whaleman opened this issue on Feb 22, 2013 · 80 posts
whaleman posted Fri, 22 February 2013 at 4:15 AM
I am not happy with the recent changes to the web site...
1. The new small boxes for commenting are very poor, they do not allow you to see very much of what you have written and cause me to be constantly scrolling or just terminate a comment rather than bother.
2. I very much dislike the font that was chosen for commenting, a "t" that is almost the same size of vowels, and an "r" that practically disappears. That is a decorative font unsuitable for general reading. Times or Arial is much more suitable, which is why everyone else uses them!
3. The thumbnail titles of the gallery pages constantly clip off descenders from the line above, so artists such as "jayfar" appear as "iavfar" and "Jay-el-Jay" becomes Jav-el-Jav." Had he not used capitals, it would have become "iav-el-iav" instead. Just check the Photography gallery to see what I mean. Use a font that fits so everything can be read.
4. The main page colors now present us with very high contrast due to too much white next to a medium dark blue.
5. As another member pointed out, you can no longer hover over a thumbnail to see statistics about the upload. Why was that deleted?
6. For me the most off-putting thing is the poor legibility of the font selection. It could be a deal-breaker for me because it is as difficult to read as something written with all capitals. Lots of research has been done regarding legibility of different fonts.
7. I am seeing a continual decline in the number of users on at any one time, yet even though fewer are on-line at any given time, the site seems to run at a snail's pace and I am wondering if people are leaving because of the annoyance of slow response times? I also wonder if the site has reduced the number of servers?
These are my feelings!
Wayne (whaleman)
AZBO posted Fri, 22 February 2013 at 4:22 AM
And so say all of us
Old in the head-New to learning.
byheart posted Fri, 22 February 2013 at 6:27 AM
Logged in today to be blinded by changes . . . I see some improvements, but the all in all largeness of the header section and two rowa of text links instead of 1 is annoying and the brightness of the background is just plain blinding . . .
just my opinion, of course . . . but, I cam in needing to get to my account and where is it? if it's in the drop down my my username, the banner is overlaying it and I can't see what's there.
kgb224 posted Fri, 22 February 2013 at 7:11 AM
I am all with you whaleman.
Can Renderosity staff listen and read this.
Why not ask anyone to suggest changes or improvements.
God Bless.
MrsLubner posted Fri, 22 February 2013 at 8:59 AM
Most changes are made after listening to things that come up in the suggestion box or written directly to Admin. After a year or so, staff evaluates the areas with the most complaints and those items are addressed. Sometimes, to fix those problems, other changes have to be made in the programming. As far as I know and from my own experience, changes are all based on community input. And not everyone is happy when that happens.
My suggestion is that we, the members, also share with admin when things are working well and we like what we have.
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photosynthesis posted Fri, 22 February 2013 at 10:08 AM
I completely agree with whaleman's thoughtful comments. This was not a well thought out change. Is there a test system where these types of changes are tried out before implementing on the actual live system? If so, does anyone review the changes before they're implemented? One suggestion I have is to solicit volunteers from the user community to review changes for a few days on the test system before implementing them live.
AZBO posted Fri, 22 February 2013 at 10:12 AM
Tooooooooo Late to test-Everyone is testing it together
Old in the head-New to learning.
MrsLubner posted Fri, 22 February 2013 at 11:03 AM
LOL
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helanker posted Fri, 22 February 2013 at 12:46 PM
I have always disliked the blue color... It screems at me, so when we got these blues, I got it fixed.. forgot by who I got the new settings, so most of my site was the gray tones. LOVE it, as i could stay in here fo a long time, without my eyes began to get tired. No disturbing different colors and Wayne is so right about the way too different contrasts. I am not good at these codes. It would take me ages to change it to my own colors again, because now much of it seems to have been overwritten. But still i have one grey left. The text box, but only AFTER the text is written.
Either it must be a dark site or a light site, but not both....PU-LEEEAAZZZZZE!!
The upper head part is absolutely terribly white for the eyes against the blue or my own grey box. Or is it at all my own anymore? Is it so, that you on purpose made it grey, screeming blue and screeming white. WHY?? all these colors.... think about these colors against a foggy landscape... It spoils totally the pictures, in my opinion.
Yes, and the suddently narrow commenting box..... FOR WHAT USE?????????? WHY?
