hi there. i'm having trouble with Lali's Bits. could someone help me? i'd prefer the help to be private and real time. i'm willing to talk on yahoo or in a chat room. anyone maybe got time? it will take probably two conversations at the most. please send me rosity mail!

Have you tried contacting Erogenesis directly (gives good support) or posting on the Renderotica forum?

Google erogenesis and lali and you will find his blog page. He answers lots of questions there and you can contact him directly

 

yeah i was hoping to avoid that. i had some challenges with the manual and didn't want to discuss that with the product creator. i was hoping for some private and personal help. thanks.

If you're having problems understanding the manual, perhaps others are as well. Hopefully most vendors don't have a probl;em with constructive suggestions on how to improve the product or documentation. It could be a language issue if the person isn't a native English speaker, who knows. Discussing  it in the forum over there or with the vendor directly could help everyone.

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yep it could! but i'm so frustrated that i don't think i'd be able to provide help and suggestions. that's what i'm looking for, myself. so i'm not in a place to provide positive and constructive feedback at this time.

...I was going to try to help OP with the problem as I have Lali's bits but I haven't used Lali in a "penetration capacity" so I couldn't really comment on that functionality. I imagine the OP's line of questioning would revolve around some problem with a foreign object lodged in Lali's bits and corresponding morphs not behaving as expected and those or the prop needing adjustment.

Anyway, Erogenesis has stated many times that he will provide a high level of personalised support for Lali, it's one of the selling bullets for Lali in fact...

I had the same problems reading and following the instructions simultaneously for the product. My last attempt literally blew up and I sent images of the destroyed mesh to the artist who has been real good for supporting his product...just last night and got a response this morning.

Seems strange you wouldn't want to discuss the problem with him though.

About the product, does it create a duplicate of the character, e.g. V4 with the 'bits' added or do you add them to V4 each time you want to use them...?

There is a scripted injection file and once you inject the morphs for the bits and add the gen prop you save it to library for reuse. I did the same thing last night for Xamevas Perfect series. I inject everything and save the figure in the library so i will always have a full injected figure with the bits and adjust moprhs. It is a pain but the fixes it offers are good. I also relly recommend the much simpler to use Karina Vag set in conjunction with Rafeltas Genital morphs...both free. Maybe not as complete as Lali's or as realistic looking from all view points but very nice and easy to use for dead heads like me.  ;)

 

All injections are a pain to use all the time though otherwise. Did the same thing with the V4 moprhs and ++Morphs. I hate having to inject them every time.

Thanks for that... odd subject to be discussing I suppose, let alone why we would want/need such 'bits'... ;)

DireLillith,

 

Send me a private message here and I can help you. I helped Erogenesis develop the scripts for Lali bits and will be willing to help you out.

 

dexterward

Might I ask, what is this product on a technical level?

I see so much postings of "fix morph makers" that tell how difficult is to make "installers" for their products or ERC and such.

That made me wonder: Is this really a "problem" for you? In case you target the poser, there are better ways to install morphs to a figure and better ways to create the ERC than simple valueOpAddDelta.

Why dont you make a python script to install your morphs. You should see my posts about n-dimensional JCMs. Its all scriptable. Don't let injection and .cr2 limits slow you down.  I'd be willing to assist on a python level. Morphs and ERC is my thing.

Quote - Might I ask, what is this product on a technical level?

I see so much postings of "fix morph makers" that tell how difficult is to make "installers" for their products or ERC and such.

That made me wonder: Is this really a "problem" for you? In case you target the poser, there are better ways to install morphs to a figure and better ways to create the ERC than simple valueOpAddDelta.

Why dont you make a python script to install your morphs. You should see my posts about n-dimensional JCMs. Its all scriptable. Don't let injection and .cr2 limits slow you down.  I'd be willing to assist on a python level. Morphs and ERC is my thing.

Lalibits uses a python script to install the morps (create channels, load the morphs and load a prop). It is working fine for most people.

He actually has 2 versions: One for P9 and one for earlier versions. The P9 version works directly on a figure, the other one creates a new figure with new channels. As far as I can see it is quite good.

There is a problem however with crosstalking with other figures due to the naming of the figure morphs in the pose file.

 

Quote - There is a problem however with crosstalking with other figures due to the naming of the figure morphs in the pose file.

 

All other figures?  Or just those based on Victoria?

Quote - > Quote - There is a problem however with crosstalking with other figures due to the naming of the figure morphs in the pose file.

 

All other figures?  Or just those based on Victoria?

It is the order in which you load figures. Load V4 with lalibits first, no problem. Load M4, then V4, you will have crosstalk: Bending the leg of M4 will active the lalibits morph which is a slave of the V4 bend leg - result is V4, not bending her leg, but "correcting" it as if it were bend (a lalibits morph is dependent on V4's thigh bend/sideways).

Not sure if it is tied to gen4 figures, I think it depends on the actors internal names.

 

I got V4 with Carrara I believe...  Anyway I ended up finally getting it and decided last Summer to finally buy some clothing, fixes and misc. and finally see why V4 was so popular. I've tried to make a few characters with P4 male, Posette, Jessi, and lately Anastasia, Tyler and Miki.  There's something about V4 that I find daunting.  So many injections and fixes and stuff I've never really messed with much.  I guess I've always been afraid V4 figures will hit my system resources in ways I am totally unaccustomed to, though it's not likely that I'll be using more than one gen4 figure in a scene any time soon.

 

Quote - Thanks for that... odd subject to be discussing I suppose, let alone why we would want/need such 'bits'... ;)

 

for those of us who create erotica these bits come in handy. now if only i can get them to work. da bits blew up on me...if only i could post the visual her...:(

sent tjhe images to da master and still waiting response.

Quote - for those of us who create erotica these bits come in handy

Oh, absolutely.

Let me get this straight. Mike moves his leg and Vickie's bits respond? Talk about ERC, the implications are mind boggling :-)

"Rafeltas Genital morphs" - link anyone?  

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Quote - Let me get this straight. Mike moves his leg and Vickie's bits respond? Talk about ERC, the implications are mind boggling :-)

"Rafeltas Genital morphs" - link anyone?  

 

Not quite. Mike moves his lef and vicky deforms the legs and hip as if her own legs are bent (which they are not). End results is a massive O-legged figure. This only happens if you load another gen4 figure first. Under normal circumstances you would not even see it - how often does Mike a split? - that is where it becomes very obvious.

lalibits is at 'rotica. karina is at sharecg

 

 

Ah, that makes more sense - though not as interesting. I have Karina's item & know Lali is at 'rotica. Shante referred to some other free morphs. I'll check and see if they're at either of those locations I suppose. Thanks.

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Quote - > Quote - Let me get this straight. Mike moves his leg and Vickie's bits respond? Talk about ERC, the implications are mind boggling :-)

"Rafeltas Genital morphs" - link anyone?  

 

Not quite. Mike moves his lef and vicky deforms the legs and hip as if her own legs are bent (which they are not). End results is a massive O-legged figure. This only happens if you load another gen4 figure first. Under normal circumstances you would not even see it - how often does Mike a split? - that is where it becomes very obvious.

lalibits is at 'rotica. karina is at sharecg

 

 

 

I believe I got Rafeltas genital morphs for V4 at ShareCG. Try doing a search there.

I am pretty sure he is also a vendor here as well.

Hmmm, no rafelta, rafeltas, rafaela, rafella etc, at ShareCG that I can find or here as rafelta(s). No big deal - I haven't actually used such in years - just packrat instinct kicking in :-) Did find some cool tentacles at ShareCG while looking though so all is good. Thanks.

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sorry  misspoke.

Rafelta offered this morph set at Renderotica free stuff.

I just read the readme file that came with the pack.

This is the official address:

 

on which you will find the official promo images and a hot link for the download.

I use it in combination with Karinas pack wich even alone is a wonderful product for what it does and as far as I am concerned the easiest to work with.

Maybe when I learn to work with lali's Bits i can say otherwise. I never had to work so hard for a bit of.................sorry. Time for bed.

You like tentacles, lmckenzie? I'm a great admirer of tentacles! Proud to say that I have probably accumulated the most vast array of poser tentacles as such to boggle the mind.

Anyway, here's a toss off tentacle I made to test PhilC's All Tied Up scripts functionality with adding EP dials to existing figures. The mesh, rigging and UV's done by myself. sorry no textures but the UV's are seamless. You'll have to seperate the maps in UVMapper as they are overlapping and make sure you save the shaft map out as a template with a say 200w x 1000h aspect ratio. as you can see it doesn't have that many bones so the bending is a little jointed, It's EasyPosed! Won't you give it a home?

Here's the Geometries folder. drop text. unzip

Here's the .cr2, drop text. unzip.

...Anyone is welcome to do whatever with the little fellow.

Thanks for that morph link, shante... although I've found that v4's lack of polys down there make morphs alone a little "rudimentary" will check it out, I have the Karina vag, BTW.

All links dead for that Rafelta morph:(... Don't know why he didn't just put it up on freestuff somewhere, all those Rapid-such and such's are GFXer havens.

J

I don't do extreme CU images so it doesn't matter much as long as it doesn't look like an old world pubic hair airbrused out pubis. Just did a 3000 x 3000 at 300 dpi full figure render I obviously can't show here for its full frontal nudirty of V4 with both morphs pack in place while trying out a new to me asian body face morph pack and it was really nice despite V4's low poly mesh down there.

Lali's is even nicer if you can get it to work. Still haven't heard from Erogenesis master.

Quote - All links dead for that Rafelta morph:(... Don't know why he didn't just put it up on freestuff somewhere, all those Rapid-such and such's are GFXer havens.

 

It was available for quite a long time at Renderotica free stuff via RapidShare. I guess it died. Write him there and ask to have it posted at ShareCG.

Thanks for the squirmy rooter primorge. Indeed, one cannot have too many tentacles, they're like duct tape.

Thanks for the effort shante. I'm surprised that I still had a working account at 'Rotica - hadn't been there since 2010 apparently - must be Low T. Their freestuff seemed to have ground to a halt, so maybe there's something new there since then.

OT: WTF my spelling seems to have gone to hell in the last few months and I seem to be noticing more typos in other people's posts as well. I don't suppose I can blame it on the editor. Maybe some strange new terrorist scheme, paraquat sprayed weed from the 70s kicking in, or just my imagination.  

 

"Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H. L. Mencken

I haven't learned 3D on the content creator side enough to make contributions to the community at that end...so whatver contribution I can make I try to make if it will help someone. Sorry though tie links were dead. Seems endemic in the community that is why I go there trawling for new posts daily, when the links are still fresh and the items ripe for the downloading because they quickly dry up if you wait and they are lost forever.

I have had problems even there. I download something and file it away and find it much later to use but sometimes I find it is corrupt or no longer supported.

In this scene you're SOL when you wait too long to use something. Even with commercial sites when vendors leave depending on their agreements support for store items dwindles and you get what you got good or bad.

