NanetteTredoux opened this issue on Mar 06, 2013 · 16 posts
NanetteTredoux posted Wed, 06 March 2013 at 2:50 PM
I reinstalled the figure from my downloaded file, but it made no difference. It doesn't just happen with this outfit, but apparently all his clothes are affected.
Any suggestion on how to get him working again would be much appreciated.
Poser 11 Pro, Windows 10
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Medzinatar posted Wed, 06 March 2013 at 3:06 PM
you have to check "Match endpoints when conforming"
WandW posted Wed, 06 March 2013 at 3:47 PM
I had noticed that too, Nanette. Odd that it's only on the right side.
I recall that Chocolate notes that either Haru or Natu (or perhaps both) doesn't work properly in Poser 9/PP2012. I don't know what the issue there is...
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joequick posted Wed, 06 March 2013 at 5:21 PM
I also encountered this. Just figured I'd screwed something up. I'll try out the match endpoints thing next time.
joequick posted Wed, 06 March 2013 at 7:21 PM
Medzinatar posted Wed, 06 March 2013 at 8:18 PM
infinity10 posted Wed, 06 March 2013 at 9:07 PM
There was an old method the figure creator mentioned several times in the past:
Do not conform after loading in zero position.
Pose Apollo, then copy Apollo's pose to the clothing. The scaling poses would also be copied, if the clothes were design for Apollo.
You're at the mercy of the Fates, if otherwise. I have had a terrible time with converted clothing from other figures. The upper arms could never be correctly converted.
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NanetteTredoux posted Wed, 06 March 2013 at 10:29 PM
I took Apollo into the setup room to look at his bones, I noticed that even in the zero pose, the collar bone is out of position. Something wrong with the rig.
I found a workaround of sorts. I used figure - symmetry left to right and copied the joint zone also, and now shirts conform properly. You have to do this before conforming the clothes. I never had this issue before.
The shoes are still a mess though. I think the rig is damaged in the feet as well, but I don't know enough about rigging to see what is wrong for myself. I don't think I have the skill to fix the feet.
Here is a screen capture from the setup room showing the difference between the left and right side in the bones. That accounts for the distortion on garments that cover the upper body.
Poser 11 Pro, Windows 10
Auxiliary Apps: Blender 2.79, Vue Complete 2016, Genetica 4 Pro, Gliftex 11 Pro, CorelDraw Suite X6, Comic Life 2, Project Dogwaffle Howler 8, Stitch Witch
MarianneR posted Thu, 07 March 2013 at 2:34 AM
I'm using PoserPro 2012 SR 3.1, win 7 64-bit.
Edited to add that my Apollo version is called !ApolloMaximus2005
NanetteTredoux posted Thu, 07 March 2013 at 9:38 AM
I think my version of Apollo dates from 2007. Otherwise our systems are similar. I went back to earlier backups of my downloads they are the same as the one I am using now, and also have the same problem.
Poser 11 Pro, Windows 10
Auxiliary Apps: Blender 2.79, Vue Complete 2016, Genetica 4 Pro, Gliftex 11 Pro, CorelDraw Suite X6, Comic Life 2, Project Dogwaffle Howler 8, Stitch Witch
WandW posted Thu, 07 March 2013 at 10:27 AM
Quote - Match endpoints does not solve the problem. I am using clothes that worked perfectly before. I wonder if this problem started with one of the recent Poser service packs?
I took Apollo into the setup room to look at his bones, I noticed that even in the zero pose, the collar bone is out of position. Something wrong with the rig.
My Apollo rig looks like yours in PP2012, Nanette. I think I downloaded it in 2008, and the file is !ApolloMaximus.cr2
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MarianneR posted Thu, 07 March 2013 at 10:30 AM
I looked at bit further in my Apollo runtime and it turns out that I have another version called !ApolloMaximus from March 2007. His bones look exactly like in your image above, but the clothes behave properly when I use "Match end points ..." after conforming them.
WandW posted Thu, 07 March 2013 at 10:44 AM
Mine does work with Match Endpoints checked on the PoserWorld clothes I used the last time I used him...
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The Wisdom of bagginsbill:
"Oh - the manual says that? I have never read the manual - this must be why."
NanetteTredoux posted Thu, 07 March 2013 at 11:06 AM
Ah, Marianne, I get it now. I wasn't doing the "match endpoints" thing correctly. Now it works. Thank you so much.
Poser 11 Pro, Windows 10
Auxiliary Apps: Blender 2.79, Vue Complete 2016, Genetica 4 Pro, Gliftex 11 Pro, CorelDraw Suite X6, Comic Life 2, Project Dogwaffle Howler 8, Stitch Witch
WandW posted Thu, 07 March 2013 at 11:34 AM
I just loaded him up in Poser 8 and the rig looks the same, so it is something with the CR2.
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The Wisdom of bagginsbill:
"Oh - the manual says that? I have never read the manual - this must be why."
RedPhantom posted Thu, 07 March 2013 at 4:49 PM Site Admin
When I loaded Apollo in p8 everything worked fine. Rig mirrored each other. Loaded that scene in pp12 and it was fine. Loaded a second apollo into the scene and the shoulder was messed up. So it looks like it has to do with the way the latest versions of poser are reading the cr2
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