Again I agree with Wayne. That didnt do any good either. Neither the color of it. Atleast HERE, the box remains in the usual size.
Helle
MrsRatbag posted Fri, 22 February 2013 at 2:54 PM
I'm with Wayne, and the change in the layout, i.e. the big borders around the smaller central "business area" are quite off-putting on my computers. And I have ALWAYS hated the blues. I mentioned in my upload today that I don't believe the needs of photographers are considered on this site, I believe it was created for other types of digital artists, and we are the poor stepchildren. There are certainly ways this could be dealt with if anyone cared, but no one asks us. I am increasingly moving to other sites where it is easier to see what I'm doing!
Azhrarn posted Fri, 22 February 2013 at 8:54 PM
For the love of commerce, please just change it back. This new stuff is hideous.
Antaran posted Fri, 22 February 2013 at 10:35 PM
In addition to the 7 excellent points above (I agree with all of them), there is another poor change to the store:
And yes, high contrast light sections on dark background look horrible. This is no longer an inviting site. I want to get out of this flashi nonsense as soon as possible.
So: No more browsing the marketplace. No more reading of news. No more leisurely looks at the galleries and clicking on credited products to check them out.
I used to have my Portfolio here, but if the design doesn't change, I'll be moving it over to other sites, because this is downright embarrassing for anyone who works in any graphics field.
whaleman posted Sat, 23 February 2013 at 2:31 AM
I might add that I spend at least one hour per day on this site, often more, so it is kind of a home for me in many ways, and my community. The community is important for a guy living alone like me. I'm sure there are many others like me who resent 'our home' being renovated without our opinion, let alone our consent.
As Harry Belafonte sang so many years ago, "You must wait for the masses, man! Because if you don't and they catch up with you they will trample you to death!" Well, Renderosity does not have to worry about being trampled to death, but the silent sound of people tramping off to other sites (which abound) is not something to be taken lightly.
And to those who do decide to leave, please leave us a goodbye message along with your destination so we can hook up again, thanks!
Wayne (whaleman)
kgb224 posted Sat, 23 February 2013 at 2:48 AM
Wayne i feel the same.
Renderosity is a site where i feel comfortable to share my pictures and interact on the photography forums. I am honest to say this is the only site where i try to upload a picture every day. Not that I am alone. I have a wife and 2 wonderful daughters.,but i like to interact and comunnicate with my fellow Renderosity artists.So I trust the admins would attent to the ponts that you and other Renderosity members including myself have mentioned on the topic "Web site changes". Blessed day and weekend. God Bless.
Kazam561 posted Sat, 23 February 2013 at 5:28 AM
Okay, just accidentally tried to put an item that was already in my cart into my cart again. Website caught it, fine, excellent. Problem is the text is dark (olive?) on dark blue. It's almost impossible to read unless you highlight it with your mouse. Not good color scheme at all guys.... :(
Edited to add a thought. Not a fan of bright white, but here's a simple fix. Change the white spots on the website with blue (not the lettering) and the blue spots with white. At least then you could mostly read the text. Also, no website beta feedback? Really??
The dust settled, thinking "what a fine home, at least for now" not realizing that doom would soon be coming in the form of a vacuum cleaner.
Fenier posted Sat, 23 February 2013 at 9:29 AM
Quote - I completely agree with whaleman's thoughtful comments. This was not a well thought out change. Is there a test system where these types of changes are tried out before implementing on the actual live system? If so, does anyone review the changes before they're implemented? One suggestion I have is to solicit volunteers from the user community to review changes for a few days on the test system before implementing them live.
I am not sure what they do here, but typically development goes like this:
Massive design and functionaility issues are not a good user or customer experience. You don't want the userbase to deal with that on a prolonged basis so you test everything very well prior to deployment.
Adobe_One_Kenobi posted Sat, 23 February 2013 at 12:09 PM
"And to those who do decide to leave, please leave us a goodbye message along with your destination so we can hook up again, thanks!"
You are cordialy invited to "Follow me here"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/87216658@N02/
To the designers of these hideous pages.
1 I admire you perfect 20/20 vision. Mine is severe astigmatism. This crap does not help, it hurts my eyes!!!!!!!!!!!
2 We will be told to give this time to tweak it. TWEAK it back to how it was.
3 And the most important piece of advice you seemed to miss "If it isn't broke, DON'T FIX IT"
4 Lastly I have unchecked the box to notify me when someone answers. I shall not be back. I came back here because I liked it, now it is a painful business to view.
