SSS is absolutely amazing technology. It takes skin that looks normal and healthy and completely makes it look like the figure has aids. Sickly white, disease stricken, pale, unhealthy, sunlight depravation.

I've always wanted a technology that just "auto whites" a surface. Brilliant.

The "wax" look is incredible.

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Quote - Forums are amazing technology. They can take a seemingly normal and rational person and make them look like a troll. Short-sighted, misguided, creative effort deprived.

Incredible.

I couldn't agree more.

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Quote - Forums are amazing technology. They can take a seemingly normal and rational person and make them look like a troll. Short-sighted, misguided, creative effort deprived.

Incredible.

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Trolling?

Zanzo, if you really want some help (and first you could start off by being polite), you could try this:

If you're using EZSkin, on the second panel at the top, there is a color chip with H S and V beside it with numerical values. If you put 105 in the S value it will boost the color of the map slightly, enough that your figure may not look "like it has AIDS". On the first panel, you have control of the shininess of the skin. If you don't want it to look "waxy" reduce the specular. The forum is here to HELP you. Be nice and you'll get all the answers you have questions for.

One more thing: if you're using Poser Pro 2012 rather than Poser 9, you may be running into problems with gamma correction. There is a plethora of topics on the subject if you do a forum search. I am not gonna tell you how to get EZSkin or the answers to gamma correction. I'm going to make you work since you made me work to help you after your insults ;).

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Quote - Forums are amazing technology. They can take a seemingly normal and rational person and make them look like a troll. Short-sighted, misguided, creative effort deprived.

Incredible.

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Quote - Forums are amazing technology. They can take a seemingly normal and rational person and make them look like a troll. Short-sighted, misguided, creative effort deprived.

Incredible.

To paraphrase, "A good post is well worth repeating."

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

I have to be honest, I felt pretty much the same way about SSS that Zanzo does for a really long time. It seemed to blow out every texture it was applied to no matter how I adjusted it, and when it did work, it resulted in very realistic candle wax skin.

I can't give any advice about how to adjust it in Poser since I use Studio, but SSS will definitely take adjusting and experimentation to get it to look the way you want. I use a low value (20%) and darker colors to add just a little.

Zanzo sounded like he was being sarcastic...I really don't see this as trolling.

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Well, you must admit a post like that won't garner too much help when Zanzo could have just asked "How do I keep my textures from blowing out and looking like wax when I use SSS? There would have been folks lining up to help ;). Instead the answers he got were just as sarcastic as his post.

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Quote - Well, you must admit a post like that won't garner too much help when Zanzo could have just asked "How do I keep my textures from blowing out and looking like wax when I use SSS? There would have been folks lining up to help ;).

Laurie

True, I just understand what he's thinking because I've been there. ;)

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I'm with LaurieA... I think the problems as described sound more like Gamma issues than SSS. As the resident expert on how to misuse GC, I really recommend Snarley's Scene Fixer.

Hint: At the risk of undermining Laurie's intent to make the OP work a bit, he might check the signature line of Snarleygribbley's post above...

I'm still trying to get GC down right too basicwiz :P. Since I've never had pro before I never had to deal with it...lol. Scene Fixer was a godsend.

It would seem between Snarly's awesome scripts and Semideu (sp) I'm all set ;).

One more thing the OP could check to see is if his/her lights are just too bright or the render settings are wrong. The exponential and HSV exponential settings can really blow stuff out sometimes. And if you're using BBs Envirosphere you have to reduce your lights again. Lots of variables.

Laurie

It seems most people are assuming the problem is between the key board and the chair. It wasn't a question it was a statement. If the user doesn’t like the feature they are not forced to use it.

Perhaps the the OP just wanted to express his or her feelings for the fact that for example the vendors of this site's marketplace want to get an accelerated compensation for years of abstinence from subsuface scattering by making extensive use of it in their promo images and using it as much as technically possible, which under the right circumstances can result in a slightly waxy look which in turn reminds the uninitiated viewer subconsciously of the barbie dolls he or she played with in his or her unhappy childhood in the orphanage, stirring up some tearful memories. There is nothing you could do about it: either you like Barbie or you do not.

Quote - It seems most people are assuming the problem is between the key board and the chair.

