Heya folks,

Just stumbled upon this hardcover book (for an RPG).  Here is the link to the original art from my gallery.

While I've caught many people trying to pass my art off as their own, 'tubing' it, doing paintovers, etc this is the first time (that I'm aware) that someone has actually printed it on a book and is using it commercially without my permission  (my morphs/textures/meshes are another story).

TBH I'm not really sure what realistic recourse I have. 'Hire a lawyer' is going to be the obvious suggestion but I am a very busy individual, I'm leaving for Europe in two months, and I dont have the time, money, or energy for this sh*t right now.

However this type of thing pisses me off beyond words so I'm not just going to let it slide.

If you want to use my work for something, want one of my products and just cant afford it (psst: spending hundreds of dollars at Daz and then whining to me that you cant afford GND doesnt count), then FFS just ask me instead of stealing it.

If you inform the publisher that their "artist" has endangered the company with his or her complete lack of talent and honesty, maybe they'll replace the cover art. Failing that, drop the nukes.

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Well, the first thing to do is find the organization which stands to gain financially from the sale, and politely but firmly, issue a cease and desist.  Put them on notice that they are gaining financially from a copyright violation, and that you intend to take whatever measures are necessary to stop the infringemnet.

A lawyer can't do much more than that at this point anyway, and you can write a much less expensive notification yourself.

Before any legal action can be taken, you have to issue a notice of infringement.

Attorneys will tell you that your copyright, trademark, etc. are only as strong as you ability to protect it.

 

Get a lawyer to write the first letter.  Most lawyers will write a form letter on their own letterhead for a reasonable price, and the letterhead makes a big difference in responsiveness.

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Yeah, I'd send the publisher a letter.

Laurie

Quote - Get a lawyer to write the first letter.  Most lawyers will write a form letter on their own letterhead for a reasonable price, and the letterhead makes a big difference in responsiveness.

 

a reasonable price being ~$200?

this is why i was asking about realistic recourse.  getting screwed, and then paying more money out of pocket that ill never recover doesnt exactly appeal to me.

you know, come to think of it, theres probably a pretty decent market at Rosity for a bored, retired lawyer to make some decent coin sending cease and desist, copyright infringement and other notices.  hell you can even 'upload' the options, or block time, as products and make a 70% software cut if you wanted to go through the marketplace instead of peddling through paypal.

I'd try the publisher first. On your own. Explain the copyright infringement and offer them to view proof. At least they'll know it's been stolen. Maybe they don't even know it's someone elses work if the "artist" gave it to them in good faith. But they'll be the ones to get sued, believe me. LOL. And if you think they are making real money, I WOULD sue.

Laurie

First step-- contact the publisher and inform it that the cover art was stolen from you.  Unless the publisher is real scum, that should be sufficient.

 

To take any kind of actual legal action-- like filing a lawsuit-- you need to have a registered copyright of your work.  So if you don't already have the copyright registered, do it... just in case.

 

 

Pathfinder is a pretty good publisher for FRPG (fantasy role playing game) materials.  One of the things I've noticed over the past couple of years is that they option other writers and creators materials that are adapted to their specific system.  If they outsourced the cover art they may be just as aghast as you are when they are informed of the primary copyright infringement.  Who knows?  You might get a couple of cases of their materials as an apology.  That's what I got from TSR decades ago.

Gabriel,

You can also issue a DMCA takedown notice to the web store where it is hosted...

Good luck!

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I agrre that an atty may not be able to do much more initially but ... An atty, preferably an IP atty can explain all of your options, chances of success and how much it will cost in time and money. If you're serious, those are seriously worthwhile. Also, if you don't know what you're doing, you could conceivably damage your own case with amateur complaints/demands. INAL but this seems a bit different to me than just getting a website to take down something. These people have pretty clearly already started making money off your work in a tangible product. I wouldn't usually advocate enriching a lawyer but in this case, I think that would be the wisest course - probably wiser than seeking advice here - with no disrespect to anyone.

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I do sympathize and agree with WandW about the DMCA take down if possible. Generally most sites will comply within a timely manner if notified.

