And there are people I'd like to contact, like GK to tell him the carraracafe is still screwing up.

Or to tell Roygee that it's not parinioa if people are out to get you.

And so on.

How is CC screwing up? Seems okay here

As for Daz you know they prob have you blocked :p

Why not PM GK here?

Well ya

And I haven't found the PM option for here. I'm probably just not seeing it.

You can find me at Stan's... er ahh the Carraracafe easy enough  But you still have to relog to see your posts, that is why I am trying to reach GK.

do a member search, then when on their page click contact ;)

Quote - do a member search, then when on their page click contact ;)

Or, if you see a post by them, click on the homepage link under the username and then on the contact tab on the page.

ncamp

Thanks all. That got it. I'm just bad about not looking in the right palce

Hey Stan

Hope you're doing okay.

 

I was doing fine till I saw the price of the carrara .5 update. I'm done.

there is an issue with the price of it atm - if your in the PC you should get it for about $85

What you are missing is the full price for the .5 update is $285. I only paid $120 to upgrade from C7pro-C8pro. You are also failing to add the cost of joining the Pclub to get that price.

Now think about this, what is the upgrade price of C9 going to be if the .5 update is $285?

I dont pay for the PC as I am still a PA over there - Although I am not getting the discount so email them about it, although I think a few said they got the discount even though they wernt in the PC, just another Daz cock up I bet

Quote - What you are missing is the full price for the .5 update is $285. I only paid $120 to upgrade from C7pro-C8pro. You are also failing to add the cost of joining the Pclub to get that price. Now think about this, what is the upgrade price of C9 going to be if the .5 update is $285?

Ouch!

Yeah, I was pretty shocked by the price. I'm still a PC member and I expected to probably pay $50 or so for the upgrade. The upgrade is $85 with PC membership and if you already own C8.

P.S. You called it correctly Stan. The Daz site is all messed up. A lot of PC members are pissed off about the high price, plus the price isn't showing up correctly in the Shopping Cart. Of course Daz isn't open yet and people are upset.

Man, you should put that psychic power to work and get paid!

Just came over from DAZ. Lot of unhappy folks. Lot of happy folks, too.

That upgrade price is not quite 'minimal' to me. I expected maybe 50 bucks. Not interested in Genesis, but was looking forward to some of the other features in the upgrade.

Sad day. We'll see what happens in the next two weeks.

Quote - Just came over from DAZ. Lot of unhappy folks. Lot of happy folks, too.

Yeah, I can really trust the landscape I see over at Daz. You always know there will be happy people and unhappy ones, but with Daz, they delete posts and edit others. Hard to believe more people aren't upset about the price.

Quote - That upgrade price is not quite 'minimal' to me. I expected maybe 50 bucks. Not interested in Genesis, but was looking forward to some of the other features in the upgrade. Sad day. We'll see what happens in the next two weeks.

I was expecting something between $40-$50 too.

Hopefully they will extend the 2 week deadline, because that's not a lot of time to come up with the money.

 

Yeah, I was surprised, too, by the seemingly small number of complaints for what would, in the past, have gotten just about everybody up in arms and caused DAZ to circle the wagons. I mean, that upgrade price was a genuine shock.

And that two week time frame. 30 days seems like a more friendly amount of time to purchase at the discounted price. It almost seems like they don't want people to upgrade. I mean with the high price and short window to get the discount.

Quote - Yeah, I was surprised, too, by the seemingly small number of complaints for what would, in the past, have gotten just about everybody up in arms and caused DAZ to circle the wagons. I mean, that upgrade price was a genuine shock.

I think the way it went was a few posts were quietly deleted, then a few people were told "Hey, if you don't want to join Stan in exile, toe the bloody line!"

Quote - And that two week time frame. 30 days seems like a more friendly amount of time to purchase at the discounted price. It almost seems like they don't want people to upgrade. I mean with the high price and short window to get the discount.

Daz seems to have this idea that we are all just sitting on stacks of money and they have to incentivize us to "Buy Now". That's why they started the "Value" category. The only thing the value category caused most people to do is buy only things they are certain they want and forget the rest.

You better watch out. We're going to get a DAZ fanboi in here pretty soon and slap us all down for talking trash about their girl friend, I mean, DAZ.

Sorry. Just had to. Won't do it again. :)

Yes, I have been in and out and reading on the DAZ forum. Just in the sticked thread I've seen quite a few deletions. The fact is you wont see many complaints, unless you are right there reading. 

Hey, if people wanted it any other way they would do something. Right?

 

Quote - Yes, I have been in and out and reading on the DAZ forum. Just in the sticked thread I've seen quite a few deletions. The fact is you wont see many complaints, unless you are right there reading. 

Yeah, I learned this back when Daz released V5 as a Genesis morph (and other times too). If you came in a day or 2 later, you would think it was a nearly 100% love fest. If you were actively watching the threads, you would have seen even moderate concerns get deleted. PAGES worth.

Then the cheerleaders come in and shout even louder. Gives you a false sense of the situation.

Quote - Just came over from DAZ. Lot of unhappy folks. Lot of happy folks, too.

That upgrade price is not quite 'minimal' to me. I expected maybe 50 bucks. Not interested in Genesis, but was looking forward to some of the other features in the upgrade.

Sad day. We'll see what happens in the next two weeks.

 

greetings :)

what features exactly were you looking forward too?

not being facetious, just looking for a reason to use Carrara 8.5 over 8.1 which for me is stable. As you know I just do stills.

Hey, Andrew! I've been meaning to get in touch with you. I've been a bit busy. Got another art gig. This one long term. Been keeping me busy. :) I'll have to post some images soon.

I was actually looking forward to the update after reading the list of improvements. I don't use Genesis, but the Bullet physics improvements actually seemed useful. Also, the autofit feature seemed good. Those were the two main things I was looking forward to. Can't remember what else at the moment.

After reading some comments here and at DAZ, I've since found that the features I was excited about may not be ready for prime time.

The main thing that kept me from not getting the update was the price. $285 is definitely not the small fee DAZ kept saying would be charged. And I do know that I could get it for 85 but that would mean paying an extra 25 for the PC.

I'm still using 8.1 along with Poser. Between the two I get done what I need. I enjoy working in Carrara. It's fast, easy and gives me good results. I finally had need for the 3D paint function. After I figured it out, it worked great. Once I get the image approved by the folks I'm working with, I'll have to show it to you. I was very impressed with the results.

I won't stop using Carrara unless I have to. I'm skipping this update but not abandoning Carrara. It's just too cool of a program. :)

Oh I love working with carrara. Genesis is a PITA though. And autofit only works with G1 and G2F, but only if you have the right morphs for the figure, and even then it didn't work too well in the beta.

Holly has some info up on the changes to animation tools on the carraracafe http://carraracafe.com/forum-3/?cid=1&show=513

hjake "Carrara Pro 8.5 is $549.95 and it is on sale for $285.00.

NO. And why on earth did DAZ_spooky agree with that?

The update from C8.1 to C8.5 is $285. Carrara 8.5 pro is not on sale.

 

scottidog2 DSON is studio, poserCF is poser weightmapped and carrara can't use it.

If people want answers they need to get off the DAZ forum. I'm not there.

Quote - If people want answers they need to get off the DAZ forum. I'm not there.

 

That much is true. Either get your information right here in the Rendo forums or go over to the Cafe.

HYa David, that's fantastic news about the job/work! Really looking forward to seeing what you come up with!

Ah, I bought 8.5 for a few reasons. One of them was to keep Daz afloat and interested in developing Carrara :) T'other reason was for cloth sim - which is a waste of time still. Unless you want to drape a table cloth on a character's head - then it works pretty well. 

I loaded up a coat obj 7,000 polys? and tried to do a cloth sim, Carrara stalled. So I took it into Poser and poser stalled! So I still need to give carrara some more testing - but the next time I did it crashed. (another garment) I think it's because we can't rule out parts of the figure eg head hands feet etc like we cam in Poser. 

Also I loaded up a scene in Car 8.5 I had been working on, mucked around did a test render and timed it. Didn't save scene as I have been warned  of mip mapping??? problems going from car 8.5 to 8.1?? Loaded it up in car 8.1, did a render and timed it - same times. But I did notice that some of my texture names were missing in the shader room..... (you knowhow you can see the name of a texture if you select the parameter that it resides in) 

Not sure if it's anything to do with car 8.5 I am paranoid after the first beta screwed my runtime and daz was still letting people download it knowing it would screw their runtime and not warning people! 

not bashing daz, just saying that maybe somethings could get tested better.

so I have Car 8.5, can't really see a use for it in my workflow though. Which is sad. It just disrupts my workflow at the moment.

Eg half the time when you add a runtime it gives it some weird name and you can't see the pics that go with the runtime, then you add it again and it works, so you have to go and delete the other runtime etc....

I think for the next update DAZ really needs to listen to it's customers, rather than listening to their accountant.

They need to ask what their users want and give it to them, rather than give us what they think will be good for Daz.

Hmm, I'm not really bashing daz...... 

sorry to abduct your thread stan,

 

Frank__ The is not a feature, that is a bug it took DAZ 3 builds to fix; carrara and MTL files.

Not a problem headwax.

"Not sure if it's anything to do with car 8.5 I am paranoid after the first beta screwed my runtime and daz was still letting people download it knowing it would screw their runtime and not warning people!"

Nothing new at DAZ or limited to carrara. Ask Holly about mimic on Mac

"T'other reason was for cloth sim - which is a waste of time still. Unless you want to drape a table cloth on a character's head - then it works pretty well. "

Oh I'll argue with you there. Most of my tests showed that yes it was slow, but could drape most all clothes. But draping for a still was about all it could do.

I wish we could organize the carrara browser. Set it to sort alphabetically, or by most used, or drag and drop. Mostly because My folders usually end up at the bottom of a list.

Back to getting my new comp set up.

I wish we could organize the carrara browser. Set it to sort alphabetically, or by most used, or drag and drop. Mostly because My folders usually end up at the bottom of a list.

 

yes we need to get Fenric to do a plug in but I don't think he can access that part?not sure?

but it's just a txt file I think, so someone with programming knowledge might be able to access it??? and make a better way of arranging it outside of carrara

poser has a much better library access

Would some one tell Cloudrunner77 http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/28009/

That he probably used the consolidate shaders so all the eye textures have the same shader. Change the surface shader and it changes all the eye shaders. He will have to apply new master shader to the eye surface shader to fix it.

When I find it ill give some good eye settings, on the surface shader think 1000% not 100%, to make them shine. ;)

no i refuse to do it :)

David, if you are still listening, you might not realise that Joe has banished himself from the carrara forum

Don't get me started on JM. Not with the crap he has done and gotten away with, while I got banned for telling the truth.

And where is Andy? I haven't seen a post from 3DAGE in ages.

Hey, Andrew! Still here. In between corrections at the moment. Sorry to hear that 8.5 is not up to snuff. I really am. Even though I'm opting not to buy this round of Carrara, I did want it to work. Especially the physics end of it.

It's sad, really. All that work and time spent on the beta and development, it still seems like 8.5 is in beta.

