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I am about to order - but still hesitate because I am puzzled... I am ordering from Germany and this is the first time I have to pay tax. Usually I do not pay tax for digital good bought from the US. Anyone else wondering where this tax might go???

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I'd love to see some human renders using the new cartoon rendering stuff, if someone gets a chance. And some timing to know if they are faster than regular renders (I would think they would be)

"I am about to order - but still hesitate because I am puzzled... I am ordering from Germany and this is the first time I have to pay tax."

Same here.

$279.99 upgrade should be €217 but it wants to charge €237.28 ????

I've asked the question over at RDNA as well (because it looks as if some officials from SM are around there at the moment) and hope to get an answer.

 

I am even more puzzled about what you have to pay! My Upgrade (PoserPro 2012 to PoserPro 2014) costs 169.48 + 32.20 = 201.68

So if you did not order something else these prices look pretty "random" to me...

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Same problem here, tax makes an upgrade from pro 2012 to pro 2014 cost $284 instead of $199.

it's California sales tax. New tax laws for e-busines here in  the states. if you buy something on-line from a busines in a state that has sales tax then you have to pay the sales tax.

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Leaves the question who is getting the tax?? As far as I know a digital download is the same as a service/right to use something and (other than physical goods) no tax has to be payed as far as you are ordering from outside the US. But I may be wrong here.

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Cross posting - thanks for clarification, ghostship. Do you know who gets the tax?

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my sales tax was only $18 US. not sure why you paid more...shipping maybe? California sales tax is like 9-10 %

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it goes to pay for roads and schools here in california

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I see, California is starving as well (I know what you mean when talking about roads...). Yes, my tax is far higher, as more as the 32.20 are Euros. That's more than 41 $

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So then Smith Micro is one of the only 1.4% e-commerce buisiness who actually collect that sales tax ?

Seems there is no penalty for companys who don't do it.

http://venturebeat.com/2013/04/22/marketplace-fairness-act/

Sorry, but this kind of stuff really doesn't sit well with me.

 

I will follow the discussion for a another while and think I wait with ordering. While I will definitly get Poser 2014 I want to wait until things clear up. Hubby just said a wise thing: If there's something wrong you won't get your money back - because it's tax, and a country will never pay taxes back you payed voluntary.

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I thought the state where the items were "being shipped" is where the taxes were going. So, since I live in Tennessee, when I make purchases it is tennessee state tax that I'm paying, not california, even if it is Amazon, Smith Micro or whomever. So far, when I purchase from Renderosity, I pay 10% extra (they are here in Nashville) :( When I buy from Daz, I don't currently pay tax. Though, I'm technically supposed to. 

That was my impression too. If I order physical goods from the US (a while ago I did) I pay the tax here as long as my order is expensive enough. That means: I do not get my package from the postman but get a notification from the duty office and pick up my goods there by paying the import-tax. I never so far payed something for digital-goods...

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WTF ???

I wanted to bite the bullet and when I tried to pay with PayPal it now wants €45 TAX ON TOP OF THE €237 ????

THATS $363.00 instead of $279.99 to upgrade from poser 8 to PP-2014 ???

Sorry SM, not going to happen.

Well, since it's the first day, then perhaps it's just a glitch. I think the whole internet purchase & tax thing is being pushed really hard due to the state's dwindling resources. 

Hey! It just occurred to me that I have a long weekend this weekend...with a new poser...could be a good thing!

I think that it is a glitch as well. I just tried to fool the site and managed to force the SM-order site to bill me in Dollars. And guess what: I would have payed less tax, had a better exchange rate and would have saved 11 Euros against my first trial.

 

The difference between your and my bill, noxi, may be the sidegrade (yours) versus the upgrade (mine). However: The limit for this strange tax seems to be the sky.

 

I have the strong feeling that there is something wrong. I want the new Poser but not so badly that I can't wait another day or two (or so) until things are sorted out. Better wait than having lots of boohey later when wanting money back. Saves me from pulling out my hair and saves some hairs to the folks at SM as well. But I would be happy if we can go on to discuss this here (in some hours, it's mornung here and I need to have at least some ours of sleep). If someone has new information please share it with us other puzzled folks. The thread at RDNA can be found here:

http://forum.runtimedna.com/showthread.php?78922-A-question-about-tax

I was aked to open a ticket and will do so before I go to bed.