Nothing new of much interest anywhere that  I can find especially at RENDEROTICA. Anything worthy seems to be for money and I can't blame the content creators for that at all. Like the Free Content, the Free Galleries at Renderotica are getting stale and boring. Seems once they learn to create decent images with Poser they go for the money making venues or showcase them at sites that might offer a bit of cash for their efforts. Would love to be able to do the same thing but the work I do is difficult to showcase even on commercial erotica and erotic fantasy gallery sites. I did get an image published in a book two winters ago: The Future of Erotic Fantasy Art which was printed and distributed internationally but it was bragging rights only and no money in it. Didn't even get a call from the showcase.  :(

I go to DeviantArt for most of my image fix and HentaiFoundry for my weekly erotica fix. Granted they only just opened the doors to Poser users and most of the Poser stuff there is looking like it is at Renderotica for the most part, but it is still interesting enough to be included and viewed until everyone at 'Rotica finds out about it. The best erotica there is painted and that is inspiring enough for my work. Since I have pretty much dedicated myself to that form of imagery as well as erotic fantasy art I can no longer post here so my gallery here is also OLD.

 

Low T!?  LOL

No, boredom! Same ol, same ol has a tendancy of doing that to us all. I am even getting bored creating my own schstek. Being limited on what I can wrap my useless brain matter around the learning curve of, I am also stuck with Same Ol, Same Ol!

I the place was more active years ago, maybe not. Maybe the stigma (hard to understand in this day & age, or not actually) keeps it more stunted. Certainly seeing it referred to here in ominous tones as 'the other place' etc. might put off some people. Maybe a site that was erotic but not pornogrphic might appeal to a bigger audience but that's a hard line to draw - somewhere between here and Thralldom :-) I think 3DCC/Anumotions kind of petered out as well. It may be that there's just not enough fans for a genre specific site to thrive or that 'Rosity and RDNA have sucked up all the available oxygen. The Poserverse isn't as big as some may imagine.  With the new Poser 10 jiggle machine, they need to become the HQ of soft body goodness.

"I download something and file it away and find it much later to use but sometimes I find it is corrupt or no longer supported."

Been there, done that. I use WinRar which has a convenient Test function. I try to remember to test or at least open anything right away. anything I especially value, I convert the .zip to .rar and include a recovery record which may help against disk rot.

 

"Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H. L. Mencken

It seems that the Poserverse is indeed a small pool. Just seeing the same names at the various sites is an indication. Was poking around over at Animotions and Renderotica and it felt pretty vacant (especially Animotions, the forum was kinda depressing). As far as communication goes I only really engage in interactions here at Renderosity, for whatever that's worth... at the other sites I go by a different user name in any case.

Along this line of thought I'm always intrigued when people publicly quit posting on a forum for various reasons, by this I mean those that announce that they will no longer be attending the festivities for various reasons. Kind of like a strange suicide note, don'tcha think? Also, there seems to be less power user commentary here than there used to be... or maybe this is my imagination?

As far as erotic art goes, I've pretty much drifted away from interest in that but when I was younger used to draw erotic/pornographic comixs so maybe that subject matter interest has just run its course. Ironic that now that I'm playing around with Poser, a software that lends itself so well to such subject matter, I no longer have the compulsion to create such imagery. I think too that the digital information age and the ready availability of this subject matter in it's myriad forms has normalized it to the extent that it no longer has the potency or mystique that it once did, there's no longer the need to create these fantasies as something just as good or better can be found in the realm of the "real" (or a closer to it layer of simulation)...

or maybe I'm just becoming a boring old dude now.

Quote - It seems that the Poserverse is indeed a small pool. Just seeing the same names at the various sites is an indication. Was poking around over at Animotions and Renderotica and it felt pretty vacant (especially Animotions, the forum was kinda depressing). As far as communication goes I only really engage in interactions here at Renderosity, for whatever that's worth... at the other sites I go by a different user name in any case.

Along this line of thought I'm always intrigued when people publicly quit posting on a forum for various reasons, by this I mean those that announce that they will no longer be attending the festivities for various reasons. Kind of like a strange suicide note, don'tcha think? Also, there seems to be less power user commentary here than there used to be... or maybe this is my imagination?

As far as erotic art goes, I've pretty much drifted away from interest in that but when I was younger used to draw erotic/pornographic comixs so maybe that subject matter interest has just run its course. Ironic that now that I'm playing around with Poser, a software that lends itself so well to such subject matter, I no longer have the compulsion to create such imagery. I think too that the digital information age and the ready availability of this subject matter in it's myriad forms has normalized it to the extent that it no longer has the potency or mystique that it once did, there's no longer the need to create these fantasies as something just as good or better can be found in the realm of the "real" (or a closer to it layer of simulation)...

or maybe I'm just becoming a boring old dude now.

 

Apologizing to DireLilith for grinching her thread but the problem is I think boredom. If you aren't growing as a visual communicator (intentionally called instead of ARTIST) you and your work (or is it your work AND YOU!?) get stale and once the thrill is gone there seems no reason to continuecreating it. Once the challenge is gone so is the fun. Also, were you doing the erotic art comics for a living?

if you weren't, the incentive that a huge fan base or  distribution network legitimizing your comic creation efforts, has a tendency of feeding the creative frenzy. There are many artist that have been creating that art form longer than me and are still quite loved, viewd and collected by their constituents and adoring fan base. I have a huge collection of published works by Manara, Crepax, Corben, Serpieri and many others (some of which, older, only recently passed away) who are still quit active in the genre.

The internet being the greatest repository of pictures the world has ever experienced has pretty much killed my feeding frenzy for buying/collecting fanzines, printed comics or books. Always hungry for inspiration just to keep my juices from drying up and making me feel creatively baron, I use it instead which is far less costly and space saving. The collection has no value of course, but then neither will my huge printed library have any value once I am dead especially if whoever inherits it has neither any desire in the content or interest in pricing it all out for its' intrinsic collectable value. There are some really valuable pieces there but when we're dead that value is moot.

I try t avoid getting inspiration from the Poser sites in general mainly because the work there seems inbred and stale...like noone creating it has grown.....or sacarine. Got tired of elves and faeries long ago and it seems with all Poser merchants have to offer you see nothing but CU portraits of the figures.  The images are glitzier and the figures richer but you expect to see that as the models get more realistic and the lighting of the applications better. But lets face it Poser is really not used alone by many real 3D artists. The figures, makeup, hair, props, poses and even the lighting are all plug-and-render for the most part. Seems noone uses the character morph dials much judging from the sameness of the figures rendered. Man I spend hours spinning those damn dials to create new figures and rarely even come up with a final finished render. Just to mnd numbing and time sucking fun!

I have always tried creating my stuff as I used to do as a professional photographer, by being a purist whenever possible. I tried using all the principle elements in the Poser stage whenever possible and working the elements and posing and crappy lighting to the best of my admittedly limited skills set allowed and sometimes, even after all these years since P4 dropped into my life, I still surprise myself when I come out with something different.

There is a fine line between porno and erotica. I don't do porno. It's boring as were the old porno images and films of yesteryear with the stupid forced humor, crappy actors, chincy sets and spit-shallow story lines. But you get the films from say the New York Erotic Film Festival or any of the many other high brow erotica purveyors and showcases and you can see the difference quickly. Erotica I am glad to see, like photography did, is finally coming of its own and getting more and more accepted.

Renderotica, aside from the majority on the free gallery section is comprised of Poser beginners and/or erotic art newbies learning the trade so to speak. My work I think (and I have been told via PM by some of the MODS and other creators and viewers there), stands out a bit, it's different and even classier. I think the reason for that is I find the erotic moment not the "plundering, dirty and wet act" (as it has been described to me by many who hate erotica in general) itself but the moments immediately before or after that very personal view.Leaving a bit open for interpretation or wonder always, in my opinion, makes an image more intriguing and therefore erotic when you leave out a bit and not include it all. Of course some of members there hate my stuff for the same reason but that's cool I am glad they cn't use for their quick fix!  LOL

The good artists who have been at Renderotica for a long time are displaying the really good stuff in the paid gallery which seems like a different world, both quality and content wise. Debra and friend sold the site to someone else and I believe still owns and runs Animotions (which at its onset had some good stuff for the Superhero comic art fans in Poser. It's lost a lot of juice as everyone has moved on and P4 figures were no longer supported correctly in the new versions of the application.

I have been into reading, writing, viewing, collecting and creating Erotica and Erotic Art since I was in third grade and having just turned 60 I can say without embarrassment I still enjoy much of it. There is a lot of poop being created and posted but once in a while you do find some brilliant stuff just not as much as you would like to see in the Poser community. I really wish I had never stopped photographing and drawing/painting. Damn Poser killed all that for me and having lost it in the past 20 years I just can't seem to find the MUSE for those methods of art creation (which is why I can no longer call what I do ART or myself an Artist).   :(

oh yeah I love Corben and Manara and that ilk, really very informative to my art early on... Am still a great admirer of their work. As far as myself being a professional, I've managed to sell quite a bit of my ceramic sculpture through the gallery venue and have worked professionally as a production artist(?) for Heath Ceramics in the bay area.

I'm actually putting together a weebly site of my work but have kind of stalled out on uploading any thing more recent than my work up to 10 years ago, If you want to check it out it's here... 

Hesitant to show people this site because I have yet to upload the work that I am most proud of (in particular my later sculpture and vessel work), in other words it's a WIP and should be considered such. At this point there's only 18 images there and I have about 20 or so more to add, not including my more recent obsession with Poser and 3d. Warning, my early work has a tendency to be a bit, ummm, abject or "biologically bizarre" I guess.

"I really wish I had never stopped photographing and drawing/painting. Damn Poser killed all that for me and having lost it in the past 20 years I just can't seem to find the MUSE for those methods of art creation (which is why I can no longer call what I do ART or myself an Artist).   :("

I can understand this, most Poser art I'm frankly sceptical of... My own included. That's why I spend most of my time trying to improve my modeling and other related cg skills. Making Poser imagery is fun but I think the creative meat and potatoes of it is self made content. Perhaps something to consider? Have to admit that CG is a very unintuative medium, there's a lot of tech involved and to learn before any artistic talent can begin to shine through. And the aging thing does have a way of softening the drive, whatever those motivations may be, to be agressively productive.

“As far as communication goes I only really engage in interactions here at Renderosity, for whatever that's worth... at the other sites I go by a different user name in any case.”

Ditto, though I was fairly active in the ‘Rotca forums for a few months at the height.*

‘Suicide notes’ is an interesting take, probably accurate in some regards. People want a last chance to air whatever grievances they felt haven’t been heard. They also likely get more love on departure than during their tenure. Some are happy to see the ‘weak’ culled, but I’m glad admin has started to cut back on some of the evolutionary pressure that may cause people to leave. It’s not the ice age anymore.

“Also, there seems to be less power user commentary here than there used to be... or maybe this is my* imagination?”