It's so painful I had to prepare all this text in a word processor in order to spend as little time here as I could to alleviate the pain.
5 This site has never ever been “User friendly” The uploading system is archaic and fundamentally confusing to some people. Forget to change ONE thing, and you are forced to start over, I recollect when I was a co-ordinator here, one moron who shall remain nameless, implied I was a liar when I said that one of the changes made was not correctly functioning. One wonders where this disaster will lead attitude to members. I guess if you have paid your subscription, you have a modest level of respect.
Bye y'all See you at flickr.
ariannah posted Sat, 23 February 2013 at 2:56 PM
I just tried readig my profile prefs and the colors are so close I can't read anything without constantly highlighting things to I can read it! Is there a way to change this area? There is no way I can read it the way it is.
I dare you, while there is still time, to have a magnificent obsession. --William Danforth
whaleman posted Sat, 23 February 2013 at 3:09 PM
Thanks Ronnie, I made a new link!
kgb224 posted Sat, 23 February 2013 at 3:11 PM
Quote - Thanks Ronnie, I made a new link!
Whaleman do you have a flickr account?
I am there as well.
God Bless.
Fenris9 posted Sat, 23 February 2013 at 3:46 PM
Why is it that Rendo' seem to have the habit of retrogressive 'improvements'? A couple of years back we had the change in the Search capabilities that 'enabled' you to find less items than you could previously. Worse , this was never rectified.
Now we have a set of changes to a smart and funtional looking website that are crime to aesthetics and retinas everywhere. I have to say that while the items prices remain the same, the site looks extremely 'low-budget'. Like an overlit, concrete-bunker shop selling poor imitation knock-offs.
As a long standing customer here I'm appalled, however if I was one of the artists selling here, I would be LIVID!
I don't care that money has been spent to make these changes happen, that is no excuse to refuse to listen to the overwhelming feedback everyone is giving you. Think of the costs incurred as a lesson hard learnt and put the site back the way it was!
whaleman posted Sat, 23 February 2013 at 5:06 PM
Christo, I do not have an account there, yet. I will go and check it out. I hear it is very popular, so probably one will have to add a logo if I post there. I would rather stay with Renderosity and force changes that make sense.
Kazam561 posted Sat, 23 February 2013 at 5:38 PM
Still better than one of the competitor sites (who shall remain unnamed but has 4 letters and 1 number in it's name). At least here the site still works (reasonably). There it took a year for them to get key features to work. They really ignore customers there too.
The dust settled, thinking "what a fine home, at least for now" not realizing that doom would soon be coming in the form of a vacuum cleaner.
SidheRoseGraphics posted Sat, 23 February 2013 at 6:28 PM
The new look is most unaesthetically pleasing and it does hurt the eyes - in several ways. I see you toned down the white a bit with some greyish masks but it really does little to improve this look. All I've heard/read is complaints.
My main points of complaint:
The colors in the forum boxes would be nice to use on the site. They're very readable and don't hurt the eyes. Some of us spend hours on our computers as it is: setting up and doing renders, working on figures, working in Photoshop, emails, and other things. To come here and have them assaulted with these colors is not good. Dark grey or black page backgrounds show images off much better than these blues - for both 3D art and photographers. Even a soft pearl grey would be better.
My biggest issue is the text boxes and the size of the page at 100% however. I have to crank my zoom in my browser up to 150% just to fill up the screen and be able to actually see an image and read comments, text, etc. The comment and 'Notes' boxes are ridiculously small. The comment box takes up a fourth of the space there - the rest is wasted. The Notes box for uploads is particularly awful and that slider bar on the bottom just makes it worse - especially if you are a writer. The slider bar jumps to the left as soon as you load your text, and somehow paragraphs are reformatted. It's hard to see what you're doing/writing. Please fix these boxes.
If you made your changes for Windows 8 and the pads/tablets and phones you have only enabled the online shopping experience from those devices. I only know one person out of all those I know who could afford a tablet or pad that might be capable of rendering in any 3D program and he doesn't do 3D art. I only know of one person here who even uses a laptop. We are on pcs and macs here and you have effectively made this an unpleasant experience.
whaleman posted Sat, 23 February 2013 at 6:35 PM
In addition, on my iPad I found I could not reply to an email question. What is that about?