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Quote - I thought the state where the items were "being shipped" is where the taxes were going. So, since I live in Tennessee, when I make purchases it is tennessee state tax that I'm paying, not california, even if it is Amazon, Smith Micro or whomever. So far, when I purchase from Renderosity, I pay 10% extra (they are here in Nashville) :( When I buy from Daz, I don't currently pay tax. Though, I'm technically supposed to. 

This is correct. If you live in California, you pay California tax. If you live in Tennessee, you pay Tennessee's tax ;). Always the politicians with their hands out ;).

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Quote - > Quote - I thought the state where the items were "being shipped" is where the taxes were going. So, since I live in Tennessee, when I make purchases it is tennessee state tax that I'm paying, not california, even if it is Amazon, Smith Micro or whomever. So far, when I purchase from Renderosity, I pay 10% extra (they are here in Nashville) :( When I buy from Daz, I don't currently pay tax. Though, I'm technically supposed to. 

This is correct. If you live in California, you pay California tax. If you live in Tennessee, you pay Tennessee's tax ;). Always the politicians with their hands out ;).

Laurie

 

Policemen do not work for free.

Firemen do not work for free.

Roads don't build themselves.

I could go on, but I hope you get the point that civilization costs money.

I absolutely get the point! But I do not get the point why a german or swedish citizen has to pay more tax as an US citizen... (as more as we do not use the roads over there - that's the reason why everybody pays sale-taxes to his home land).

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Quote - it's California sales tax. New tax laws for e-busines here in  the states. if you buy something on-line from a busines in a state that has sales tax then you have to pay the sales tax.

Except for download items. The California State Borad of Equalization does not require tax for intangible goods.

I actually went to the local office and asked personally.

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Now that's interesting. It's the same law as here (the one that treats digital/dowloadable goods like a right to use something and not like a physical item). The ticket to SM is sent. I was told that people are back in the office in 11 hours - but Tori Porter is still or already online and asked me to sent my question directly to SM. I added the fact that people are paying very different taxes and that changing the currency to Dollars would have saved me some Dollars. Let's hope that things get sorted out soon before a big chaos of refunds or at least complaints raises up.

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Well I paid it a whopping £29.97 which is 20% which is around $45 I guess.  I have noticed this a few times in past form other sites, even for digital downloads, but this is the first time I have paid for a Poser Download by SM. 

I my defence I have had toothache for almost four weeks, no I am not afraid of dentists, well not much, but I had one extracted and it all went painfully wrong.  If that is not enough I have now done my hip in and can only walk a few steps at a time so I am stuck for most the day either in bed or at my computer.  The tax is annoying but nothing compared to my dental bill and I desperately need something to cheer me up.  Finally I am used to paying in pounds what the people in the US pay in dollars and budget accordingly.

Downloading now and hang the expense

 

 

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The download manager seems a nice touch particularly for those with limited download speeds as you are able to select the whole massive download in small chunks.  Still some big chunks mind but I guess you can expect that with something as complex as Poser. 

You can pause the download so if it fails I guess that you can attempt a resume, I say guess, because I am not going to stop it to find out.

 

 

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On my reciept was a link to their W-9 tax form...but no shipping info. hopefully that will be emailed in the morning.

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I am still working with SM, they are very supportive and fast. My full smpathy goes to you, hornet. I know EXACTLY what you are talking about, hubby is in the same situation and I am "looking forward" to a surgery because several things need to be fixed in my jaw.

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I hope you all enjoy it as much as I have been!

I hope Smith Micro makes enough money from Poser to provide free re-downloads without additional charge in the future like the more successful businesses do.

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BTW, no sales tax for my California digital download. God forbid if governments start taxing internet data transactions to fund their grotesque misallocations.

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Quote - I am still working with SM, they are very supportive and fast. My full smpathy goes to you, hornet. I know EXACTLY what you are talking about, hubby is in the same situation and I am "looking forward" to a surgery because several things need to be fixed in my jaw.

I hope all goes well, both with the dentist and SM.  My problem was I had a tooth die (Yep I am that old) and had to have it drilled then, within days I managed to crack the tooth behind it.  We only found that the tooth had cracked after he had drilled the other tooth thinking it had become infected.  The extraction then did not heal but I am also diabetic so I have problems with anything healing anyway.

Back on to better news - I have downloaded the main Poser 2012 and it installed with no problems.  I am now in the middle of downloading the modules so I hope to be doing some serious playing later in the morning.