Hmm, I misread that as less power users. Depends on what you mean by power user commentary – tech talk, art talk …

“I think too that the digital information age and the ready availability of this subject matter in it's myriad forms has normalized it to the extent that it no longer has the potency or mystique that it once did* …”

Indeed. I feel sorry for today’s adolescents who will never know the illicit thrill of a stolen glance at a copy of Playboy yielded, or the giddy appeal of Amazonian tribeswomen in National Geographic; heck even the legendary Sears catalog was fun. I have to think that the easy exposure to explicit, and in particular, increasingly misogynistic material is not the best thing for the adolescent brain. Actually, I think I’d rather have them playing with Lali and her bits than going online.*

“Apologizing to DireLilith for grinching her thread* …”

Seems to have been abandoned – squatter’s rights ÷)

On the lack of character variation, if a feature’s not used, people may see no need for it or they may be intimidated either by the interface or the function or disappointed with the results. Maybe they are so into the bodies and the clothes that the faces are an afterthought or they’re happy with the various character packs. Could be not feeling competent to create anything good (e.g. I don’t know anything about anatomy, where would I begin changing things and I’d probably create something weird looking, leave it to the professionals.). A better faceroom with support for the DAZ figures might change things, or something like the police identi-kit for creating faces – spinning dials isn’t going to hack it for everyone. Maybe also the perspective thing. I see people always complaining about various defects in the figures that I can’t see. Ditto the ‘I can always tell Vickie from the way her septum is .010 degrees off center.’ Part of it my be lacking a trained eye, not looking at that many gallery images, or different visual priorities. If I see an image, my 1st reaction probably isn’t going to be ‘OMG, WTF, the shadows are wrong, call a cop!’ So maybe the annoying sameness isn’t seen or at least not being perceived in the same way by some. I agree, it’s something you’d think people would take more into account but it is what it is for why ever it is.*

*Going admittedly on very vague memories of what little Crepax, Druuna etc. I saw years ago, I think you might have trouble convincing many (at least among  Americans) that it is art and not pornography, though the distinction is perhaps too subjective to be of any legitimate usefulness other than to prosecutors. I think a lot of people are going to go more on the degree of explicitness and the type of themes being portrayed than on execution or esthetics. The medium may play some role, i.e. a comic may get more slack than a film but OTOH, ‘comics’ evoke children in the minds of many and may be doubly damned. 

It may be heretical but I think attempts at classifying art as good/bad erotic/pornographic, art/not art etc. are ultimately unhelpful. We are always going to make those personal judgments but to the extent that they get promoted, it may only serve to reinforce the notion that some art is illegitimate or should even be suppressed – not the intent, but perhaps the effect. Maybe that strikes at a pillar of criticism, but I’ve always been skeptical of critics judging what I can judge for myself, other than using a like minded person as a recommender.

primorge, your imagination is breathtaking to say the least. Didn't see all of the images but love the colors on some like Eve. The biologicals are a bit too much for me but you could have made a killing on album covers back in the 60s-70s I'd think.  

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Quote - sorry  misspoke.

Rafelta offered this morph set at Renderotica free stuff.

I just read the readme file that came with the pack.

This is the official address:

 

on which you will find the official promo images and a hot link for the download.

I use it in combination with Karinas pack wich even alone is a wonderful product for what it does and as far as I am concerned the easiest to work with.

Maybe when I learn to work with lali's Bits i can say otherwise. I never had to work so hard for a bit of.................sorry. Time for bed.

the download doesnt work. shame...I need a good vagina

https://www.darkelegance.co.uk/

Commission Closed till 2025

Quote - You like tentacles, lmckenzie? I'm a great admirer of tentacles! Proud to say that I have probably accumulated the most vast array of poser tentacles as such to boggle the mind.

Anyway, here's a toss off tentacle I made to test PhilC's All Tied Up scripts functionality with adding EP dials to existing figures. The mesh, rigging and UV's done by myself. sorry no textures but the UV's are seamless. You'll have to seperate the maps in UVMapper as they are overlapping and make sure you save the shaft map out as a template with a say 200w x 1000h aspect ratio. as you can see it doesn't have that many bones so the bending is a little jointed, It's EasyPosed! Won't you give it a home?

OHHHHH a tentacle! THANK YOU!

 

 

useful lil buggers they are...there seems to be a rather large market for that stuff....

 

https://www.darkelegance.co.uk/

Commission Closed till 2025

Quote - oh yeah I love Corben and Manara and that ilk, really very informative to my art early on... Am still a great admirer of their work. As far as myself being a professional, I've managed to sell quite a bit of my ceramic sculpture through the gallery venue and have worked professionally as a production artist(?) for Heath Ceramics in the bay area.

I'm actually putting together a weebly site of my work but have kind of stalled out on uploading any thing more recent than my work up to 10 years ago, If you want to check it out it's here... 

Hesitant to show people this site because I have yet to upload the work that I am most proud of (in particular my later sculpture and vessel work), in other words it's a WIP and should be considered such. At this point there's only 18 images there and I have about 20 or so more to add, not including my more recent obsession with Poser and 3d. Warning, my early work has a tendency to be a bit, ummm, abject or "biologically bizarre" I guess.

"I really wish I had never stopped photographing and drawing/painting. Damn Poser killed all that for me and having lost it in the past 20 years I just can't seem to find the MUSE for those methods of art creation (which is why I can no longer call what I do ART or myself an Artist).   :("

I can understand this, most Poser art I'm frankly sceptical of... My own included. That's why I spend most of my time trying to improve my modeling and other related cg skills. Making Poser imagery is fun but I think the creative meat and potatoes of it is self made content. Perhaps something to consider? Have to admit that CG is a very unintuative medium, there's a lot of tech involved and to learn before any artistic talent can begin to shine through. And the aging thing does have a way of softening the drive, whatever those motivations may be, to be agressively productive.

 

Some nice works. I can see the time reference of the works. In fact the excerpt from FILTH Magazine looks quite familiar and I can't help feeling I either still have the magazine or the piece gutted from it. Due to Purple Haze and Afgani Black and SinSema and Pink Floyd and Iron Butterfly and the likes, Salubrious washed down with dark beer and Jack along with the lousy taste of morning after tobacco mouth, I have no freaking memory cells for important stuff like my name and the names of others, money, sequences, numbers and anything and everything TECH. Sucks. Feel what its like to be in a COMA. But pictures, the food of life for my entire life, I rarely forget.

 

I relate to your problem with organizing and posting older works or even newer works. I bought a good scanner and was going to scan, scan, scan all my old photogrphy and drawings to a web site but for some reason after the fisrt few 20 or so old photos, never got it done. Too tedious and if it is tedious and no fun it don't get done. My mind (lessness) wanders and I am onto something else even as meaningless as spinning more Poser morph dials!  LOL

 

I did love your porcelain Cerial bowl too. Great. If the new stuff or most of the old stuff is like that I can't wait to see it. Reminds me of some of my old stuff and one of my Poser pueces did a few years ago done for the Signature Erotic Art Competition and currently up on their site: 

 

One of the many and growing internet, brick-and-mortar and printed page venues trying to legitimize erotica as a viable art form.

 

where do you post your Poser images?

Quote - > Quote - sorry  misspoke.

Rafelta offered this morph set at Renderotica free stuff.

I just read the readme file that came with the pack.

This is the official address:

 

on which you will find the official promo images and a hot link for the download.

I use it in combination with Karinas pack wich even alone is a wonderful product for what it does and as far as I am concerned the easiest to work with.

Maybe when I learn to work with lali's Bits i can say otherwise. I never had to work so hard for a bit of.................sorry. Time for bed.

the download doesnt work. shame...I need a good vagina

 

When I told a good commercial South American artist, Roberto Melo,  who offred a Poser V4 version of Druuna contest sponsored by:

http://myuksoft.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=699

Last year? As a gift he sent me a vaginal pack for V4. I tried to install it and work it but it was way to difficult and complex for my tastes so I wrote back thanking him profusely for the gift but I said I had never had to work so hard for some.......derogatory for female organ used in place of kitty.......in all my life. He laughed his butt off in reply.

I loved easy girsl in my day and I guess I still like easy props to make v4 my private easy harem squirrel.   LOL

Quote - > Quote - oh yeah I love Corben and Manara and that ilk, really very informative to my art early on... Am still a great admirer of their work. As far as myself being a professional, I've managed to sell quite a bit of my ceramic sculpture through the gallery venue and have worked professionally as a production artist(?) for Heath Ceramics in the bay area.

I'm actually putting together a weebly site of my work but have kind of stalled out on uploading any thing more recent than my work up to 10 years ago, If you want to check it out it's here...

Hesitant to show people this site because I have yet to upload the work that I am most proud of (in particular my later sculpture and vessel work), in other words it's a WIP and should be considered such. At this point there's only 18 images there and I have about 20 or so more to add, not including my more recent obsession with Poser and 3d. Warning, my early work has a tendency to be a bit, ummm, abject or "biologically bizarre" I guess.

"I really wish I had never stopped photographing and drawing/painting. Damn Poser killed all that for me and having lost it in the past 20 years I just can't seem to find the MUSE for those methods of art creation (which is why I can no longer call what I do ART or myself an Artist).   :("

I can understand this, most Poser art I'm frankly sceptical of... My own included. That's why I spend most of my time trying to improve my modeling and other related cg skills. Making Poser imagery is fun but I think the creative meat and potatoes of it is self made content. Perhaps something to consider? Have to admit that CG is a very unintuative medium, there's a lot of tech involved and to learn before any artistic talent can begin to shine through. And the aging thing does have a way of softening the drive, whatever those motivations may be, to be agressively productive.

 

Some nice works. I can see the time reference of the works. In fact the excerpt from FILTH Magazine looks quite familiar and I can't help feeling I either still have the magazine or the piece gutted from it. Due to Purple Haze and Afgani Black and SinSema and Pink Floyd and Iron Butterfly and the likes, Salubrious washed down with dark beer and Jack along with the lousy taste of morning after tobacco mouth, I have no freaking memory cells for important stuff like my name and the names of others, money, sequences, numbers and anything and everything TECH. Sucks. Feel what its like to be in a COMA. But pictures, the food of life for my entire life, I rarely forget.

 

I relate to your problem with organizing and posting older works or even newer works. I bought a good scanner and was going to scan, scan, scan all my old photogrphy and drawings to a web site but for some reason after the fisrt few 20 or so old photos, never got it done. Too tedious and if it is tedious and no fun it don't get done. My mind (lessness) wanders and I am onto something else even as meaningless as spinning more Poser morph dials!  LOL

 

I did love your porcelain Cerial bowl too. Great. If the new stuff or most of the old stuff is like that I can't wait to see it. Reminds me of some of my old stuff and one of my Poser pueces did a few years ago done for the Signature Erotic Art Competition and currently up on their site: 

 

One of the many and growing internet, brick-and-mortar and printed page venues trying to legitimize erotica as a viable art form.

 

where do you post your Poser images?

o.0  ? what type of site is it? Is it a gallery site or a social site?

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Quote - > Quote - > Quote - oh yeah I love Corben and Manara and that ilk, really very informative to my art early on... Am still a great admirer of their work. As far as myself being a professional, I've managed to sell quite a bit of my ceramic sculpture through the gallery venue and have worked professionally as a production artist(?) for Heath Ceramics in the bay area.

I'm actually putting together a weebly site of my work but have kind of stalled out on uploading any thing more recent than my work up to 10 years ago, If you want to check it out it's here... 

Hesitant to show people this site because I have yet to upload the work that I am most proud of (in particular my later sculpture and vessel work), in other words it's a WIP and should be considered such. At this point there's only 18 images there and I have about 20 or so more to add, not including my more recent obsession with Poser and 3d. Warning, my early work has a tendency to be a bit, ummm, abject or "biologically bizarre" I guess.

"I really wish I had never stopped photographing and drawing/painting. Damn Poser killed all that for me and having lost it in the past 20 years I just can't seem to find the MUSE for those methods of art creation (which is why I can no longer call what I do ART or myself an Artist).   :("

I can understand this, most Poser art I'm frankly sceptical of... My own included. That's why I spend most of my time trying to improve my modeling and other related cg skills. Making Poser imagery is fun but I think the creative meat and potatoes of it is self made content. Perhaps something to consider? Have to admit that CG is a very unintuative medium, there's a lot of tech involved and to learn before any artistic talent can begin to shine through. And the aging thing does have a way of softening the drive, whatever those motivations may be, to be agressively productive.

