vilters opened this issue on Jun 12, 2013 · 67 posts
vilters posted Wed, 12 June 2013 at 4:18 PM
After he ****** up the forums, tonight It became impossible to read half what is in the free stuff.
Who has the "restore to december 2012" button?
This is getting out of control.
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vilters posted Wed, 12 June 2013 at 4:19 PM
A W.I.P?
A W.I.P. to what? Chase us all away?
Please continue, and it will happen sooner then you think possible.
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vilters posted Wed, 12 June 2013 at 4:21 PM
Oh, and you can keep that header and take it with you. We do not need it.
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vilters posted Wed, 12 June 2013 at 4:23 PM
And while at it, throw the footer out the back door too.
This used to be a good site, around december last year.
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vilters posted Wed, 12 June 2013 at 4:23 PM
You have problems with my colors?
Well, I can not see yours eiter.
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vilters posted Wed, 12 June 2013 at 4:24 PM
Half the time what is in the text box is hidden by your GREY adds anyhow.
i am running out of colors here.
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vilters posted Wed, 12 June 2013 at 4:25 PM
Like it soo far?
Well, i do not.
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vilters posted Wed, 12 June 2013 at 4:27 PM
Every improvement is a change.
NOT
Every change is an improvement.
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vilters posted Wed, 12 June 2013 at 4:28 PM
Thank for not reading.
If able at all.
LOL?
Yes, around december 2012.
Have a good day.
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SamTherapy posted Wed, 12 June 2013 at 5:27 PM
:lol:
FWIW, I just took a look at my Freestuff and I rather like the way it looks
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LaurieA posted Wed, 12 June 2013 at 6:15 PM
The problems with the site lately have been annoying at best, intolerable at worst. I understand where you are coming from vilters...I still can't get the site to do what I want. Search is broken for me....what a pain in the rear end.
Laurie
Latexluv posted Wed, 12 June 2013 at 6:33 PM
Freestuff WTF??????? Do these guys not listen to us? I think a bunch of us have complained about the header and footer of each page being too large and too bright white. And now its in the free stuff section as well. And the marketplace is now so hard to navigate to find anything!!!!!
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WandW posted Wed, 12 June 2013 at 8:31 PM
It looks about the same at it always has; this with Firefox 21.
However, I do have 'renderosity.com/art/*' blocked in AdBlock Plus...
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"Oh - the manual says that? I have never read the manual - this must be why."Penguinisto posted Wed, 12 June 2013 at 8:44 PM
Oh - wait. So it's not me and my calcified brain, then. I thought the freebies were drying up or something.
So who is the UX guy running this circus nowadays, and how quickly can we get a hitman out there?
Penguinisto posted Wed, 12 June 2013 at 8:46 PM
Quote - Search is broken for me....what a pain in the rear end.
Wait - search worked at one time? When did that happen?
(damn, I have been away.)
ghostship2 posted Wed, 12 June 2013 at 9:22 PM
you guys might want to update your browser...no probs here on latest IE.
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LaurieA posted Wed, 12 June 2013 at 9:32 PM
Well, seems they optimized the site for IE...fine and dandy if most of us USED IE. I wouldn't touch it with someone elses 10 foot pole. LOL. It worked in FF for me before (of which I have the latest).
Laurie
markschum posted Wed, 12 June 2013 at 9:37 PM
Freestuff looks ok. sure the first page is headers but that why we has a scroll button.
Penguinisto posted Wed, 12 June 2013 at 9:54 PM
Chrome on OSX 10.8.4 here, version 27.0.1453.110.
infinity10 posted Wed, 12 June 2013 at 10:27 PM
Looks all right for me using Chrome with latest update. Marketplace and freebies section all showing fine and loading easy.
Eternal Hobbyist
Eric Walters posted Wed, 12 June 2013 at 11:50 PM
Thanks for the humorous way you made your feelings known Vitters!
I see the "Browse" bar text as a faint grey against lighter grey- I can see it-but it looks like "greyed out" text. Not the most visible of choices!