 

 

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Quote - BTW, no sales tax for my California digital download. God forbid if governments start taxing internet data transactions to fund their grotesque misallocations.

 

I think there is a ruling in the EU that web sites outside the EU collect taxes on their behalf.  In the US some do and some don't.  In the UK we should pay 17.5% but on those sites that do collect the tax 20% appears the norm.  I am not sure what it is in other parts of the EU but years ago when I lived in Sweden it was 27.9%.

I still doubt that the EU gets much, if any of this money. If this is the case I guess it goes into company profits.  In this case if it goes to SM I am not too bothered as I enjoy Poser so much, which is more than I can say for the EU...whoops sorry that is political (slaps wrist hard)

 

 

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I do not want to make guesses who keeps the extra-profit. No, I don't - too many companies are involved (SM, credit card copanies, Firstspring who process the order, Paypal). But why is it possible to fool around with choosing US in the process above and then pay less (US tax, I think)?

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Does anyone know if the Download manager automatically grabs the 64 bit version if your system supports it? I couldn't really find that option inside the manager itself.

It does. You can choose 32 and/or 64 bit during the installation process of Poser Pro 2014. P10 is a 32bit version only.

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Don't worry Meike... even us poor bloody Kiwis way down under have to pay this damn tax... oh and look... it's already available on those sites for free that we aren't allowed to mention. Downloading my expensive legite version now.

I'm being asked 19.4 percent as taxes for the digital download, but the physical product is somehow magically tax-free (and thus almost 20% cheaper than the digital download). Don't know what to say.

Quote - I'm being asked 19.4 percent as taxes for the digital download, but the physical product is somehow magically tax-free (and thus almost 20% cheaper than the digital download). Well ... perhaps later it will appear on Amazon.uk. 

Have you tried switching to US currency in the cart? That seems to make a difference. I have no idea about the taxes itself. I am used to pay VAT, so not really a surprise. For digital downloads it usually depends on the company doing the payment handling. If they have offices in EU they usually (but not always) charge VAT if you are paying from a EU state.

 

Quote - I'm being asked 19.4 percent as taxes for the digital download, but the physical product is somehow magically tax-free (and thus almost 20% cheaper than the digital download). Don't know what to say.

 

If the physical shipment is to the UK you get stung as it comes in to the country as many found out with their Poser 9/ Poser 2012 purchase a few years ago.

 

 

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Quote - > Quote - I'm being asked 19.4 percent as taxes for the digital download, but the physical product is somehow magically tax-free (and thus almost 20% cheaper than the digital download). Don't know what to say.

 

If the physical shipment is to the UK you get stung as it comes in to the country as many found out with their Poser 9/ Poser 2012 purchase a few years ago.

Actually most physical stuff I've bought the last decade or so from Asia/USA slip past customs (like DVDs, miniature gaming stuff etc). If it does not, then there's import duties to be payed - still would be looking at roughly the same sum as I would have to pay for the digital download. Anyways ... I'm not in a hurry to get the new toy so personally I'll just wait some months and weigh my options.

 

Actually most physical stuff I've bought the last decade or so from Asia/USA slip past customs (like DVDs, miniature gaming stuff etc). If it does not, then there's import duties to be payed - still would be looking at roughly the same sum as I would have to pay for the digital download. Anyways ... I'm not in a hurry to get the new toy so personally I'll just wait some months and weigh my options.

 

I take your point and you can be lucky and have such parcels slip through, it is a gamble at the end of the day.  I was just aware that some people in the UK paid a lot more for their physical copy than they would have if they had downloaded.  To some it was a horrible shock.  To people who are aware, like yourself, it is just a question of weighing up the options and comparing that with what you are prepared to pay.  That said last time there was no tax involved so the picture has changed.

 

 

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Quote - > Quote - In the UK we should pay 17.5% but on those sites that do collect the tax 20% appears the norm.

VAT in the UK hasn't been 17.5% for a least well over a year. It went down a bit for a while to encourage people to spend, but then went up to 20%.

I ordered the physical upgrade from 2012 as my broadband tends to timeout with very large files.

Cost me £143.96 a bit more than I was expecting, but there was no tax added. I assume that import duty etc will be added when they deliver it to me.

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Quote - > Quote - > Quote - In the UK we should pay 17.5% but on those sites that do collect the tax 20% appears the norm.

VAT in the UK hasn't been 17.5% for a least well over a year. It went down a bit for a while to encourage people to spend, but then went up to 20%.