For cloth sims, I would have recommended Marvelous Designer, but since they released their newest version the company seems to be taking lessons from DAZ. The new program has fewer features than the previous v.2 and the cost has risen by a lot. They're even pushing a subscription plan which is totals to to like 3 or 4 hundred dollars for a year. I'm sticking with v.2, which is no longer available. What are these companys thinking?

For Poser cloth sims, make extra sure that there's very little to no pokethrough for the garment. I don't use Poser's cloth sim much, but when I do that's the biggest problem I have. I always forget it when it's time to run the sim. But I'm not getting old. :) Also make sure you've ticked which collisions you want or don't want. Can't remember anything else at the moment. No, I'm not getting old at all.

Quote - Don't get me started on JM. Not with the crap he has done and gotten away with, while I got banned for telling the truth.

And where is Andy? I haven't seen a post from 3DAGE in ages.

Hey, Stan. JM? If you're talking about who I think you're talking about, I always hated that guy. What a jerk! I've always wondered why he even shows up in the Carrara forums. He certainly doesn't use the software. At least not with any above average ability. The few renders he's posted were far less than stunning for someone who's supposed to be in the 'industry'. He just seems to show up every so often to piss on folks and then disappears. Real pro, that guy.

I've also been wondering where Andy has got off to.

Of all the forums I am on I only have 1 person on an ignor list

I should probably ingnore him, but then I'd miss out on all his wonderful 'charm' and his 'unique' understanding of everything CG and 3D. I mean, as far as he's concerned he's the god of the 3d world. Who am I to ignore god? Heh, heh.

sorry forget about Joe, not worth worry about.

I think andy got worn down by Joe, just another one of Joe's victims.

It's not good when everytime you visit a forum it leaves a bad taste in your mouth.

And I think Holly got sick of being moderated??? she mentioned it once then vanished, though she stuck her head up at the cafe.

The list of the fallen grows bigger all the time. Fenric hardly posts too. Which is a pita as his plugins have really made my life much easier and sped up my workflow amazingly.

 

how long before your ban is lifted?

sorry david I just saw your posts!!! hmm, they weren't there a second ago!

be back soon!

Wont, third time.

I refuse to turn a blind eye, I refuse to worship at the DAZen idol. They wont let me back in. Persoanally, if I can't be me, I can stay banned.

DAZ wants their own personal little army of cheerleaders on the forum to help sell their products. And nay sayers just harsh the consumer frenzy.

Heaven forbid forum readers should have a reality check.

Now you all know I was useing the C8.5 beta for the full time it was in beta. I used it exclusivly and built +- 80 scenes. Did day upon day of soft cloth and other bullet physics tests. Wasted hours trying to get a decent dynaimc clothing sim in to carrara; DUF and carrara were not the issue.

I only had 3 big issues. Removing the 0 pose 0 morph buttons, Genesis, and autofit. Now I read the know issues list. Yes they are quite well know, like 18 months of well known. It's nice they warned peopel, been better if they had actually ficed them.

None the less; and boy do I ramble, I have no issues with C8.5 as is. I like it, I miss it. But I don't $285 wother of like or miss it.

The sales are simply smoke and mirrors.

sorry you are banned Stan. Yes I agree smoke and mirrors. !

 

David! Thanks for that advise on the cloth sims! The biggest problem I have is getting Poser and Carrara to talk as far as obj sizes.

My typical workflow would be  (if it was practical)

1. set up scene in Carrara,

2. suddenly decide I would like a draped cloth on a character that looks more realistic with groovy folds etc,

3. hit a magic button that opens scene in poser, run cloth sim, then open it in Carrara

at the moment my workflow is

setup scene in carrara, export an object from the eg k4 figure, with morphs and skinning baked on, bring it intio poser, do the draping, then bring the draped cloth into carrara and then try to get it to fit to the figure like it did in poser as it did on the obj in Poser.

Not worth the trouble!

Poser's new morph tools atre great for making folds in fabric though.

I probably should just make fold morphs for conformed clothing and save them  as new figures  in  the poser library.

At the moment I am trying to get a route for getting Genesis clothes  into Poser so I can use the fitting room to fit them to v4 k4 etc. I haven't really mucked around with dison stuff, havenm't had time.

Also via xdresser. Xdresser site says I have to load them up in Daz studio and use a plug in to export a cr2 etc. Pity carrara 8.5 doesnt export a cr2 file......

 

As I said great news about your project.!

I'm nearlty at the end of another wordless book. 30 pages, about 150 illustrations, Hopefully my agent will sell the first one soon!

Oh did I tell you about my conspiracy theory?:)

Pssst..

I think that JM and Andy are one and the same person, and that it's like Jeckyl and Hyde.

One is so nice and wonderful and helpful and smart.

The other is the antithesis.

They are two sides of the same coin.

Nothing wrong with Jeckyl and Hyde mind you. Ha ha aha ahahahahah haaah haaa :)

Quote - One is so nice and wonderful and helpful and smart.

The other is the antithesis.

They are two sides of the same coin.

 

The yin and the yang, dark and light, each one defines the other ................

That is why DAZ needs me on the forum, counter point to dartanbeck

 

Sci Fi Funk that is "Studio" not DAZ. And carrara has a comparativly moderate learning curve. Compared to Blender or Maya it's a pleasent incline

Why do people think Studio is DAZ? And why does no one correct them?

Ignorance is solved by being informed.

One last time, DAZ is the brokerage, Studio is the sales gimmick. K?

Quote - sorry you are banned Stan. Yes I agree smoke and mirrors. !

 

David! Thanks for that advise on the cloth sims! The biggest problem I have is getting Poser and Carrara to talk as far as obj sizes.

My typical workflow would be  (if it was practical)

1. set up scene in Carrara,

2. suddenly decide I would like a draped cloth on a character that looks more realistic with groovy folds etc,

3. hit a magic button that opens scene in poser, run cloth sim, then open it in Carrara

at the moment my workflow is

setup scene in carrara, export an object from the eg k4 figure, with morphs and skinning baked on, bring it intio poser, do the draping, then bring the draped cloth into carrara and then try to get it to fit to the figure like it did in poser as it did on the obj in Poser.

Not worth the trouble!

Poser's new morph tools atre great for making folds in fabric though.

I probably should just make fold morphs for conformed clothing and save them  as new figures  in  the poser library.

At the moment I am trying to get a route for getting Genesis clothes  into Poser so I can use the fitting room to fit them to v4 k4 etc. I haven't really mucked around with dison stuff, havenm't had time.

Also via xdresser. Xdresser site says I have to load them up in Daz studio and use a plug in to export a cr2 etc. Pity carrara 8.5 doesnt export a cr2 file......

 

As I said great news about your project.!

I'm nearlty at the end of another wordless book. 30 pages, about 150 illustrations, Hopefully my agent will sell the first one soon!

Great news about the new book. Keep swinging.

You are so right about obj size troubles between Poser and Carrara. It's causing me some difficulties right now. I have never been able to figure out the conversion ratio between the two.

You might consider creating/morphing the character in Poser, saving into the library and then opening it in Carrara for texturing and posing and such. When/if you decide you need dynamics, you can go back to Poser and open the figure you saved to the library, pose it and do the dynamics, save the result into the library and then open in Carrara. At least things should be the same size. Not really a time saver but maybe less aggravation.

If I had C8.5 I could show you just what can be done with soft cloth. I worked with it quite a bit when the beta was first released. In fact poser dynamic clothing has worked quite wel for me, just a matter of pulling polies to fit to the pose. Modeling in the assembly room is quite good for this, and soft select is your freind

Oh, yes. Soft select. :)

Quote - That is why DAZ needs me on the forum, counter point to dartanbeck

I like Dartanbeck, but wow. The most positive person I have ever met. You could tell him athe moon is going to slam into the Earth and he would say "It's only going to hit one side". I like him but the positivity can be a bit much. 

Keep rockin Dart!

Quote - Sci Fi Funk that is "Studio" not DAZ. And carrara has a comparativly moderate learning curve. Compared to Blender or Maya it's a pleasent incline 

Why do people think Studio is DAZ? And why does no one correct them?

Ignorance is solved by being informed.

One last time, DAZ is the brokerage, Studio is the sales gimmick. K?

Well, in my offline world, everyone I know calls DazStudio, Daz.  The only reason I bother calling it D|S or DazStudio is you can come in here and ask "how do I do X in Daz 2.4" and two days will pass and people will act like they don't know what you're talking about. You come back and after 2 days all you get is people asking you "Do you mean DazStudio" when they bloody well knew what you were talking about.

I don't bother to "correct" anyone because I know what people are talking about when they say "Daz."

Well there are a few things I am funny about. You don't say I need a gardening tool when you mean a shovel. That may be a samsung in you living room but when it scews up you don't say your samsung is on the frtiz

For me it's how you seperate the company from the app. It's not Dazcarrara, dazbryce, or dazhex. But I'll have to admit it has been dazstudio since the first release. None the less when they say DAZ when they mean Studio, I will correct them.

I mean no offence, I have been corrected by people most of my life, so it just seems natural to me.

Quote - > Quote - That is why DAZ needs me on the forum, counter point to dartanbeck

I like Dartanbeck, but wow. The most positive person I have ever met. You could tell him athe moon is going to slam into the Earth and he would say "It's only going to hit one side". I like him but the positivity can be a bit much. 

Keep rockin Dart!

Yeah, Dartenback is a great guy, and I love his spirit for Carrara, but Wow! Does that guy know how to be calm and laid back. I don't think so. :)

By the way, if you haven't got his Environment Kit set for Carrara, it's great.

I'm not going to say anything bad about Dartenback's work. But then I am not going to pay for something I am quite capable of; and enjoy doing, myself.

I mean Howies stuff is excellent, well worth the price. But I can do that; just too lazy to. 

Maybe it's because I am so used to doing a lot myself, and the funnest part of this for me is the staging. Right now I am working on retexturing all of the M4 pirate outfit. Once I have done it, and have the texture builds; genetica GTXs, I can change up the textures with ease.  I have several GTXs spacifically for moding skins on the mil3 and 4 figures. Full body tatoos are the hardest ones to get right; got to avoid seams.

But I agree, as much as I like dartenback, his constent over the top cheerleading for DAZ wares on my nerves. Sometimes he makes it sound like DAZ should be given sainthood.

Quote - I mean no offence, I have been corrected by people most of my life, so it just seems natural to me.

No offence taken.

Plus, The few times I remember you correcting someone, you actually took time to answer the person's question. Some of the people who insist on correcting others just pretend to not even have a clue about what's being discussed and never bother to even try answering the question.

I grew up around a lot of people for whom English is a 2nd language, so I have to (unless I want to be a nuissance) try to understand what people mean. Correcting them only when they are saying something that will offend others or something of the kind.

Quote - Wont, third time.

Damn, Stan

Man, maybe you should just break down and apologise, promise not to do it again.

I had to apologise and promise to lay low a couple of times to avoid a ban.

Yeah, they've been deleting my posts, but they haven't threatened me in a while.

I've been laying low lately after a gang of my posts vanished and I found out you had been banned.

Quote - > Quote - Wont, third time.

Damn, Stan

Man, maybe you should just break down and apologise, promise not to do it again.