JoePublic posted Thu, 13 June 2013 at 12:05 AM
Firefox 21 here, too. Haven't touched IE in years.
It's very annoying that I have to constantly switch size settings between the forums and the market place/freestuff site.
It worked perfectly last year. :-(
Latexluv posted Thu, 13 June 2013 at 12:13 AM
Quote - Oh - wait. So it's not me and my calcified brain, then. I thought the freebies were drying up or something.
So who is the UX guy running this circus nowadays, and how quickly can we get a hitman out there?
Hey, I second the hitman idea! Guy doesn't look at feedback at all. Can't stand the header and footers, must scroll down quickly because the header is soooo bright it hurts my eyes.
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obm890 posted Thu, 13 June 2013 at 2:10 AM
Ithink you guys are all being really rude, cut Rendo some slack. Perhaps they have outsourced the web design to one of those foreign lands where IT skills are cheap and the new webmaster doesn't speak any English at all. :-P
RedPhantom posted Thu, 13 June 2013 at 6:03 AM Online Now! Site Admin
I'm on FF and not having any troubles. Perhaps it's one of your browser addons that is messing with stuff. I have seen that happen before. The search works. (of course the site search works for me too) I can read it. I don't have half of the problems you guys seem to have. The only reason I can think of is I have a very small number of addons running.
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obm890 posted Thu, 13 June 2013 at 7:45 AM
Quote - Do these guys not listen to us? I think a bunch of us have complained about the header and footer of each page being too large and too bright white.
I think we're lucky, things could be much worse. You know that Renderosity logo at the top left? It displays about 290x70 pixels, but it's actually a 3392x788 png! Maybe there are plans to make the headers bigger, just in case we miss them.
vilters posted Thu, 13 June 2013 at 8:18 AM
Yeah, and then some wonder why a site loads so slow.
This is not an upgrade but a downgrade.
It shows too;
Some have already left, and can be found active in other forums.
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Penguinisto posted Thu, 13 June 2013 at 10:17 AM
Quote - Ithink you guys are all being really rude, cut Rendo some slack. Perhaps they have outsourced the web design to one of those foreign lands where IT skills are cheap and the new webmaster doesn't speak any English at all. :-P
No, no... I've worked with UI guys at places like Infosys before - they actually do better work.
(By the by, this is the first time I've actually had to zoom out of a website to make it legible. Damn.)
RorrKonn posted Thu, 13 June 2013 at 11:45 AM
Windows 93,95,2000 ?,me,xp,Vista,7,8.
Mac's OS's etc etc etc etc
Browsers Fox versions etc etc,Chrome versions etc etc.
IE 4,5,6,7,8,9,10os,10m,
IE10t.For PC's ,tablets ,phones etc etc etc.
Can you all make a web site that works with all of that old tech & new tech ?
The site works fine for me n Windows 8.
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vilters posted Thu, 13 June 2013 at 1:55 PM
Ach, the webmaster is probably an under age Vietnamese kid, working in a Indian cellar, on a Japanese PC, with Chinese hacked software, doing this white job (looking at the font color) in black (looking at the large empty BLACK square above).
LOL
Standard XP with IE here, and it is ******
Countries choosen at random and no annimals where killed in the process LOL.
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LaurieA posted Thu, 13 June 2013 at 1:56 PM
Right, so show of hands...how many of YOU have the latest, greatest computer, use IE, and whatever else the site LIKES and nothing else it doesn't?
Yeah, I bet we get lots of people that use everything the site likes ;). Sorry, but when you run a website you have to take into account old and new...just the way it is. Not everyone is running the SAME OS on the SAME kind of machine with the SAME browser.
Laurie
LaurieA posted Thu, 13 June 2013 at 5:14 PM
FWIW, I'm using a browser based on IE atm (Maxthon) and I STILL get NO forum posts in site search results. Nada, none, zip, zero....I can't find anything. It's annoying as hell cause I haven't been able to search the forums since they changed the layout.
Laurie
RorrKonn posted Thu, 13 June 2013 at 5:33 PM
XP used IE version around 6 ? I would guess that's the probleam.