 

Some nice works. I can see the time reference of the works. In fact the excerpt from FILTH Magazine looks quite familiar and I can't help feeling I either still have the magazine or the piece gutted from it. Due to Purple Haze and Afgani Black and SinSema and Pink Floyd and Iron Butterfly and the likes, Salubrious washed down with dark beer and Jack along with the lousy taste of morning after tobacco mouth, I have no freaking memory cells for important stuff like my name and the names of others, money, sequences, numbers and anything and everything TECH. Sucks. Feel what its like to be in a COMA. But pictures, the food of life for my entire life, I rarely forget.

 

I relate to your problem with organizing and posting older works or even newer works. I bought a good scanner and was going to scan, scan, scan all my old photogrphy and drawings to a web site but for some reason after the fisrt few 20 or so old photos, never got it done. Too tedious and if it is tedious and no fun it don't get done. My mind (lessness) wanders and I am onto something else even as meaningless as spinning more Poser morph dials!  LOL

 

I did love your porcelain Cerial bowl too. Great. If the new stuff or most of the old stuff is like that I can't wait to see it. Reminds me of some of my old stuff and one of my Poser pueces did a few years ago done for the Signature Erotic Art Competition and currently up on their site: 

 

One of the many and growing internet, brick-and-mortar and printed page venues trying to legitimize erotica as a viable art form.

 

where do you post your Poser images?

o.0  ? what type of site is it? Is it a gallery site or a social site?

 

Its a legitimate international erotic art site who have sponsored countless erotic art contests, international exhibitions and printed many erotic art books. Pretty Chi Chi from what I have read. Unfortunately none of my offerings were ever printed or included in the international traveling show.

"where do you post your Poser imagery"

I don't, for various reasons. Don't care for DeviantArt's TOS, don't like the scale and content limitations at other sites. Don't like crowds, don't like thoughtless pats on the back. Also just the whole shoe-horning default aesthetic brought about by the very act of using Poser to attempt making art is something I'm trying to come to terms with. All reasons why I've started building .. well that and to show snooty tech-heads that I really don't need the make-art button. I just despise guru's obviously and obliviously looking down their noses at my fledgling efforts and questions when honestly many couldn't draw a decent stick figure. Just my own ego and socially maladaptive neurosis I guess.

Going to sign up to eroticsignature to see what's going on, I think that other than DLSite, Renderotica, and DrunkDuck I'm not really a member of many sites of that kind.  looks interesting, too.

Quote - "where do you post your Poser imagery"

I don't, for various reasons. Don't care for DeviantArt's TOS, don't like the scale and content limitations at other sites. Don't like crowds, don't like thoughtless pats on the back. Also just the whole shoe-horning default aesthetic brought about by the very act of using Poser to attempt making art is something I'm trying to come to terms with. All reasons why I've started building .. well that and to show snooty tech-heads that I really don't need the make-art button. I just despise guru's obviously and obliviously looking down their noses at my fledgling efforts and questions when honestly many couldn't draw a decent stick figure. Just my own ego and socially maladaptive neurosis I guess.

Going to sign up to eroticsignature to see what's going on, I think that other than DLSite, Renderotica, and DrunkDuck I'm not really a member of many sites of that kind.  looks interesting, too.

 

 

Don't bother the page is unavailable. If you got it at Erotic Signature it is probably old now and no longer valid. Sucks when web site managers dn't keep up with hot links, offerings and other items posted on their sites and it sucks when people leave and don't clean up their e-detritis before they drift away into the ether but that is the net, hooked forever and with empty pockets to boot!  :(

 

Dude you seem worse than me with regards to Poser F-art! It may not be art by our definitions and compared to where we've been with art but it atill gets me to create something. I'd be curious what you got to spank me for looking at my Poser F-art on the various sites posted. Care to give me a critique?  Oh God I think I am asking for trouble here!!!!   LOLOL

Sure, running late for work. But I'll give you my input and perhaps post some of my meager Poser imagery(perhaps) when I get home tonight. :) talk to you in the wee hours.

Quote - "where do you post your Poser imagery"

I don't, for various reasons. Don't care for DeviantArt's TOS, don't like the scale and content limitations at other sites. Don't like crowds, don't like thoughtless pats on the back. Also just the whole shoe-horning default aesthetic brought about by the very act of using Poser to attempt making art is something I'm trying to come to terms with. All reasons why I've started building.. well that and to show snooty tech-heads that I really don't need the make-art button. I just despise guru's obviously and obliviously looking down their noses at my fledgling efforts and questions when honestly many couldn't draw a decent stick figure. Just my own ego and socially maladaptive neurosis I guess.

Going to sign up to eroticsignature to see what's going on, I think that other than DLSite, Renderotica, and DrunkDuck I'm not really a member of many sites of that kind.  looks interesting, too.

Oh I am now registered with eroticsignature and registering with artofdarkness.

YAY a playground to be freeee innnnnnnn!!skips off happily

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It's unfortunate the way Lali's Bits was marketed; it's not simply a gentital figure, but is actually an excellent system for correcting many of the bending issues of V4's hip, arms and legs.  It would have been far better, rather than having it ghettoized (in some folks minds) at R'otica, to instead sell "The Lali System" of the the correction morphs here, and have the "Bits" as a $7.50 add on at the other place.

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Quote - It's unfortunate the way Lali's Bits was marketed; it's not simply a gentital figure, but is actually an excellent system for correcting many of the bending issues of V4's hip, arms and legs.  It would have been far better, rather than having it ghettoized (in some folks minds) at R'otica, to instead sell "The Lali System" of the the correction morphs here, and have the "Bits" as a $7.50 add on at the other place.

 

Kudos on an intelligent response from someone who may have actually gotten Lali' Bits to work. If you saw what happend to my test renders bits or no bits it was horrible. The mesh exploded after the figure was saved and reopened. Looked lke alien belly burster erupted from...well I won;t tell you where. While I was working on it it was all great. It didn't like saving, closing and reopening. Still waiting from my man at Erogenesis to tell me what needs to be done to fix it. But marketing is all important for any product sold, Poser or otherwise. If someone in the know with enough working experience with the product beyond what it was originally used for (his own erotic comic art),could mention it,  there could be a larger market share out there form him to tap into.

"the download doesnt work. shame...I need a good vagina"

I hear the surgeons are doing wonders these days :-) . The Karina prop is good, Arduino has some nice work. If you go back to V2, Traveler's prop was perhaps the first decent one though a challenge to texture match. AdamThwaites has simething called Anatomically Correct IIRC. Haven't delved into that area in years as my toons don't need enhancement. My Vickies used to be ready to rock though. Unfortunately, none of the bolt-ons will replace a properly constructed figure. For the most part only some of the Japanese makers have addressed that. IIRC Dina V did but it was more symbolic. Even the best examples are pretty unrealistic. If you wanted to do even a semi-accurate 3rd world medical clinic illustration, you'd probably have to go to Zygote/3D Science and pay more than a night with a high end courtesan - maybe not even mid-range Elliot Spitzer model. * *

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Poseidentech's Misty V4 is still the most easy to use and versatile of the lot I'd say... Misty's all morphs (and alot of them) so the results aren't quite as "distended" as those of a prop. Of course Misty also doesn't have all the fixes and other internal hijinx that Lali does, plus she is pricey ($35). One thing I will say about misty is that Poseidentech certainly poured many hours into pushing the polys around (A+ for that sort of thing).

If you visit Poseidentech's site (just search the name, not going to link for TOS reasons) and look at Misty make sure to check out the Morph Video promo for some profoundly disturbing Poser animation of Misty's assets(?)... Wince.

This thread has prodded me into experimenting some more with Lali as a diversion, so far I've got a morphs++ and custom morph targets character set up with her without a hitch. Need to adjust the prop and it's specific morphs a little and do some texture editing... I have off tommorow so I'll work a little more with Lali as a break from my current project and do some rendering. I'll post the (artistic nude) results and commentary here in a couple days I imagine...

Oh, and shante... I'll be back a little later to give you my thoughts on your images (off to look more critically now).

Well I signed up at erotic signature and had a gander at your imagery there, shante. Also many of the images you have here. You're obviously quite comfortable with using Poser to create your work, despite what you may say. Overall I'd say that you seem to put some emphasis on palpable atmosphere and light in your images, which is a good thing. Additionally you seem to populate your settings with a good usage of props and your posing and composition is pretty good too. Texture choice for your scenes looks good also.

I think though that perhaps you are using an older version of Poser so the results show in the renders. There is a real old school Poser look to your efforts, which for me personally isn't necessarily a bad thing, but perhaps a little jarring if you've gotten used to the look of IDL, complex skin set ups, and other more contemporary Poser tropes. Also your use of Poser legacy figures rather than more recent figures lends a peculiar quality that is compounded by the render style. There is definitely a feeling of uncertainty about when these works were created. I'm undecided as to whether this is a detraction from your images or if it's simply a stylistic device that I'm unaccustomed to seeing lately. I think It would be less successful if v4 were rendered in such a way simply because of all that has come since. It's like the images are caught between being decisive about style simply due to the style inherent in the technology, if that makes any sense (and more likely arising from my personal concerns about this, and things looking like Poser)...

It's probably contradictory for me to comment succinctly in a positive or negative way as I'm conflicted about realism vs. stylization in Poser and frequently lean more toward the appreciation of non-realist techniques. I feel this is more sympathetic to the limitations of the medium. It's a difficult thing for me to verbalize and really a work in progress in terms of my perception about Poser or CG in general being used to create static imagery, particularly when figures are involved (animation obviously introduces many things that operate on the suspension of disbelief or methods of diversion from the fact that don't happen with a still).

Anyway, in a nutshell (as my thought processes are becoming too circular and blunted right now) my critique is this; It looks like old Poser, but nicely made old Poser... which I can appreciate, unlike many others I'm certain.

Subject matter is a completely different topic, one that I didn't concern myself with when trying to look analytically at your renders. Yeah, it's erotica. No I didn't see any penetration that I can recall so I imagine that in a broad sense it's not pornographic... although I don't define penetration as the definition of porn in a philosophical sense. Comparitively tasteful I guess, subjective. Just glad I didn't see any torture porn or rape themes or any of the other overt abominations that Poser seems to spawn legally. Tentacle porn is bizarrely humorous, ditto with alot of hentai. There's many shades of course, but the graphic depiction of torture is something that I can't understand and consider the deranged fodder of sick fucks... that shit aint art by any stretch.

Quote - "the download doesnt work. shame...I need a good vagina"

I hear the surgeons are doing wonders these days :-) . The Karina prop is good, Arduino has some nice work. If you go back to V2, Traveler's prop was perhaps the first decent one though a challenge to texture match. AdamThwaites has simething called Anatomically Correct IIRC. Haven't delved into that area in years as my toons don't need enhancement. My Vickies used to be ready to rock though. Unfortunately, none of the bolt-ons will replace a properly constructed figure. For the most part only some of the Japanese makers have addressed that. IIRC Dina V did but it was more symbolic. Even the best examples are pretty unrealistic. If you wanted to do even a semi-accurate 3rd world medical clinic illustration, you'd probably have to go to Zygote/3D Science and pay more than a night with a high end courtesan - maybe not even mid-range Elliot Spitzer model. * *

.<! LOL

I hadnt even caught how that sounded

I will have a look at the examples. As I tend to do a high percentage of adult material I wouldnt mind paying a good price for a nice vagina(oh no I keep getting the giggles now everytime I say that)

I have been looking at lilbits, but not sure of it yet.

