anything outside of your machine. I have a CMS modified to actually work with a network centalized ValentinaDB, and my 30+ years of professional IT experience tells me that I have to manually patch the necessary bits in order to get the CMS to go anywhere but localhost. I have been doing this since the 4.0 beta.

Kendall

Kylumi said

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - > Quote - chohole said > Quote - snipped

My catlings told me they were talking to the cat over the road, who had heard it from the dog next door, and he said he had it from the horses which his owner has running on the hill and they said they heard it when they managed to excape form their enclosure and went to investigate another place where the grass appeared to be greener and there were people walking around with strange things in their hands which they were swinging about.

Thats very strange...............my dog took me to exactly the same place last week-end!! :ohmy:

Ahah, we could be getting closer to the source of the infiltrations. Now all we need to know is who are members of M**l.......umm..........that establishment and we will find the sleeper who has been releasing classified information.

Fear not low ranking Disruption,Antagonism and Zap agents are on the trail of the traitor. :unsure:

The greatest part of wisdom is learning to develop the ineffable genius of extracting the "neither here nor there" out of any situation...."

Kendall, don't judge others by your own failings, matey. my friend has worked in software development for over 30 years, he was on the teams that wrote the software for military flight simulators, including the Seaking , the Merlin, and several fixed wing combat aircraft. he now works in research and development division of British Aerospace, and all i have seen of 'your' expertise is a little website that hasn't been updated for years.

btw, i don't need to 'learn' anything about coding or debugging software, i have friends who are experts in their fields, and earn a nice salary doing the job they love.

they are not half-arsed 1 man bands. :))

Quote - I know the following statement is fact, because my dog told me.

Apparently for years now Daz have been tirelessly working towards destroying their own website infrastructure in an effort to lose infinite amounts of cash, credibility and the respect loyal Daz customers. The Daz hierarchy have reportedly been conspiring to inject viruses and malware into all their exe.files in a concentrated effort to attain customer’s personal data which they could then programme into a purpose built mainframe computer. This information would allow them to pinpoint each members domicile and using their latest technology, a “laser guided memory extraction JavaScript tabulator”, would give them full mind control of around one million people.

For years, governments agents from around the world have been monitoring the Daz situation, but until recently never found any conclusive evidence of wrongdoing.

However, in an Animal Research Laboratory located somewhere in South Wales an undercover agent discovered that sheep were being implanted with a sinister zip.file virus. Yet, again another Daz master plan!! It has been reported that as soon as one of these sheep came into contact with a Daz member the virus would activate automatically and infected spores would be released into the air via the sheep’s backside. The victims would then unknowingly inhale the spores and thus become infected themselves. Victims are completely oblivious to the fact they carry the virus, It only becomes transparent that something is seriously wrong when they try to start-up Daz software……..It crashes, content goes missing and plug-ins will not work, etc, etc. The after effects of the virus are even more terrifying, victims have been known to enter forums and randomly denounce Daz as being incompetent and uncaring……..all, just as the Daz3D company had planned!

I also have solid proof that a large rocket ship [built by Daz3D] will be launched from somewhere in Utah and its destination will be Mars. They intend to colonize the planets spreading chaos and devastation in their wake!!!

If I hear anymore I will be sure to update you guys.

rsquo;s backside. The victims would then unknowingly inhale the spores and thus become infected themselves. Victims are completely oblivious to the fact they carry the virus, It only becomes transparent that something is seriously wrong when they try to start-up Daz software ===========================================================

Boooy I think you need serious Help ..... or start to write Storry Books . this happens when sombody looses sence of reality spending to much time in virtuality. if this is your way or interpration of what you read in this thread , then your sence of understanding is pretty screwed up , and dont bring the excuse that it is a cause of google translator cos you dont speek english.

But also a good way to hide the trouth by misleading the things with ridicoulous arguments.

I think as long the Installers install the stuff it does not matter if somone gets information , they do this all over anyway , you already registrated by only visiting a site ( what do they wanna do with all these infos over the world anyway ) seem that people that spend to much time on a computer gets slightly Paranoid.