I like modeling in C4D best.
I have Basic C4D 9 released in the XP days there's no surprice 9's not all that great on windows 8.
There at version C4D prime 14 now.
I'm 5 versions behind.
Pirates code. those that can't keep up get left behind.
LaurieA : all you need is a better browser.there free.
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Latexluv posted Thu, 13 June 2013 at 6:06 PM
You may be right vilters. I have a win7 laptop and I'm running Firefox. The search function works fairly well (the marketplace however is an absolute nightmare when it comes to browsing for products). Even the forum is fine for viewing with the major exception of the extra large header and footer sections on each page. I cannot say enough that the bright white color literally hurts my eyes and I have to scroll quickly downward when I go from page to page either in the forum or in the gallery to avoid the white glare. How hard is it to get those headers and footers made SMALLER and maybe a darker color??????? I don't want to leave this site, I like it here and I've been coming here for my Poser fix since 1998.
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Bejaymac posted Thu, 13 June 2013 at 6:41 PM Online Now!
Quote - FWIW, I'm using a browser based on IE atm (Maxthon) and I STILL get NO forum posts in site search results. Nada, none, zip, zero....I can't find anything. It's annoying as hell cause I haven't been able to search the forums since they changed the layout.
Laurie
Which version of MX are you using ?
I've been using MX3 since the early betas and in ultra mode the site changes aren't giving me any problems, mind you the site didn't give me any problems before the changes either. In retro mode it's a different story as it's then based on either IE 6 or 7, instead of the webkit you get in ultra mode.
LaurieA posted Thu, 13 June 2013 at 6:52 PM
I'm using the latest one 4.xx...and it's in ultra mode. I get Freestuff, Blogs, MP, Tutorials, Articles, Newsletters....and no forum results. At all. And I searched for something I know that would come up - bagginsbill. LOL.
Laurie
Penguinisto posted Fri, 14 June 2013 at 9:31 AM
Quote -
Can you all make a web site that works with all of that old tech & new tech ?
HTML is HTML. The days of the blink tag are (thankfully) dead.
Only three browsers are needed to aim for: FF, IE, Safari. Here's why...
Safari and Chrome both use Webkit, so if it renders well on one, it'll 99% likely render well on the other.
The deays of 'OMG lookit all those version numbers!' is dying and/or dead. Only IE is still sticking with the discreet version upgrade paradigm these days. Everyone else gets latest/greatest version automatically unless they specifically choose (and set the system) not to.
mobile sites should be designed differently and parked on (ferinstance) m.renderosity.com - mobile formats are smaller, require bigger buttons (for the touchscreen) and need to account for both landscape and portrait modes. So yeah, by necessity the UX is gonna be different.
Nobody uses Opera anymore - screw 'em.
Quote -
{...} Windows 8.
Blecch. I'd rather masturbate with a fistful of broken glass than willingly use Windows 8.
LaurieA posted Fri, 14 June 2013 at 9:58 AM
I don't mind HTML5 and all that, or whatever innovation comes along, but I have browsers that can handle all of those and still I do not get forum search results. It's as if they removed it completely for me. Haven't been able to get any forum search results for months. Right now I'm using a browser that does webkit and I'm still not getting a damn thing.
Laurie
luckybears posted Fri, 14 June 2013 at 12:39 PM
Is there a problem with the site? Seems Ok to me.
vilters posted Fri, 14 June 2013 at 1:12 PM
You must be the webmaster, and the only one without problems. LOL.
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FrankT posted Fri, 14 June 2013 at 1:24 PM
Looks fine to me too - FF 21.0
I rather like the way my freestuff is layed out
RedPhantom posted Fri, 14 June 2013 at 4:20 PM Online Now! Site Admin
I'm not having any trouble. On FF with win 7. It works Ok with Chrome and IE too. Are you guys sure you didn't tweak some setting on your end?
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LaurieA posted Fri, 14 June 2013 at 5:25 PM
Nope, tried regular Opera with no addons and no extensions. I get nothing. Maybe the powers that be at Rendo should give us a clue as to their "site-approved browser list"?