I had to apologise and promise to lay low a couple of times to avoid a ban.

Yeah, they've been deleting my posts, but they haven't threatened me in a while.

I've been laying low lately after a gang of my posts vanished and I found out you had been banned.

I understand the sentiment, but I don't think Stan should apologize for being right. I've read his posts. Heck, he's been right more often than wrong. He's helpful and pretty patient with newbies, too. They banned him for no real reason at all. DAZ has proven over and over again in the past couple of years that they don't want folks like Stan hanging around. Makes me sad.

I don't post there much at all anymore because I'm not all together sure what speech is permitted and what is forbidden. I have my negative days. I'd hate to find myself banned because I got up on the wrong side of the bed.

Of course, Stan can do what he wants. I just don't think he's done anything to apologize for. My opinion, of course. :)

 

Quote - I understand the sentiment, but I don't think Stan should apologize for being right. I've read his posts. Heck, he's been right more often than wrong. He's helpful and pretty patient with newbies, too. They banned him for no real reason at all. DAZ has proven over and over again in the past couple of years that they don't want folks like Stan hanging around. Makes me sad. I don't post there much at all anymore because I'm not all together sure what speech is permitted and what is forbidden. I have my negative days. I'd hate to find myself banned because I got up on the wrong side of the bed.

Of course, Stan can do what he wants. I just don't think he's done anything to apologize for. My opinion, of course. :)

Books,

Don't get me wrong. I don't think Stan was in the wrong (well, it is now a fact that in this case he was 100% right), but sometimes in order to stay in good standing you have to kowtow.

One of my bosses is more often wrong than right, but in order to keep out of trouble I have to agree with clearly stupid things. Things that are wrong and will simply not work.

Stan was right, but they banned him. Maybe an apology might get him back (even when they should be apologising to him).

 

Well, I agree in social situations and the workplace. That's just common sense.I've worked with a few bosses that couldn't scrape up enough eggs to make a dozen between them. Completely understand that sort of thing.

My point is that DAZ isn't all that important in the grand scheme. And it's apparent that, at least for Stan and some others, the forums at DAZ might be considered a hostile environment.

I like Stan. He's a great guy. As far as I know no one really dislikes Stan. He puts his cards on the table and is a knowledgeable helpful soul. Wouldn't mind having him for a neighbor. :) DAZ just doesn't like that he calls them on stuff. Repeatedly. Whatever he does, DAZ is going to ban him again, because Stan is Stan (bless his heart) and the new DAZ is the new DAZ.

If the DAZ forums were the only game in town, of course, I'd recommend apologizing to get back in DAZ's good graces, but their not. The one thing I'd miss most would be the good people there in the Carrara forums, but even some of them have vanished, either no longer welcome or just moved on. Makes me sad.

Anyways, it really doesn't matter what I think. I'm just a little cog in the 3D wheel. :) I kinda like it that way.

Oh don't think I haven't thretened a few bosses. I'll play along for a while but eventually I am going to hit my boiling point.

There are a couple of mods on the ACR forum that would love to ban me simply because I will argue with them. But being persistent about unsolved issues isn't a bannable offence. Well, not on the ACR forum.

Dammit

My thread over at Daz just got buried. I started a thread to discuss the nature of the new PA sale.

One guy came in to say he got screwed over with Paypal and they told him he needed to file a ticket, but they deleted the posts critical of the sale.

 

Grrrrr

Troublemaker. :)

Seriously, that stinks. If they don't let folks talk about what's wrong as well as what's right, they'll never get it right over there.

Quote - Troublemaker. :)

 

Yeah Books, I know. LOL!

It just kept bothering me that one of our THREE biggest sales of the year has turned into such crap and no one seems to care.

I mean, am I out of step thinking we should be able to enjoy the sale like we used to? Everyone was always waiting around and looking for their favourite PA to go on sale. The forums were alive and it was a lot of fun seeing all the new products. You know, this is probably the first PA sale where Stonemason didn't get money from me and I have been in the PC since 2006.

 In the old days, if something like this had happened, there would have been an outcry that would have shut down 3 or 4 threads and countless post deletions.

This time, I could only count a few deletions and one thread closed down.

Maybe more people have more money these days or maybe the deletions are happening in near "real-time"

Oh people care, they just can't say as much where it counts, or might make a difference.

It's not more people with more money, it's simply DAZ has trained their consumers well.

I read more then people probably give me credit. I spend a couple hours everyday reading the news online. I read a report on a new trend with marketing, the "up to" savings point. As in "save up to 50% off". People for some reason see the "50% off" but fail to tale note of the "up to". So they grab the item they want, check out, and never realize they didn't get it for 50% off, it may only have been 40% or even 30% off, because people don't do the math. Some on the other hand; like my mother, spot immedietly the the item didn't ring up at 50% off, that is when they are told that 50% off is just on certain items and not the one they are buying. Stores depend on people not doing the math.

Years ago it used to be "the customer is always right" now it's far more "buyer beware".

Quote - Dammit

My thread over at Daz just got buried. I started a thread to discuss the nature of the new PA sale.

One guy came in to say he got screwed over with Paypal and they told him he needed to file a ticket, but they deleted the posts critical of the sale.

 

Grrrrr

No, the posts on the PayPal issue were split to a new thread and your thread was then merged with the pre-existing thread on the sale in Members Only. No posts were deleted. Beyond correcting your error, this isn't the venue for discussing moderation actions at the DAZ 3D forums - you have our email.

Quote - Beyond correcting your error, this isn't the venue for discussing moderation actions at the DAZ 3D forums - you have our email.

You can push me around at the other place. 

Not here.

Discussing moderation actions at the other place gets posts deleted.

I have emailed you lot on moderation actions and I get ignored.

Maybe if DAZ put their moderation in the right place 3DAGE would still be on the forum.

I mean they watched me like a hawk. Had me on some sort of instent notification when I posted. So why not do the same thing with certain forum members that seem to be prone to going at other forum members?

Quote - > Quote - Troublemaker. :)

 

Yeah Books, I know. LOL!

It just kept bothering me that one of our THREE biggest sales of the year has turned into such crap and no one seems to care.

I mean, am I out of step thinking we should be able to enjoy the sale like we used to? Everyone was always waiting around and looking for their favourite PA to go on sale. The forums were alive and it was a lot of fun seeing all the new products. You know, this is probably the first PA sale where Stonemason didn't get money from me and I have been in the PC since 2006.

 In the old days, if something like this had happened, there would have been an outcry that would have shut down 3 or 4 threads and countless post deletions.

This time, I could only count a few deletions and one thread closed down.

Maybe more people have more money these days or maybe the deletions are happening in near "real-time"

I definitely miss the 'old days'. I don't think you're out of step at all. We SHOULD be enjoying this sale, but the excitement, the fun just isn't there. I was a member of the PC from 2006 to 2012. I stopped it last year just after the PC sale. Didn't really need to wait as I didn't buy much of anything at all. All the once exciting, anticipated sales are just not worth bothering with there anymore.

Quote - > Quote - Beyond correcting your error, this isn't the venue for discussing moderation actions at the DAZ 3D forums - you have our email.

You can push me around at the other place. 

Not here.

Discussing moderation actions at the other place gets posts deleted.

I have emailed you lot on moderation actions and I get ignored.

Apparently, DAZ's reach is long. sheesh!

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - Beyond correcting your error, this isn't the venue for discussing moderation actions at the DAZ 3D forums - you have our email.

You can push me around at the other place. 

Not here.

Discussing moderation actions at the other place gets posts deleted.

I have emailed you lot on moderation actions and I get ignored.

Apparently, DAZ's reach is long. sheesh!

Yeah. LOL!

I came in this morning and saw the email to me an thought "WTF!?"

I come over HERE to get away from THAT!

 

No pushing around intended - you made a mistaken assertion (that your post was removed) and I corrected it. Even if we were willing to discuss specific actions in public rather than by email doing so at Renderosity would be an imposition on the site's hospitality so I don't think it appropriate for me to do so - I have, of course, no control over what you do.

How nice.

I love playing video games. My favorite is racing, but the choices are slim. Only a couple of good ones out. Sort of a niche market I supose. Next is survial horror. I think I have most all of them for the PS1&2. But online picking are vary vary slim. Luckely there is dead fronteer, a garage game but a damn good one. Next is your frpgmmos. And having been a Tolkein fan since I read the books I eventually ended up at LOTRO. But before that I playied quite a few others.

Now one of the first things I do with a new game is check the forum. If I see a lot of peopel griping about the same issue I may never play. If I see people griping but not about a common problem, I'll give it a go. If I see no one griping about anything I figure the forum is very heavily modded, and leave imeaditely. I know there will be issues and if they are so major the mods remove any griping about them, I don't want to run afoul of them. 

Ya feel me?

Could some one tell Dartenback the a Carrara .5 update at $171 is no sort of "major bargen" considering I got the full upgrade from C7 to C8 for $120.

This somehting that is really starting to hack me off. DAZ cheerleaders desperatly trying to convince people that the .5 upgrade is worth $85 more then a full upgrade.Especially when all you are getting aside from some tweaks and bug fixes is genesis compatability. All they are paying for is the ability to spend more.

Are they still going to be singing that tune when they see the C8 to C9 upgrade pushing $600 {which is 3X the C7 to C8 upgrade}or more; and from the look of it far more.

And considering the way DAZ has greiviously over priced C8.5 update, do you have any doubt C9 wont be well over $500? And considering how much under that posted price of the C8.5 update I was; in my worst case senario, don't be surpised if the C9 upgrade pushes a grand. No joke.

At this point it would not surprise me in the least if the C9 upgrade comes in at $800-1000. But DAZ will of coarse thow up it's sales smoke and mirrors "Don't look at the actually price of $800 over here, look at this super special limtied time discount that brings the cost to you down to $280.

And of coarse all the DAZ cheerleads will jump around and sing their praises to the great giver of content DAZ. DAZ the all powerful, DAZ the all might, DAZ perfection incarnate.

A house built on delusion crumbs when hit by reality.

 

I still reading the DAZ forum. My responce to this http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/28263/P60 is "welcome to DAZ, you paid for this, enjoy". If the forums weren't so heavily censored people would know this is SOP for DAZ and has only gotten worse over the last couple of years.

A week long wait for sales and service to fix a major error in billing would promp me to get a full refund.

OK, I've never said this before. Never been prompted to ask it. But I am rapidly coming to the conclusion chohole needs to be dropped as a mod.

Quote - Now one of the first things I do with a new game is check the forum. If I see a lot of peopel griping about the same issue I may never play. If I see people griping but not about a common problem, I'll give it a go. If I see no one griping about anything I figure the forum is very heavily modded, and leave imeaditely. I know there will be issues and if they are so major the mods remove any griping about them, I don't want to run afoul of them. 

Ya feel me?

Use the same sort of system when reading customer reviews of products.

And by the way, I get what you're saying. :)

Quote - Could some one tell Dartenback the a Carrara .5 update at $171 is no sort of "major bargen" considering I got the full upgrade from C7 to C8 for $120.

