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Subject: Full Genesis - Poser compatibility may be coming
Well, experience teaches us all that DAZ talks a good game, but they very rarely deliver.
This is nothing more than another "DAZ soon" if you ask me.
Besides, there's so much more, better Poser stuff on the horizon, who cares what DAZ is now dreaming up?
After all, the last year has been nothing but DAZ telling Poser users to pound sand.
Quote - > Quote - Personally, I'm hoping SM's new figures offer a credible alternative.
Same here!
Depends on what you want your figures to do. Genesis' main strength seems to be it's ability to morph from one character to another, which, frankly, doesn't really appeal to me that much. All the other features seem to be tied more or less directly to the DS program itself which I can't use on my computer.
Quote - you Poser users will be in heaven
Hmmm..... lets see, what can that mean?
What would be Poser heaven.......?
I know!
AlfaSeed and Blackhearted are going to collaborate on a new project with male and female characters with a ton of new scifi and fantasy clothing? :woot:
Nope? Probably not heaven then! :lol:
Quote - > Quote - you Poser users will be in heaven
Hmmm..... lets see, what can that mean?
What would be Poser heaven.......?
I know!
AlfaSeed and Blackhearted are going to collaborate on a new project with male and female characters with a ton of new scifi and fantasy clothing? :woot:
Nope? Probably not heaven then! :lol:
ROFL, I know.......can you say over inflated ego????? Yeah, I knew you could.
Quote - > Quote - > Quote - Personally, I'm hoping SM's new figures offer a credible alternative.
Same here!
Depends on what you want your figures to do. Genesis' main strength seems to be it's ability to morph from one character to another, which, frankly, doesn't really appeal to me that much. All the other features seem to be tied more or less directly to the DS program itself which I can't use on my computer.
I'm pleased for those who have been hankering after Genesis support in Poser but the concept of Genesis doesn't appeal to me either. We already have some lovely alternative figures such as Michelle and Anastasia etc. and I'm looking forward to what SM has to offer in the future.
Quote - > Quote - you Poser users will be in heaven
Hmmm..... lets see, what can that mean?
What would be Poser heaven.......?
I know!
AlfaSeed and Blackhearted are going to collaborate on a new project with male and female characters with a ton of new scifi and fantasy clothing? :woot:
Nope? Probably not heaven then! :lol:
ROFL... now that would be game changing and be very close to heaven! LOL
I would like the grey blob.
I better save my low poly genesis people then as they will be useful in poser as well.
Love esther
I aim to update it about once a month. Oh, and it's free!
Quote - > Quote - > Quote - you Poser users will be in heaven
Hmmm..... lets see, what can that mean?
What would be Poser heaven.......?
I know!
AlfaSeed and Blackhearted are going to collaborate on a new project with male and female characters with a ton of new scifi and fantasy clothing? :woot:
Nope? Probably not heaven then! :lol:
ROFL... now that would be game changing and be very close to heaven! LOL
Too right! I think I actually drooled on my keyboard thinking about that idea....... :biggrin:
I've gotta tell ya....some of the images I've seen of Genesis are really, really nice, like Soto's images. If Genesis came to Poser, I'd definitely use it if it required NO - and I DO mean NO - hoop jumping to use. If it does, I won't be using it.
I feel that Daz had to come to this decision sooner or later. No matter what anyone says, I still think Poser users were the bulk of their business. That's not to say that anything is wrong with DS. It's just that, we being the hard-headed bunch we are, were not gonna just up and switch programs. At least not most of us ;).
Laurie
Quote - ...AlfaSeed and Blackhearted are going to collaborate on a new project with male and female characters with a ton of new scifi and fantasy clothing? :woot: Nope? Probably not heaven then! :lol:
Quote - ROFL... now that would be game changing and be very close to heaven! LOL
Aha. Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
My advice would be, don't hold your breath unless you look fantastic in blue. LOL.
Laurie
They still don't know what real shoulders and forearms look like, and that doesn't matter what program they're being used in.
I'd like to see a combination of muscle bone and skin actually interacting with one another. I think it's possible in poser, it would just require more complexity than most are willing to put into it.
~Shane
An interesting side-note. Only time will tell exactly what it means. Meanwhile I have actually learned that my runtime can survive without Daz. Still, if they offer a good product that will work intuitively in Poser, I might give it a try. But to be honest, the way that they have behaved towards Poser customers after the past year has made me less inclined to spend money with them.
"People who attempt define what art is or is not, are not artists"---Luminescence
Quote - > Quote - ...AlfaSeed and Blackhearted are going to collaborate on a new project with male and female characters with a ton of new scifi and fantasy clothing? :woot: Nope? Probably not heaven then! :lol:
Quote - ROFL... now that would be game changing and be very close to heaven! LOL
Aha. Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
My advice would be, don't hold your breath unless you look fantastic in blue. LOL.