Though to be honest, they are easy to tweek in post work.

ah poor vicki always needing a helping hand in that area:P

EDIT:OH though you know what would really be helpful? SSS on some of those vaginas.  then again.....not to sure how often I would need light to show through that.......o.0

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Quote - "the download doesnt work. shame...I need a good vagina"

I hear the surgeons are doing wonders these days :-) . The Karina prop is good, Arduino has some nice work. If you go back to V2, Traveler's prop was perhaps the first decent one though a challenge to texture match. AdamThwaites has simething called Anatomically Correct IIRC. Haven't delved into that area in years as my toons don't need enhancement. My Vickies used to be ready to rock though. Unfortunately, none of the bolt-ons will replace a properly constructed figure. For the most part only some of the Japanese makers have addressed that. IIRC Dina V did but it was more symbolic. Even the best examples are pretty unrealistic. If you wanted to do even a semi-accurate 3rd world medical clinic illustration, you'd probably have to go to Zygote/3D Science and pay more than a night with a high end courtesan - maybe not even mid-range Elliot Spitzer model. * *

 

What pisses me off is that DAZ was Zygote..or a part of it....when, recognizing the Poser Community growth and income potential, branched off to concentrate exclusively on Poser and now D/S content creation. Apparently the Poser user base is NOT as small as was hinted at somewhere in this thread, for DAZ to rely so much effort and cost in doing what it does. So, if they create such detailed models to sell at the high end market why do they turn into shrinking violets when it comes to creating or adding somewhat more realistic anatomy functions to their Poser & D/S models?

Quote - Well I signed up at erotic signature and had a gander at your imagery there, shante. Also many of the images you have here. You're obviously quite comfortable with using Poser to create your work, despite what you may say. Overall I'd say that you seem to put some emphasis on palpable atmosphere and light in your images, which is a good thing. Additionally you seem to populate your settings with a good usage of props and your posing and composition is pretty good too. Texture choice for your scenes looks good also.

I think though that perhaps you are using an older version of Poser so the results show in the renders. There is a real old school Poser look to your efforts, which for me personally isn't necessarily a bad thing, but perhaps a little jarring if you've gotten used to the look of IDL, complex skin set ups, and other more contemporary Poser tropes. Also your use of Poser legacy figures rather than more recent figures lends a peculiar quality that is compounded by the render style. There is definitely a feeling of uncertainty about when these works were created. I'm undecided as to whether this is a detraction from your images or if it's simply a stylistic device that I'm unaccustomed to seeing lately. I think It would be less successful if v4 were rendered in such a way simply because of all that has come since. It's like the images are caught between being decisive about style simply due to the style inherent in the technology, if that makes any sense (and more likely arising from my personal concerns about this, and things looking like Poser)...

It's probably contradictory for me to comment succinctly in a positive or negative way as I'm conflicted about realism vs. stylization in Poser and frequently lean more toward the appreciation of non-realist techniques. I feel this is more sympathetic to the limitations of the medium. It's a difficult thing for me to verbalize and really a work in progress in terms of my perception about Poser or CG in general being used to create static imagery, particularly when figures are involved (animation obviously introduces many things that operate on the suspension of disbelief or methods of diversion from the fact that don't happen with a still).

Anyway, in a nutshell (as my thought processes are becoming too circular and blunted right now) my critique is this; It looks like old Poser, but nicely made old Poser... which I can appreciate, unlike many others I'm certain.

Subject matter is a completely different topic, one that I didn't concern myself with when trying to look analytically at your renders. Yeah, it's erotica. No I didn't see any penetration that I can recall so I imagine that in a broad sense it's not pornographic... although I don't define penetration as the definition of porn in a philosophical sense. Comparitively tasteful I guess, subjective. Just glad I didn't see any torture porn or rape themes or any of the other overt abominations that Poser seems to spawn legally. Tentacle porn is bizarrely humorous, ditto with alot of hentai. There's many shades of course, but the graphic depiction of torture is something that I can't understand and consider the deranged fodder of sick fucks... that shit aint art by any stretch.

 

Hmmm!? Interesting critique. Got lost on some of the commentary but a few things slipped through to me.

First let me say the examples you are probably referring to having seen are indeed older. My newer work is NOT here at Renderosity. I hated posting here for so long when other options opened up to me I stopped. The TOS limitations, having to create a seperate thumb, etc.

I post newer work at:

DeviantArt...if not too erotic....more of my fantasy than erotic work is posted there

Renderotica....if no bestie or loli is involved...the site otherwise is VERY boring of late so I don't go there too much anymore

HentaiFoundry (though they are a grande pain in the creative A-holio to get past their stupid review methodology for posted images, frustrated,  i stopped posting there too) are the best repositiory of cool erotica specially in the Xeno, futta and hentai realms

EroticSignature images are at least for the most part created in P4 so, yes older and smacking of the P4 render engine simplicity. But I do think despite that huge deficiency, and despite being technically challenged in hardware and software and saavy of the more intricate functions of Poser back then, I did manage to pull off some interesting images.

 

Rape and torture sicken my. I prefer the imager in that genre to seem more consensual/contractual  than forced or if not, less violent and just mostly controlling. I have had real relationships where that was the case so the notion migrates into my work the same way. Even the tentacle stuff is more something that has gone past dread and pain and forced to."..hmm...I liked that! I think I will go and get me some more!"...jaded kinda stuff. Realistically that would never happen but where does it say erotica has to work realistically.

 

Realism in the render....I always wished I could create the Poser stuff to look more like my photography, afterall it is used to sublimate the ideas I had for photographs when I started and even now tries to accomplish this. I will never be technically saavy enough to accomplish that and have pretty much come to accept that. I just can't get past the learning curves to learn other 3D apps that will allow me to do that...so I accept the limitations and do the best I can.

This is all why I hesitate to call any of it ART!   ;)

"Rape and torture sicken my. I prefer the imager in that genre to seem more consensual/contractual  than forced or if not, less violent and just mostly controlling. I have had real relationships where that was the case so the notion migrates into my work the same way. Even the tentacle stuff is more something that has gone past dread and pain and forced to."..hmm...I liked that! I think I will go and get me some more!"...jaded kinda stuff. Realistically that would never happen but where does it say erotica has to work realistically."

I'm of a sympathetic opinion as I've had similar life experiences and relations that have informed some of my gender role/signifying or fetishistic images. You've also mentioned your past use of drugs which is also a path that I spent a great deal of time and energy traveling down. Now I just stick with the weed and a very occasional adderall or dexie, and not even so much with the weed anymore, quit drinking outright. Seems we have some things in common, which is refreshing to find amongst new strangers. I guess I'm about 10 years younger though... a lot of crap can happen in 10 years as the train of time hurtles down the tunnel.

Another peculiar similarity is your image titled "black snake cock" or something, can't recall exactly... Anyway, I did this sketch many years ago and I was thinking of re-doing it with cg, when it appears on my site in the future and if you happen to see it I just wanted to point it out in case you thought that I had bit off your idea. Truly hard to be original anymore, I guess?!

"Realism in the render....I always wished I could create the Poser stuff to look more like my photography, afterall it is used to sublimate the ideas I had for photographs when I started and even now tries to accomplish this. I will never be technically saavy enough to accomplish that and have pretty much come to accept that. I just can't get past the learning curves to learn other 3D apps that will allow me to do that...so I accept the limitations and do the best I can."

As you might have gathered, conscious attempts at photo-realism (or whatever the best term may be) in art isn't a big concern with me... there has to be a layer of style that lends an additional meaning, or the artist's hand. Again a problematic topic in relation to cg. I will say that I'm a fanatic for obsessive detail, but not so concerned with actuality(?).

Ok. Back to my Lali permutation...

"So, if they create such detailed models to sell at the high end market why do they turn into shrinking violets when it comes to creating or adding somewhat more realistic anatomy functions to their Poser & D/S models?"

IIRC, and this was at best second hand and years ago at that, the rationale was that such accoutrements had were unnecesary for 'artistic' work. Mike needs his schlang to avoid looking gelded but Vickie can get by with a chaste crease at most. Feminists can either recoil or rejoice depending on their perspective. There's the school market rationale but if nipples and nuts can be optional, I reckon lady 'bits' could be as well.

I know that you guys know that after they've burned the snuff purveyors, they're hardly going to mint medals for orifices being stuffed with tentacles and assorted unrecognizable offal, no matter the owner's apparent consent. It's fine to have standards and principles - indeed I am strongly in favor, it's just going to be a bit ironic sometimes when viewed from outside. Not a criticism, just an observation.

The entire DiD genre is a fascinating meme. From moustache twirling villians in the 20s,  to aliens menacing space maidens on the covers of sci-pulps of the 50s, and the perhaps inevitable progression to Erin Moran's creepy worm encounter in Galaxy of Terror. Somewhere, things went off the rails. Never seen any of the SAW franchise and after a few minutes initial blood splashing foray into the 'New' Hawaii Five O, it seems even network television is a bit too much for my tastes these days. The Japanese have managed (in some cases) to retain a bit of artistic style. Perhaps their lesser degree of illogical avoidance and attempts to deny or obfuscate the underlying sexuality the meme is based on allow them to concentrate more on eros and less on thanatos.  

 

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Quote - "So, if they create such detailed models to sell at the high end market why do they turn into shrinking violets when it comes to creating or adding somewhat more realistic anatomy functions to their Poser & D/S models?"

IIRC, and this was at best second hand and years ago at that, the rationale was that such accoutrements had were unnecesary for 'artistic' work. Mike needs his schlang to avoid looking gelded but Vickie can get by with a chaste crease at most. Feminists can either recoil or rejoice depending on their perspective. There's the school market rationale but if nipples and nuts can be optional, I reckon lady 'bits' could be as well.

I know that you guys know that after they've burned the snuff purveyors, they're hardly going to mint medals for orifices being stuffed with tentacles and assorted unrecognizable offal, no matter the owner's apparent consent. It's fine to have standards and principles - indeed I am strongly in favor, it's just going to be a bit ironic sometimes when viewed from outside. Not a criticism, just an observation.

The entire DiD genre is a fascinating meme. From moustache twirling villians in the 20s,  to aliens menacing space maidens on the covers of sci-pulps of the 50s, and the perhaps inevitable progression to Erin Moran's creepy worm encounter in Galaxy of Terror. Somewhere, things went off the rails. Never seen any of the SAW franchise and after a few minutes initial blood splashing foray into the 'New' Hawaii Five O, it seems even network television is a bit too much for my tastes these days. The Japanese have managed (in some cases) to retain a bit of artistic style. Perhaps their lesser degree of illogical avoidance and attempts to deny or obfuscate the underlying sexuality the meme is based on allow them to concentrate more on eros and less on thanatos.  

 

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speaking from an "artistic" point of view(and not an "erotic artist point of view") a figure that is physically accurate IS part of the artistic process. even doing the most chaste scene of a nude lounging on a sun bed....its un-nerving to see them "barbie doll'ed".

they have created the ability to meld figures to genesis(god right now at 3am I cant remember the correct name for the process) yet poor vicki 4 is left lacking.

Generally speaking, adults are using these models. Yes there is a very broad spectrum of moral views on the matter. But the fact remains, they are selling a human female form.  Its kind of an "of course" she should have all that a normal female human has.  That is why its kind of a soar point that she doesnt and we are left digging around to find an adequate "fill in".

