Just spent a good portion of the night perusing Renderosity's Hair sale offerings., and I have to ask... does Rendo even KNOW the difference between actual hair and hair TEXTURES? There should be two separate and distinct categories  because it's darn confusing. Yes, it took me a while to learn a lesson I shouldn't have had to learn.

Hear hear, I agree.

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A valid argument or just splitting hairs :)

Ditto.  Should be separate categories for actual hair, hair color sets, and hair-fit or similar pose thingums.

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Seriously, though.  There are too many hair-related products and Ockham's suggestion is a good start.

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The present display is somewhat absurd and nearly useless.  However a way to sorta isolate hair geometries is to sort highest to lowest price.

Still - there are too many items.  It should be broken up into smaller batches - each for however many days - provided in sequence.

Don't know if it will do any good, but I just went to the "Welcome to Renderosity Forum" and left a suggestion  to separate them into two different categories.

Absolutely!

I totally agree. Hair models and hair colours should be separate categories.

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The same is true for clothing and clothing textures. Half the time the textures go to a set of clothes that aren't even sold here, with no links or info on where they are sold, so have to break out google or search the other stores just to see if its actually something worth investing in. Very annoying. 

 

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Maybe this actually means something.  If the texture is actually hair... umm.  I'm going to go shave my head, then color my scalp with a magic marker.  See if it qualifies as hair.  :unsure:

I didn't come in here to say that.  I wanted to note that this sort of confusion, involving the texture being conflated with or confused with the object to be textured, is also prevalent in the Free Stuff.  Over and over, I've thought I was downloading some amazing freebie model, only to find that it was merely a texture for a vendor product I didn't have.  It gets confusing.  :lol:

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Forget who said that, but it is so true.

Online stores don't have the option of putting the dairy isle farthest from the door.

If it is hard to find what you are looking for, chances are better than good that people will shop elsewhere.

If it was arranged like a traditional walk in store, it probably would have been changed ages ago.

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Actually I was looking for a specific type of hair set. I did find it, but the problem is that there are like fifteen to twenty texture sets for it. Some of them were easy to dismiss, some not so much.

Maybe Renderosity has changed the way it gives refunds, but the last time I bought something i didn't want I had to ask the vendor if it was alright or something like that. That's why shopping at Rendo takes me a while, I don't want to have to do that again.

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Lumping everything together generates more sales.

The promos for the add-on textures double as promos for the actual hair. So, if a customer browses through the hair category, he actually sees the same hair product multiple times.

And that means a greater chance for both Rendo and the merchant to make a sale.

But if one doesn't bother to browse because there are 34 pages of "hair" on sale, neither the hair nor the textures are seen....

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Quote - Lumping everything together generates more sales.

The promos for the add-on textures double as promos for the actual hair. So, if a customer browses through the hair category, he actually sees the same hair product multiple times.

I think you make a good point here, and it's also possible that a hair prop might look more appealing in an add-on promo than it does in the original promo (better render, prettier character etc) so you might end up buying it because of a texture add on.

Whether that's true or not, shopping for hair currently takes way too much effort. You can't go looking for what you want, you just have to start picking through the heap and hope that you find something nice before you get bored/frustrated and give up.

At the very least it would be a big help if there was a standardized stamp across the corner of the thumbnail, "Tex" if it's a texture add-on, and "Hair" if it's a hair prop.

My other pet peeve with hair shopping is so many hair prop products with no view showing what the back looks like. Plenty of views from the front with different shaped pixie ears and eye colors and different pouty lips, but not a single shot of the hair from the side or the back. Product Submission Guidelines clearly state: "One of the allowed images must include a front, back and side view unless not appropriate." How is a back view of an updo 'not appropriate'? I would say it is essential, so why does a product get passed without it?

sometimes the same with clothing promos - no backs shown.  very annoying.

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sometimes the same with clothing promos - no backs shown.  very annoying.

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Yeah, they do the same there with Textures and meshes too.

think when someone makes a texture (no matter what for)

there SHOULD be a link to the item the texture is for

Quote - think when someone makes a texture (no matter what for)

there SHOULD be a link to the item the texture is for

I think there is... WHEN the item is sold in the store.

Huh? Correct me if I'm wrong but AFAIK there is a distinction between hair models and textures:

You can select :dept-> hair->female/male/kids/toon->models/textures/dynamic->long/middle/short-> any figure you like...

It's been there for a while now and also for other items like clothes.

I think it's a huge improvement, because you had to wade indeed through hundreds of textures before you found the model you wanted.

I have always wondered why there is such a difference between modelers and texturers, it suppose it's a leftbrain/rightbrain issue, but that would be a different topic.

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Well Rosity just had a hair sale and they mixed in hair textures and meshes. I think I waded through about 35 pages or so, and still didn't find my hair style that I wanted. It wasn't on sale. I bought it anyway, just took a while to find it.

I think the responsibility of advertising honestly is on the vendor's shoulders. They should mark their products clearly and prominently as hair or hair textures, clothing or clothing textures, etc. But I also agree that perhaps Renderosity should encourage them to mark their products clearly so that customers aren't confused.

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its easy..
textures shoud be labeled "hair texture"

hair should be .."hair model" or whatever.  

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Bopper, yes there is a way to sort.  A way that does not work.  I too agree completely with OP.  It at least has not increased, but reduced sales in that area to me.  I don't look for hair here unless I'm desperate.  And then yes, I have to do a lot of checking and double checking to ensure I'm buying what I think I'm buying.

More than once I've bought texture sets for something thinking I was buying the model. This has been in the past.  Because of that I would then buy the model too rather than go through the hassle of asking for a refund.  (Which IS a hassle).  Now I weigh the decision to buy way more thoroughly and I don't always have time for that.

In a real store, when I pick up a gallon of milk, I know darn well it's a gallon of milk.  If I do however get home and find it is orange juice and they just packaged it to look like milk, I can return it, no sweat.  

Another one that annoys me is I would love to be able to sort through character sets that include all the human textures or not.  Hate having to look through all the pages just to discover if it comes with plumbing textures.  

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Sorry,  I didn't notice it was a sale the OP mentioned. I also once bought the textures when I thought it was the model: very irritating. Also very annoying: sales or "freebies" are very often textures, so if you like it, you have to buy the model as well. merchandisching at its best!

But perhaps it's my own frustration: I'm often searching for a particulair kind of hairstyle and when I find somehing I like and I realize it's a texture I get mad especially when the model is from another site or even worse, no longer available.

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