Or, as we experts call it, the "External Mouse Driver". :)

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Quote - > Quote - Well, you must admit a post like that won't garner too much help when Zanzo could have just asked "How do I keep my textures from blowing out and looking like wax when I use SSS? There would have been folks lining up to help ;).

Laurie

True, I just understand what he's thinking because I've been there. ;)

Haven't we all ;)

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HAHAHA!

Quote - > Quote - It seems most people are assuming the problem is between the key board and the chair.

Or, as we experts call it, the "External Mouse Driver". :)

Judging from his other posts, he's probably just frustrated. Hope he works out his problems.

Quote - Sickly white, disease stricken, pale, unhealthy, sunlight depravation.

I've been struggling to get this very look in a render I'm working on at the moment... ;-)

It does sound like a good zombie type critter shader.

Quote - It does sound like a good zombie type critter shader.

Or other sundry creatures of the night ;).

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Quote - > Quote - Sickly white, disease stricken, pale, unhealthy, sunlight depravation.

I've been struggling to get this very look in a render I'm working on at the moment... ;-)

There are at least one or two freebie character mats which have that look. If I get time, I'll go through my characters and see if I can find something. I usually throw EZskin on them, so I can't remember which.

The OP may have put it badly (and a little sarcastically), but he does bring up something that has been my bug-a-boo for a while now. I have this airy-fairy idea to try to put a new character/texture package into the market place. After working with (and sometimes hating every merchant resource body maps I have for V4), I've finally come up with a set that I like. However, the sticking point here, is that the texture renders lighter and brighter in Poser than what I see of the base textures when working with them in Paintshop. My girl should be a medium pinkish tone but she renders lighter than I like. That and I'd like more control over the Blin node when working with EZSkin because I don't want my girl to look like she's been oiled.

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Hum. Well. What a post opener. I never had a problem with SSS. I just buy skins with SSS shaders made in...no problems cause I ain't getting into all that apply stuff and being advanced :) Works best with the IDL lighting IMO. I bought PRO2012 for a few reasons..to by some SSS shader skin characters I saw here, 64 bit support, and use the fancy lights. (Dang sparkly make up on those models!)

Sure all those selling points were great in the promo about tweak this and add that when they rolled the program out, and Pro2012 was a super upgrade to me from 7....but I haven't a clue how to use most of them; I barely knew how to work Poser 7 LOL. Maybe one day I'll try to learn how to do all the stuff myself, but if you want to use SSS and don't know how to do it yourself there are several very fine textures out there and a lot of them are even in the PRIME store...and they come with readme files that tell you how to set the stuff up for best results....sadly most of my works are not done with SSS as I found I prefer the less realistic look for my line of work/post work. I still like the SSS though :)

To me..(hazarding a wild guess as the poster just chose to come in like an ass instead of stating a problem and asking for advice) It sounds like a mix everything from lighting, gc, sss and old shader techniques. Skin too shiney could as easily be way too much light in the scene as it could be an SSS wacro dumped onto an obsolete shader tree. I could offer suggestions but why bother when the poster cant even be bothered to post any useful information about what they are trying to do.

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Quote - I'm with LaurieA... I think the problems as described sound more like Gamma issues than SSS. As the resident expert on how to misuse GC, I really recommend Snarley's Scene Fixer.

Hint: At the risk of undermining Laurie's intent to make the OP work a bit, he might check the signature line of Snarleygribbley's post above...

Quote - It does sound like a good zombie type critter shader.

I actually came up with a good zombie shader by accident.. just misattached a math node to the texturemap node and it greyscaled out.. looked pretty cool in BBs S+B SSS shader setup

It's good to see everyone here has a sense of humor! I love this forum :)

I should try to give SSS another chance.

I liked OP's post. I loled.

Quote - It's good to see everyone here has a sense of humor! I love this forum :)

I should try to give SSS another chance.

Just grab a copy of EZSkin, play with the settings or ask others what settings they like. For what it's worth, I always turn down the spec from the default and boost the saturation slightly (thanks JoePublic!). Most of the time, my skin turns out pretty decent ;).