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Hmm, From my point of view when using Poser I haven't really found much call for elaborately modeled genitalia on any of the female figures, there's already so many themes to explore. I actually collect this stuff because it's weird. Of course if I ever needed a split wet beaver (thanks mr. vonnegut!) I'd just rummage through my creaking toy box and voila. Usually the vestigal vickie crease works fine. Between the karina, Lali, misty, satanica inc., Strideribellum, external modeler and postwork I can't see needing much more in that department. Have to admit that I am working on a creepy crawly figure in this theme, though. Where the hell I'm going to put it after it's done is undecided. Renderotica I guess?

Did you ever manage to get a copy of the She-bot, DarkElegance?

Quote - Hmm, From my point of view when using Poser I haven't really found much call for elaborately modeled genitalia on any of the female figures, there's already so many themes to explore. I actually collect this stuff because it's weird. Of course if I ever needed a split wet beaver (thanks mr. vonnegut!) I'd just rummage through my creaking toy box and voila. Usually the vestigal vickie crease works fine. Between the karina, Lali, misty, satanica inc., Strideribellum, external modeler and postwork I can't see needing much more in that department. Have to admit that I am working on a creepy crawly figure in this theme, though. Where the hell I'm going to put it after it's done is undecided. Renderotica I guess?

Did you ever manage to get a copy of the She-bot, DarkElegance?

Yes yes I did ^.^ he was very nice. I actually got both shebot and hebot.

 

As far as the vaginas go...I think I am going to experiment in sculptris and see how that goes. It will give me a break from my lovely beasts I keep making lol.(pigbeast was born the other night, and now the joke in the house it will be "manbearpig" when its finished. He will go with the devil creature thingy I was working on lol)

 

I hope you post your work that you are working on. I tend to post my more extreme stuff at r'otica...when I post it that is lol.]

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"I hope you post your work that you are working on. I tend to post my more extreme stuff at r'otica...when I post it that is lol.]"

Yeah, that's the whole problem with this stuff... It's not enough just to enjoy the process, then you have trundle out your wares for onlookers to gawk at. I wonder if there have been any Henry Darger's of CG discovered yet? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Darger

...The medium has a lot of catching up to do, still haven't heard of any "Geniuses" of 3D art.

BTW, DarkElegance... I've looked at your Poser work, pretty damned slick. That "Sewer Queen' image really stood out to me for some reason.

I do erotica. No excuses no guilt. I have been doing it for a very long time.

I just want the tools I need to continue until I either hate doing it or die. Good riddance on both solutions. When I was a photographer I did fine art nudes, erotica and fetish imagery using real models with all their Bits! When I couldn't do that any more for whatever stupid reasons I am tired of getting into, Poser took over as a way to sublimate my muses' calling. An awful compromise but it helped the migration from my muse. When I was dong pen and ink, sculpture and air brush, I did imagery of the same ilk with female and male figures Bits integrale. When I got into Poser I stopped drawing, sculpting and airbrushing and as much as I missed it, Poser became my bridge to my muse again.

So I don't think its too much to expect the Poser figures I use to have all their Bits and working the way I might need them to visually do for my imaging especially sinc I can not wrap my old head around creating my own Realistic figures or bits or anything else 3D.

I am getting tired of all this damn injection and stuff. It would just be good to have it built right from the box so if you need it you can have it.  But if you don't you can dress them up like the Barbie Dolls and create guilt free squeaky clean vanilla "ART" with and without poke-through. I just think we should all have the creative option to do what we want to do. It costs no more to include the bits than to exclude them and it sure would make it all easier for everyone.

End of story.

Quote - "I hope you post your work that you are working on. I tend to post my more extreme stuff at r'otica...when I post it that is lol.]"

Yeah, that's the whole problem with this stuff... It's not enough just to enjoy the process, then you have trundle out your wares for onlookers to gawk at. I wonder if there have been any Henry Darger's of CG discovered yet? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Darger

...The medium has a lot of catching up to do, still haven't heard of any "Geniuses" of 3D art.

BTW, DarkElegance... I've looked at your Poser work, pretty damned slick. That "Sewer Queen' image really stood out to me for some reason.

 

No ofense but the whole point of art or pictures is to be seen. if we create it just for our own edification it is just a wrong squandering of whatever creative gifts from God we have. I like hearing that an image touched someone. I like feelng that it goes beyond my own internalization and self indulgant preocupation. And I especially like it when publishers or galleries or people who like my shit want to pay me to see it and show other people. The artistic motivation is as it has always been to get the love of women, the respect of our peers and to impress the consumers of art enough to make a decent living with what we do. What is wrong with that?

"if we create it just for our own edification it is just a wrong squandering of whatever creative gifts from God we have"

Answer: I'm a Satanist.

"The artistic motivation is as it has always been to get the love of women, the respect of our peers and to impress the consumers of art enough to make a decent living with what we do. What is wrong with that?"

Answer: nothing, also... tell that to Van Gogh.

:)

Quote - "I hope you post your work that you are working on. I tend to post my more extreme stuff at r'otica...when I post it that is lol.]"

Yeah, that's the whole problem with this stuff... It's not enough just to enjoy the process, then you have trundle out your wares for onlookers to gawk at. I wonder if there have been any Henry Darger's of CG discovered yet? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Darger

...The medium has a lot of catching up to do, still haven't heard of any "Geniuses" of 3D art.

BTW, DarkElegance... I've looked at your Poser work, pretty damned slick. That "Sewer Queen' image really stood out to me for some reason.

Thank you.

it seems that the new "roxie" in pp2014 is "detailed" in the aspect we have been discussing.

you can read it here in this thread http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2867255&page=7#message_4066106

She looks nice as well. though something odd about her mouth. But that can be tweeked out.

If she is as detailed as they say....Poor vicki may take a backseat.

 

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Commission Closed till 2025

Quote - > Quote - "I hope you post your work that you are working on. I tend to post my more extreme stuff at r'otica...when I post it that is lol.]"

Yeah, that's the whole problem with this stuff... It's not enough just to enjoy the process, then you have trundle out your wares for onlookers to gawk at. I wonder if there have been any Henry Darger's of CG discovered yet? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Darger

...The medium has a lot of catching up to do, still haven't heard of any "Geniuses" of 3D art.

BTW, DarkElegance... I've looked at your Poser work, pretty damned slick. That "Sewer Queen' image really stood out to me for some reason.

 

No ofense but the whole point of art or pictures is to be seen. if we create it just for our own edification it is just a wrong squandering of whatever creative gifts from God we have. I like hearing that an image touched someone. I like feelng that it goes beyond my own internalization and self indulgant preocupation. And I especially like it when publishers or galleries or people who like my shit want to pay me to see it and show other people. The artistic motivation is as it has always been to get the love of women, the respect of our peers and to impress the consumers of art enough to make a decent living with what we do. What is wrong with that?

my DA accounts are my "I am behaving" accounts. I have had work removed from DA(oddly, no nudity, no contact, two fully clothed figures and the offending item was feet away from them >.<) I test the waters at R'otica. But I do not post some work simply because I have had too much stolen. (At freelancer you can actually see jobs where people are hiring others to remove watermarks) So if something is particularly ....eh.."interesting" or of a quality I want to save purely for print or a client. I dont publish it on the web.

Though with the introduction of Art of Darkness I will get a chance to play abitevil grin

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Commission Closed till 2025

“they have created the ability to meld figures to genesis(god right now at 3am I cant remember the correct name for the process)” Geografting or perhaps in this case, Gynografting ÷)

“speaking from an "artistic" point of view(and not an "erotic artist point of view") a figure that is physically accurate IS part of the artistic process. even doing the most chaste scene of a nude lounging on a sun bed....its un-nerving to see them "barbie doll'ed".

I tend to agree. When every other anatomical feature, including the wisdom teeth is apparently artistically important or at least inoffensive enough to be included. It seems rather obvious, or at least suspiciously convenient, that this fits in with the age old notion that women’s bodies are evil, threatening dangerous etc. and need to be shrouded for the good of society. Revealing the carnal cavern from whence we are all borne (in painful sorrow, as punishment for woman’s original sin) would lead to the destruction of mankind. That’s always been the view among certain groups and it’s trickled down and been maintained forever. At the extreme end, you get grown men who are proud to spit on 9 year old girls (supposedly for turning them on)., when in a moral society, dude you might want to hide the fact that you’re being turned on by 9 year old girls or like pluck your eye out. Vickie’s just slightly more subtle example of the same thinking– IMO. Of course many males are so eager to worship Amazonian, gunslinging, sword wielding Uberwenchen they may as well be wearing “Vickie Made Me Her Bitch” T-shirts, but bring out the V Weapon and that’s dirty pool.

I think that when adults (or children for that matter) are taught thar certain parts of their bodies are taboo and they see them only in a pornographic context, such repression leads to negative consequences. I don’t think you have to be in favor of mass public nudity to find the neutered Vickies and Facebook bans on breastfeeding bizarre at best. I know it’s a radical thought, but maybe, just maybe with a little less such nonsense, we’d have a few less women chained up in basements.

"Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H. L. Mencken

Quote - “they have created the ability to meld figures to genesis(god right now at 3am I cant remember the correct name for the process)” Geografting or perhaps in this case, Gynografting ÷)

“speaking from an "artistic" point of view(and not an "erotic artist point of view") a figure that is physically accurate IS part of the artistic process. even doing the most chaste scene of a nude lounging on a sun bed....its un-nerving to see them "barbie doll'ed".

I tend to agree. When every other anatomical feature, including the wisdom teeth is apparently artistically important or at least inoffensive enough to be included. It seems rather obvious, or at least suspiciously convenient, that this fits in with the age old notion that women’s bodies are evil, threatening dangerous etc. and need to be shrouded for the good of society. Revealing the carnal cavern from whence we are all borne (in painful sorrow, as punishment for woman’s original sin) would lead to the destruction of mankind. That’s always been the view among certain groups and it’s trickled down and been maintained forever. At the extreme end, you get grown men who are proud to spit on 9 year old girls (supposedly for turning them on)., when in a moral society, dude you might want to hide the fact that you’re being turned on by 9 year old girls or like pluck your eye out. Vickie’s just slightly more subtle example of the same thinking– IMO. Of course many males are so eager to worship Amazonian, gunslinging, sword wielding Uberwenchen they may as well be wearing “Vickie Made Me Her Bitch” T-shirts, but bring out the V Weapon and that’s dirty pool.

I think that when adults (or children for that matter) are taught thar certain parts of their bodies are taboo and they see them only in a pornographic context, such repression leads to negative consequences. I don’t think you have to be in favor of mass public nudity to find the neutered Vickies and Facebook bans on breastfeeding bizarre at best. I know it’s a radical thought, but maybe, just maybe with a little less such nonsense, we’d have a few less women chained up in basements.

well I find it almost funny. Vicki doesnt come with her vagina...but mike comes with his penis. I do not need to have vickis wisdom teeth...But I do need her to actually look like an un-mutilating female.

It is abit of an odd message that you get from it all. THAT and when you get vicki "out of the box" she has to have this purple bathing suite on. Why??

I know its going to be said due to not wishing to offend some. But again, I go to the fact that those normally using these models are adults. Even if you are not using them in an erotic manner, surely it is not that offensive for her to actually be naked(as we all are) before getting clothed?