BTW:

the issue with opening different Pages on the DAZ intallers ... Round Type with Z Logo also happen to me. what was mentioned erlier from the user did not seem to be an accusement but rather a discovery ... well the computer does not seem to have taken any damadge :-)

Quote - Kendall, don't judge others by your own failings, matey. my friend has worked in software development for over 30 years, he was on the teams that wrote the software for military flight simulators, including the Seaking , the Merlin, and several fixed wing combat aircraft. he now works in research and development division of British Aerospace, and all i have seen of 'your' expertise is a little website that hasn't been updated for years.

btw, i don't need to 'learn' anything about coding or debugging software, i have friends who are experts in their fields, and earn a nice salary doing the job they love.

they are not half-arsed 1 man bands. :))

Your history of DAZ bashing on this site means that you lost all credibility a long time ago. So stick it.....

The Bryster lives in Wales. I suspect his sheep might be up to no good.

Sorry didn't mean to take a sheep shot at him.

Quote - i don't need to have any findings 'verified' by anyone else, i SAW exactly what the CMS was doing as it started up. don't farking care if you don't believe my post. thats your prerogative.

My presumption was that you were telling us this, out of regard for the forum's members. So I suggested that you might wish to prevail upon your friend to report it to the security experts who can give their findings to the public. (Such as us fellow consumers who you are posting to).

Quote - i did not 'assert' anything, i saw it happening onscreen. if you want it verified, get off your arse and get a debugger to run the code for you.

I gather that you took offence to an inoffensive word, "assertion", even after I assured you no offence was offered. I'm sorry to hear it, if that is what happened. I don't mean for formal language to invite offence.

You've told us you saw something.

I've expressed neither belief nor disbelief. Purely objective.

But since none of us witnessed you witnessing that, it's just something someone said once, to the readers at large. Might inspire fear in some, skepticism in others. (I've not expressed my reaction).

If this were to come from known security experts, there would be considerably more certainty, on the parts of more people.

But do as you wish. I merely made suggestions.

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Quote - Sorry didn't mean to take a sheep shot at him.

Is that a sheepish look I see you giving him.

The greatest part of wisdom is learning to develop the ineffable genius of extracting the "neither here nor there" out of any situation...."

Quote - Kendall, don't judge others by your own failings, matey. my friend has worked in software development for over 30 years, he was on the teams that wrote the software for military flight simulators, including the Seaking , the Merlin, and several fixed wing combat aircraft. he now works in research and development division of British Aerospace, and all i have seen of 'your' expertise is a little website that hasn't been updated for years.

btw, i don't need to 'learn' anything about coding or debugging software, i have friends who are experts in their fields, and earn a nice salary doing the job they love.

they are not half-arsed 1 man bands. :))

My dog is an expert in his field, too.

also,

I once had a friend who was an expert in bomb demolition....he was a recognized authority on land-mines and incenderies. He had his right arm blown whilst defusing one of them.

I own about 50 sheep, but they are only about 10 mm high and made of plastic, so I am hoping they don't pose a significant threat.

Quote - > Quote - I know the following statement is fact, because my dog told me.

Apparently for years now Daz have been tirelessly working towards destroying their own website infrastructure in an effort to lose infinite amounts of cash, credibility and the respect loyal Daz customers. The Daz hierarchy have reportedly been conspiring to inject viruses and malware into all their exe.files in a concentrated effort to attain customer’s personal data which they could then programme into a purpose built mainframe computer. This information would allow them to pinpoint each members domicile and using their latest technology, a “laser guided memory extraction JavaScript tabulator”, would give them full mind control of around one million people.

For years, governments agents from around the world have been monitoring the Daz situation, but until recently never found any conclusive evidence of wrongdoing.

However, in an Animal Research Laboratory located somewhere in South Wales an undercover agent discovered that sheep were being implanted with a sinister zip.file virus. Yet, again another Daz master plan!! It has been reported that as soon as one of these sheep came into contact with a Daz member the virus would activate automatically and infected spores would be released into the air via the sheep’s backside. The victims would then unknowingly inhale the spores and thus become infected themselves. Victims are completely oblivious to the fact they carry the virus, It only becomes transparent that something is seriously wrong when they try to start-up Daz software……..It crashes, content goes missing and plug-ins will not work, etc, etc. The after effects of the virus are even more terrifying, victims have been known to enter forums and randomly denounce Daz as being incompetent and uncaring……..all, just as the Daz3D company had planned!