Laurie
Yeah.... that's why I figured it would have to be Poser heaven. LOL!
So in the meantime..... where's my CrossDresser for Anastasia so I can make at least a little part of it come true!
Can DAZ survive without the Poser community?
I guess we now know the answer to this question.
I suspect this is yet another panic move by Daz. The issue now will be, is the Poser community willing to come back to Vicky now that alternatives are not only possible but viable.
Let me go turn on We Are The Champions........
Yes, I will go back to vickie if she works well in poser.
Love esther
I aim to update it about once a month. Oh, and it's free!
You'll have to excuse a copy and paste, I just saw this exact same thing posted over at RDNA and since my feelings are the same regardless of site, figured I would save a little typing.
I don't think the community benefits from detail-less speculation that only serves to fuel arguments and distracts from our ability to move on and move forward in the face of what reality currently is. I know that as a member of the content buying public I don't benefit from it. Its taken 14 months for vendors to begin to move on to providing quality content to those of us who just wanted a good alternative to meet our rendering needs. I would hate to see those efforts falter based on a a couple of lines of marketing text that do nothing to change the current situation.
I'll believe it when I see it.
WARK!
Thus Spoketh Winterclaw: a blog about a Winterclaw who speaks from time to time.
(using Poser Pro 2014 SR3, on 64 bit Win 7, poser units are inches.)
Poser Genesis? Does that mean there will be Poser auto-shit and Poser mesh smoothing? Download DAZ Studio sometime and see how everything slows to a crawl when you try to pose a character with mesh smoothing turned on. Genesis' shape versatility comes at a price and that price is the need for mesh smoothing.
Whatever you do, don't pay for Poser Genesis -- Wait for DAZ to give it away for free.
The Poser community has done enough to V4 to satisfy me that I don't really need a V5.
However, the complaints about the lack of male figures and content for male figures continue.
Genesis may not be perfect. I think if Shane has complaints about the Genesis anatomy, he's probably right. He seems to have a very good eye.
However, Genesis does go a long way to solving the content issue, and as I look at the Genesis releases over the last year, I see a lot of content for men. Not all perfect, by any means, but substantial in any case.
When Tyler comes out, I'll buy him. When Lucas is finished, I'll buy him.
But I won't hold my breath waiting for their wardrobes or skins or character morphs to appear.
From my viewpoint, if Genesis accomplishes anything, it is to persuade content makers to make more content that may, to some degree or another, appeal to the more "niche" markets.
So, if Daz makes Genesis easier to use in Poser, I will be all over it.
I'll still be truly interested in the men being made by our extremely talent modellers because very detailed attention to anatomy seems to be a skill few are willing to exercise. And a great many renders really require very, very good figures. I'd like to be able to do those renders without having to learn zbrush, etc (in order to sculpt the currently available ones into recognizably human shape).
But the thought of an easy Genesis to Poser conversion strikes me as a positive development, especially for those who like to render the less popular variety of figure, including men, teens, and children.
I don't think the goal of getting Genesis easily into Poser is at all at odds with the Poser community's efforts to create more and more excellent figures. I'm extremely pleased at the thought of both occurring right now, and I think it's a truly exciting time for Poser users.
PoserPro 2014, PS CS5.5 Ext, Nikon D300. Win 8, i7-4770 @ 3.4 GHz, AMD Radeon 8570, 12 GB RAM.
moriador, I agree exactly. I will also buy lucas and use the SM figures when they arrive too.
the more the better.
Love esther
I aim to update it about once a month. Oh, and it's free!
Yeah, the one thing I've seen that I've been liking from Genesis is the monster type figures. Very cool :). I'd buy it just for those alone. However, like I said before, it's gonna have to be a seamless operation for me or I'll never use it ;). Hopefully, Daz has finally re-remembered what a large body of buyers lies in the Poser community. But until I see anything at all, I'll remain entirely skeptical :).
Even if Genesis does come for Poser, I'll do what I've always done and also buy other figures I like that come along. Never saw a reason to pin yourself down to just one figure or one series of figures by the same vendor. That, to me, always seemed a bit limiting.
Laurie
Esther
Lo Res Genesis would likely be well suited for your cartoon series-but I suppose the not so well suiting with clothes could hamper that a bit!
I take your meaning, I think. You mean looks like a real person without sphagetti for arms, etc.?