Ahem.
Laurie
RorrKonn posted Fri, 14 June 2013 at 5:59 PM
Quote - Nope, tried regular Opera with no addons and no extensions. I get nothing. Maybe the powers that be at Rendo should give us a clue as to their "site-approved browser list"?
Ahem.
Laurie
IE 10 desktop version works for me
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LaurieA posted Fri, 14 June 2013 at 7:41 PM
NOW I'm getting MySQL errors facepalm
Laurie
I dunno what to tell you RorrKonn. It is NOT and has NOT been working for me. For months.
Laurie
Latexluv posted Fri, 14 June 2013 at 10:15 PM
Well, luckily for me, I'm not getting that error right now. I do have to ask though--yesterday, at least for me Rendo was off line. There was just this screen saying Rendo was off line for maintenance and a link to a youtube video about cats to view while I waited. Did that happen for anyone else?
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RorrKonn posted Fri, 14 June 2013 at 11:12 PM
Quote - NOW I'm getting MySQL errors facepalm
Laurie
I dunno what to tell you RorrKonn. It is NOT and has NOT been working for me. For months.
Laurie
Ah there's chrome,firefox.
If it would matter ,maybe we all have diffrent firewalls & settings.
Don't know if it matters but I have cable internet.
There has to be a reason why it works for one n not the other.
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LaurieA posted Fri, 14 June 2013 at 11:53 PM
I have cable internet and I've tried Chrome, Firefox, Opera and Maxthon (IE based). None of them get forum search results ;)
Laurie
basicwiz posted Sat, 15 June 2013 at 4:59 AM
I'm getting results on anything I search for. What are you looking for that doesn't show, Laurie?
vilters posted Sat, 15 June 2013 at 5:38 AM
NO LOL.
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RorrKonn posted Sat, 15 June 2013 at 7:20 AM
LaurieA: renderosity search ya half to spell just right.I can't spell at all.
search google, example ( renderosity vicky wedding dress )
Vilters: I feel ya pain.what browser n version is the .jpg ?
may be try diffrent browsers, diffrent zoom.
IE settings has text size ect ect,
windows has disabled assistance settings etc etc.
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vilters posted Sat, 15 June 2013 at 7:30 AM
Standard XP32 bit, with standard IE8.
Both up to date.
Zoom at 100% on a 1920x1080 screen.
You can zoom to whatever you want, the adds move too, and STAY above the txt.
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LaurieA posted Sat, 15 June 2013 at 7:39 AM
Quote - I'm getting results on anything I search for. What are you looking for that doesn't show, Laurie?
I get results on everything BUT forums Basicwiz. LOL. It's the strangest thing ;). And it started when they changed the site layout. Haven't been able to get a thing in forums in a long time.
RorrKonn: I'm sure I'm spelling things correctly. LOL I'm just not getting anything from forums, just everything else :(
I did have vilters current problem too and I can't remember how I fixed it or if it was just fixed one day when I came to the site.
Laurie
Penguinisto posted Sat, 15 June 2013 at 12:13 PM
FWIW, after yesterday's outage (was unable to reach it from either work or home), things seemed to have cleaned up a bit. Still have to zoom out a bit though.
Also, there's still way too much unused space in and about Free Stuff. Thinking this is AdBlock Plus' fault, I unblocked and reloaded, and, well, nope... still needs fixing...
FrankT posted Sat, 15 June 2013 at 12:28 PM
Actually Laurie - I don't get forum posts in site searches either but that's the only thing. Screen looks fine as does the freestuff
LaurieA posted Sat, 15 June 2013 at 1:33 PM
Yeah, the screen looks fine...it's the lack of forum search results that's REALLY not very handy as I used to search the forums quite a bit ;).