I also have solid proof that a large rocket ship [built by Daz3D] will be launched from somewhere in Utah and its destination will be Mars. They intend to colonize the planets spreading chaos and devastation in their wake!!!

If I hear anymore I will be sure to update you guys.

rsquo;s backside. The victims would then unknowingly inhale the spores and thus become infected themselves. Victims are completely oblivious to the fact they carry the virus, It only becomes transparent that something is seriously wrong when they try to start-up Daz software ===========================================================

Boooy I think you need serious Help ..... or start to write Storry Books . this happens when sombody looses sence of reality spending to much time in virtuality. if this is your way or interpration of what you read in this thread , then your sence of understanding is pretty screwed up , and dont bring the excuse that it is a cause of google translator cos you dont speek english.

But also a good way to hide the trouth by misleading the things with ridicoulous arguments.

I think as long the Installers install the stuff it does not matter if somone gets information , they do this all over anyway , you already registrated by only visiting a site ( what do they wanna do with all these infos over the world anyway ) seem that people that spend to much time on a computer gets slightly Paranoid.

BTW:

the issue with opening different Pages on the DAZ intallers ... Round Type with Z Logo also happen to me. what was mentioned erlier from the user did not seem to be an accusement but rather a discovery ... well the computer does not seem to have taken any damadge :-)

My dog thinks you are kind of amusing because of your inability to spell everyday words. Me personally, I think you are one of those anarchist type of chaps that had a sense of humour bypass back in the 60's.

But, never fear we do not bear any grudges. We are all to busy with the more important things in life.....seeking and destroying, Disruption Antagonism & Zap agents.....who, I believe are feeding off of this thread. :thumbupboth:

Quote - I own about 50 sheep, but they are only about 10 mm high and made of plastic, so I am hoping they don't pose a significant threat.

Britains comes to mind.....most excellent!!!......please tell me they are Britains!

@kylumi, and the other paticipating satarists, LOL!

Myself, I'll never divulge what I know... Oooooh, I bet that gives me some status, too. :)

Oops, I think I may've finally hinted at a non-objective reaction to all this. Drat.

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Quote - > Quote - I own about 50 sheep, but they are only about 10 mm high and made of plastic, so I am hoping they don't pose a significant threat.

Britains comes to mind.....most excellent!!!......please tell me they are Britains!

Sadly not Britains as they would be a bit overscale for my railway models, but I agree the Britains farm models are really nice. I do have a couple of Britains trees somewhere though.

Some of my sheep are from the old Airfix Farm Stock sets. When i was a lad these sets sold for two shillings each ( 10p in decimal ) down at the local newsagent. These days I have seen the same sets sell for as much as £40 on Ebay !! mine long since were pulled of their sprues and painted, and the boxes are long gone. I buy models to use them, not to keep them pristine in their original packaging. Kind of like James May, but on about 1% of his budget. lol.

kylumi and chohole are you self appointed DAZ representatives? Because if you are then you're embarassing the company. Are we back in grade school where bullies got together to try to push other people around? Seriously? You wrote an amazing story kylumi, you should pass that by a publisher and see what they have to say. Who knows, you might get published. Is this the type of climate you maintain in the DAZ forums? Do you make fun of people for daring to question the almighty DAZ? Do you really get that frustrated with people because they continue to disagree with you? If you aren't communicating effeciently, it's best to let someone else handle it. And if you aren't capable of having a decent conversation without making fun or cutting people then you both should probably just keep your mouth shut.

With regard to the installers, I don't know what's up. What I do know is that people have complained about their AV giving them a warning with some DAZ installers. I've seen first-hand what happens when I've installed from the older installers, the one's that are red with a round DAZ logo and a Z. I already provided the URLs to the previous sites that were, potentially, collecting the info. Now, either the information was being gleaned in order to provide personal information so DAZ could track who is installing their products and/or for marketting purposes. Doesn't matter, what does matter is that if they were collecting personal information, they should have informed their customers first.