I ordered the physical upgrade from 2012 as my broadband tends to timeout with very large files.

Cost me £143.96 a bit more than I was expecting, but there was no tax added. I assume that import duty etc will be added when they deliver it to me.

 

Of course you are right, sorry, I had been up since the early hours as I was in too much pain to sleep.  Looking on the bright side it did allow me to do an early download of the new software.  Other than the brief period you mention I cannot remeber how long it has been 20% but certainly long enough for me to know and I really ought to have my brain in gear before typing.

As I don't know exactly what rate the bank will charge me on a given day I always budget on the cost of any purchase being the same in pounds as it is in dollars.   With software purchases I always expect to pay the Tax, it was just a surprise this morning as I had not done so for Poser before.  If I get away without paying it fine but if not so be it. 

I sometimes wonder how much long Poser content will remain tax free. 

 

 

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Interesting.  I guess I'll hold off for awhile, until they get this sorted.  As I recall, DAZ was incorrectly charging people for downloadable content when they first starting charging tax too.  New York state does not tax downloadable software, for example, but DAZ charged me anyway. 

I'm visiting family and friends this week, and wouldn't have much time for Poser anyway, so it's not too much of a hardship.  ;-)

And speaking of DAZ, their newsletter today offers 50% off Poser content...that you can "use in your new Poser without DSON."  I wish they'd bring back their Poser store, to make it easy to find stuff that doesn't need DSON all the time.

I live in the United States and outside of California.  No sales tax on my upgrade from 2012 to 2014.

From Poser_Stefan over at RDNA:

"It's not FastSpring's job to write or enforce tax laws, but it is their job to follow them.

"For the non-EU supplier whose EU customers are non-business individuals or organisations, there will now be an obligation to charge and account for VAT on these sales just as EU suppliers have to do."

Source:
http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs...1610_en.htm#a1 "

 

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Odd.  I just ordered my physical copy and didn't pay any tax at all. I live in British Columbia . . .

Just last week, I heard that the US Senate passed a bill that requires retailers to charge state sales tax for online sales, but I hadn't heard that it passed the House, nor have I heard that Mr. Obama signed it.  So, perhaps those of you who've been charged tax have probably been charged prematurely? Is it state sales tax, or the EU's VAT you've been charged?

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=181805307

Oh, I just noticed this on my recepit:

"VAT Number : EU826012240"

Perhaps those of you who live in Europe are paying VAT, not California sales tax.

Quote - On my reciept was a link to their W-9 tax form...but no shipping info. hopefully that will be emailed in the morning.

Same here, Invoice in my email with a link to a W-9 form and absolutely no shipping information at all. I have no idea what is happening other than they have my order.

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Quote - Oh, I just noticed this on my recepit:

"VAT Number : EU826012240"

Perhaps those of you who live in Europe are paying VAT, not California sales tax.

 

Same here and putting that number in Google comes up with this

http://www.fastspring.com/features.php

Doesn't look like a mistake to me but then I have no legal background.

 

 

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Question: I'm ugrading from 2012-- do I need to download all the new content installers?

They seem similar in size to the 2012 versions . . .

Quote - From Poser_Stefan over at RDNA:

"It's not FastSpring's job to write or enforce tax laws, but it is their job to follow them.

"For the non-EU supplier whose EU customers are non-business individuals or organisations, there will now be an obligation to charge and account for VAT on these sales just as EU suppliers have to do."

Source:
http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs...1610_en.htm#a1 "

 

TD

 

Ok, you're joking right? That has been in effect 10 years now and suddenly SM discovered it now? I'm not buying it..... no pun intended.

Well they can sort out the tax issue, it makes no sense at all. I'm going lot's of download stuff in the US as well as in the EU and I never pay tax over it, so I'm not going to do so to SM, especially not if they're suddenly going to refer to 10 year old laws.

Hope they sort it out soon.

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Quote - Question: I'm ugrading from 2012-- do I need to download all the new content installers?

They seem similar in size to the 2012 versions . . .

 

Hmm ... thinking out loud here.

If you want Rex and Roxie, you'll need to download the Nude Figures installer.

The new Toons figures (which are fantastic and SOOOOO expressive) are in the PoserCartoons installer.

The Poser Support Files installer contains the Face Room support for all of the supported figures, including Rex and Roxie. Also the Project Guide files are in there as well (I believe).