Though as noted in my previous post...seems this new Poser figure "Roxie" is -detailed-

I look forward to seeing what she has(not in a vulgar way mind you)

OH and yes it was geografting. Thank you^.^

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Quote - Kudos on an intelligent response from someone who may have actually gotten Lali' Bits to work. If you saw what happend to my test renders bits or no bits it was horrible. The mesh exploded after the figure was saved and reopened. Looked lke alien belly burster erupted from..

Not sure what I could tell you about that that would be helpful, Shante. :sad:  I have had few issues with it in PP 2012.  The only advice I would give is to set the Sexy Chick Preset in the body to zero as it changes a lot of things...

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I'm unsure if new poser does this or not, but I remember older poser versions used to save erc as morphs when a figure with erc was resaved to the library and would cause the problem you are suggesting about the figure exploding when reloaded.

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Forgot about Purple Passion. I've never installed Mike 4, don't know if he has corresponding trunks. IIRC, V3 and the other girls were naked and V4 is no more detailed than they were by default AFAIK. They could have at least made it an attractive paint on job. Maybe someone lost a bet. Or maybe she just got wet in a cheap, suit and it stained her skin. * *

"Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H. L. Mencken

Just curious, has there ever been a Poser female modelled with an actual uterus?

Or morphs that attempt to simulate what happens during childbirth?

Personally, I'm thinking of the medical illustration angle, of course ;)

"Purple passion"... LMAO! Is that the nickname for Vicki 4's default bikini texture?? :-D

Agree with WandW about that Sexy chick preset on Lali... first thing I disabled (just used D3D's Reset values script to put translations/rotations/morphs/parameters at zero values) after that I've loaded all kinds of package and target morphs on lali and haven't had any problems. The character work is saved in a .PZ3 with use external off in prefs, haven't tried saving this custom character back to the library though. So Far the .PZ3 is 112mb and that's just with Lali/V4 in the scene... I'm gonna go ahead and try saving her back to the library and reloading as a test.

"Personally, I'm thinking of the medical illustration angle, of course ;)"

Yes, because internal organs might be a turn on? Chuckle...

Although Lali does damn near have a uterus.

You know that female figure model that 3Dream released awhile ago? The one that is a derivation or viceversa of Lusitana?... I was pretty amused, while looking at it in wireframe, to discover that it has a modeled anus, vaginal canal, and urethra. A Poser intended model with a urethra is pretty unusual I'd say.

So I went ahead and saved my Lali custom morphed character back to the library, opened a new scene, and loaded the character. No explosions, all (lali's, Daz, community read script, Pmd INJ, and morph target) morphs retained, prop in place. Everything seems OK in Poser 8. Not sure what version shante is using but bwldrd's suggestion might be on to something.

"Purple passion©"... LMAO! Is that the nickname for Vicki 4's default bikini texture?? :-DIt is now. I haven't decided on what royalties to charge. It'll be cheaper than NVIATWAS though.

Z-Woman, has a uterus and fallopian tubes - don't recall about the vagina but certainly no external morphable opening IIRC. The Zygote Female has a vagina. As I said before, you'd have to go 3DScience.com for anything more accurate and I doubt those models are rigged for Poser. The whole reproductive setup may not even be available as part of a full body model - probably little need for illustrative purposes. As for nether orifices, too much fodder for wags about not needing ah*s on both sides of the keyboard.

One problem with the existing solutions is probably the scaling. The MilBaby isn't a neonate, but one based on the same scale I'm guessing probably couldn't get out of the birth canal without an episiotomy that looked like it was performed by Jack the Ripper. C-Sections are probably going to be required, maybe In Vitro as well.

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Score on for the ladies. Her male counterpart looks like he'd be called a girlie man even guarding the sultan's harem. Appears he might be welcome on the cellblock though - hard to tell.  

 

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Testing out Lali's fixes and poseability... have to say that even without the "bits", which incidently are totally bother free bits so far, the fixes are really excellent. Also no sign of any kind of conflicts with other morphs mixed with the Lali morphs. Excuse the preview render but she's still not ready for a proper render... Plus I need to add a chimp! (just kidding).

just heard from erogenesis or lali's founder and it seems it slipped through the testing stages in poser 7. my luck sucks because it appears lali and her bits are not going to work with poser 7. go figure.

shante, just buy a copy of Poser 8... It averages about $40. Then you'll have IDL too which will have a dramatic effect on your renders (have to admit the render times can be a little tedious occasionally, depending on the settings and what kind of effects you're trying to achieve). I only recently switched from Poser 7 to Poser 8, still do a lot of messing around with the standard firefly render... But, IDL is remarkably easy to use and many times doesn't require more than 1 or 2 lights in the scene for really nice results (no more fiddling with IBL and AO). would love to get Poser 10 but I'm using an older PPC PowerMac (which I really like) so until I can Purchase an Intel Mac (or "shudder" a Windows machine) Poser 8 it is...
_OT Confession, I only been using computers for about 8 years, sporadically, and have only ever owned a Mac... it's what I started with when a graphic designer friend of a former girlfriend gave me a G3 (ominously equipped with photoshop and Poser 3). I eventually smashed the bejesus out of it with some steel toe jump boots during an argument. Fast forward 2 years when yet another artist friend gave me a G4 and I got into Poser 6 and 7. That box was destroyed when I relocated from San Francisco to the east coast. Fast forward 2 more years and I got myself the G5 I'm using now. So I guess you could say I'm in a marginalized computing time warp of sorts... and there's the long and short of my transformation from pastoral cave painter to simulacrum in an obsolete spaceship. :)

Shante, go for it and get Poser 9, if you have an Intel Mac; $35 if you use the coupon code the red button reveals....

http://www.purplus.net/poser9.html

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wow that's the cheapest price i've seen yet for p9. is it legit new supported software or am i going to get hassles after buying it? the cheapest i've seen has been $95 or so.

im just curious how poser 9 and 10 will utilize memory and render power better on my i7 macbook pro compared to poser 7? will they work nice with older daz figures and props (i get weird noise effects rendering older content for p4 in the new lighting/render engine in p7 for instance with back facing polygons  or making them invisible to some of the p7 more advanced lighting render stuff) is that going to get worse with all these iirc and such in versions 9 and 10?

Quote - shante, just buy a copy of Poser 8... It averages about $40. Then you'll have IDL too which will have a dramatic effect on your renders (have to admit the render times can be a little tedious occasionally, depending on the settings and what kind of effects you're trying to achieve). I only recently switched from Poser 7 to Poser 8, still do a lot of messing around with the standard firefly render... But, IDL is remarkably easy to use and many times doesn't require more than 1 or 2 lights in the scene for really nice results (no more fiddling with IBL and AO). would love to get Poser 10 but I'm using an older PPC PowerMac (which I really like) so until I can Purchase an Intel Mac (or "shudder" a Windows machine) Poser 8 it is...
_OT Confession, I only been using computers for about 8 years, sporadically, and have only ever owned a Mac... it's what I started with when a graphic designer friend of a former girlfriend gave me a G3 (ominously equipped with photoshop and Poser 3). I eventually smashed the bejesus out of it with some steel toe jump boots during an argument. Fast forward 2 years when yet another artist friend gave me a G4 and I got into Poser 6 and 7. That box was destroyed when I relocated from San Francisco to the east coast. Fast forward 2 more years and I got myself the G5 I'm using now. So I guess you could say I'm in a marginalized computing time warp of sorts... and there's the long and short of my transformation from pastoral cave painter to simulacrum in an obsolete spaceship. :)

idl iirc firefly and all that stuff confuses the shakta out of me. just want to set my lights up like i did in the studio in the real world and take the damn picture. i usde to be great at lighting if i had to get hired to light a virtual poser set now i would freaking starve.

Quote - Testing out Lali's fixes and poseability... have to say that even without the "bits", which incidently are totally bother free bits so far, the fixes are really excellent. Also no sign of any kind of conflicts with other morphs mixed with the Lali morphs. Excuse the preview render but she's still not ready for a proper render... Plus I need to add a chimp! (just kidding).

she already has a little monkey doesn't she?  lol

sorry couldn't help it. pain meds just kicked in and am typing today with one hand laying on my side like a lazy roman.

Quote - wow that's the cheapest price i've seen yet for p9. is it legit new supported software or am i going to get hassles after buying it? the cheapest i've seen has been $95 or so.

Yes, they are a legitimate closeout type site.  For comparison, Amazon has Poser 9 for $49.48

http://www.amazon.com/Smith-Micro-Software-Inc-PSR9HDVD/dp/B005LXIJ7M/ref=dp_ob_title_sw

 

If that's too dear, Amazon also has Poser 8 for $22.95 but I think Poser 9 is certainly worth the extra few $$...

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Agree with WandW. Even if you don't use IDL with Poser 9 you can take advantage of SSS if you choose and I'm certain you would like the improvements to poseability that weight mapped figures brings...

Edit_ Caveat Emptor, Poser 8 and above no longer have the P4 renderer.

not concerned about the p4 render engine pwr se but still use some of the p4 figures for filler or background. if i don't use weight mapped figures will the older stuff still work?

will the two versions work efficiently on my macbook pro running os 10.6.8 in 32 or 64 bit?

so damn confusing! and why should i care about any of these.

IDL?  SSS?  iirc?  ibl?  ado?

firefly i guess i already use in the p7 render engine and i know it to be much better than what p4 i used. remember never went throguh allt hose other versions of poser. from p4 to p7 was drasticand i still have no idea what half or more of the p7 stuff is. so going to p9 or p10 gives me the chills. you know, the chills that plague old, brain dead technophobes!

 

 

IDL is legitimate global illumination with accurate occlusion effects, things that were faked prior with a lot of tedious adjusting. Highly realistic. SSS emulates how light is absorbed and scattered by various substances, it's possible to create very realistic renders of various materials. Skin, wax, anything that is (semi)translucent. It's not that difficult to get a handle on these things with a some reading and testing, there's also many tutorials and discussions, documentation, scripts and freebies relating to such that makes the implementation of these advances easier. Snarlygribbly's EZSkin (free), Bagginsbill's EnvironmentSphere (free). All of these are pretty much standard operating procedure in Poser now. It's the nature of the beast in this medium to have to digest copious amounts of tech info in order to best serve your vision; Once you have this knowledge at your disposal you'll be able to readily manifest your ideas in a more intuitive way.

_Don't see why most Poser legacy content wouldn't work in current versions of Poser. If it worked in Poser 7, should work in Poser 9. There are exceptions and differences of course depending on what kind of content you're talking about, scripts in particular. Things like props and figures... Totally compatible. Many times you'll just find that more recent developments have made older content obsolete, sub-par or in need of an overhaul.

Quote - IDL is legitimate global illumination with accurate occlusion effects, things that were faked prior with a lot of tedious adjusting. Highly realistic. SSS emulates how light is absorbed and scattered by various substances, it's possible to create very realistic renders of various materials. Skin, wax, anything that is (semi)translucent. It's not that difficult to get a handle on these things with a some reading and testing, there's also many tutorials and discussions, documentation, scripts and freebies relating to such that makes the implementation of these advances easier. Snarlygribbly's EZSkin (free), Bagginsbill's EnvironmentSphere (free). All of these are pretty much standard operating procedure in Poser now. It's the nature of the beast in this medium to have to digest copious amounts of tech info in order to best serve your vision; Once you have this knowledge at your disposal you'll be able to readily manifest your ideas in a more intuitive way.