If DAZ was not collecting the information, and this just occurred to me, the other possiblity is that whomever made the installers left tracks in the installers before licensing, and it's very possible that DAZ was not aware. However, they should have been in the know about this before allowing customers to use them.

Skiriki, I have hundreds of DAZ installers and I don't have time to install each one in order to give you examples. Just go through your own data, pick some that come from 2008 and away you go... Look for the one's made in 2008 with the red DAZ logo. If you have the Win 7 developer installed on a machine, that might be worth doing your research on.

RHaseltine, thank you for the explanation. I still don't understand how the installer would bring up three web pages. One for download.com, one for data.country code/poser and the last one was supposed to load the readme, but couldn't find it on the localhost. And these are the same URLs no matter what product I've installed that come from 2008.

Khory_D, I am using common sense and learned a long time ago to never follow along like a lamb. Always question when something isn't right. You're right, this is speculation. It's how people get to the bottom of things. It's how questions are answered. I don't need to provide you or anyone else with proof. This isn't a court of law and you are not my judge. Believe whatever you want. I am simply pointing out issues with the installers in correlation with the warnings that manleystanley spoke about. Besides the fact that many, if not all, businesses hire other companies to do their marketting research. How do you think commercials targe specific audiences? It's how businesses operate and how they stay in business. Ever answer a questionaire for a company? It was a result of marketting research. We are a society of net freaks, so marektting has adapted. It isn't beyond the realm of possibilities have personal data released or to be tracked through an installer.

You think this is a bunch of BS? Good for you, I'm glad you have an opinion that you felt you could express freely without other people making fun of you. Other people are expressing their thoughts and concerns and they are just as valid as anyone else. I don't know if DAZ was collecting the info for piracy purposes or for marketting or both or if they even knew about it. I have no clue. What I do know is what I've seen and I'm combining that with what other people are saying with regard to the installers.

I didn't say that the DAZ site change was the reason for a change to zips. I said that many customers have requested zips over installers. But that never happened and the ONLY reason it's happening now is because the new "eCommerce site cannot deliver installers," so DAZ must convert to zips. At least that's what I read in their forum a few days before it went down.

Those of you who are joking around having a good time making fun of people, you can just laugh alone. Why not let a DAZ representative answer questions without your interferance, or is there something you feel you need to protect them from? DAZ is not a person nor are they a child who needs protecting and defending. They are a hierarchy of individuals who run a corporation. Those of you who feel that DAZ has been slighted or bashed. Stop it! Stop getting emotional about a company and start acting like adults. You know the one's who debate with respect.

Vive Bene. Spesso L'Amore. Di Risata Molto.
Live Well. Love Often. Laugh Much.

The simple facts would stand that if DAZ installers held viruses, then there would be thousands of people all running into attacks on a regular basis.

You really cannot argue that fact.

I (obviously) purchase alot of daz products and have so for over 10 years now....and never once have I recieved a virus from any of the installers. (and since this is a business for me, you can bet I have decent AV programs to make sure things are kept clean)

The obvious conclusion is that the AV reports you are getting are reporting a false positive.

I am no techy by any stretch of the imagination...just a dumb artist......but those facts are pretty conclusive, even to a simple guy like me.

Rawn

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I don't think anyone is trying to protect anyone from anything, I think that people have put out reasonable and logical explainations for things mentioned in the OP. However that isn't enough for everybody so the conversation started going in circles.

Because of this some people decided to lighten the mood. I don't see any bullying going on, but I do sense that some may be taking things more seriously then they are.

This isn't Daz's offical forum so I really don't see why comments need to be limited to staff, some of the most relevent and insightful posts came from regular joes.

Jazzmin,

Real respect has to be earned. There are some users of this site that I have a lot of respect for, and other for which I have none.... That comes from years of visiting this site and reading what people post and how they conduct themselves. As for yourself I have the same respect for you as I would have for any person that I don't know since I haven't read any of your posts outside this thread.