If you contact the publisher with proof it's possible they will remove the product from the market place. That said, have you always used only your products to promote your work? No hair or clothing from another vendor, or pose? No background or python script to create the scene, or 3rd party CGI program to render? I'm not siding on the person who did this, obvious plagiarism. There's no defense for blatently using someone else's work without permission or license.

On a side note, there are several interesting TED talks about copyright math.

http://blog.ted.com/2012/03/20/the-numbers-behind-the-copyright-math/

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On another side note Larry Lessig talks about the current laws and remixing.

http://www.ted.com/talks/larry_lessig_says_the_law_is_strangling_creativity.html

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Quote - On another side note Larry Lessig talks about the current laws and remixing. http://www.ted.com/talks/larry_lessig_says_the_law_is_strangling_creativity.html

unfortunately im on limited 3G broadband and dont have the luxury of watching 20 minute videos -- but current laws 'choke creativity'?!

Larry Lessig can choke on my ****

just send the publisher a bill to pay for the artwork ..

payment 8 days ..

Then wait for them to contact you ... 

You have nothing to do with the artist they hired ..they used you work so sent them a bill..

and Next time WATERMARK your work ..saves a lot of sh!t...

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Quote - and Next time WATERMARK your work ..saves a lot of sh!t...

that work was watermarked -- unless by watermark you mean check the DA option that places a massive, opaque DA logo smack in the center of your image.

in that case i wouldnt even bother uploading any work at all.

Bill the publisher and add a cease and desist order, plus damages for those that have already been sold.

All the best.

LROG

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Quote - On another side note Larry Lessig talks about the current laws and remixing.

http://www.ted.com/talks/larry_lessig_says_the_law_is_strangling_creativity.html

No where in that video did the guy say that mixing other's material was LEGAL, only that he thought it should be, the idiot.

The most profound reason that it's illegal is so that the creator can have control over where and in what context his artwork is shown, and that he be compensated for it. How hard is it to contact someone and ASK them if it's ok to use their work?

Laurie

Make sure you hit the right target. The RPG is "Pathfinder" compatible. Not from the publisher of "Pathfinder".

My suggestion would be to post a thread about this on rpg.net the members over there hate it when things like this go on and the negative publicity it will garner for the publisher will tarnish their reputation for a long time to come.

 

Also you will almost certainly get help in contacting the publisher if you ask, it is a good community that has taken issue with things like this in the past.

Quote - > Quote - On another side note Larry Lessig talks about the current laws and remixing. http://www.ted.com/talks/larry_lessig_says_the_law_is_strangling_creativity.html

unfortunately im on limited 3G broadband and dont have the luxury of watching 20 minute videos -- but current laws 'choke creativity'?!

Larry Lessig can choke on my ****

Nothing like judging a viewpoint without seeing the video.  Easy to give a flippant answer. Transcript version though the script is not the same without the video.

http://dotsub.com/view/d3509948-261f-4fbb-9b7c-c63110f13451/viewTranscript/eng

The point he's making is how many artists re-use other artists work (especially in music, this is very common). Many songs sample usually without permission of the original artists. The video explains this in a rather humorous way. Technologically speaking the current Apple vs. Samsung patent lawsuit is an example of how consumers lose. Even the judge stated consumers lose (though she sided with Apple in the end). Samsung wasn't allowed to show how Apple "borrowed" ideas from other creators (one example was the tablets being used in Star Trek).

Angry outbursts tend to cause people to lose sympathy by the way. Being that your customers read this I'd keep the tone civil even though I think you should keep your anger directed at the original violator in you mentioned in the top of the thread.

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Quote - > Quote - On another side note Larry Lessig talks about the current laws and remixing.

http://www.ted.com/talks/larry_lessig_says_the_law_is_strangling_creativity.html

No where in that video did the guy say that mixing other's material was LEGAL, only that he thought it should be, the idiot.

The most profound reason that it's illegal is so that the creator can have control over where and in what context his artwork is shown, and that he be compensated for it. How hard is it to contact someone and ASK them if it's ok to use their work?