Art_Sorcery posted Sat, 23 February 2013 at 9:19 PM
*HORROR I thought I was on the wrong site when the next day I came here and saw, WHITE & BLUE!!!! I think of Rendo has black, and when it changed to that blue color before, it did not flatter most of the thimbnails on products. Now here we have WHITE and blue!!! It looks AWFUL! It hurts my eyes. I agree about the comment boxes and much of what was said above. We are artists! Who designed this and why was I not notified for an opinion??!!! O_0
photosynthesis posted Sat, 23 February 2013 at 9:50 PM
Hello? Are there any admins monitoring this thread? We have a whole bunch of unhappy folks here who are waiting for some kind of response. At least one has left vowing never to return & it sounds like others are at least contemplating leaving. At the very least, it would be nice to hear a "We're listening & are working on a remedy"...
ariannah posted Sat, 23 February 2013 at 9:53 PM
points to above
Would be great to have a "thanks" button here too please.
I dare you, while there is still time, to have a magnificent obsession. --William Danforth
whaleman posted Sat, 23 February 2013 at 10:02 PM
I just commented on one photo and it seems the font has been changed back to a non decorative font but the commenting box is still ridiculously small. Also the main page header has had the contrast reduced a bit. Someone is paying attention, so let's keep up the pressure until the other items are properly resolved!
whaleman posted Sun, 24 February 2013 at 12:49 AM
Nope, I was wrong, still the same lame difficult-to-read font is being used, and still in a tiny claustrophobic box, but here in the forum (where it is less serious) we have a proper widely-accepted font. Why?
durleybeachbum posted Sun, 24 February 2013 at 1:10 AM
I hope someone is listening!
I was very pleased to get the floating info back above the thumbs, so that's a start.
durleybeachbum posted Sun, 24 February 2013 at 4:48 AM
Another very irritating thing is the close proximity of the adverts down the side which impinge on the view. There is plenty of space to move them to the right leaving a bigger border, and them perhaps we could have more black round our images.
helanker posted Sun, 24 February 2013 at 7:38 AM
X-PaX posted Sun, 24 February 2013 at 12:12 PM
I'm just trying to edit my profile and it is very hard to read a dark gray text on a dark blue background.
I hope someone is listening. Would be nice to get feedback from the admins.
X-PaX
ariannah posted Sun, 24 February 2013 at 12:51 PM
Quote - I'm just trying to edit my profile and it is very hard to read a dark gray text on a dark blue background. I hope someone is listening. Would be nice to get feedback from the admins.
That is exactly what I was referring to earlier in this thread. It's beyond frustrating having to highlight text just to be able to read it. Plus I'm prone to migraines which this doesn't help. I need contrast. Having aging eyes doesn't help either. Would it be so difficult to offer an option to change skins? Even if only a few style sheets were coded it shouldn't be too much to request.
I dare you, while there is still time, to have a magnificent obsession. --William Danforth
jendellas posted Sun, 24 February 2013 at 1:23 PM
I agree with the above, very glaring on the eyes.
helgas posted Sun, 24 February 2013 at 3:15 PM
Quote - I just tried readig my profile prefs and the colors are so close I can't read anything without constantly highlighting things to I can read it! Is there a way to change this area? There is no way I can read it the way it is.
Neither can I. Even with 20/20 vision this would be a challenge. Some designers are not able to see colors correctly (not actually color blind but color vision challenged). I had to deal with this problem for 15 years.
The olive? on blue brought all these memories back to me. What a horror.
flavia49 posted Sun, 24 February 2013 at 5:37 PM
I totally agree with whaleman.
The colors aren't eye-friendly. The font is to small and difficult to read, I suggest this forum font also in the galleries. The comment box is way small, I suggest the same size of the reply box here in the forum.
5h2oom posted Sun, 24 February 2013 at 6:57 PM
I find the menu navigation to be very painful. I think the dropdowns should appear on rollover, and the titles themselves should link directly to the corresponding topic (you click on galleries to go to the gallery homepage). Having a dropdown menu is great, this one however is not very well done. Who designs this site??? They need some serious help.
KimberlyC posted Sun, 24 February 2013 at 8:09 PM
Thank you all for your thoughts on site issues. We are aware of the issues and are currently working on fixing all areas of the site. Please bear with us as these chanages take place.
Thanks!