This somehting that is really starting to hack me off. DAZ cheerleaders desperatly trying to convince people that the .5 upgrade is worth $85 more then a full upgrade.Especially when all you are getting aside from some tweaks and bug fixes is genesis compatability. All they are paying for is the ability to spend more.

Are they still going to be singing that tune when they see the C8 to C9 upgrade pushing $600 {which is 3X the C7 to C8 upgrade}or more; and from the look of it far more.

And considering the way DAZ has greiviously over priced C8.5 update, do you have any doubt C9 wont be well over $500? And considering how much under that posted price of the C8.5 update I was; in my worst case senario, don't be surpised if the C9 upgrade pushes a grand. No joke.

At this point it would not surprise me in the least if the C9 upgrade comes in at $800-1000. But DAZ will of coarse thow up it's sales smoke and mirrors "Don't look at the actually price of $800 over here, look at this super special limtied time discount that brings the cost to you down to $280.

And of coarse all the DAZ cheerleads will jump around and sing their praises to the great giver of content DAZ. DAZ the all powerful, DAZ the all might, DAZ perfection incarnate.

A house built on delusion crumbs when hit by reality.

I still reading the DAZ forum. My responce to this http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/28263/P60 is "welcome to DAZ, you paid for this, enjoy". If the forums weren't so heavily censored people would know this is SOP for DAZ and has only gotten worse over the last couple of years.

A week long wait for sales and service to fix a major error in billing would promp me to get a full refund.

Agree, current price for this .5 update is NOT, in my opinion, a reasonable price. Sure, you can get it for 85 something bucks, but that's after you pay 25 for the privilege. And I also am not overly optimistic about a 'reasonable' price being charged for 9. I'm not too optimistic that there will even be a version 9. Especially on the timetable that DAZ has set.

Went and read that thread. Wow! This is one 'suck egg' weekend for those new purchasers of C 8.5. I'm surprised some of those posts are still there to be read.

Quote - OK, I've never said this before. Never been prompted to ask it. But I am rapidly coming to the conclusion chohole needs to be dropped as a mod.

 

Ok, I'm not one for posting over here, I just read, but I'm not going to sit by and watch while you purposely try to undermine the moderators of a site that has nothing to do with this one, especially when said moderator does a great job.

Frankly, Stan, if you were on any kind of watch-list then it's probably because you do little more than whine over at the Daz site and I see you've carried on that tradition over here.

 

Neither forum need trolls and you are one of the reasons I don't visit the Carrara section of the Daz forum.  Don't ruin this one too please.

 

Is your problem with Chohole borne from her willingness to do her job rather than let the trolls ruin the forum?

 

Regards,

Barry.

Quote - Now one of the first things I do with a new game is check the forum. If I see a lot of peopel griping about the same issue I may never play. If I see people griping but not about a common problem, I'll give it a go. If I see no one griping about anything I figure the forum is very heavily modded, and leave imeaditely. I know there will be issues and if they are so major the mods remove any griping about them, I don't want to run afoul of them.  Ya feel me?

I'm not an online gamer, but I do feel ya.

Whenever I see too many people cheering and no people griping, I know to put my money back in my wallet and run away quickly. If I don't see at least a tiny bit of variety in responses, I know there's problems.

Quote - This somehting that is really starting to hack me off. DAZ cheerleaders desperatly trying to convince people that the .5 upgrade is worth $85 more then a full upgrade.Especially when all you are getting aside from some tweaks and bug fixes is genesis compatability. All they are paying for is the ability to spend more. And of coarse all the DAZ cheerleads will jump around and sing their praises to the great giver of content DAZ. DAZ the all powerful, DAZ the all might, DAZ perfection incarnate.

A house built on delusion crumbs when hit by reality.

 

You know, Stan. People keep saying it's the negative people are running people away from buying Carrara. I say it's all the cheerleaders that are running them away.

Hey, I LOVE Carrara. I LOVE a lot of Daz content. But when the cheering gets to be tooo much it starts to sound fake. It becomes harder and harder to trust what's being said.

"The price of the upgrade is perfect", "Daz is the bestest", "I paid $3K for 3DS Max, so shut up about $85" and on and on.

You would think after going the better part of a week and not having a serial number would open a few eyes, but I just came from over there and the cheer leaders are still cheering.

No kidding. If I woke up prepared to do some great work in my software of choice and sat down to discover that my serial is no longer valid after only a week, I'd be a bit peeved.

Yeah, I know DAZ will fix it as soon as they get around to it on Tuesday, but sheesh, what a way to start your day.

I think Carrara is great. Use it all the time. But cheerleaders, not so much.

Never did like cheerleaders. Too loud, too obnoxious, too everything and definitely over the top. Does grate on your nerves after a while. I like some of those cheerleaders over at the DAZ Carrara forum, but I find myself skipping over the majority of what they post because it all gets a bit monotonous after a while.

 

Oh, and Stan, I've been reading your posts for years, and I've never once considered you a troll. That JM fellow is a troll and no one seems to mind him stirring the pot. You, my friend, are a prince among men. A bit rough around the edges, but a prince. :)

Quote - No kidding. If I woke up prepared to do some great work in my software of choice and sat down to discover that my serial is no longer valid after only a week, I'd be a bit peeved.

Yeah, I know DAZ will fix it as soon as they get around to it on Tuesday, but sheesh, what a way to start your day.

...

They got someone in and re-issued the serial numbers.  There should be an updated one in your serial number list. 

My new SN works.

ncamp

Told you they'd fix. Just a day earlier than I expected. Good news for you.

Quote - Told you they'd fix. Just a day earlier than I expected. Good news for you.

Well ya, people started talking refund, that will useually light a fire under someone

Wow! I need me some refund to burn in the fireplace this winter.

I almost posted impulsively yesterday on this thread, but decided I would give it a night's sleep to cool off and make sure I wasn't just spouting off in knee jerk reaction.

It's more than 24 hours now, I've cooled down, but I do still think something needs to be said.

Quote - No pushing around intended - you made a mistaken assertion (that your post was removed) and I corrected it. Even if we were willing to discuss specific actions in public rather than by email doing so at Renderosity would be an imposition on the site's hospitality so I don't think it appropriate for me to do so - I have, of course, no control over what you do.

Well, if all you had done was corrected a mistaken assertion, then that would be one thing.  But you also added:

Quote - Beyond correcting your error, this isn't the venue for discussing moderation actions at the DAZ 3D forums - you have our email.

I'm sorry, but the title of this thread is "I can't PM or Email from DAZ", and the reason is that Manley stated he's been banned due to moderation actions at DAZ.  This whole thread is about moderation at DAZ.  

And yeah, whether you intended to or not, it came across as though a DAZ mod was high-handedly trying to push people around, both vaguely menacing and authoritarian, as if you had final say over what kinds of conversations are appropriate here. These are the Rendo forums, not the DAZ forums.

It would be as if someone showed up at my front door to confiscate my firearms because of the laws in New York, and I had to politely point out that "This is Utah, not New York.  Where is the mentally capable adult who normally cares for you, and do they realize you've wandered off?"

It really bothers me that this happened.  A mod should behave better, and this really lends credence to the assertions some have made that the daz forums are badly (and irrationally) moderated.

I don't believe Manley should have been banned.  I don't believe Holly should ever have been blocked. Just using the two of them as an example, but neither of them is a troll, both of them have helped others and served as valuable members of the Carrara community, freely giving of their time and talents, and I have no doubt that their efforts have won DAZ many customers, people who have actually purchased Carrara simply because of the answers they received in the forums.

On the other hand, there actually is a troll that pops up from time to time in the Carrara forums, does his best to insult nearly everyone, claims he is 'just being honest' and that he 'doesn't care what others think', and that people who disagree or question him are 'too sensitive', 'unprofessional' etc - then immediately takes offense at any interaction (because of his incredibly fragile ego) and blows up, twisting peoples words and treating pretty much everyone nastily.  I've watched this guy pop in and out of the Carrara forum over the years, and it's a fact that his tirades and blowups have chased off several of the best and most invaluable Carrara forum regular contributors, yet as far as I can tell the mods have never taken any action.  

On other forums if a thread is moved the title stays in the forum it was in, but links to the thread where it was moved.

How do you expect peopel to react when they go to read their thread and it is gone, with no notification it had been moved?

Persoanlly I like Richard, and wont fault him for trying to defend, or explain actions taken on the forum; whether I agree with the action or not.

But yes, on the DAZ forum you stand a better chance of getting banned for pointing out DAZ's screw ups, or questionable busness practices, then going at fellow forum members.

Which is worse, the person that plants the seed of dicontent, or the person that drives off valuable forum memebers?

Personally I would rather know of possable issues then blindly walk in to them.

evilproducer so far all my C8.5 scenes without Genesis have opened fine. No texture issues.

Nope no need of me on the DAZ forum

And it's quite apparent they need JM on there more then, well, anyone he has driven away, including 3DAGE. Ain't that nice.

http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/28339/

Just me being me. Sure C9 will be ready, if you don't mind paying the $1K upgrade cost.

http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/28214/

In an hours time I can download and install a dozen pieces. So why ever would I waste an hour fighting to get DIM to work?

http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/28337/

It's the mipmapping causing that, the further from the camera the figure gets the lower the texture resolution.

Unless carrara's mipmapping is diferent then game mipmapping; that subs lower rez thextures the further from the camera they are. Lord knows I have made enough of them 

Nope, no need of me on the DAZ carrara forum at all.

http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/28356/

Scotsman go for a refund before DAZ jerks you around long enough you can't get one. That will get their attention faster then a forum post.

Of coarse that leads to the question why some one would see the price is wrong and buy it anyway. If the price had been right for me the day I checked I might have gotten it at $50; I'd have still gripped that $149 is in no way a "nominal fee". 

Due to DAZ's pricing screw ups I was of the opinion it was $285 across the board for everyone. So yes, the pricing screw cost DAZ my sale. And I am quite sure I am not the only one.

Wait, did people with C8.1 not know they should have only been charged $49.95 if they were in the Pclub? That is what mine says today, if it had said that the second day of the sale when I checked it, I might have gotten it. And I certainly wouldn't have made such a fool of myself.

Quote - I almost posted impulsively yesterday on this thread, but decided I would give it a night's sleep to cool off and make sure I wasn't just spouting off in knee jerk reaction.

It's more than 24 hours now, I've cooled down, but I do still think something needs to be said.

Quote - No pushing around intended - you made a mistaken assertion (that your post was removed) and I corrected it. Even if we were willing to discuss specific actions in public rather than by email doing so at Renderosity would be an imposition on the site's hospitality so I don't think it appropriate for me to do so - I have, of course, no control over what you do.

Well, if all you had done was corrected a mistaken assertion, then that would be one thing.  But you also added:

Quote - Beyond correcting your error, this isn't the venue for discussing moderation actions at the DAZ 3D forums - you have our email.

I'm sorry, but the title of this thread is "I can't PM or Email from DAZ", and the reason is that Manley stated he's been banned due to moderation actions at DAZ.  This whole thread is about moderation at DAZ.  

And yeah, whether you intended to or not, it came across as though a DAZ mod was high-handedly trying to push people around, both vaguely menacing and authoritarian, as if you had final say over what kinds of conversations are appropriate here. These are the Rendo forums, not the DAZ forums.