Laurie

Once again, I point to the music industry as a prime example. Film as well. He's not arguing that copyright should be ended. He's arguing the law must be changed. A prime example is copyright problems are when it's used to incorrectly to halt parody or satire. The current law in the US and fair use.

http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html

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Quote - Angry outbursts tend to cause people to lose sympathy by the way. Being that your customers read this I'd keep the tone civil even though I think you should keep your anger directed at the original violator in you mentioned in the top of the thread.

who's angry?

lighten up man, it was an offhand remark directed at a liberal political activist and his "market-based" approach to intellectual property regulation.

also note that i didnt say dick, or cock, or balls -- i censored it out with ****, keeping it all super civil :)

as for my customers reading this:  many of them have been customers from way back --  im like a teletubby now compared to how i was a decade ago :)

cheers,
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Quote - ...--  im like a teletubby now compared to how i was a decade ago :)

Hahaha...no doubt ;). (but not LaaLaa) :P

Laurie

This reminds me of the story of a (very well known, by I forgot his name, sorry) artist who just send a reminder to the publisher that he still had not seen any payments for the copyrights etc, so perhaps they could give it a look in their administration. And by the way, you have some extra's to offer as well.

 

This positive, non-escaling but firm approach landed the guy a life-long relationship with that publisher. Publishers don't want to escalate, they don't want law-suits for a book-cover, they want good book covers without trouble. You can give them that.

My message: artists should not invest in negative energy. Go for the positive twist.

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^the problem is that this is not a major publisher.

its a small company where it seems like there is one guy running it, writing the books, publishing them. seems he hired out the art side of things to an 'art director' who took it upon himself to steal peoples work.

but thank you for the tip - and yes that does indeed sound like a good approach.  i neither have the time, nor want to do book covers though -- but ill try and apply that approach in any future such dealings when i can.

the problem is that in most cases where you notify individuals/small-fry companies of copyright infringement of this (or any) nature, overwhelmingly you get denial, attitude, nastiness, threats, accusations (you stole the work from me) or outright ignored. 

people make mistakes and sh*t happens, so if someone just apologized and tried to make it right by removing the work, crediting and/or offering compensation i would be much more favorably disposed towards them.  antagonize me enough when you get caught stealing my work and i will go well out of my way, even pay out of pocket, just to punish you.

I've flagged 4 posts for language, guys, don't forget the flag.  Even when quoting or censoring language.  Gotta flag it.  

Thanks.  

Also, Blackhearted keep us informed of how it turns out.  I'm curious how the publisher will deal with it, if he paid the "artist", etc.  

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I would start with a DMCA notice to the publisher of the book.  A cover letter can be included , be polite, no threats, but you may choose to offer them the picture at normal commercial rates.

 

You need adequate evidence that the pic is yours , so a website that shows when the pic was uploaded would do.

 

Realize that anything said to anyone may be used if the matter goes to court. Also realize that an unregistered copyright is not eligable for punative damages, only real damages which could be hard to show if you dont have previous sold work.

 

At least get your name on the credits for the cover if they continue with that image.

 

some lawyers will do a letter for about $50.  A letter from Aron, Benson and Swartz, Attorneys at Law may get quicker results than a letter from Billy Bob of Podunk, Arkansas.

 

• no offense to any Billy Bobs or residents of Podumk or Arkansas.

Polite contact is always your best first move!

Contact the publisher explaining that you are the owner of the work which has been used without your permission. Explain that they will either need to pay you compensation for the use of your work, or remove it and destroy all copies. Keep it professional and remember to stay professional whatever their response.

They may be a small publisher, but as a publisher they should be well aware of intellectual property rights. It's quite possible that they may not be directly responsible if they've been supplied with the image by someone else (and may be fairly horrified to discover this!), but in that case you'll still be dealing with them and it's up to them to sort it out themselves.

 

Something else to consider, since your original image turned up 4 hits using Tineye, they could dig their heels in and require detailed proof.  (photoshop layers, pz3 screenshot, etc)

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Quote - Pathfinder is a pretty good publisher for FRPG (fantasy role playing game) materials.  One of the things I've noticed over the past couple of years is that they option other writers and creators materials that are adapted to their specific system.  If they outsourced the cover art they may be just as aghast as you are when they are informed of the primary copyright infringement.  Who knows?  You might get a couple of cases of their materials as an apology.  That's what I got from TSR decades ago.