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whaleman posted Sun, 24 February 2013 at 8:27 PM
Thank you Kimberly!
kgb224 posted Sun, 24 February 2013 at 9:46 PM
Quote - Thank you all for your thoughts on site issues. We are aware of the issues and are currently working on fixing all areas of the site. Please bear with us as these chanages take place.
Thanks!
Thank you Kimberly.
God Bless.
danapommet posted Sun, 24 February 2013 at 11:09 PM
I received a comment on a past posting and wanted to read that comment. Since the comment was on page two of that postings comments – I can’t get to it. I can only see page one of my comments. What have you done to us???????
Dana Pommet
KimberlyC posted Sun, 24 February 2013 at 11:22 PM
danapommet - I'm unsure what your trying to say. Why are you unable to get to the second page of a thread? Is it not clickable? Are you unable to see the link? Can you please explain to me so I understand better.
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whaleman posted Sun, 24 February 2013 at 11:58 PM
Dana, I went into your gallery and checked two of your uploads which have more than one page of comments and I was able to see the second page of each, with both my desktop and with my iPad, and I could type into the comment boxes as well. Maybe time to hit restart perhaps?
Wayne
Art_Sorcery posted Mon, 25 February 2013 at 1:51 AM
Dana, I agree with Wayne. I had no probs in your gallery! Just hate the tiny, itty bitty comment boxes!
So good to see Admin on here! TY Kimberly for letting us know. :)
wysiwig posted Mon, 25 February 2013 at 2:33 AM
And while we are whining:
What happened to the Edit option on our posts?
We can no longer get price information by hovering over a thumnail in the 'What's Hot' listings.
It seems once a day since the improvements I'm getting a SQL error 'Too Many Connections' and can't access the site.
helanker posted Mon, 25 February 2013 at 2:36 AM
I believe the problem was, that the second page is with white colors, like it was NOT used yet. SO Dana might already have been on the second page?
It might have made confusion... It did to me at first. It is against common rules. It use to be none colored (white or black) until you have clicked on it. Here it is the opposite.
But thanks to Kimberly for responce.
Helle
Adobe_One_Kenobi posted Mon, 25 February 2013 at 9:36 AM
This is a far cry Better better better!!!!!!!!!! Just the annoying little comment box that I have to keep resizing everytime I try to use it, colour wise. I am extremely happy with this. Thank you for actually listening to us, that counts foa lot in my opinion. This is still a bit contrasty, but a lot more comfortable on the eyes.
Kudos chaps and chapesses.
Adobe_One_Kenobi posted Mon, 25 February 2013 at 9:46 AM
Just a thought.
The texture over the site headers and footers, applied to the rest of the white areas would look nice and a lot easier on the eye. Just my ten cents.
Thank you Admin (Kimberly) for seeing this griping thread and acting so promptly. I retract my quasi- derision in my original post
Ronnie
Adobe_One_Kenobi posted Mon, 25 February 2013 at 10:42 AM
ariannah posted Mon, 25 February 2013 at 11:31 AM
Kimberly, just wanted to say thanks for your reply. It's nice to read that our feedback hasn't fallen on deaf ears & been lost in the void!
But while here, I'll add to the contingent discussing there being too much white and dead space. It really hurts my eyes. That much glare is a migraine trigger for me for sure.
I dare you, while there is still time, to have a magnificent obsession. --William Danforth
KimberlyC posted Mon, 25 February 2013 at 11:48 AM
Ronoir - Your screen should not look like that. You need to try CTRL + R (Hard refresh)
Ariannah - you may need to do the same.
Your screen should have the white banner and then below a dark blue background.
@ Above - Ahh I see. It was gallery comments not forum. Yes that is a common problem that isn't really connected to the changes.
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Adobe_One_Kenobi posted Mon, 25 February 2013 at 11:53 AM
Kimberley. My screen dosent look like that, that is a screen capture representation I placed into Photoshop and applied "Gausian" noise too to illustrate how better and softer the white areas would be covered with the texture that is applied to the headers and footers. My screen is otherwise the same as everyone's. Better now that the electric blue against the white, which was causing myself and a few other members eye pain.
I really am appreciative of the prompt fix you and IT did virtualy overnight.
Adobe_One_Kenobi posted Mon, 25 February 2013 at 12:08 PM
Oops. Apologies Kimberly. I have just noticed i used the British spelling for your name. Sorry for that.