It would be as if someone showed up at my front door to confiscate my firearms because of the laws in New York, and I had to politely point out that "This is Utah, not New York.  Where is the mentally capable adult who normally cares for you, and do they realize you've wandered off?"

It really bothers me that this happened.  A mod should behave better, and this really lends credence to the assertions some have made that the daz forums are badly (and irrationally) moderated.

I don't believe Manley should have been banned.  I don't believe Holly should ever have been blocked. Just using the two of them as an example, but neither of them is a troll, both of them have helped others and served as valuable members of the Carrara community, freely giving of their time and talents, and I have no doubt that their efforts have won DAZ many customers, people who have actually purchased Carrara simply because of the answers they received in the forums.

On the other hand, there actually is a troll that pops up from time to time in the Carrara forums, does his best to insult nearly everyone, claims he is 'just being honest' and that he 'doesn't care what others think', and that people who disagree or question him are 'too sensitive', 'unprofessional' etc - then immediately takes offense at any interaction (because of his incredibly fragile ego) and blows up, twisting peoples words and treating pretty much everyone nastily.  I've watched this guy pop in and out of the Carrara forum over the years, and it's a fact that his tirades and blowups have chased off several of the best and most invaluable Carrara forum regular contributors, yet as far as I can tell the mods have never taken any action.  

Direct and to the point. Well said and right on target.

Quote - http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/28339/

Just me being me. Sure C9 will be ready, if you don't mind paying the $1K upgrade cost.

http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/28214/

In an hours time I can download and install a dozen pieces. So why ever would I waste an hour fighting to get DIM to work?

Definitely not paying 1K for Carrara.

And DIM...no thanks.

Quote - Scotsman go for a refund before DAZ jerks you around long enough you can't get one. That will get their attention faster then a forum post.

Of coarse that leads to the question why some one would see the price is wrong and buy it anyway. If the price had been right for me the day I checked I might have gotten it at $50; I'd have still gripped that $149 is in no way a "nominal fee". 

Due to DAZ's pricing screw ups I was of the opinion it was $285 across the board for everyone. So yes, the pricing screw cost DAZ my sale. And I am quite sure I am not the only one.

That $285 sent me running the other way as well. Not what I'd call a nominal fee on any planet.

Quote - Wait, did people with C8.1 not know they should have only been charged $49.95 if they were in the Pclub? That is what mine says today, if it had said that the second day of the sale when I checked it, I might have gotten it. And I certainly wouldn't have made such a fool of myself.

The new game at DAZ...musical prices. When the music stops, you pounce on the price of their choice. Or 'Let's Make a DAZ Deal'. Do you take the price as marked or will you take the price behind the curtain?

Quote - > Quote - Wait, did people with C8.1 not know they should have only been charged $49.95 if they were in the Pclub? That is what mine says today, if it had said that the second day of the sale when I checked it, I might have gotten it. And I certainly wouldn't have made such a fool of myself.

The new game at DAZ...musical prices. When the music stops, you pounce on the price of their choice. Or 'Let's Make a DAZ Deal'. Do you take the price as marked or will you take the price behind the curtain?

:)

Oh  my got, how bad does DAZ need me on that forum?

Would some one plaese tell DAZ_jared he has the wrong screen cap up. That is what I saw last tuesday, not what I am seeing today. That screen cap is for the purchas of C8.5 not for the upgrade to C8.5.

I swear it's like the babysitter has left the house

that is $5 less then this morning

His picure is 8.5Pro, where yours is 8.5.

Should be 8.5 pro as that is what I have, I mean 8.1 pro.

Don't know whom is more confused by the pricing me, DAZ, or everyone else.

But that is really the plan isn't it. Get everyone so confused they really have no clue what the price is, or is suposed to be. 

So just what the freaking sam hill is the actual price for the C8.5 update. What I am seeing for pro is the purches price of C8.5, not the update price. Or do they expect me to buy carrara all over again. All I want is an update price for C8.5 pro but I have yet to find it.

Screw this, time to call the BBB on DAZ because I am sick to death of this purposful confusion that DAZ is causing.

Ya, I kind of figured no DAZ_ would have the nerve to come on here and explain this pricing.

hook, line, and sinker: used to emphasize that someone has been completely deceived or tricked.

Quote - Oh, and Stan, I've been reading your posts for years, and I've never once considered you a troll. That JM fellow is a troll and no one seems to mind him stirring the pot. You, my friend, are a prince among men. A bit rough around the edges, but a prince. :)

Agree.

While I don't agree with everything that Stan says, I have never wanted to leave a thread because he was on it. JM has attacked me and MY post got pulled when I spoke back. I don't know how many people that particular individual has gone after, but if anybody deserved a "time out"...

Quote - Ya, I kind of figured no DAZ_ would have the nerve to come on here and explain this pricing.

hook, line, and sinker: used to emphasize that someone has been completely deceived or tricked.

Maybe if you comment on one of the mods someone will come over then...

Quote - Don't know whom is more confused by the pricing me, DAZ, or everyone else. But that is really the plan isn't it. Get everyone so confused they really have no clue what the price is, or is suposed to be.

Stan, you remember the March Madness sale?

No one knew the price of ANYthing. One person would think something cost one price, then three other people would chime in with three different prices and finally a mod would pop in with yet another price.

I thought that was the most annoying sale, until now, that is.

How does this confusion help Daz or anyone else?

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, Dorothy. Pay no attention.

Ha ha, I read his 'second ' ? book , was great for the first few chapters.In it the king says, about an unsatisfactory General, to paraphrase:

"Throw that man away!"

For JM, yes I have seen him moderated. He and I have had whole chapters moderated during our 'conversations". The moderations were thoroughly deserved too. :)

To be fair to Daz this is in their TOS We reserve the right to remove any post we feel is in violation of these rules as well as any post we feel is not of specific interest to our core membership.  Please note that as a private entity the DAZ 3D forums do not give a promise of freedom of speech.

 

 

 

 

How does confusion help DAZ? How many people had the wrong price in their check out, yet paid anyway? How many have filed a ticket for difference? How many are going to get it? How many never realized they were over charged? These pricing issues seem to be SOP for DAZ lately. If it was costing them money it would most assuredly have been fixed.

It's back to the "up to" discount, if you don't do the math how do you know if you got the full discount?

If you'd like a good laugh I was telling a fiend of mine about the goings on in carrara land. I described dartenback as a highschool cheerleader on meth

No insult intended.

I described JM as that snot nosed little kid going around causing trouble for everyone, and getting away with it.

Where as I was the kid putting up the posters letting every know what the principle was up to, so got suspended.

ha ha :) yes I'd prefer Dart wasn't reffered to as a fan boy etc because he really is a good bloke, JM is just a misunderstood genius, and you are the wabble wouser :)

Quote - JM is just a misunderstood genius

 

Yes exactly: Absolutely no one - anywhere - has ever understood him to be a genius  ;)

 

Yes, if you go and check any of the old horror flicks I'm the lead guy with the torch and pitch fork.  "are you with me"!

Hey, that reminds me. I started a scene using creech { http://www.yurdigital.com/catalog/1859-creech-stand-alone-poser-figure }, then got flumixed becaue I couldn't get all the elements in to the scene on my old comp. Well 8 surface replicators for swamp plants and dead trees; I think. Got the house boat in then started getting memory allocation errors when I tried to add the first person; V4.

Quote - ha ha :) yes I'd prefer Dart wasn't reffered to as a fan boy etc because he really is a good bloke, JM is just a misunderstood genius, and you are the wabble wouser :)

You're right. Dart is a good sort. No doubt about that.

He's just a tad too enthusiastic sometimes.

Hell, I'm dragging right now and WISH I could steal a fraction of his energy.

Quote - > Quote - ha ha :) yes I'd prefer Dart wasn't reffered to as a fan boy etc because he really is a good bloke, JM is just a misunderstood genius, and you are the wabble wouser :)

You're right. Dart is a good sort. No doubt about that.

He's just a tad too enthusiastic sometimes.

Hell, I'm dragging right now and WISH I could steal a fraction of his energy.

With you on that. With my general disposition it's hard for me to get that worked up about anything, in a good way. Life in general has tought me to be pesimistic, and continualy reenforces that. Hoping for the best and expecting the worst means never being disapointed.

As in. I love women, the smell of powder and perfum just makes my knees weak. But I apparently have very bad taste in women, I just keep ending up with psicopathes. So I am a bachlor not even looking for a woman, but not whilling to believe thay are all bat **** crazy.

Quote - > Quote - JM is just a misunderstood genius

 

Yes exactly: Absolutely no one - anywhere - has ever understood him to be a genius  ;)

 

 

Ha, ha!!!

I never understood him...genius or otherwise. Mostly otherwise.

Quote - Ha ha, I read his 'second ' ? book , was great for the first few chapters.In it the king says, about an unsatisfactory General, to paraphrase:

"Throw that man away!"

I'd love to say that about several people. I'd also love a horde of minions who would make it so. :)

That's it! I'm asking for minions for Christmas.

Quote - Yes, if you go and check any of the old horror flicks I'm the lead guy with the torch and pitch fork.  "are you with me"!

 

I'm the guy that says, "but they went THAT way!"

It's kind of funny how we have Daz people coming over here "setting the record straight" when things are CLEARLY not going right.

The attitude seems to be that we  want Carrara to fail or some such nonsense.

The TRUTH is we want Carrara to succeed. We want a successful C8.5, 9, 10 and so forth.

We also want to be able to afford it and to have the releases be stable.

Not paying for bug fixes wouldn't be too much to ask.

Unless we pay a nominal fee, which $85 is not.

I in no way want Carrara to fail. I've said it before, I use Carrara 8.1 Pro every day. I'm still learning things about it and I enjoy it. I'd hate to see anything happen to it.

On the other hand, I have no use for Genesis or any of the Genesis content related improvements made to the current release. And I don't animate, so while the improvements to animation are great, I don't need them.

I really wanted work done to improve dynamic hair and subsurface scattering, and maybe some form of dynamic cloth that didn't take forever to use. I'd love to see dynamic hair show up in multi layer renders. I always have to touch up multipass renders because the dynamic hair doesn't show up. I hate that.

And, yeah, that final 'nominal' price tag gave me sticker shock. I am really afraid to see what 9 is going to cost.

Books (or anyone else)

 

Has anyone seen Andy (3D Age)? I PM'd him over at Daz a few days ago, but haven't heard a thing. He and I have PM'd many times over the years and I have never known him to take more than 24 hours to get back to me.

A little concerned.

I think everyone is. At first I figured he was discusted with JM. But I haven't seen hide nor hair of him anyware. Hope he is in good health and not having serious life issues.

Haven't heard anything from Andy. He was awol for a while a year or so ago, and I remember folks being quite disturbed. I think in the end it turned out that real life had reared its ugly head in some form (I can't remember now). Hopefully, that's the case now.

thoromyr poke through using autofit is something I have been complaing about since the C8.5 beta was released. Nice to see how well DAZ has fixed it.