It's actually published by Cubicle 7, which makes Pathfinder compatible products.

its been removed, and the writer/publisher has sent a notice to the stores where it is hosted to remove the image from there as well.

during the email correspondence theyve admitted to it being an infringement, money has changed hands, I have irrefutable proof that I created the image, and it was harvested from a site that has the copyright (2005) clearly posted -- so I'm not really worried about my legal standing.

seems he had an 'Art Director' working on the graphic side of things and he just took it upon himself to harvest work from DA and other sources. 

I'm not super pleased with how it was handled but its been taken down and I dont really have time to mess with the issue further - I have several projects I need to finish, this has already wasted half my day :(

thanks for the help folks, appreciate it!

I'm glad things were sorted out, now bck into the dungeon to do you other work!!! LOL.

All the best.

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I'm glad to hear it was taken down but its too bad the art director got paid.  Sadly, this happens a lot.  I once got into a discussion with someone who worked for an ad agency and his attitude was to continue stealing until they were caught and then deal with it.  

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There are so many talented people out there, why don't they just commision work from them.

But then again, if they can get away with it, they will.

All the best.

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Quote - This reminds me of the story of a (very well known, by I forgot his name, sorry) artist who just send a reminder to the publisher that he still had not seen any payments for the copyrights etc, so perhaps they could give it a look in their administration. And by the way, you have some extra's to offer as well.

 

This positive, non-escaling but firm approach landed the guy a life-long relationship with that publisher. Publishers don't want to escalate, they don't want law-suits for a book-cover, they want good book covers without trouble. You can give them that.

My message: artists should not invest in negative energy. Go for the positive twist.

All the best

The story of Ray Bradbury and EC Comics springs to mind.

From wikipedia:

Adaptations of Ray Bradbury science-fiction stories, which appeared in two dozen EC comics starting in 1952. It began inauspiciously, with an incident in which Feldstein and Gaines plagiarized two of Bradbury's stories and combined them into a single tale. Learning of the story, Bradbury sent a note praising them, while remarking that he had "inadvertently" not yet received his payment for their use. EC sent a check and negotiated a productive series of Bradbury adaptations.[9]

Friendly but firm and professional is probably the best way to approach it...

...my tuppence worth.

Good to hear it was resolved successfully and quickly!

Can only hope it might make them look a bit more carefully at the source of the artwork they're using in future.

 

In college Illustration class, my teacher, who was a pro illustrator told us he found one of his images in an art gallery book. He contacted the publisher himself. They apologized, don't recall if he said they paid him for the work or not.

Perhaps, in the future, this publisher will know who to contact when they need another cover artist ^ ^

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Gabe - a fellow Dalek builder who goes by the name of Librarian-bot had his artwork used without permission a few months ago.  

He also posts on Deviant Art, so you could always try to hook up with him on there and ask what he did.  Other than that, you could always join Project Dalek to ask him. :)

 

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Quote - Make sure you hit the right target. The RPG is "Pathfinder" compatible. Not from the publisher of "Pathfinder".

Right.  The publisher for the Pathfinder game is Paizo Publishing I believe.  Thanks for catching that mistake.

Quote - Nothing like judging a viewpoint without seeing the video.  Easy to give a flippant answer. Transcript version though the script is not the same without the video.

http://dotsub.com/view/d3509948-261f-4fbb-9b7c-c63110f13451/viewTranscript/eng

The point he's making is how many artists re-use other artists work (especially in music, this is very common). Many songs sample usually without permission of the original artists. The video explains this in a rather humorous way. Technologically speaking the current Apple vs. Samsung patent lawsuit is an example of how consumers lose. Even the judge stated consumers lose (though she sided with Apple in the end). Samsung wasn't allowed to show how Apple "borrowed" ideas from other creators (one example was the tablets being used in Star Trek).

I'm part way throuigh reading it, but I wanted to note that he cites United States v. Thomas Lee and Tinie Causby, but fails to note that in spite of the Common Law basis of their claim having "no place in the modern world", the Supreme Court still found in their favour...

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I sent the Publisher a note (I am one of their customers - I got a response:

 

Hi Harry

 

Thanks for bringing this to my attention, we're already looking into the issue and the cover art has been discarded. The book is one developed by one of our publishing partners rather than by our own team, so this issue slipped in without me noticing. It looks like the fault is with the cover artist for the Apocalypse book, and neither us or our partner company will use this artist again. Fortunately the book hasn't been printed yet, so it's an easy one for us to put right.