KimberlyC posted Mon, 25 February 2013 at 3:56 PM
Ronoir - ahh ok. I thought you were showing a current screenshot.
Thats ok.. thats pretty small to what I've been called before. :biggrin:
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Adobe_One_Kenobi posted Mon, 25 February 2013 at 5:02 PM
Aww then those calling you things are NOT ladies or Gentlemen eh?
Terraflora3D posted Tue, 26 February 2013 at 1:16 AM
I agree with whaleman - please give us the old Renderosity back!
helanker posted Tue, 26 February 2013 at 2:28 AM
Quote - I agree with whaleman - please give us the old Renderosity back!
Yes but before the blue background please :)
Art_Sorcery posted Tue, 26 February 2013 at 6:09 AM
Yes, I agree with Helanker above!!! (just my two cents!)
DocMikeB posted Tue, 26 February 2013 at 7:48 AM
What about to use a color scheme like the one used in 2008-2009-2010 ?
http://web.archive.org/web/20100903062058/http://www.renderosity.com/
It was eye-friendly, functional and elegant.
People loved it... more than the blue one introduced in 2011.
helanker posted Tue, 26 February 2013 at 8:46 AM
Quote - What about to use a color scheme like the one used in 2008-2009-2010 ?
http://web.archive.org/web/20100903062058/http://www.renderosity.com/
It was eye-friendly, functional and elegant.
People loved it... more than the blue one introduced in 2011.
Thats exactly what I meant. That would be nice. Only, the left bar should still stay away.
And if they would remove all the different double links and other commercial unusable stuff on the top of our gallery, so that we dont have to scroll a whole page down before we can see what actually was the meaning to see, The SHARED stuff, it would be ever so nice too.
And if we want to change things in our own options, we only need the link to our own page to use them. Do we really need to change our own options and settings all over the site? I dont think so. But maybe this is to difficult to change, as it has never before been otherwise.
SAS3D posted Tue, 26 February 2013 at 5:15 PM
I've had trouble responding to site mail using my iPad as well. Also, the FAQ section is nearly impossible to read due to the color of the text against the background.
Finally, I've realized that the branding header (for vendor store), and Thumbnail Image (for product sale) both changed in dimensions.
It would have been nice to get a heads up since we just happened to be currently working on those two particular images for your site and now have to make changes to them. I'm glad we checked before posting, but a lot of the changes are not very transparent to the vendors.
photosynthesis posted Wed, 27 February 2013 at 11:41 AM
15% Web browser header
25% Renderosity header
15% Generic gallery header
10% Marketplace ad banner
35% Photography Gallery header
0% The thumbnail previews I actually want to see
The Photography Gallery header actually had more content that I have to scroll to see. I could reduce the footprint of my web browser header a little, but that still wouldn't get me to the thumbnails. I can only imagine what folks working at a lower resolution would see. I checked some of the other galleries to see if they might have a smaller footprint & the best one I found was the Photoshop Gallery, which had no header at all & on which I could at least see the first row of thumbnails.
This is not what a well-designed web experience is supposed to be like - headers are not supposed to take up more than an entire page & prevent users from seeing any content at all without scrolling. I can suggest a few possible solutions:
Use some of the wasted horizontal space for content
Use more dropdowns
Encourage whoever is responsible for maintaining the various galleries to reduce their header bloat
Make images & text smaller
Eliminate non-essentials!
I am sure others can come up with other suggestions. I offer this as constructive criticism from someone who has been a member for a long time & who really appreciates what the Renderosity community has to offer.
helanker posted Wed, 27 February 2013 at 12:36 PM
photosynthesis, that is what I meant in my last post. I am just not so good at explaining it. Thank you :)
Helle
Adobe_One_Kenobi posted Wed, 27 February 2013 at 12:38 PM
I have noticed an increasing propensity of websites redesigning their pages for the awfully inept little swipey cellphones/tablets. If we were to weigh up the percentages. There'd be more laptops/desktop, that all these overpriced and under performing apple i trinkets. This is why we as computer users are having to scroll and click through more. Fortunately I have a touch screen PC. Well worth the swipey trend, as it has better specs than any of the other rubbish.
Fenier posted Wed, 27 February 2013 at 2:18 PM
You are correct that currently, Desktops and Laptops outnumber mobile devices for the majority of traffic (varies by site, of course). However I have personally witnessed a nearly 20% year over year jump on mobile traffic on several sites which I have traffic data for.