In fact most of the stuff on the "known issues" list has been known for quite some time. I just love the job DAZ is doing fixing those issues in that amount of time. That is the sort of stuff that makes C8.5 worth the $285 price tag DAZ has put on it.

In fact, from the looks of it, DAZ hasn't fixed any of the bugs in Carrara that were in the last beta releace.

Here is an interesting read for people that missed it http://carraracafe.com/forum-3/?cid=1&show=422

The issues with trying to fix the poke through is an example of why C8.5 is a step down from C8.1. Or at least why Genesis is a step down from mil4. Once clothes go through autofit forget modeling in the assembly room. Another issue with C8.5 that has been there since it's first release.

But in 2 years of development DAZ has fixed so many bugs that were in the initial release, they fixed DUF import and...... and....... and...... give me a minute I'll think of another. Any way DAZ has done such a great job of fixing so many bugs introed in C8.5, and done such a good job of fixing the old on going issues with carrara that rebuying carrara to get the .5 update is well worth the $285 price tag

OK, read the Carrara Cafe thread. You seriously got warnings from mods for telling newbies how to manually install content? That's crazy!

And the issues with the new 8.5. I really didn't keep up with all the discussion on the beta, but I'm now seeing an every growing list of issues crop up as I read through posts at the DAZ Carrara forum. The price issue was what sent the other way on 8.5, but also reading the troubles some have had makes me glad I'm not fighting with it now. Sure, their are people not having any problems, so far, but there are plenty who are. I've read enough to see that the problems aren't isolated or hardware related.

If people are not having issues, they aren't really using it. All it takes is G1, and any set for mil4 clothes. I used it for 2 years, more often then not I had to give up on genesis and go back to the mil4 figures. If the big draw to C8.5 is genesis, genesis and autofit really needed to work much, much better. That is why Genesis compatability was not part of it for me, it didn't work nearly as well as Studio.

Most of my posts about DIM and CMS got pulled. DAZ seems to be trying to convince users that they are the best thing since sliced bread. I guess if you are just using Studio, genesis and all new content they might be. But people having more issues with DIM and CMS then anyone ever had with any other part of Studio to date.

Every post I made about G1 being out of development and my evidence to prove it got pulled, and why I was banned. The fact is nothing has been done with G1 since release 2 years ago but stating facts DAZ doesn't want the general public to realize is bannable.

I got banned for telling the truth. I got banned for repeating facts after being told not to. I got banned for pointing out posts of mine that had been pulled for telling the truth. The truth is not something DAZ wants on it's forums.

Welcome to the DAZ forums, the communest russia of the content brokerverse. I'm not the only one, I'd love to hear from Holly.

Yeah, I miss Holly. Carrara need her brand of sassy.

And I'm still reading post from people having a lot of difficulty with DIM. I'm glad I never played with it.

Quote - Yeah, I miss Holly. Carrara need her brand of sassy.

The CarraraCafe needs her too. She put the new forums together. I'm not really a big fan of the Cafe's new look and functionality(the browser at work can't navigate it at all) but I am grateful for her hard work.

Quote - And I'm still reading post from people having a lot of difficulty with DIM. I'm glad I never played with it.

DIM seemed like a bad idea from day one. I said that and CMS were bad news and Daz deleted those posts. Now I read about problems with those daily.

Just tried to post in the DAZ Carrara .5 announcement thread. Every time I hit the 'submit' button, it sends me to my account and does not show my post. I've tried several times. No luck.

How strange is that?

Quote - > Quote - Yeah, I miss Holly. Carrara need her brand of sassy.

The CarraraCafe needs her too. She put the new forums together. I'm not really a big fan of the Cafe's new look and functionality(the browser at work can't navigate it at all) but I am grateful for her hard work.

Quote - And I'm still reading post from people having a lot of difficulty with DIM. I'm glad I never played with it.

DIM seemed like a bad idea from day one. I said that and CMS were bad news and Daz deleted those posts. Now I read about problems with those daily.

Yeah, I tried to post at the Cafe yesterday, but it wouldn't show the post.

Regarding just about any problem with DAZ, if we don't talk about it, it's not a problem.

oh the post will be there most of the time, yuou just need to say your name backwards, log in then log out then count your cookies and sit in the mantra position and it will magically appear - yes I wish holly would return as well as andy

Quote - Just tried to post in the DAZ Carrara .5 announcement thread. Every time I hit the 'submit' button, it sends me to my account and does not show my post. I've tried several times. No luck.

How strange is that?

 

hmm, you are probably black listed for being manstan's friend :)

this has happened to me sometimes - maybe swap to google chrome or vice versa?

Well Give DAZ a few years and soon you wont even need to shop. Just open studio and there is new content DAZ has downloaded and installed for you, based on your past purches, and charged to your account. Of coarse there will be a nice % discount showing in your order. And you will be so happy, and thanking DAZ, and telling them how great this new way to acumulate content is.

Doesn't sound plausable, try this.

You open Studio, load G3Us. Do a search of your smart content for a pair of pants. Drop them on G3Us and a popup appears that tells you about the latest release of new mats for those pants and they are on sale now. Order through Studio and receave another 10% off. So you purches, download and install all from Studio.

That sound more plausable?

Ok, try this.

You're shopping as DAZ, buy a set of workclothes for G3Us, it this kicks on DIM that downloads and installs it, which wakes up CMS that adds it to the list then opens and loads it in Studio so you can see your purches in all it's glory.

Ya, gets a bit more plauseable all the time. Scary isn't it.

Genesis 3 unisex, the next figure after G2M. Yes DAZ, scary isn't it 

 

great ideas! you should be working for Daz you know.

Quote - oh the post will be there most of the time, yuou just need to say your name backwards, log in then log out then count your cookies and sit in the mantra position and it will magically appear - yes I wish holly would return as well as andy

All that gets me is tongue tied and a sore back...ouch. Last time I listen to you.

And I still miss Holly and Andy. :(

Quote - Well Give DAZ a few years and soon you wont even need to shop. Just open studio and there is new content DAZ has downloaded and installed for you, based on your past purches, and charged to your account. Of coarse there will be a nice % discount showing in your order. And you will be so happy, and thanking DAZ, and telling them how great this new way to acumulate content is.

Doesn't sound plausable, try this.

You open Studio, load G3Us. Do a search of your smart content for a pair of pants. Drop them on G3Us and a popup appears that tells you about the latest release of new mats for those pants and they are on sale now. Order through Studio and receave another 10% off. So you purches, download and install all from Studio.

That sound more plausable?

Ok, try this.

You're shopping as DAZ, buy a set of workclothes for G3Us, it this kicks on DIM that downloads and installs it, which wakes up CMS that adds it to the list then opens and loads it in Studio so you can see your purches in all it's glory.

Ya, gets a bit more plauseable all the time. Scary isn't it.

Genesis 3 unisex, the next figure after G2M. Yes DAZ, scary isn't it 

 

When do the warm and fuzzy theories start? You're starting to give me nightmares.

Quote - great ideas! you should be working for Daz you know.

Doesn't he?

Someone tell staticdrifter s/hes got a fan. S/he is saying the exact same thing I have been saying right along. But if I had been me saying it on the DAZ forum you never would have seen the posts. It's called moderator bias.

Maybe if we had more suportive, united carraraest DAZ wouldn't be screwing us. I'll point back to the C6.5 update for the last time Carraraests were actually united.

Could someone tell dartanback I have never had issues with any of the people at DAZ; well 1. It's DAZ the company that is, well maybe not evil but on the down side of scrupulous. Thing is these desisions are made by someone, and supported by others. Bad ideas are put in to busness by good people that wont stand up and say its wrong.

"if you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem"

Yeah, I find myself cheering for staticdrifter, too.

I'd love to pass on your messages, but the DAZ forum doesn't seem to like me at the moment. I can read, but the 'submit' post button sends me straight to 'my account'. Strange, but true.

Could some one do me a favor and drop my C7 wanted list in the C9 request thread lol

For C7 I'd relaly like to see much better atmospherics. Maybe I was spoiled by Terragen but Carrara's atmospherics are real weak.

I'd really like to see dynaimc clothing, this jumping back and forth to poser5 via transposer gets to be a PITA. I'd really rather do my dynaimcs in carrara, it's easyier to get it to match the scene.

I'd also like to be able to duplicate firgure formated objects. I mean duplicating regular objects is simple and easy. But lets say I have street lights or something to make a row of down the street, with .obj it's easy but if they are in the figure format; cr2{?}, I have to just load, align, load, align and it takes forever to get a row of them, and real hard to get them lined up.

Ya, they discontinued transposer after C6. Not because there was any issues, just because it worked with Poser.

Could some one tell scottidog2 that DAZ only wants you to use DIM so good luck getting help trying to install it manually on a mac.

Genesis items go in the "my library" folder that studio makes when you install it. C8.5 should auto up the "my library" folder if you have studio installed. Unless you are using DIM, then it's a different folder name, in a different place.

On a PC it's in my documents, no clue about a mac.

No you don't have to install Studio, unless you actully want to use genesis.

Note you can set up your own Studio content folder then just add it to your carrara browser; I forget which type you have to chose on adding the content folder.

But as Fed up as it is to install content I couldn't guess where the C8.5 might put or look for it.

Welcome to DAZ where we make content installation as complex and confusing as posable to be sure you use DIM and CMS.

fun fun fun

I'mmm uuup

 

 

 

Quote - Someone tell staticdrifter s/hes got a fan. S/he is saying the exact same thing I have been saying right along. But if I had been me saying it on the DAZ forum you never would have seen the posts. It's called moderator bias.

I have been reading and supporting staticdrifter too. I think the reason Static has been left alone is that poster doesn't have the same kind of following or support as others do. That's my thought anyway.

I post something and I get a few people agreeing, hell the whole thread might get locked. It's happened before. 

Stan says something his posts vanish, REAL quick.

So, I have been quietly supporting what Staticdrifter has been saying. Just hoping some of the message gets through to more Carraraists.

P.S. Also, it could be because so many Daz workers have been over here, they realise the heavy moderation is gaining attention. They might guess they need a little opposition to go with all that cheerleading.

Just my thoughts.

Some one tell Fank I don't know what he is doing wrong, but check the elements in his scenes. I very rarly had any issue with DUF, even dynamic clothing animations came through. Does Frank use a Mac?

Some one remind dartenback that when Studio 4 was origenally released it was not free, but a united Studio user front ended that. Studio is free now only because of public out cry. I expect studio5 out by Xmas and it quite likely wont be free; at least the pro version with the most common plugins wont be. Studio 5 standard will be free but very limited.

Does dartanback wear a helmit or are the ceilings padded? I mean he coined the term "gratingly happy" positivism so overzealous as to ware on ones nerves.

Still can't post over at the DAZ forums. Bizarre. You don't think they banned me when I wasn't looking?

Keep coming across posts I want to reply to, and I can't. Sad. :(

It's only paranoia if people aren't out to get you.

Quote - Some one remind dartenback that when Studio 4 was origenally released it was not free, but a united Studio user front ended that. Studio is free now only because of public out cry. I expect studio5 out by Xmas and it quite likely wont be free; at least the pro version with the most common plugins wont be. Studio 5 standard will be free but very limited.