 

Thanks

Dom

I just recently had a local business take one of my photos and use it on his business Facebook page, with no attribution, no credit, no payment. It got shared so extensively after that, that he decided to use it as the cover art.

Let me tell you, Facebook does not mess around with this stuff. I filled out their form, and within 8 hours, the image was removed.

In a way, that's also kind of scary. It's not as though they did any investigation to determine whether my claim was legitimate. If I'd claimed copyright on his entire page, they'd have taken down the whole page while he filed a counterclaim, with what looks like the burden of proof being on the accused to prove his innocence.

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It's a problem, however, with DeviantArt -- it and FlickR are like the "go-to" places for art and photo thieves. And big ugly watermarks are the only way to prevent this kind of thing.

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Whoever said that sending letters, other than, say, a standard DMCA takedown, can potentially damage your case is absolutely right. I've read of cases where someone threatened to sue over infringment and was then subject to an accusation of extortion. If they hire a lawyer and you don't, you may be in trouble. Best to be very careful in what you say.

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Statutory damages for copyright infringement in the US range from $750 to $30,000, and for willful infringement, may go as high as $150,000.

I'm not totally familiar with US law, but if it's anything like Canadian law (as I understand it), asking for payment of a particular amount for your work may limit how much you can sue for, should you find that you need to later on.

If you do that, I almost think you could risk inviting the other part to say, "Okay, sue me then" because they know they'd at worst have to pay what you asked plus court/legal fees. And for that, you're unlikely to find anyone to represent you.

Here, you can make it clear you are making offers "Without Prejudice" by printing those two words at the top of any letters that contain some kind of discussion of settlement/payment. It means the contents of the letter are privileged and cannot be used as evidence in court. I believe it is the same in US courts. In this case, it would mean that asking the other party to pay you, say, $200 for use of your image, would not be used as evidence to prove that your image was valued at, at most, $200.

Disclaimer: I make liberal use of "I think" and "I believe" because I'm not a lawyer and certainly not an expert in US law, so I am just offering my personal interpretion of documents (statutes and judgments) publicly available, and not offering legal advice. :)

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Sadly, nobody thinks my work is good enough to steal.

On the bright side (if there is one), is the fact that your work is considered of such a high quality to be sold conercially, must be a big feather in ones cap.

No, I'm not attempting to make light of such a serious issue, I'm just looking at it from a different perspective.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Theft is just annoying. I’m sure Blackhearted already know his stuff rules doesn’t need thieves to prove it.

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This happened to me years ago, after someone "liberated" some below-par test prints of the band New Order from the waste bin of the darkroom I was using.  A few years later two of turned up in a record collector magazine, to illustrate a full-page article on the band.  I went to see a solicitor (what we call lawyers here in Olde Englande) who pointed out that in respect of the magazine publishing the article, the most I could hope for was to be paid the commercial rate for the two photos, whish was about £65 if I remember correctly.  I contacted them, provided them with copies of the negatives as proof of ownership, and they duly coughed up the £65.  I never went as far as tracking down who had supplied them and ultimately who it was who had misappropriated* them in the first place, If I'd had the time I would have.

*In English and Welsh criminal law, the owner of the discarded prints was and is still me.

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Quote - its been removed, and the writer/publisher has sent a notice to the stores where it is hosted to remove the image from there as well. during the email correspondence theyve admitted to it being an infringement, money has changed hands, I have irrefutable proof that I created the image, and it was harvested from a site that has the copyright (2005) clearly posted -- so I'm not really worried about my legal standing.

seems he had an 'Art Director' working on the graphic side of things and he just took it upon himself to harvest work from DA and other sources. 

I'm not super pleased with how it was handled but its been taken down and I dont really have time to mess with the issue further - I have several projects I need to finish, this has already wasted half my day :(

thanks for the help folks, appreciate it!

Just heard about this issue, and I'm glad it got handled somehow.

And I thought, after looking at the cover: Whose background painting did this person steal?

And...yeah. This is why I don't post much of anything on DeviantArt.