To the issue at hand, do DAZ installers carry a virus? I think you will find if you read through this thread that it has been investigated before and the answer was no. I agree that if AV software flags up a warning, then it is sensible to check, and each person must make a decision if they believe the answer they get from the vendor, or not. Personally I make an informed decision based on the reputatation of the person providing the information, and on 25+ years experience in IT. I have had a couple of viruses on my home computer, usually they got in before my AV was updated to detect them. I think the first one was on 'Flair Paint' on an Atari ST and unusually that did come on the floppy disk from the vendor. I have never had a virus from DAZ, or from models I bought from Zygote before DAZ was split off. ( first model I bought I think was the racing car driver from Zygote. wow a long time ago lol. )

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Those of you who are joking around having a good time making fun of people, you can just laugh alone. Why not let a DAZ representative answer questions without your interferance, or is there something you feel you need to protect them from? DAZ is not a person nor are they a child who needs protecting and defending. They are a hierarchy of individuals who run a corporation. Those of you who feel that DAZ has been slighted or bashed. Stop it! Stop getting emotional about a company and start acting like adults. You know the one's who debate with respect.

I for one was sincere in all my posts. I asked you to tell me if the URLs you posted were the exact ones you saw. If so, I explained how those possibly got there and also how installation-package creating suits have the potential to help developers gather relevant information from users (whether hidden or asked for).

We also understand how marketing works. I for one am not a sheeple, hell, I am as libertarian as they come.

From your last post I deduced that those are the exact URLs that you saw and in that case those URLs do nothing and go nowhere. When it comes to URLs they are as meaningless as trying to ask a Spanish speaker in English to do something. They are malformed, not correct syntax for URLs.

3D DAZ Studio/Poser Celebrity Lookalike Directory

gate wrote:

Quote - the issue with opening different Pages on the DAZ intallers ... Round Type with Z Logo

also happen to me. what was mentioned erlier from the user did not seem to be an
accusement but rather a discovery ... well the computer does not seem to have taken any damadge :-)

Jazzmin wrote:

Quote - With regard to the installers, I don't know what's up. What I do know is that people have complained about their AV giving them a warning with some DAZ installers. I've seen first-hand what happens when I've installed from the older installers, the one's that are red with a round DAZ logo and a Z. I already provided the URLs to the previous sites that were, potentially, collecting the info. Now, either the information was being gleaned in order to provide personal information so DAZ could track who is installing their products and/or for marketting purposes. Doesn't matter, what does matter is that if they were collecting personal information, they should have informed their customers first.

Too bad noone can name files. But that narrows it down. If it's all of those, then it should be easy to find one. :-)

That is curious behavior, alright. For the first time, ever, I kinda wish I had Windows 7, so I could see it.

Personally, I strongly doubt if it means anything nefarious.

Spyware is something that (I feel) should be opposed. And if doubts are raised, I'd like to see the security experts check it out. They can settle the matter.

Jazzmin wrote:> Quote - Is this the type of climate you maintain in the DAZ forums?

Pretty much. :-) When things get too heated, and personal, then silly off-topic joking often commences. It's a defusing tactic which attempts to ease the tensions, and stave off severe moderation. (more to follow)

Jazzmin wrote:

Quote - Do you make fun of people for daring to question the almighty DAZ?

I can see why you'd ask that.

I'm sorry you got criticized, and lumped in with some others. I see that you consider other explanations, which kinda sets you apart from some others who've raised their concerns. I don't hold it against you that you have suspicions.
If you look back through this thread, you see a lot of jumping to conclusions, and sticking to them regardless. A lot of proclamations about Daz's intentions were made. (The OP, while a helpful & knowledgeable curmudgeon, over there, is known for a tendency to stick to his initial opinions. He has a certain level of frustration with the company's tendencies, and, well... sometimes extrapolates...).

Someone noticed that it had evolved to be indistinguishable from an argument on a conspiracy-theory site. So a parody was made.

I found it funny. But since a parody could conceivably be met with anger, it was followed with a lot of off-topic sillieness.

And now we're here. Sorry again, try not to take it personally. Gets crazy when we're around, sometimes.