Laurie

Unfortunately, he didn't say anything about his set up. Is he using an environment sphere, like BB's free sphere? Has he remembered to make sure that only the environment sphere is a light emitter (I say this, because this was my own stupid problem, I forgot to uncheck that little box for light emitter on my ID Cove backdrop). Has he got too many lights in his scene? I usually work with only two, a main light and a rim light.

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I find poser 9/ pp2012 lighting much easier than previous versions, but you definitely cannot just plug some of the new features into old scenes or older ways of doing things and get good results. IDL + GC + SSS can give amazing results, but you do have to set your scene up for it propperly. If you are doing things the same old way you wont get good results. The good news is that the new way is not that complex

Quote - I find poser 9/ pp2012 lighting much easier than previous versions, but you definitely cannot just plug some of the new features into old scenes or older ways of doing things and get good results. IDL + GC + SSS can give amazing results, but you do have to set your scene up for it propperly. If you are doing things the same old way you wont get good results. The good news is that the new way is not that complex

OMG.. IDL AND SSS together? That would take forever to render.

Do you guys have multiple PC's doing the render? I have a 8 core processor which still takes too long to render. I need to pump out commerical level renders in 8-10 minutes tops.

"I need to pump out commerical level renders in 8-10 minutes tops."

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Quote - I need to pump out commerical level renders in 8-10 minutes tops.

He he. Sounds like you probably need to invest in a commercial level set up then?

A fairly high-end one at that.

Otherwise it sounds like you're between a rock and a hard place. Get something that looks less good and get it faster. Or wait for what can be a much better result, if you can use it properly.

That said I've got a quad core imac with 16 GB ram and it will certainly enable Firefly to pump out a render of a straight forward scene, with just one or two figures and not too involved a backdrop or envsphere panorama, with IDL and SSS enabled and maybe 1 or 2 ray trace bounces, maybe between 3 and 7 IDL bounces, in around 10 minutes. That's running with between 6 and 8 threads set...

So if you're on 8 cores, it doesn't sound out of the question for simpler scenes, to achieve those render times... if you've also got enough memory?

...I guess it all depends on how complex the scene you're rendering is really.

My final quality render times are generally ridiculously long, solely, as I've realised, because my finished scenes end up being so crammed.

I don't know how Firefly benchmarks against the likes of V-Ray for speed?

But for the comparisons I can make, against Vue and Lux, it seems to perform pretty well.

I think of it as sending my drawn artwork off to another department / artist for colouring / inking... i.e. there's a real world lead-time to be accounted for in the creative process.

I just plan around having to wait for a render to complete... and with the background render option and / or Queue Manager, I can work on one scene while another is rendering.

Or, more often, I can go and do something else altogether...

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Quote - > Quote - I find poser 9/ pp2012 lighting much easier than previous versions, but you definitely cannot just plug some of the new features into old scenes or older ways of doing things and get good results. IDL + GC + SSS can give amazing results, but you do have to set your scene up for it propperly. If you are doing things the same old way you wont get good results. The good news is that the new way is not that complex

OMG.. IDL AND SSS together? That would take forever to render.

Do you guys have multiple PC's doing the render? I have a 8 core processor which still takes too long to render. I need to pump out commerical level renders in 8-10 minutes tops.

8-10 minutes may be asking too much. IDL+SSS taking forever? Not necessarily, if you know how. If you start asking specific questions, you will probably get better answers.

By the way in my last render there in my gallery, "The Inquisition", I've used EZSkin for the human figures.

I don't think they look too sickly or pale? (even though one of them is meant to probably be a bit on the unwell side. LOL)

Maybe these examples do look sickly or pale to some people... it's so subjective really I guess, this sort of thing!

One's idea of what constitutes good skin tone will possibly be based on socio-racial-geo-cultural background I guess??

Coming from Scotland myself, good skin tone to me is probably just anything that isn't too transparent... ;-)

I have found I need to turn a lot of the default EZSkin settings down... specularity and fresnel reflections I think primarily.

In that render I've also manually applied SSS to the skeleton (based on a mat room sample posted by Anthanasius), the brain, the tentacles (based on BB's "Creepy Skin" post) and the beatles.

There's a variety of different results that can be had from SSS I guess... so of course it will need some tweaking for different applications / circumstances I suppose...

Quote - OMG.. IDL AND SSS together? That would take forever to render.