Quote - And...yeah. This is why I don't post much of anything on DeviantArt.

despite its evils DA is still a worthy place to post because of the sheer traffic alone.

i have a GND2 image up there that has ~2000 comments and ~20,000 favorites.

the color version of that image here has 68 comments and 57 favorites.

that said, i much prefer the tighter-knit community here at Rendo. more mature and much friendlier people and far fewer career trolls, d-bags and s-disturbers :)

sure there are many of us that dont see eye to eye on everything, but for the most part Rosity does a really good job of discouraging and purging trolls.

clipped redundant advice

Theres also a slim chance the person who used the image paid some other unscrupulous person for it on good faith, or were given it by a friend not knowing where it came from

I slapped your URL into tineye - the image search site and found 3 dead links to the exact image, so its been around a bit

Lyrra

Yeah, once one of your images makes it onto TwitPic (which I think may be even more damaging than Facebook when it comes to image theft) -- people seem to think it's basically public domain.

The same would go for being very very popular on a big site like DeviantArt.

One member posted in the forums that her art was being featured on a subscription tattoo site. She would have loved to serve them with DMCA notices, but she only saw the advertising thumbnails. In order to verify that they were really using her art (and to find all of her art that they were using), she would have had to pay for a subscription to get access to the images. What a freakin' scam!

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Quote - clipped redundant advice

Theres also a slim chance the person who used the image paid some other unscrupulous person for it on good faith, or were given it by a friend not knowing where it came from

I slapped your URL into tineye - the image search site and found 3 dead links to the exact image, so its been around a bit

Lyrra

according to the author there were other infringements as well.

regardless, if youre going to call yourself an art director and supply the graphics for a project you had damned well better make sure you can account for where everything comes from.

that tineye site is depressing. i put some of my more popular images in it and some have multiple pages of results. i dont mind people reposting with my sig/a credit but when they edit out my sig it really irks me.  i dont lose sleep over it though since its the nature of the internet - always was, always will be.

the alternative is watermarking, i know. but honestly youre just going to piss people off even more when you use HUGE over the top watermarks. when i open something like this and the subject is completely obscured by a ridiculous watermark i just grumble and close the damned thing.  there is no way i would favorite that, and i am way less inclined to comment since i consider it a pretty arrogant practice.

I don't see the point of sharing images with big ugly watermarks. But I don't see it as arrogant. Well, if the image is something that no one in their right mind would steal or that obviously took very little effort (eg a canned pose render of a default nude Vicki in P4 with no shadows) -- then it's arrogant or actually kinda comical.

But if you've had your stuff taken, I don't see it as arrogant to assume that it could happen again.

After I got my image used, I watermarked every single image on my site via a php script. The watermark is darned ugly and I hate it. But I did it because it's a quick fix for now while I decide whether or not just to pull the site entirely.

The other option is to upload only small resolution images (600px or so length max) embedded in Flash (which I despise) in order to make it as annoying as possible to copy the images.

Of course, I'm not sure what the purpose of sharing pictures on the internet is any more. If I want to show my friends, family, or potential employers I could give them the password to a protected server, I guess, or better yet, hang prints on my wall and invite them over.

These days, I am tending toward the very last option.

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i see putting a huge watermark in the middle of your image as about the equivalent of a chef pissing in a bowl of his soup so noone can steal his recipe.  as a result noone can enjoy the soup, so whats the point of sharing it to begin with?

something with a huge ghastly watermark just looks repulsive to me. i simply cannot get over the fact that there is a big watermark obscuring the image - its like a black hole sucking in all my attention. assuming you didnt immediately close the image like i do, how do you even comment on something like that? 'great work! when i squint a little so im not focusing on the massive watermark, the parts i can see around it are really well done!'

with regards to the prints thing - i am sure i sell less prints on DA because i basically make the full resolution image available, so anyone can just download it and print it out for a fraction of the cost. but the alternative is to cripple my uploads via watermarking or shrinking so that all detail is lost, to try and milk more print sales. i guess i have pcked what - to me - is the lesser of the two evils.

but i dont make my living from prints/gallery:  im sure its a much different consideration for someone who does. 

I agree that watermarking is ugly. But I don't think it's necessarily arrogant. Paranoid, in some cases, yes. Arrogant in some, yes as well. But not all. Sometimes I think it's frustration -- throwing your hands in the air -- while hoping a better solution comes along.