Miss Vicky-WM has been a good friend-and quite welcome in my copy of Poser. :-) I may welcome Miki4-WM as well. The funky arms, shoulders in M4 have not been as bothersome since most of my M4 characters are dressed fully.
Fully functional for me-would entail a higher res figure-that I can morph in Zbrush with more detail than the low res Genesis. I have imported and played with Genesis in Poser btw. Me wants more polys me does! :-)
Meanwhile, I'll go back to pounding sand-which might be therapeutic I suppose! :-)
Quote - Yes, I will go back to vickie if she works well in poser.
Love esther
NO! Stop them! Where is our chief Posette advocate when we need him? Forced to toil endlessly, rendering Genesis without out end! Nooooooo......:-)
Quote - One thing is for certain: there is no stopping them:
Genesis will soon be here !
And I for one welcome our new unimesh overlords.
I’d like to remind them that as a trusted forum personality, I can be helpful in rounding up others to toil in their underground render caves.
:-)
Nakamuram, you said it! I agree.
I also appreciate the surge of creativity that came from content creators after the Poser community recovered from its Daz withdrawal shock. I love the diversity that is emerging and I hope we do not move back to a scenario where a single figure dominates the future for Poser users.
Poser 11 Pro, Windows 10
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Auto-shit = Auto-fit, which works like shit in DS4.5.
Don't get me wrong, I would love to get V5 to work in Poser with weight mapping. But bringing V5 in as Genesis, then having to fit clothes with smoothting, because the V5 and Genesis shapes are too far apart, IS NOT going to work.
I purchased DS4 when it first came out, then went to Poser Pro 2012 after DAZ started giving their product away.
My guess is that this is more or less what they are working on. A cr2 version of v5 and m5, with a reasonable mesh density for sculpting. Its what they should have offered all along for v5/m5/k5. Their own vendors would have got behind it and so would a lot from other stores and they could have saved themselves hemoraging customers all ths time
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Fully functional for me-would entail a higher res figure-that I can morph in Zbrush with more detail than the low res Genesis. I have imported and played with Genesis in Poser btw. Me wants more polys me does! :-)
The official "announcement" didn't say anything about full compatibility. Daz is merely going in a “direction”, a quest, as it were, to find the lost Poser customers. Remember; it's not the destination that matters, it's the journey.
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Quote - The official "announcement" didn't say anything about full compatibility. Daz is merely going in a “direction”, a quest, as it were, to find the lost Poser customers. Remember; it's not the destination that matters, it's the journey.
And DAZ just keeps leading us on...
What makes DAZ think they can get Genesis to work in Poser, when it barely works in DAZ Studio?
There will never be full compatibility. At least not the easy way. You will get it to work, but by compatibility do not expect a one click hooray it works like in DazStudio solution. Remember, Daz4 was designed around Genesis, Poser wasn't. You are going to need bundles of scripts and assist apps to get the same funcionality. In order for full compatibility you are going to need poser versions of Studio's features, might as well just use Studio then. Genesis is NOT just a figure. It is a system, and Studio is part of that system in order to get its features working. So unless Poser adapts those features from Daz, it will never have full compatability. With no mesh smoothing and CC-sub-D you are in for trouble. Genesis relies on those features to get clothing to fit and mould on the figure. Poser will also need a collisions detection system (the way it works with Genesis in Daz4). So if these features ain't in SR3 then there is your answer. Not anytime soon I say. Please note by full functionality I'm also speaking about Ease of use. To use 3 scripts compared to 1 click in daz is not full functionality. It is a work around.
Oh, come on, let's get real here. DAZ could make a V5 and M5 for Poser.
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Purchase a commercial/multi-workstation licensed version of Poser Pro 2012 (to me it seems that DAZ has not actually owned in house a version of Poser since Poser 6)
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Import the V5 or M5 morphed Genesis obj into Poser Pro 2012 and rig it with the weight mapping system and create Cr2.
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Add shaping morphs to both figures (likely to be bought as add-ons as they did for V4/M4
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Create a terribly simple SSS Poser shader for the base map probably using the wacro in the material room.
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Package for sale.
They could have done this months ago instead of trying so hard to get Poser users to switch over to DAZStudio just for the Genesis figure (no matter how versitile). If they do it, I'm not sure I'd even be interested unless the base figure (without morph packs) was free like they did when promoting V4/M4.
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Weapons of choice:
Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8
Quote - > Quote - The official "announcement" didn't say anything about full compatibility. Daz is merely going in a “direction”, a quest, as it were, to find the lost Poser customers. Remember; it's not the destination that matters, it's the journey.
And DAZ just keeps leading us on...
What makes DAZ think they can get Genesis to work in Poser, when it barely works in DAZ Studio?