Do you guys have multiple PC's doing the render? I have a 8 core processor which still takes too long to render. I need to pump out commerical level renders in 8-10 minutes tops.

Um, no it doesn't? IDL and SSS look great together? And I don't know of ANY render engine (unless it uses the gpu to render) that will do a commercial level render in 8-10 minutes. If that's why you got Poser then you may as well take it back. You're barking up the wrong tree. Make everthing in your scene and stick to Cycles in Blender. Even then, 8-10 minutes is shaving it really close - if you're rendering an orange and nothing else. rolls eyes

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Zondo, Zondo, Zonzo, in another post you stated you did not want to read a 800 page manual.

Well, I think it is time.

Click-drag-drop-render does not work in PP2012 that is far and beyond better then any Poser version before it. But due to all these changes. . . . . .

For PP2012?

1; Never ever use a texture that was not made or upgraded to PP2012 and all the new features.

Never ever use a light set that was not made or upgraded to PP2012 and all the new features.
Never ever use a material room node setup that was not made or upgraded to PP2012 and all the new features.

learn learn, learn, what changes need to be made to render with;
IDL
SSS
Gamma Correction

Then:

IDL + SSS

Then:

IDL + SSS + Gamma Correction

Only then you start to explore the fantastic PP2012 possibilities.

You use older textures, with older node setups, in older light sets, and expect it all to work like a Swiss clockwork? na-na-na-, NO GO in any app.

Maintain the textures in diffuse_color, delete ALL the rest. And I mean ALL the rest.
Start with deleting ALL lights. ALL of them.
Load ONE infinite true white light inside BB's sphere but read the instructions first. OK?

Start from there.
And build and learn all PP2012 new features one by one.

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Sorry sir, time to read the manual.

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It depends on learning the program and your render settings. This image only took 3 minutes and 55 seconds. The render settings were a little above a draft render for me. And the size of my render is what I use for testing, not for final output size. SSS + IDL, two lights with raytraced shadows and BB's environmental sphere with a HDR image on it.

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And here's the trick that I don't often see people tell newcomers to Poser 9/2012 to use when they are rendering. Everything loaded into your scene comes in with the Light Emitter box checked. This box should only be checked if you are using an environmental sphere like the free one from BB, or mesh objects that you are using as light sources. For all other objects in your scene (i. e. the figure, hair, props, ground, scenary), this box should be unchecked.

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Quote - I need to pump out commerical level renders in 8-10 minutes tops.

...if you find out how to manage that, share with the rest of the class! ;)

(Seriously, I don't get a normal shot out that fast with no bells or whistles.)

IDL+SSS has been the best option for me, at least. It takes longer, but not remarkably longer on average than any other promo renders I have to do. Maybe 25% longer... but my promo renders average an hour presently. That's still a marked improvement over previous versions, though!

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Maybe I'm wrong, but I dont think that is true..

My understanding is that the box is poorly named, and doing so removes the object from any IDL calculations. Having the box checked does not cause the object to emit light.

Quote - And here's the trick that I don't often see people tell newcomers to Poser 9/2012 to use when they are rendering. Everything loaded into your scene comes in with the Light Emitter box checked. This box should only be checked if you are using an environmental sphere like the free one from BB, or mesh objects that you are using as light sources. For all other objects in your scene (i. e. the figure, hair, props, ground, scenary), this box should be unchecked.

Quote - OMG.. IDL AND SSS together? That would take forever to render.

Do you guys have multiple PC's doing the render? I have a 8 core processor which still takes too long to render. I need to pump out commerical level renders in 8-10 minutes tops.

Yikes. Not even in Vray. haha. Well ok, maybe in Vray. But I've been playing around with SSS and IDL in 2012, and it's reasonably fast on my rig. Similar results to just about any other engine offering the same feature set. Granted, haven't gone too far into doing LARGE scenes with lots of props yet, etc. But one toe at a time.

Running the 64bit version of P2012 on a Core i7, under Win 7, with a Gforce GTX 2gb (card doesn't assist in final render). Firefly handled a very decent resolution on my last render in just under an hour. Results similar to what i grew used to in Vray. Resolution was far larger than I would ever need in animation, unless I was shooting for HD.

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Quote - Maybe I'm wrong, but I dont think that is true..