I understand about the need to absorb the tech to feed better the intuitive, (which when you consider it is actually a counter-intuitive formula). The problem is the difficulty I have absorbing.....everything of late. All the poop I have been through the last three years (3 family deaths, loss of work in my field and no hope in sight of getting back on track, increasingly weaker back and body as a result of it, encroaching age and all it brings to the table, no health insurance, depression.....and....blah..blah...blah.....

Poser is in place to help sooth me but the drugs I need to take along with all that has transpired of late, make absorption more and more difficult. I used to be able to read    1 to 2 books a week. I have 3 books started and have had them so for the past 6 months and can't seem to complete them due to lack of concentration and remembering who is whom and doing what where, etc.

If it isn't simply simple I flounder. I bought the Perfect V4 series of injections from Meipe and had so much difficulty figuring it all out I begged him/her to help and they sent me a complete .Cr2 to add the injections to to avoid having to go to python scripting and/or all the other prep work needed to get to the injection point.

Nothing is easy for me anymore friend so now maybe you can understand my concern to jump into the next Poser iteration and all I will need to learn to use it. Cloth room, Hair room, using and creating magnets, etc. all black magic  after reading and studying and asking for help, since the beginning of my work in Poser (V.4 to be exact), I still don't get it.   :(

Quote - _Don't see why most Poser legacy content wouldn't work in current versions of Poser. If it worked in Poser 7, should work in Poser 9. There are exceptions and differences of course depending on what kind of content you're talking about, scripts in particular. Things like props and figures... Totally compatible. Many times you'll just find that more recent developments have made older content obsolete, sub-par or in need of an overhaul.

Missed this.

Example is the problem with back facing polygons rendering with strange surface anomolies or other content. Hair for instance that rendered in P4 with its simple engine has to have back facing polygons turned off or made invisible to the P7 Firefly render engine to minimize or eliminate the noise it gets. Sometimes even those measures don't work. Surface spots and strange hash marks on buildings and props are a pain. It gets wore when you need to go back to a .pz3 created in P4 to upgrade the render quality in FireFly and have these strange anomolies in the render in P7. The migration to a better render engine and all the lighting stuff that goes with it is worth it if.....IF...these anomolise can be dealt with. My concern is will I be geting the same problem in newer versions of Poser? I know, you have no way of knowing but that is my concern. I guess I just need to jump in.

What about the rendering strenght of these newer versions? Will I have any problems using them on my Macbook Pro? Are they 32 or 64 bit adddress and is there any reason why I should bother being concerned?

Poser 4 sucked with solid RM use. It was a pig . Poser 7 hasn't been much sweeter. Poser 7 now crashes on me if i try to test render at half resolution (1500 x 1500 @300dpi) more than once without closing Poser and relaunching (I use complex scenes, fully propped and lit at 3000 x 3000 at 300 dpi). It's a real pain in the heinie! Apparently P7 doesn't address all the RAM I have in system (8Gigs). Will that RAM be addressed more effectively using newer versions of Poser (9 or 10)?

Just do what makes you happy man, this shit is supposed to be fun or an escape or a conduit to self expression if that's what you want. I can imagine not being attached to the internet and not having anything other than Poser 5 and gimp and still managing to have so many projects that they would all never get finished. Don't worry so much about the external this and that with this, or the latest and greatest. Just my opinion but it's something I think about a lot also, let's face it CG is artistically confusing. Particularly if you've been used to working strictly from traditional media. The undo button and pre-made content can often times be a real detriment to just getting on with it and making do. I would think the make art button would be a cinch... But it's a challenge coming to terms with the peculiarities of the thing when I've spent my artistic life working without it. Perhaps a pompous or unintentionally egotistical statement but I think that non-artists actually have an easier time with Poser and expressing themselves with it....

...All of these thoughts perhaps require greater clarification and tempering but right now my consciousness is fleeing.

Goodnight.

...mmm, crosspost. Tech questions? ugh, not up to it right now. Need to get some sleep... If WandW doesn't pop in to answer your questions I'll reply sometime tomorrow night. :)

Quote - Missed this. Example is the problem with back facing polygons rendering with strange surface anomolies or other content. Hair for instance that rendered in P4 with its simple engine has to have back facing polygons turned off or made invisible to the P7 Firefly render engine to minimize or eliminate the noise it gets. Sometimes even those measures don't work. Surface spots and strange hash marks on buildings and props are a pain. It gets wore when you need to go back to a .pz3 created in P4 to upgrade the render quality in FireFly and have these strange anomolies in the render in P7. The migration to a better render engine and all the lighting stuff that goes with it is worth it if.....IF...these anomolise can be dealt with. My concern is will I be geting the same problem in newer versions of Poser? I know, you have no way of knowing but that is my concern. I guess I just need to jump in.

 

My guess is these artifacts may be due to using depth mapped shadows.  Poser 8 and above render raytraced shadows much faster than Poser 7.

It will be a long while before Poser 10 is $35, so go for it, Baby... :)

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The Wisdom of bagginsbill:

"Oh - the manual says that? I have never read the manual - this must be why."
“I could buy better software, but then I'd have to be an artist and what's the point of that?"
"The [R'osity Forum Search] 'Default' label should actually say 'Don't Find What I'm Looking For'".
bagginsbill's Free Stuff... https://web.archive.org/web/20201010171535/https://sites.google.com/site/bagginsbill/Home

Quote - > Quote - IDL is legitimate global illumination with accurate occlusion effects, things that were faked prior with a lot of tedious adjusting. Highly realistic. SSS emulates how light is absorbed and scattered by various substances, it's possible to create very realistic renders of various materials. Skin, wax, anything that is (semi)translucent. It's not that difficult to get a handle on these things with a some reading and testing, there's also many tutorials and discussions, documentation, scripts and freebies relating to such that makes the implementation of these advances easier. Snarlygribbly's EZSkin (free), Bagginsbill's EnvironmentSphere (free). All of these are pretty much standard operating procedure in Poser now. It's the nature of the beast in this medium to have to digest copious amounts of tech info in order to best serve your vision; Once you have this knowledge at your disposal you'll be able to readily manifest your ideas in a more intuitive way.

I understand about the need to absorb the tech to feed better the intuitive, (which when you consider it is actually a counter-intuitive formula). The problem is the difficulty I have absorbing.....everything of late. All the poop I have been through the last three years (3 family deaths, loss of work in my field and no hope in sight of getting back on track, increasingly weaker back and body as a result of it, encroaching age and all it brings to the table, no health insurance, depression.....and....blah..blah...blah.....

Poser is in place to help sooth me but the drugs I need to take along with all that has transpired of late, make absorption more and more difficult. I used to be able to read    1 to 2 books a week. I have 3 books started and have had them so for the past 6 months and can't seem to complete them due to lack of concentration and remembering who is whom and doing what where, etc.

If it isn't simply simple I flounder. I bought the Perfect V4 series of injections from Meipe and had so much difficulty figuring it all out I begged him/her to help and they sent me a complete .Cr2 to add the injections to to avoid having to go to python scripting and/or all the other prep work needed to get to the injection point.

Nothing is easy for me anymore friend so now maybe you can understand my concern to jump into the next Poser iteration and all I will need to learn to use it. Cloth room, Hair room, using and creating magnets, etc. all black magic  after reading and studying and asking for help, since the beginning of my work in Poser (V.4 to be exact), I still don't get it.   :(

I am the least techy minded person, trust me. But poser makes the use of IDL etc very user friendly.

its as easy as ticking the "indirect lighting" box.

really its that easy.

Also the ability to ramp up an ambient setting on an object and it becomes a light.  its fantastic.

easy as going into the shader tree and selecting the item, ramping up the ambient setting and POOF. Light.

you can render a scene with no lights using that method.

It is so easy and so well worth the purchase. I have never regreted my upgrade to 2012(other then right after 2014 came out:P )

It does make rendering allllllot easier.

Also LauieA has some amazing materials that use the SSS. I have used one of them for grapes and they came out lovely, with that soft almost inner glow of yellow to them.

with the ezskin python is even easier to get SSS.

it is allot easier to use then the older versions IMHO

https://www.darkelegance.co.uk/

Commission Closed till 2025

Thanks guys you have been great and VEEEEEERY patient.

I'll go buy P9. What is the difference between P9 and 2012 anyway....mostly animation stuff as someone else told me....or more?

DarkEleganc:  Nice slick Pinup work BTW.

Quote - What is the difference between P9 and 2012 anyway....mostly animation stuff as someone else told me....or more?

Mostly weight mapped rigging tools, 64-bit renderer and gamma correction.  Here's a feature comparison...  http://poser.smithmicro.com/comparison.html

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"Oh - the manual says that? I have never read the manual - this must be why."
“I could buy better software, but then I'd have to be an artist and what's the point of that?"
"The [R'osity Forum Search] 'Default' label should actually say 'Don't Find What I'm Looking For'".
bagginsbill's Free Stuff... https://web.archive.org/web/20201010171535/https://sites.google.com/site/bagginsbill/Home

Quote - Thanks guys you have been great and VEEEEEERY patient.

I'll go buy P9. What is the difference between P9 and 2012 anyway....mostly animation stuff as someone else told me....or more?

DarkEleganc:  Nice slick Pinup work BTW.

thank you that is very kind of you >.<

 

though that is my behaving portolio I also have a DA account that is nothing but erotic works. and I have my renderotica account too

https://www.darkelegance.co.uk/

Commission Closed till 2025

Quote - Shante, go for it and get Poser 9, if you have an Intel Mac; $35 if you use the coupon code the red button reveals....

http://www.purplus.net/poser9.html

 

Just ordered it but was a bit pissed. In the set up for the order it said I qualified for free shipping if sent Regular USPS within Continental USA. I tried and tried clicking the option to qualify but they still charged me the shipping fee. After I ordered it too, I found Poser 2012 for $57.00. Now wondering if I should have gotten that. Should have checked before placing the order. My freaking hed just doesn't work any more. Been a whole damn week if this stupidity.

But thanks for the lead. Now I just wait for the product to get delivered.

I was wondering too if the Poser 7 and the Poser 9 can share the same Runtime Folder? Iif so is it difficult to set that up (remember the brain doesn't work well)?

Just add your Poser 7 Runtime to the P9 library as an external runtime...

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The Wisdom of bagginsbill:

"Oh - the manual says that? I have never read the manual - this must be why."
“I could buy better software, but then I'd have to be an artist and what's the point of that?"
"The [R'osity Forum Search] 'Default' label should actually say 'Don't Find What I'm Looking For'".
bagginsbill's Free Stuff... https://web.archive.org/web/20201010171535/https://sites.google.com/site/bagginsbill/Home

Quote - Just add your Poser 7 Runtime to the P9 library as an external runtime...

Always sounds so easy reading it. I went around the block several days with several people here trying to get me through the process of adding a second Runtime to P7 when I got it. I finally just gave up hoping I could read the manual. Never found any info in the damn P7 User Manual either (why are all the versions of Poser shipped with such horribly useless manuals?).

 

In the PP2012 reference manual the instructions are in Chapter 7 under the heading "adding Libraries". The exact instructions are at the end of that section.

I assume that the P9 reference manual has the same section

 

Ok, the rule has long been that links to renderotica or adult, age restricted sites, are not allowed here.  If a site contains anything that wouldn't be allowed in the gallery it can't be linked to as well so I've removed links that should not be a surprise as well as added the language tags that should have been added when either using language or quoting it.  

Any more well known TOS violations and I'll simply lock the thread.

http://www.renderosity.com/tos.php

...... Kendra