Laurie
FrankT posted Sat, 15 June 2013 at 2:57 PM
I always just search in the forums tbh - it's easier :) if I know I'm looking for a forum post then that seems the most logical place to be searching for it
lmckenzie posted Sat, 15 June 2013 at 3:58 PM
OK, tried the site search and no forum results BUT forums are NOT listed as a search option, ergo, it's not searching them. Forum Search works as expected - perfectly even since searching for "Vickie" brings up one of my lines as result #1. Check your site search options and see if forums is even listed. AFAIK, forums used to be included in site search. Maybe they farmed it off to another server/DB for performance. Other than that, the site continues to go downhill at a rapid pace.
Hey Pengy - screw you too! Opera Rulez! It has 90% of the features built in that you have to add some (OMG will the next update break it) to FireFaux, and dude, when I use Opera's proxy, I get cool offers to hook up with hot Oslo chicks. And please, stuff your WebSt and SoFarEe. Jobs is dead, stop j*ing him off. I kid of course. Screw the NSA for me :-)
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LaurieA posted Sat, 15 June 2013 at 5:05 PM
Yes, it did used to be included in site search. Great...now we have to remember what forum we saw it in to even search? Hehe...not with my memory ;).
I'm severely miffed. Gotta love those "upgrades and improvements".
Laurie
FrankT posted Sat, 15 June 2013 at 5:29 PM
you don't need to know which one - there's a "Forum Search" option on the menu dropdown for forums
RorrKonn posted Sat, 15 June 2013 at 5:32 PM
Quote - Standard XP32 bit, with standard IE8.
Both up to date.
Zoom at 100% on a 1920x1080 screen.You can zoom to whatever you want, the adds move too, and STAY above the txt.[/quote] Mines at 1920 x 1080 so that's not it.
at 100% zoom there's a lot of empty sapce on left n right. but the banners stay to the right thou.maybe in IE options / advanced ya can change the setting to work.
If renderosity is wrote in some code that IE8 can't read right then there's no way to fix that.
can XP run IE 10 ?
maybe if ya can run Chrome or firefox ?
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RorrKonn posted Sat, 15 June 2013 at 5:38 PM
Quote -> Quote - I'm getting results on anything I search for. What are you looking for that doesn't show, Laurie?
I get results on everything BUT forums Basicwiz. LOL. It's the strangest thing ;). And it started when they changed the site layout. Haven't been able to get a thing in forums in a long time.
RorrKonn: I'm sure I'm spelling things correctly. LOL I'm just not getting anything from forums, just everything else :(
I did have vilters current problem too and I can't remember how I fixed it or if it was just fixed one day when I came to the site.
Laurie
I wasn't accussing you of spelling like me.
Just saying on sites that don't have search or want good spelling.I use google to search there site.
forums/forums search / .does work for me on IE 10 desktop version.
but if it don't work for you could always use google.
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LaurieA posted Sat, 15 June 2013 at 5:52 PM
Hahahaha...I didn't even see that. Shows ya how much I actually use the main dropdowns.
Ok, then that one's solved...on to the next ;). Thanks FrankT :P
Laurie
FrankT posted Sat, 15 June 2013 at 6:32 PM
:biggrin:
lmckenzie posted Sat, 15 June 2013 at 6:37 PM
"Yes, it did used to be included in site search. Great...now we have to remember what forum we saw it in to even search? Hehe...not with my memory ;). "
I should have been more explicit. Shy guys never get the girl.
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MistyLaraCarrara posted Mon, 17 June 2013 at 9:20 AM
oh. i posted my woes down under in the suggestion forum >.<
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TrekkieGrrrl posted Mon, 17 June 2013 at 1:27 PM
I'm confused. What's wrong?
I can see the site has changed its overall color scheme since I was last around for real, but.. the free stuff looks ok (my free stuff at least) and most everything else.
As I'm more used to PHPBB forums, style-wise, I keep looking for the "new posts in forum" button at the TOP of the page instead of sorta midway down... but that's a minor thing. I can just use my bookmark that takes me to the Poser forum front and everything's fine.
Is it the "Home - Marketplace - features" ect that sends ppl into a hissy? It's light, but clearly legible here.
Oh I'm using chrome. Won't touch IE with a barge pole...
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