Some starter clothing for Rex and Roxie will be in the PoserClothing installer.

Remaining from that are Poser Casual and Poser Hair (which includes a couple new hair fits for Rex and Roxie), and these are the smallest of the downloads. Offhand I can't think of anything new in Poser Props, but I'll have to verify that.

At least after reading through some of the Fasttspring stuff I don't have to worry about credit card charging for converting from dollars to sterling. So looks like it will just be shipping, import duty and collection commision to pay.

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Quote - > Quote - > Quote - In the UK we should pay 17.5% but on those sites that do collect the tax 20% appears the norm.

VAT in the UK hasn't been 17.5% for a least well over a year. It went down a bit for a while to encourage people to spend, but then went up to 20%.

I ordered the physical upgrade from 2012 as my broadband tends to timeout with very large files.

Cost me £143.96 a bit more than I was expecting, but there was no tax added. I assume that import duty etc will be added when they deliver it to me.

o.0 I wonder if the tax is added to digital download.....GUH >.< so itching to go buy it right now.....but Not going to till I find out how much tax will be added.

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o.0 I wonder if the tax is added to digital download.....GUH >.< so itching to go buy it right now.....but Not going to till I find out how much tax will be added.

 

Tax is added to the digital download - 20% if you are based in the UK.  Total cost to me was £179.84 including VAT and the Digital Backup Facilty (+£5.91).  About the same as a physical shipment I would guess once you have paid the import charge, unless you are lucky for it to slip through without.  Also not a massive different once my Card Provider did a dollar to pound conversion.

 

 

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Hello people, anyone knowing how to know the price of the shipping for the physical version? Thank you... I think I will wait some days to purchase... waiting to read the notes of my Poser heros and gurus :)

 

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Quote - Hello people, anyone knowing how to know the price of the shipping for the physical version? Thank you... I think I will wait some days to purchase... waiting to read the notes of my Poser heros and gurus :)

 

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It's about $20 US more than the downloadble version. With the exchange rate, I paid $22 more than the download price.

Regarding the VAT again ...

If I'm not all mistaken, I think we non-US ppl payed the taxes, for the digial versions back when PP2012/P9 came out, already (I'm from .de as well). Something about paying VAT rang my bell, while reading through this topic here.

I looked at my paypal payment for PP2012 from back then, and it was exactly $287.49. IIRC, while the regular price was stated at $500 (for the PP2012 version), pre-orders were rewarded with a 50% coupon, so it was "just" $250 after all. But, as said, I was charged with $287.49 , that included a 15% tax (VAT).

So in conclusion I think it's all as it should be, by (tax-) laws at least :P

I just got it and got clobbered the 20% VAT here in the uk too, (29.97) but to be honest ive been dying for this and 29.97 aint gonna stop me lol. 

 

Now I will have to wait for my bank statement to see how much they charge me for the 'non-uk commission fee' on top of that!

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Okay, took the plunge and paid my tax...

It requires your address and will calculate the amount based on the country specified - probably verified against your cc details as well.

However... You are free to choose your currency.

Setting it to UK pounds it calculates as £143.96 + £28.79 VAT = £172.75 total
However, setting the currency to US dollars it calculates as $199 + $40 VAT = $239.99 which, at the current conversion rate, is £158.20

They are using an exchange rate of about 1.38 dollars to the pound when it is currently about 1.52 - I know they probably want to standardise their prices but when was the exchange that low?

I.e. either they are doing something wrong or are applying one heck of a mark up on the exchange rate. Guess which currency I chose to pay in.

Software didn't have any import duties for the EU when I looked a few years ago, just VAT. However on physical goods the shipping companies do like to charge for the onerous task of collecting the VAT (last time I had to pay for something the VAT was less than the handling fee).

Quote - I absolutely get the point! But I do not get the point why a german or swedish citizen has to pay more tax as an US citizen... (as more as we do not use the roads over there - that's the reason why everybody pays sale-taxes to his home land).

 

I wonder is it VAT for European customers? A lot of US companies are charging us VAT, and I don't like the idea because we have no way of knowing if they even pay it over to the EU.

I've held off buying until SM clarify this for us.

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here's what SM wrote to me:

"These taxes are then reported and paid directly to the EU by FastSpring. The invoice we provide to you at purchase completion will include the VAT amount as well as the FastSpring VAT ID. For more information on VAT Taxes, please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_added_tax."