Actually, Studio 3 Pro wasn't free either. I remember buying it on launch day. It didn't work quite right and the autofit feature (or whatever it was called) didn't work nearly as well as was claimed.

I never have really used DS3A all that much. The rare times I use D|S, I use DS 2.4. The most stable release they've had.

I think the company started going down hill when they started charging for Studio. I have DS4Pro and DS4.5Pro, but haven't downloaded them, much less installed them.

I believe DS5 will be free because Daz will had to have learned its lesson, at least on this front.

Stan, I'm sure you remember the multiple angry threads last time round?

Yes. I believe that was my second banning

But I'll have to disagree, evidence shows DAZ does not learn from the past. DAZ just sees it as a failed attempt and trys again later, Hence $285 for the carrara .5 update. And as you can see it worked. So I have no doubt DAZ will try to, and probibly succeed this time, in charging for Studio. As I said, maybe not Studio5 standard, but defenetly studio5 pro. Of coarse if DAZ has any sence they wont. They will just have Studio 5 and a pro plugins pack, or 2. Maybe "artist" plugins and "pro" plugins. None the less DAZ is being run by pro marketers that could make a profit off a rabbit corpse.

When Studio 3 got the figure set up tools it stopped being a sales gimmick for me and finally became a usable tool. I used DS3 a lot, it was an integeral part of my carrara suport team  

Then we got Studio 4, with genesis it was a game changer. Then DAZ fumbeled the ball. I haven't used studio4 near as much as I did DS3. Since release I have seen no improvements in genesis or autofit, which was what made studio4 the game changer. Yes Studio 4 has gotten updates; for free, but I don't see where they have improved what I used studio for.

I used studio 4 for what wasn't in carrara for using genesis. Mostly the selectable uvmapping. Now I was quite happy when C8.5b got the update so DUF worked to get dynamic clothing sims from studio to carrara for staging. Problem is something happen to the optitex dynaimc sim and the dynamic clothing does not work nearly as well as it did in DS3. I think I was up to 24-28 trys and still nothing usable in the end.

I've come to the opinion DAZ no longer has developers on site and is now subcontracting out app development. Ether that or thier developmental staff is down to a bair minimum. Remember when DS3 was getting practically weekly updates? Yes, it was a PITA, but the development was quite dynamic. Things were getting done. That was a bit over 2 years ago and development has slowed to a painful crawl since, so slow as to give the impression there is no development, at all, going on.

It seems DAZ has turned to PAs to provide work arounds for the issues in autofit and genesis, then charging us for said work arounds. So why fix the issues when people will pay for a work around. Even the next step in genesis, one that fixes many of the issues with genesis, was done by a PA, not DAZ. There are morphs out now that are workarounds for the issues with autofit, and DAZ is charging you for them, rather then fixing autofit. There is no profit in fixing the issues, there is a profit in selling you the workarounds. See my tirade on the carraracafe about encouraging incompatence.

But this is moot for me at the moment. I didn't update carrara so I have no use for Studio 4; or the plugins I wanted for it, or genesis/G2F; so no need to buy anything for them. Not upgrading carrara has saved me far more money then just the cost of the upgrade.

Thanks for way over pricing the C8.5 update DAZ, you have saved me money I can spend elsewhere. As in Lisa is my favorite organics artest. I have a lot of lisa's botanicals, and want more, but she isn't at DAZ now. One of the things I see lacking in many pitures, and I usually add as details to an outdoor scene, is birds. Ken isn't with DAZ any more ether; and I want his shore birds pack. 

Hell if Stefan and Jack took thier content out of DAZ, I'd have little reason to shop there; at least for big ticket items. Seems most everything else at DAZ I might want is in the $3 bin.

And as much as I am in awe of Howies scenes, I can do that. In fact I have been contemplating building a setting/scene to see if maybe I actually could be a PA, I mean I have been at this long enough that my skill should be of that calibar; should be    .

What can I say. I'm an insomniac. In 5 days I managed to get a bit less then 20 hours of sleep; 16-18. Finally got a good solid 5 lastnight, so feeling good today. 

Quote - But I'll have to disagree, evidence shows DAZ does not learn from the past. DAZ just sees it as a failed attempt and trys again later, Hence $285 for the carrara .5 update. And as you can see it worked. So I have no doubt DAZ will try to, and probibly succeed this time, in charging for Studio. As I said, maybe not Studio5 standard, but defenetly studio5 pro. Of coarse if DAZ has any sence they wont. They will just have Studio 5 and a pro plugins pack, or 2. Maybe "artist" plugins and "pro" plugins. None the less DAZ is being run by pro marketers that could make a profit off a rabbit corpse.

You may be right Stan.

You know, It seems to me giving away DS4.5Pro was one of the smartest things they ever did. It put Genesis and other creative tools in the hands of a lot of people. What stopped me from loading it up on my machine was seeing all the problems people were having.

Quote - When Studio 3 got the figure set up tools it stopped being a sales gimmick for me and finally became a usable tool. I used DS3 a lot, it was an integeral part of my carrara suport team

I bought DS3A when it came out. What made the sale for me was firstly how well DS2.3 worked for me. At the time, I was making my transition to Carrara, but I was straddling the fence. The morph follower (or whatever it was called) was a big attraction to me. I thought it would help me fit clothes from V3 to V4. It didn't really do that. I still don't know how they got a M3 suit onto F3 in the promo for DS3A.

I basically use D|S for setting up my animations. I never use Optitex Dynamic Cloth and I don't do anything to the UV maps. So, even though I have DS3A, I only open DS2.3 and even then just to scan new items into the runtime. Carrara is my main workhorse.

　

Quote - Then we got Studio 4, with genesis it was a game changer. Then DAZ fumbeled the ball. I haven't used studio4 near as much as I did DS3. Since release I have seen no improvements in genesis or autofit, which was what made studio4 the game changer. Yes Studio 4 has gotten updates; for free, but I don't see where they have improved what I used studio for. I used studio 4 for what wasn't in carrara for using genesis. Mostly the selectable uvmapping. Now I was quite happy when C8.5b got the update so DUF worked to get dynamic clothing sims from studio to carrara for staging. Problem is something happen to the optitex dynaimc sim and the dynamic clothing does not work nearly as well as it did in DS3. I think I was up to 24-28 trys and still nothing usable in the end.

I have said it before (and had my posts deleted when others started supporting my comments) and I'll say it again. Genesis is an interesting piece of technology, but it was a step made way too soon. We should have had a V5 that was at the least a V4 with all the fixes (Many of which can be bought at Rendo) and some other innovations that could have been run natively to DS and Carrara. I twould have created less confusion and help avoid the split in the market we are now dealing with. DAZ would have made good money on the improved figure from clothing, poses. etc.

Also, DAZ could have tested it's weight mapping by creating a Weight Mapped Vicky, like the one for Poser.

We should just NOW be getting Genesis 1. This way they could have taken their time and gotten it right instead of having to contend with angry people whose autofits didn't work, etc. They might have been able to avoid the costly Poser/Daz split that happened or at least made the split less painful.

Quote - It seems DAZ has turned to PAs to provide work arounds for the issues in autofit and genesis, then charging us for said work arounds. So why fix the issues when people will pay for a work around. Even the next step in genesis, one that fixes many of the issues with genesis, was done by a PA, not DAZ. There are morphs out now that are workarounds for the issues with autofit, and DAZ is charging you for them, rather then fixing autofit. There is no profit in fixing the issues, there is a profit in selling you the workarounds. See my tirade on the carraracafe about encouraging incompatence.

That does seem like a dodgy business practise. The CarraraCafe is kind of hard for me to navigate from this computer. I'll have to look at your tirad later.

Quote - Thanks for way over pricing the C8.5 update DAZ, you have saved me money I can spend elsewhere. As in Lisa is my favorite organics artest. I have a lot of lisa's botanicals, and want more, but she isn't at DAZ now. One of the things I see lacking in many pitures, and I usually add as details to an outdoor scene, is birds. Ken isn't with DAZ any more ether; and I want his shore birds pack. Hell if Stefan and Jack took thier content out of DAZ, I'd have little reason to shop there; at least for big ticket items. Seems most everything else at DAZ I might want is in the $3 bin.

I like Lisa's stuff, but don't use it very often (hard to believe she's gone). I don't have Ken's birds. I'm not even sure if they work in Carrara or not.

Stefan and Jack are two I put to work often. Nightshift, GoFigure, Posermocap, DzFire and a handful of others are my reason for being there these days. I hope they don't lose anymore vendors.

I like the $2 bin stuff, but they really screwed that whole thing up with the "value" category where price goes up after a couple weeks. It didn't force me to spend more money. It forces me to decide whether I want something now or let it go forever. A lot of us came out against this bad move, but we were shouted down by the cheerleaders and moderated into submission.

Quote - What can I say. I'm an insomniac. In 5 days I managed to get a bit less then 20 hours of sleep; 16-18. Finally got a good solid 5 lastnight, so feeling good today.

You too? Yeah, insomnia is a bitch. I got a dodgy 3 hours last night, so I'm trying to figure out how to steal some energy from Dartanbeck.

"we were shouted down by the cheerleaders and moderated into submission".

Yes, that seems to be the way of DAZ now.

All I have for birds is the songbird remix http://hivewire3d.com/songbird-remix.html . Nice for common birds but I'd like to have Ken Gilliland's bundles from hivewire. I could have used  http://hivewire3d.com/songbird-remix-seabirds-2.html? for that last piece and http://hivewire3d.com/songbird-remix-shorebirds-wading-birds.html would be nice for this swamp scene I'm working on now.

I'm also using lisa's cattails and a few other grasses for the swamp area, and carrara tress in the back ground, in the scene I am working now.

I've been a short, light, uneasy sleeper since I was a kid. Runs in the family. 6 hours is a great nights sleep for me. As a kid bed time was 9PM. If I go to bed at 9PM I'm up at 3AM. If I got up to play I was in trouble, so I layed in bed and read a lot as a kid. Got a nephew that is the same way, but he gets up at 3AM goes in the living room and turns on the TV.

Part of the reason I drank so much in my 20's was so I could go to and stay asleep for a while.

Looks like Holly has been working on the carrarcafe, y'all might want to check it. I've got a few really embarising rants there as well as what I am up to now.

You think I'm kidding when I say put a woman on the job? DAZ could benefit by putting more woman on the job; women do good work and men will work harder to show off.

http://carraracafe.com/carrara-8-5-pro-is-out-time-limited-upgrade-price-is-85-5-includes-v5m5-pro-bundles-too/

$85.50 my lilly white Tshirt I like to ware the the weather cools down.

Everybody always overlooks that extra 24 and some change they have to pay to get that AWESOME 85.50. Unless, of course, you're already in the PC.

I just can't see how paying 25 bucks so I can get something for 85.50 is a good deal when I think the 85.50 itself is too much. Maybe I'm just getting old.

Well, in The pC cl;ub, you get a free model every month for 12 months that you never knew you didn't want :) And you get a voucher for 6 dollars that you can spend hours of enjoyment trying to figure out what you can buy that you never bought before because your need for it is still the same :)

 

Now don't forget to vote for Manstan in the challenge!