Bet Rendo will be happy to get a lot of us back where we can be... you know, giving ulcers to moderators who are used to it. ;-)

Quote - kylumi and chohole are you self appointed DAZ representatives? Because if you are then you're embarassing the company. Are we back in grade school where bullies got together to try to push other people around? Seriously? You wrote an amazing story kylumi, you should pass that by a publisher and see what they have to say. Who knows, you might get published. Is this the type of climate you maintain in the DAZ forums? Do you make fun of people for daring to question the almighty DAZ? Do you really get that frustrated with people because they continue to disagree with you? If you aren't communicating effeciently, it's best to let someone else handle it. And if you aren't capable of having a decent conversation without making fun or cutting people then you both should probably just keep your mouth shut.

Hello my friend.

The answer to your first sentence is, YES! we are, but which company are you referring to? are you referring to the company that knowingly retail virus infected packages or this one, Rendo?

Are we back in grade school........well reading this thread I did think that we were, am I mistaken?

Funny you should mention publishing, I have been published and I recommend you read it, http://www.amazon.co.uk/Figures-Characters-Avatars-Official-Beautiful/dp/1435461207/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1337785587&sr=8-4#reader_1435461207

I have never been accused of being a bully before but, if you say that is what I am then it must be true.

Can you point me to a part of this thread which involves decent communication accomplishing an end result?

I think by the length of your posts you aquit yourself very well in the communication stakes....so, I will be more than happy to let you handle my communications, too.

I have asked my dog about keeping my mouth shut.....he told me he did not like your tone!

Quote - i don't need to have any findings 'verified' by anyone else, i SAW exactly what the CMS was doing as it started up.

This is not about you, this is about everyone else.

If there is a problem with the installers -- spyware, rootkits, trojans, viruses, you name it -- it is for everyone's benefit to get them removed, and guilty parties found and nailed to the wall.

Quote - don't farking care if you don't believe my post. thats your prerogative.

And, it is not about belief. It is about being able to test and verify.

Quote - i did not 'assert' anything, i saw it happening onscreen.

For the record, hitting 'print screen' button and then pasting the result into some paint program is a great way to provide evidence.

Quote - if you want it verified, get off your arse and get a debugger to run the code for you.

You're missing the point: *I want to verify it myself, but until I'm told which ones specifically gave you the bleep, I cannot. *

Quote - Skiriki, I have hundreds of DAZ installers and I don't have time to install each one in order to give you examples. Just go through your own data, pick some that come from 2008 and away you go... Look for the one's made in 2008 with the red DAZ logo. If you have the Win 7 developer installed on a machine, that might be worth doing your research on.

No. This is not how it works.

I do not own everything. As a matter of fact, I own very little. I'm a newbie with 3D content. I am ready to make a purchase in name of getting this tested.
In order to test reliably, I absolutely need to know which .exes have been raising the flag. Once I have the offending .exe myself, I want to compare the hashtags to confirm that we both have the same .exe, and the one I have is hot off the store.
I take issues with security seriously especially when they are related to personal information. So I have full motivation to find out what's going on and deliver ass-whooping of epic proportions if I must; EU area has some pretty damn strict right of privacy laws. However, I refuse to chase a wild goose.
And, as I have said before, this is not about you. This is more than that: this is about the well-being of everyone around.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Skiriki,

Your plan of action looks very sensible, and I would be very interested in any results you obtain if you do get a 'suspect' exe to study, whatever the result.

Since you are approaching this in a professional way and intending to investigate first hand, I would be inclined to trust your findings. I think you should be mentally prepared though that some people will not believe your results unless they agree with their pre-concieved ideas on what the answer will be.

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - I own about 50 sheep, but they are only about 10 mm high and made of plastic, so I am hoping they don't pose a significant threat.

Britains comes to mind.....most excellent!!!......please tell me they are Britains!

Sadly not Britains as they would be a bit overscale for my railway models, but I agree the Britains farm models are really nice. I do have a couple of Britains trees somewhere though.

Some of my sheep are from the old Airfix Farm Stock sets. When i was a lad these sets sold for two shillings each ( 10p in decimal ) down at the local newsagent. These days I have seen the same sets sell for as much as £40 on Ebay !! mine long since were pulled of their sprues and painted, and the boxes are long gone. I buy models to use them, not to keep them pristine in their original packaging. Kind of like James May, but on about 1% of his budget. lol.