 

So what is charged is Value added tax (Umsatzsteuer/sog. Mehrwertsteuer for german folks) not import tax. Digital goods are still import tax free.

I hope that clears up things a bit.

As Magic_Man said: Choosing the right currency is a legal way to save some bucks. And looking around at Amazon & Co for Poser 9 and PoserPro 2012 helps a bit to forget about the tax when you see what you are charged for old software...

 

Update: Oder is done. I did the following

Choosing US in the upper right corner but filling in my german adress. This way I could pay in Dollar. Paypal offered an exchange rate that saved me in the end more then 11 Dollar. IMHO a nice little plaster on the hole that the VAT teared in my purse.

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Quote - I just got it and got clobbered the 20% VAT here in the uk too, (29.97) but to be honest ive been dying for this and 29.97 aint gonna stop me lol. 

 

Now I will have to wait for my bank statement to see how much they charge me for the 'non-uk commission fee' on top of that!

indeed. I am using my balance in paypal...but its part in pounds sterling part dollars and paypal is a tw*t when it comes to mixing currencies for some odd reason.

 

 

 

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Hmmm.... have to wonder just exactly what value is considered to be added in a digital download that makes it subject to VAT. :rolleyes:

Quote - Hmmm.... have to wonder just exactly what value is considered to be added in a digital download that makes it subject to VAT. :rolleyes:

Glad I don't live in Europe. 

I paid the upgrade price listed on SM's site, not a penny more. As it should be.

 

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Thanks for the clarification. I was rather annoyed when the discount prices were listed but a price about 10% higher came up when I went to purchase. I didn't understand why it was higher. In Australia it is illegal to advertise a price without tax included. I know that isn't the case in the USA.

Well, being  a Brit in Texas, I wouldn't even mind paying the 8% sales tax over the 20% VAT you have to pay back in ole blighty :P

I'm gonna hold off on buying anyway...have till the end of next month to take advantage of the intro price.

 

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As I have said in another thread, living in the UK I have got used to paying in pounds what the buyers in the US pay in dollers, so in that sense it is cheap.

I also worked out that, assuming the same time period between this and the next release, it is going to cost me about £2.30 a week, or the price of a cup of coffee, now thats what I calla bargin.

 

 

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Belgians pay 21% VAT. As in other countries however advertised prices should either include that VAT or mention when it's not. I can imagine those people at Fastspring dividing all that money per country or state.

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I also worked out that, assuming the same time period between this and the next release, it is going to cost me about £2.30 a week, or the price of a cup of coffee, now thats what I calla bargin.

You are right! Compared with other 3D-software we are still on the side where a hobbyist can afford it as well. *

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Where did you find the option to change currency? I see an option to change location, which needs to be UK for me, but no way to change currency to dollars (I have dollars in my PayPal account, so can avoid the conversion process).

Near the top right, there's a currency selector drop down - it's on the page where you enter your details.

Hmm, I have the option to change country but no sign of an option to change currency, assuming this is the right page (but going further takes me to PayPal).

The country is the currency. Select US there and it should go to dollars.

 ...or is the currency on the previous page, where the list of other products is? Can't remember exactly...

there is a second country selector in the contact details for your address.

Ah (or possibly d'oh). Thank you.

Quote - I also worked out that, assuming the same time period between this and the next release, it is going to cost me about £2.30 a week, or the price of a cup of coffee, now thats what I calla bargin.

You are right! Compared with other 3D-software we are still on the side where a hobbyist can afford it as well. *

Fantastic value and it will last much longer than a cup of coffee too. It went straight into my basket. :)

Edit to add: I think Roxie and Rex look cute too! I'm going to enjoy playing with them. :)

Got mine and since I live in Australia got slugged the GST for it so instead of the $207 I worked it out at, (being the Australian Dollar is lower at the moment) that and the extra 2 years service I paid $230 AUD for it...

Man I hate taxes but better than it could have been..

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Actually Ghosty the GST doesn't kick in for purchases under $1000 so I'm guessing you paid the US taxes like I did...

Quote - Actually Ghosty the GST doesn't kick in for purchases under $1000 so I'm guessing you paid the US taxes like I did...

Your right so annoying it says $199 USD even with the current exchange rate $199 USD does not come to $221 AUD at the moment as of May 25th $199 US comes to $205.75 AUD, some shenanigans going on somewhere.

But as before could be a lot worse..  

 

 

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