That said, while Apple is a huge majority in the U.S. it's actually the minority world wide. Android regins with 70~% of the market.
Because of the concept of technical debt, it actually makes sense to start adjusting sites now prior to the point in time mobile traffic exceeds 50% of total site traffic (which for a lot of sites, is coming up, if not already here).
photosynthesis posted Wed, 27 February 2013 at 2:55 PM
Fenier, two points:
Though there's no denying that mobile is on the ascendency & works fine for many (maybe most?) types of apps, the idea of people viewing work on art sites like Renderosity on a tiny phone screen seems absurd & so designing the site for that type of device makes no sense. Tablets are a bare minimum & I personally don't use my tablet for Renderosity at all due both to size & quality of image (though certainly I could get a better quality of image by paying more & quality will likely continue to improve). No matter how popular mobile devices become, there is no reason why people would subject themselves to their size limitations in their homes.
Rather than abandoning home users for mobile users, doesn't it make more sense for sites to either design for both or offer alternate versions? More upfront work to do that, but a good long term investment.
Don't think it makes sense to have a long debate about this here, I don't think it's the right forum for it, but I did want to at least respond to the idea that you seemed to be proposing that Renderosity sacrifice it's home users at the altar of mobile users.
Adobe_One_Kenobi posted Wed, 27 February 2013 at 3:14 PM
I couldn't agree more Claude. I raised the point of these “Gimmicks” to lend weight to your argument about excessive headers, I was merely pointing out the growing, and VERY annoying trend for poseurs and their techno gadgets. None of which I have the time for.
This is not aimed at any indevidual but everyone of this trend that insists we change to meet their demands!
Meisiekind posted Thu, 28 February 2013 at 9:22 AM
Claude - that you so much for starting this link and your (and every other) very valueable opinion.
I will right now refer it to Admin for their view and input.
In the meantime I will work on the Photography Banner over which I have a little control. The rest of it I'm sure you know is not under my control.
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Elliott Erwitt
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TinaK posted Thu, 28 February 2013 at 10:24 AM
Yes Claude thanks so much for the information and I am sending this over to our programmer to take a look.
I will be back in touch (promise) soon.
Tina Kaylor
Community Manager
Meisiekind posted Thu, 28 February 2013 at 10:59 AM
Thanks Tina - you're the best!
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"To me, photography is an art of observation. It's about finding something interesting in an ordinary place... I've found it has little to do with the things you see and everything to do with the way you see them."
Elliott Erwitt
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TinaK posted Thu, 28 February 2013 at 1:43 PM
Hello,
Just wanted to update everyone on what I have found out so far. As for this area they have not had a chance to work on the in's and out's but they promise that it is coming in the near future. There are several different modules that make up our site and currently they have only worked on the Home page and Marketplace.
If I receive any other updates I will make sure and try to keep everyone in the loop.
Thanks
Tina Kaylor
Community Manager
whaleman posted Thu, 28 February 2013 at 2:34 PM
They have obviously worked on the gallery pages because that's where all or most complaints expressed here have come from. My patience is wearing thin. They changed it overnight, they can change it back to what it was overnight too.
helanker posted Thu, 28 February 2013 at 3:30 PM
I see some changes here for the colors....It is in my opinion a step in the right direction :)
Thank you very much. :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) Now I will take a look in the galleries.
Helle
KimberlyC posted Thu, 28 February 2013 at 11:56 PM
Quote - They have obviously worked on the gallery pages because that's where all or most complaints expressed here have come from. My patience is wearing thin. They changed it overnight, they can change it back to what it was overnight too.
There are still some things that need to be tweeted. Thank you for bearing with the changes so far. :)
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Adobe_One_Kenobi posted Fri, 01 March 2013 at 9:37 AM
I see the side panels have been toned down to a 50% grey, this is nice. I am warming to this new colour layout :) Well done guys!
X-PaX posted Sat, 02 March 2013 at 7:00 AM
I agree with Ronnie. The grey color is a lot more pleasant.
It is a step in the right direction. Well done.
X-PaX
danapommet posted Sun, 03 March 2013 at 9:18 PM
I like the new way that you are using, for the reduction in size of ‘blank’ avatars, in the comments that are left on our galleries. It saves space and allows for more comments per page. Maybe it will encourage more people to develop avatars also!
Thanks,
Dana P
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