My understanding is that the box is poorly named, and doing so removes the object from any IDL calculations. Having the box checked does not cause the object to emit light.

I think you are correct, at least from what I have been doing so far with IDL. An object will only emit light using it's ambient color/value. Checking or unchecking this box only seemed to exclude or include it from the calculations.

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If you turn of the emit light (yes poorly named) then it cannot even bounce light.

It's very wrong to turn it off, except for small or dark things that don't contribute much to the room lighting (such as hair).

But - if you turn it off for room parts (walls, ceilings, floors!!) then you will totally lose the indoor lighting calculation, which doesn't even get close to correct until it bounces at least three times off those surfaces.

Skin to skin also - like in the armpit or under the chin. Those parts will get unnaturally dark and not as red as they should be if the skin can't bounce light.

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I have no problems with SSS and IDL. This rendered in under 10 minutes on my i5 Laptop. (Had to reduce pic quality by half to attach it to this post)

And yes, what Bagginsbill said: Keep "light emitter" checked for everything, including the skin.

Not sure what you're doing wrong.

I mean, running a texture through EZSkin , ticking IDL and adding a single infinite light to your scene can't be that complicated, can it ?

Quote - I have a 8 core processor which still takes too long to render. I need to pump out commerical level renders in 8-10 minutes tops.

^i nominate this for stupidest post of the year.

Quote - ^i nominate this for stupidest post of the year.

LMAO. Why would anyone bother with CPU rendering on a single machine if you need that much production? Sheeeeesh.

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Quote - "I need to pump out commerical level renders in 8-10 minutes tops."

You must compose scenes much faster than I; for me, rendering is the fastest part of the process... "smile"

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Quote - "I need to pump out commerical level renders in 8-10 minutes tops."

You must compose scenes much faster than I; for me, rendering is the fastest part of the process...

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Quote - > Quote - "I need to pump out commerical level renders in 8-10 minutes tops."

You must compose scenes much faster than I; for me, rendering is the fastest part of the process...

You know, WandW, I was thinking the same thing. It generally takes me several hours to get my character as I want it, THEN the real work begins of populating the world with settings and props, not to mention setting the lights. I guess you and I really do work slowly!

Is SSS only useful for renders that include organic items (like people) and not so much for other items (like buildings, vehicles and such)?

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Quote - > Quote - > Quote - "I need to pump out commerical level renders in 8-10 minutes tops."

You must compose scenes much faster than I; for me, rendering is the fastest part of the process...

You know, WandW, I was thinking the same thing. It generally takes me several hours to get my character as I want it, THEN the real work begins of populating the world with settings and props, not to mention setting the lights. I guess you and I really do work slowly!

On any given scene, I'm normally futzing with it from sunrise to sunset, tweaking, retweaking, never satisfied :). Putting it to together definitely takes the longest time ;).

Quote - Is SSS only useful for renders that include organic items (like people) and not so much for other items (like buildings, vehicles and such)?

Skin, milk, some water situations, some juices, some fruits and veggies... just about any object where the surface has some level of translucency, would also have some degree of scatter going on. Quite often it's not enough to require representation in a render, as homogeneous translucency and proper IOR in reflection/refraction params are enough to make a realistic representation that, in a render, would fool the human eye. I know some people in the 3dsmax world that use the MentalRay Fast SSS skin shader for everything except metals, because they like the way it blends multiple specular levels. Not sure if you could do the same thing with EZSkin (ie., run it on a surface, then just disable the SSS part of the nodes), and be left with the multiple specular effects. I know it uses some reflection as well as alt specular parameters to do the specularity FX, which is useful on far more surfaces than simply skin. I'll have to play with that and see for myself. I love how it works on skin, so why not cloth, leather, etc.

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I reckon representations of lots of materials would benefit from some degree of sub surface scatter?

As Maxxxmodelz says, it more down to what actually benefits from it, in terms of what is basically all about fooling the eye/brain into perceiving realism in a render...

;-)

Quote - Do you guys have multiple PC's doing the render? I have a 8 core processor which still takes too long to render. I need to pump out commerical level renders in 8-10 minutes tops.

If you want high speed renders, Firefly is not the best choice. Firefly will do amazing renders, but not at what I would consider high speed.