? The figure works perfectly fine for me. Do not confuse the figure to one of its assist apps like auto-fit.
Quote - Oh, come on, let's get real here. DAZ could make a V5 and M5 for Poser.
Purchase a commercial/multi-workstation licensed version of Poser Pro 2012 (to me it seems that DAZ has not actually owned in house a version of Poser since Poser 6)
Import the V5 or M5 morphed Genesis obj into Poser Pro 2012 and rig it with the weight mapping system and create Cr2.
Add shaping morphs to both figures (likely to be bought as add-ons as they did for V4/M4
Create a terribly simple SSS Poser shader for the base map probably using the wacro in the material room.
Package for sale.
They could have done this months ago instead of trying so hard to get Poser users to switch over to DAZStudio just for the Genesis figure (no matter how versitile). If they do it, I'm not sure I'd even be interested unless the base figure (without morph packs) was free like they did when promoting V4/M4.
Stand alone figures is a dying market practice. Morphs for a single unimesh is a smarter move.
Hmmm. I think the stuff DAZ has done with Carrara is pretty nice. Probably mentioning that in the wrong place, though. Went over to the Carrara forum and it's a ghost town.
Still using standard V4 with the various morph packs and just purchased Aiko 3 complete, which I like better than the V4 version. I don't understand why more people don't use Carrara, it has had all the bells and whistles that are just now appearing in poser. Plus poser content is so easily integrated. Perhaps another evil plot by DAZ, but whatever. I'll still remain a loyal poser user... nice to have a more fully featured alternative, though.
Genesis? Couldn't really care... current DAZ studio doesn't run on my Mac, although Carrara 8 pro DOES which is weird. Was a little miffed when I heard V5 was only for DAZ but I've never actually utilized the genesis figure so listening to the opinions on this thread is kinda giving me a heads up. Frankly, if I need a monster I'll just sculpt one in Zbrush.
I'm rather happy with the figures that have and are coming out for Poser, so I'm not really feeling a gap by not having Genesis. Even so, I'm curious to see what direction they are going on and what they have planned. Do I think it's the second coming of whatever? Nah. But if people are enjoying it, good for them! :)
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nakamuram wrote;
Quote - Auto-shit = Auto-fit, which works like shit in DS4.5.
Actually it works great in 4.5, and with the new Push Modifier you can even layer clothing without pokethrough.
nakamuram wrote;
Quote - What makes DAZ think they can get Genesis to work in Poser, when it barely works in DAZ Studio?
It works fine for me and thousands of others, what problems were you having?
Coldrake
Let me be as generic as possible to avoid overt political overtones. When you have a candidate, who by all conventional metrics should be down for the count and - that candidate still has a good chance of winning - what does that say about the competition?
The fact that DAZ has had the opportunity to try to salvage their mislaid plans speaks volumes. All the Great White Hope Vicky Killers have (IMO) come to what should have been expected - initial bursts of enthusiasm followed by lethargy. Yes, they're coming,more in the pipeline, great things to come, more matginally supported wunderkind. Genesis will only Balkanize the market more - one more choice. The only difference is that DAZ has a better record of supporting their figures with content. Now the new SM figures may turn the tables - history suggests not, but anything can happen. I think it is more likely that the days of one dominant figure are over - at least for the forseeable future. Pick one or two and spend all your money on them and hope that the rest of the market validates your choices. On the plus side, there will be more variety. On the minus side, there will be more variety. To me, the ultimate question is can Genesis deliver enough variety along with clothing fitting equal or better than the converters and testure sharing? The alternative is a multitude of less well supported figures along with converter plugins and hope for a remap to take existing textures or enough native textures. Open your wallets, cast your votes.
Oh and Free the Pussy Riot Three!
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"sunfirexed - 20 August 2012 11:53 AM
Since Daz has moved all hysterically to Genesis I’m afraid the site have nothing to offer for me. So I will not renew my membership like many others. I have been a member for many years and really love V3-V4 and poser stuff, the platinum club stuff has decreased dramatically and not releasing props like they used to do.And I’m not a DS person. This is so sad, cause I enjoy this store. Good luck!
Victor
I think if you will stick with us over the next couple of months, you will be very pleasantly surprised with the direction we are going with Genesis. I can’t give any details, but you Poser users will be in heaven. Stay tuned to the DAZ 3D Channel."
-Daz Burner (forum admin)
Nothing concrete, except maybe a hint of a fully functional Genesis figure for use in Poser within the next few months. Considering the MANY disgruntled Poser users who have left the platinum/daz club since Genesis was released, it wouldn't be surprising. Personally, I'm hoping SM's new figures offer a credible alternative.