Now that does sound interesting. Have you ever been to the Miniatur Wunderland in Hamburg?

It is bloody amazing, its the largest minature railway layout in the world.

I bet you would love it, I did, and I am not a model railway enthusiast.

"Khory_D, I am using common sense and learned a long time ago to never follow along like a lamb. Always question when something isn't right. "

And I am questioning accusations of wrong doing that are not backed up by the presentation of solid proof. Or am I expected to blindly follow what people I don't know state as "fact" without presenting proof?

"You think this is a bunch of BS? Good for you, I'm glad you have an opinion that you felt you could express freely without other people making fun of you. "

So I say what I believe and you have a go at it? How is that different than what others did? You can't have it both ways. Be upset others disagree with you but vilify anyone who doesn't believe what you do.

Just so we are clear..Not believing someone or disagreeing, or being funny for that matter is considered bulling. But saying someone has failings as a professional or that someone else should "keep your mouth shut" is alright behavior?

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Quote - > Quote - i don't need to have any findings 'verified' by anyone else, i SAW exactly what the CMS was doing as it started up.

This is not about you, this is about everyone else.

If there is a problem with the installers -- spyware, rootkits, trojans, viruses, you name it -- it is for everyone's benefit to get them removed, and guilty parties found and nailed to the wall.

Quote - don't farking care if you don't believe my post. thats your prerogative.

And, it is not about belief. It is about being able to test and verify.

Quote - i did not 'assert' anything, i saw it happening onscreen.

For the record, hitting 'print screen' button and then pasting the result into some paint program is a great way to provide evidence.

Quote - if you want it verified, get off your arse and get a debugger to run the code for you.

You're missing the point: *I want to verify it myself, but until I'm told which ones specifically gave you the bleep, I cannot. *

Quote - Skiriki, I have hundreds of DAZ installers and I don't have time to install each one in order to give you examples. Just go through your own data, pick some that come from 2008 and away you go... Look for the one's made in 2008 with the red DAZ logo. If you have the Win 7 developer installed on a machine, that might be worth doing your research on.

No. This is not how it works.

I do not own everything. As a matter of fact, I own very little. I'm a newbie with 3D content. I am ready to make a purchase in name of getting this tested.

In order to test reliably, I absolutely need to know which .exes have been raising the flag. Once I have the offending .exe myself, I want to compare the hashtags to confirm that we both have the same .exe, and the one I have is hot off the store.

I take issues with security seriously especially when they are related to personal information. So I have full motivation to find out what's going on and deliver ass-whooping of epic proportions if I must; EU area has some pretty damn strict right of privacy laws. However, I refuse to chase a wild goose.

And, as I have said before, this is not about you. This is more than that: this is about the well-being of everyone around.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

It appears to me that you are the man that actually can!

I agree with Ian regarding your test and verification investigations........some people only want to hear what they are saying themselves!

By the way, my dog likes you.

Quote - Your plan of action looks very sensible, and I would be very interested in any results you obtain if you do get a 'suspect' exe to study, whatever the result.

Thanks, it is my intention also to document every step, so people can verify it themselves, instead of having to rely on my word alone. Also, if I have to take it up to F-Secure lab, I'll do my best to squeeze a full report out of it.

Quote - Since you are approaching this in a professional way and intending to investigate first hand, I would be inclined to trust your findings. I think you should be mentally prepared though that some people will not believe your results unless they agree with their pre-concieved ideas on what the answer will be.

Sadly, this is a feature built into humans. Fallible, we are.

Quote - It appears to me that you are the man that actually can!

Lady, but no offense taken. ;)

Quote - I agree with Ian regarding your test and verification investigations........some people only want to hear what they are saying themselves!

Possibly, but I want to give them benefit of doubt, and start with the assumption "they saw something, let's investigate what they saw". In order to investigate, I must know details. If people worry that they can't tell me out in public, because "of course they'd be taken off store and you couldn't check or modified to remove the harmful bits" or something like that, my private message box is accepting contacts.