To do high speed rendering, you really need two things in a render engine.

GPU rendering, and farmable buckets to other machines. Plan on spending a small fortune on the engine licenses, cpu boxes, and network to do it as well. 15 to 20k a box. Fiber network, etc...

That will give you 6400 stream processors with ATI FirePros, or 1792 Cuda cores with Quadros, per box. A scene that takes 10+ min on a cpu would take no time at all on a gpu network like that, as in seconds....

Then there is the electric bill that goes along with running all of that....

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Some stones and gems look amazing with scatter. Jade looks fantastic

Quote - Is SSS only useful for renders that include organic items (like people) and not so much for other items (like buildings, vehicles and such)?

Or, the OP could just use the Pose2Lux script, export to Luxrender and render ;).

Laurie

Quote - Or, the OP could just use the Pose2Lux script, export to Luxrender and render ;).

Laurie

True. I love Lux. So much so that I invested in the Reality 2 exporter for DazStudio, and have Pose2Lux for Poser exporting. Great freebie, and I think as an exporter it gives a lot of creative freedom to set parameters for Lux the way I want them. Even moreso than Reality does.

However, that said, I'm having a blast working with the Firefly renderer in PP2012 right now. Trying to get similar results that I'm used to with Lux. Results aren't too bad, and not too far from what I can get through Lux actually. Although nowhere near as easily achieved.

Tools : 3dsmax 2015, Daz Studio 4.6, PoserPro 2012, Blender v2.74

System: Pentium QuadCore i7, under Win 8, GeForce GTX 780 / 2GB GPU.

I've never been able to get the results I get in Luxrender or Cycles in Poser ;). Sounds like we need a tute from someone with the know-how...hint hint....lol.

I guess my problem is that I sorta understand the materials and how to do emitters in Luxrender. I don't really understand them at all in Poser. Figure that one out...lol.

Laurie

Quote - I've never been able to get the results I get in Luxrender or Cycles in Poser ;). Sounds like we need a tute from someone with the know-how...hint hint....lol.

I guess my problem is that I sorta understand the materials and how to do emitters in Luxrender. I don't really understand them at all in Poser. Figure that one out...lol.

Laurie

Well, once I get testing and experimentation down to a science, and know that the settings and parameters I'm using for my own results are cross-compatable with people on systems that may not match the specs of mine currently (the machine I'm using is a monster, with a lot of processing power and memory), then I'll def make a few tutorials to help others get there. But right now, it seems like some people with older systems or not much horsepower are having trouble duplicating the results simply because the render hangs on things like hair, or the raytrace requirements. Even though they could probably get the same results using Lux to crunch at the scene like you said, Firefly seems to require a lot more mem or processing power to do the same kinds of things.

Tools : 3dsmax 2015, Daz Studio 4.6, PoserPro 2012, Blender v2.74

System: Pentium QuadCore i7, under Win 8, GeForce GTX 780 / 2GB GPU.

Quote - Or, the OP could just use the Pose2Lux script, export to Luxrender and render ;).

Laurie

I'm trying it right now, let's see what happens.

It's a little more involved than that. You should read the big thread about Luxrender. However, do not expect to get renders out of Lux in 8 to 10 minutes. Lux is an unbiased renderer (Poser's Firefly is a biased renderer), in other words, some images can take 48 hours or more for high quality renders. However, metal, glass and excetera will look more like real would items. It is a trade off. I don't like the long wait, so I returned to Poser. But do check it out.

"A lonely climber walks a tightrope to where dreams are born and never die!" - Billy Thorpe, song: Edge of Madness, album: East of Eden's Gate

Weapons of choice:

Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8

Quote - > Quote - Or, the OP could just use the Pose2Lux script, export to Luxrender and render ;).

Laurie

I'm trying it right now, let's see what happens.

Just a warning: if you don't use the Lux gpu rendering you're in for a much longer wait than a Poser render.

Yeah, that's true. I can't use the gpu version of Lux. Can't use it with my video card so when I've used Lux it was with the version that does cpu rendering.

"A lonely climber walks a tightrope to where dreams are born and never die!" - Billy Thorpe, song: Edge of Madness, album: East of Eden's Gate

Weapons of choice:

Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8

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