I don't make my living from prints either. I expect about six or seven people on DeviantArt do.

I see making full resolution files available for downloads as similar to leaving the jewelry counter unlocked. Sure it will probably result in more sales, as customers who get to handle goods are more likely to buy, and if they don't have to wait for a salesperson to hover over them, even more so. But there are distinct risks involved in doing so. So you have to balance the losses with the gains and make your decision.

As with jewelry, peeps who steal your stuff weren't going to buy it anyway. Few sales lost there, if any.

I don't think highly enough of my photos to believe that anything is gained by looking at resolutions any greater than 800 pixels. Or maybe it's the opposite. Maybe I think they look good enough that you don't need to see the tiny details. Not sure which.

TL;DR summary -- Agree. Watermarks are darned ugly. But....

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I agree images with the big text layer copyright across the image defeat the purpose of displaying the image. But, isn't there the embedded watermark Photoshop filter that only shows when the document is printed?

Quote - I agree images with the big text layer copyright across the image defeat the purpose of displaying the image. But, isn't there the embedded watermark Photoshop filter that only shows when the document is printed?

There may be such  a thing, but I don't see how it would survive loading the image in Photoshop, ctrl-a, ctrl-c, file>new, ctrl-v...

And that doesn't address web-only use of images.

What's needed is 1. a way for watermarks to appear only when an image is displayed on a different server from the one specified by the original creator (and not just for hotlinked images), and 2. a way to show the watermark pasted over the image in browser screenshots, or 3. a way to punch people in the face right through their monitors when they take your stuff and claim it as their own.

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Quote - 3. a way to punch people in the face right through their monitors...

i just made that same 'feature request' a few minutes ago, when i was discussing my new biggest pet peeve:  people who type in Cockney accents.

whenever you think youve seen every kind of internet douche, a new breed is born.

Attached Link: Cockney and other accents

It's not that 'ard ter type in Cockney. "The Dialectizer" makes it easy. I knew I could find a Cockney generator since it is entirely too much work ter devise the phonetics for an accent oneself, do wot guvnor!

Download my free stuff here: http://www.renderosity.com/homepage.php?page=2&userid=323368

Quote - ...since it is entirely too much work ter devise the phonetics for an accent oneself, do wot guvnor!

Ah dunno, burrahthink Ah juss 'ave t'type thway Ah tawk tuhgerra Lanky dialect.

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That sucks.  I'd definitely say see a laywer.  Understood you're leaving for Europe soon, but they'll work behind the scenes for you.  If you don't act now for it, you'll never be able to stand you're own ground in the future if they do it again.....

 

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A funny story about Copyrights. About 15 years ago I was working in a print shop and the local newspaper had sent over a 4"x5" film transparency they wanted scanned to CD. I had it up on my monitor and was double checking the scan when this guy behind me said "I hope you have a copyright release for that." in a not too friendly voice. "Whaaa..." I said turning around. He was the photographer of the image, and had wandered into the store for another matter. Fortunately the newspaper had also included their copyright release. O.O;

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Since where on the subject ,I get confused about what rights all the defrent sites have to do with my art if I post my art on there site.

I always thought DA could sell t shirts and all with my art on it.
In exchange for them host my art free.

The WEB is pirates play ground.
YouTube was built on piracy.

If your art is any good it will be pirated on the web.
But if you want to play the game you half to play on the Web.

Before the Web Bands concerts where cheep I saw KISS,OZZY $8.00
they made there $$$ with records.
Now cause of the Web they make there $$$ with concerts.
why buy a CD , with You tube ?

Lynyrd Skynyrd new CD was on YouTube as fast a lighting.

I was thinking on putting my name in the Art.
Have a rock in the grass with RorrKonn on it.
A book on a shelf with RorrKonn on it just put my name some where kinds discreat.

 

 

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Quote - I always thought DA could sell t shirts and all with my art on it.
In exchange for them host my art free.

This is incorrect. You can sell things with your art on it via DA, and they get a cut. If you are a paid member, their cut is smaller. So far, I've actually only sold art to myself. (I wanted some of my art on coffee mugs, and made a couple of prints.)