Like I said, I'm willing to get the item, poke and prod and see what happens. However, I expect cooperation from the other party too, and that cooperation requires...

Providing me .exe file names (names, not files themselves), and willingness to answer questions if I have any; my questions are going to be along lines of "OS, running processes, day of acquiring the file, source, default browsers, software used to initial examination of the issue" and so on.
Comparing file hashtags afterward in order to find out whether we have the same version, acquiring a different sample if I must

I am fully ready to do all this in privacy of private messages or e-mail, hey, whatever. But I am not willing to go running around like a headless chicken and guesswork which .exe file is doing it.

Just because file XYZ is bringing up an alarm, and is from the batch claimed to be foul, it does not mean that file ABC from the same batch is going to do the same. What if in compiling the exe one option was switched off? What if I grab ABC which doesn't alarm anything, whereas the culprit is XYZ?

This is why I absolutely need to know a file name that gave the trouble. This is why I need to compare results and hashtags.

Believe me, if I find anything that looks like virus/trojan/rootkit/data miner/etc I will absolutely blow a gasket and go on warpath.

But in order to do that, I need cooperation.

If I can't get any cooperation, I cannot allocate resources and investigate.

Quote - By the way, my dog likes you.

Err, I'm honored? My in-laws' dog just wants to stick her nose into my face or my crotch. Is this doggese for "I like you"?

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file://localhost/path of your install (readme)

Hosts:

http://www.data.your country code/poser

http://www.downloads.your country/readme's/product name

To many users/people, these "url's" may appear suspicious, but honestly, I find it hard to believe they are anything to be concerned about. Additionally, I find it very hard to believe that they are sending any sort of personal information to DAZ, or anyone else.
Keep in mind, this is much like "taking a statement out of context" .... actually .... it is literally taking a statement out of context. In this case, Windows 7 is trapping requests or statements, that it doesn't understand, or possibly the UAC won't let happen. But we know nothing about what came before or after the statement, which leaves it completely open to interpretation, and based on one's personal biases and experiences, this interpretation can range from "it's an evil plot to send personal information back to the mother ship" to "it's garbage code in the installer".

As someone already mentioned, as they stand, they are not properly formed URL's, and could not be effectively used as they stand by any browser. Doing a whois lookup on the two www "URL's" gives no indication that these are some sort of tracking or information collecting sites. From the information provided, and knowing that the installers are somewhat smart (i.e. they "remember" the last location you installed to), in context, these statements may either refer to the internal locations that the original data came from at DAZ, or the customization used, or that could potentially be used, for the installer to use local language/characters (i.e. the country references could be used to look at the same file that gives the last installation location for language/character set usage by the installer). But, given the fact that this only happens when the view the readme option is checked in the last step of installation, I would surmize that at least the first statement is used by the installer scripts to open the proper readme in your browser.

Now, all this is simply conjecture on my part, based on the statements provided above, with my attempt to place them in what I feel would be a proper context, based on 25 years of experience in IT. My experience in IT includes everything from systems management, to programming, to security management. If someone needed to use these very same installers on any of the systems I am responsible for, I would have no problems with their use at all. But, your mileage may vary.

As for all the talk about the warnings that ManleyStanley is experiencing, I've had the same warnings, but went ahead and installed my content (and told the AV to ignore them), after installation the system is fine - no viruses. Again, this is simply a guess, but looking at the behavior of the installers, false positives can be expected. They are "intelligent" installers. I'm not trying to be facetious here, but how do you think they "know" where to install stuff in non-standard locations? They can't use the force, so they need to either search your system every time the installer runs (years ago they did this .... everyone complained), or keep a file on your system to give the installer the proper options for your individual environment. I'm sure the installer performs some sort of quick validation of the options it gets from this "hidden" file everytime it runs. Both the activity of opening this hidden "configuration" file and the validation of the directories to use by the installer could easily be seen by AV software as being a potential system threat and trigger a false positive. I'm not worried about the installers being virus laden. But again, that is my opinion, and your milage may vary.

On a final note, the work that Skiriki has proposed would put all the speculation to rest - mine, as well as others.

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After looking this thread over, I think it has run its course.

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