Seriously, the PC club isn't that bad..... if only I wanted some of the stuff they sell .... :(

:)

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If I join the Pclub I wont have enough left to get the .5 update, so it sort of defeats the purpose lol.

what we need is Daz to set up a loan account where they charge you a nominal rate of interest say 25 percent to borrow money to buy their things :)

but seriously, they should employ you as the 8.5 consultant to advise purchasers of said update on how to use it .....

 

Actually I am still under NDA with DAZ. I was a DAZ alpha tester for Hex 2.5. But that was a while back.

Quote - Well, in The pC cl;ub, you get a free model every month for 12 months that you never knew you didn't want :) And you get a voucher for 6 dollars that you can spend hours of enjoyment trying to figure out what you can buy that you never bought before because your need for it is still the same :)

 

Now don't forget to vote for Manstan in the challenge!

Seriously, the PC club isn't that bad..... if only I wanted some of the stuff they sell .... :(

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Wow! I stopped being a PC member for those very reasons. Amazing. :)

And, btw, I'm finally able to post at DAZ. I voted. It was harder than I thought it would be. Lots of great images there.

http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/28750/

Some one might want to check C8.5 but after it finally importing an aniblock in C8.1 I found out it wont import aniblocks back to back. As in it just over lays the previous. I'm still sort of playing with it, but it seems fairly worthless to me, I supose I could convert to NLA and make a library that way.

Quote - Still can't post over at the DAZ forums. Bizarre. You don't think they banned me when I wasn't looking? Keep coming across posts I want to reply to, and I can't. Sad. :(

I had issues like this, using Firefox.

Try this:

1. log out if you're logged in

2. go to the store, http://daz3d.com/ or whatever

3. Log In, then try to post

After this I was able to use the forum as normal, but it would periodically boot me out and I'd have to do this again. This hasn't happened in a while though; now it occasionally gives me cloudflare errors which go away if I relogin...

Appreciate the help.

The 'problem' seemed to fix itself. I can post now.

I will keep this in mind the next time this occurs.

Thanks.

Quote - I like Lisa's stuff, but don't use it very often (hard to believe she's gone). I don't have Ken's birds. I'm not even sure if they work in Carrara or not.

My birds will work in Carrara, but some of them might take a little work.  The most common issues are addressed in my Songbird ReMix FAQ.

Birds are the most common wildlife experience we have on a daily basis.  Without trying to sound too self-serving, I'm surprised how many renders (particularly landscapes) I see that are birdless.  I have a fairly extensive Bird wiki that shows what birds I created by region and type.

Songbird ReMix

But no bats? The most common mammal in the world.

Right now I'm working on this swamp scene from hell, lol. It just keeps getting bigger, with more figures, and more replicators. I needed marsh birds, I'm using a poor fake redwing black birds , and some static cranes and ducks; well crain and duck.

The song bird remix is one of my most used animals. Look at it this way, if you were walking through the park and nether saw, nor heard any birds, wouldn't you be freaked out

Ooooo. Yes! A collection of bats would be awesome.

Could some one tell sbilf that those smart prop wings are not going to work on genesis in carrara 8.5.  http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/28851/

I gripped some time back about smart props vanishing from Genesis while posing. Same for "hair" hair. Anything that goes in to the genesis tree when loaded, wont stay on genesis when posing.

A "known issue" not on the list; like oh so many others.

manley, if you want something added to the known issues thread at DAZ you can PM me here, and I'll post your message attributed to a "manly anonymous contributor" or something :)

I'd rather someone with a better rep test to confirm and turn it in

I don't know what you're saying -- it seems mildly insulting, something about my reputability or lack thereof? -- but I'll just take it as a "no thank you" and respond with "Okay" :P

No I mean some one with a far better rep then mine, like you

Okay, my bad. Dunno about my reputation, but then I have so much personal stuff clouding my judgment lately that it's probably best to try not to worry about such things too much :P

Quote - Okay, my bad. Dunno about my reputation, but then I have so much personal stuff clouding my judgment lately that it's probably best to try not to worry about such things too much :P

Araneldon

Your reputation with DAZ can't help but be better than Stan's (no offence Stan).

They probably have Stan's picture posted at the guard's shack with a note saying "Shoot on Sight".

 

Quote - Lisa is my favorite organics artest. I have a lot of lisa's botanicals, and want more, but she isn't at DAZ now.

Stan

I found some organics over at RDNA. They are on sale. Go over and you might find something you like.

They are by a vendor named Judith. Here is one of her products...

http://www.runtimedna.com/Spring-Bulb-Series-Tulips.html

 

Lisa is at Hivewire. I've spoke with her in the chat; she's actually a chat mod.

And I love a chat

But what I need right now is realistic leaves for Carrara. Easy enough, I have trees, I have a scanner, I have a great app for making effects maps, now all I need is some ambition

http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/11112/

Some one tell GK to reinstall mimic. I had the very same issue on my last install of C8.1, reinstalling mimic fixed it.

It looks like GK's post was an old one resurrected by some unfortunate soul.

http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/29330/ photonprez

That is a new bug. I ran many lengthy physics tests, they all reloaded fine at the time, and played well. Still play well in C8.1.

Note, that is double click to open. I have had issues with softcloth not loading with sim run; wouldn't load calculations{?} when I drag and dropped or imported to a scene.

http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/29367/

It's called "mixer" it's an option in the color channel of a shader. You can use the texture overly on the skin with the mixer.

There is also new in C8.5 the mixer shader that allows you to mix 2 shaders using a mixing or distribution map. Great for when you want a metalic shader with a nonmetalic shader. Say actual gold accences on clothes. Or say you want your poser figure to have a couple of gold teeth.

I jumped in there and passed some of that along for you.

Ya I may have had the name wrong, not like I can pop open C8. to check.

I'm going to assume they are talking about soemthing like this http://www.sharecg.com/v/60787/view/11/Poser/The-Easy-shader3 I've got this but it appears to be nothing more then alpha maps, so could be used in the color channel mixer to apply another texture.

http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/29414/

Man, DAZ desperatly needs me on the forum, their loss.

Carrara content can be installed anywhere. You just need to add the folder to the carrara browser just like a runtime. Besure to add it to the right heading.

The native content needs to be in the carrara app folder for the scene wizard to work, but non of the after market; like Howies scenes, need to go there.

Infact installing carrara some place other then the programs folder will save you securety issues with W7 and worse yet, W8.

It seems the biggest issue people are having with content is DIM.

http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/29417/

Been there, just use camera 1 and move it to the camera 2 position and use a descrete tweener to make the camera jump from position A to position B.

http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/29409/

Easy, carrara has no other option for skinning G1. If you want to use M4 skins you will have to run G1 through Studio and save out G1 with M4's uvmap.

But head morphs for V4 wont work on genesis.

 

http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/29424/

Go to your account and download fresh versions. This would giveyou the updated versions, if any of them had actually been updated. On your list C8.5 is the only updated app. C8.1 got an update to C8.1.1.12 from C8.1.1.8 but I can't recomend it, it doesn't work as well as C8.1.1.8. I have had very serious shader issues opening C8.1.1.8 scenes in C8.1.1.12.

http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/29383/

Just import the .obj from the geometry folder.

http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/29424/

Can some one please warn ribroast before he installs C8.1.1.12. Just drop him a link http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2872538 where I describe the issues with C8.1.1.12.

Quote - http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/29424/

Can some one please warn ribroast before he installs C8.1.1.12. Just drop him a link http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2872538 where I describe the issues with C8.1.1.12.

I pm'ed him the info.

Thanks, I'd like to help people avoid the issues I have with it.

People are coming up with some very elaborate wasy to do this, this is one camera one continues render. It's all in the tweener.

 

http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/29482/ No, next question.

you need to start a thread called "Ask Dr Stan" ! great idea about the tweener

That's one I beleive I got from 3DAGE. I was wondering how to do a shot with the camera going from behind an escaping hoover biker, to the cops on hoover bikes seeing him coming their way. 

But I have had some odd, yet consistent issues with tweeners and cameras. As in quit often rather then going from back to left 90, it goes right 270. So often you have to add keyframes to make sure the camera is tweening in the right direction, or not zooming out then back in while tweening.

Quote - you need to start a thread called "Ask Dr Stan" !

I'd sign up for that. "Dr. Stan! Assembly room, Stat!"

Quote - > Quote - you need to start a thread called "Ask Dr Stan" !

I'd sign up for that. "Dr. Stan! Assembly room, Stat!"

 

he he :) you know there is a new carrara animation site being set up

by ooseven , looks good , he left his email at the cafe if you want to test drive it

 

sounds like ask Dr Stan could be in several places.

stan you could also do video tuts like Cripeman !

 

You all are giving me far too much credit. There is a lot about carrara I still don't understand. I may only use 10% of the features regular, so it would be easy to stump me with a question.

Quote - You all are giving me far too much credit. There is a lot about carrara I still don't understand. I may only use 10% of the features regular, so it would be easy to stump me with a question.

Maybe so, but you're just stubborn enough to dive in and figure out the answer anyway. That's a trait of a good teacher.

Or a crazy person. :)

Either way, we need you o wise one.

Actually I am stuborn to a fault. Pure missouri mule ;)

Sounds fun till you realize I have gotten myself so frustrated through my own stuborness that I have given myself migranes.

But yes, I love to verifie isues and try to find solutions.

Now for your viewing pleasure one of nine cameras on "swamp a2b". This picture is just so unlike me. This is default settings except for HDRI. Yes, I need to work on the birds lol

 

Hey, that's pretty good.

I need to fix the bird replication. Cut the count to one third and add two more differently posed birds. They are a shader made redwing black bird based on Ken's songbirdremix.

They wont hold up to a close up but work fine here.

The replication surface is actualy the terrain, converted to vertex and inverted by using scaling. I wanted the birds close to the ground where there was the thickest brush. 

Sound like a good idea. The variation on the birds will go a long way toward realism. I think the birds add a nice feel to the scene.

I also like the lighting. Very romantic.

I'm trying to push myself on this one. It has gotten to the point where I usually loss interest. That WIP render was close to an hour and a half. Except for the HDRI, it is all default render settings. Note, that does not include all the precalculations before the render even started.

One of the greate things about this comp is I can render, and watch a show lol {not at hidef though}

Looking really good, Stan, excellent mood lighting.  I'm from the deep south (Georgia, right on the border of Florida) and this actually looks very much like the swampy lakes I used to near and go out canoing and swimming with gators in my boy scout days.

I lived on the south coast for 10 years. My X thought I was crazy for for putting on hipwaders to go look at "weeds", picture plants, sundews, and such.

But that scene just keeps growing. It started when I found creech http://www.yurdigital.com/catalog/1859-creech-stand-alone-poser-figure and got on to this 50's horror movie kick. Creech does give me problems, but is not imposable to work with lol Although I have been seriously considering dropping him for a morphed M4.

Once I get Ken's water birds I may take the swamp all nature. Add some wild life, maybe use it for several renders. But there is still a lot of work to do here. I haven't set any of the plant shaders, and am still looking for good, articulated, american fresh water fish. Although I can rig a fish.