No clue about the other forums, but activity here must be at an all time low....

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I don't think it is, people are definitely buying more content, at least where I'm at. What I think is happening though is the overall negativity where certain dead horse topics were posted over and over... and were allowed to fester with misinformation and personal attacks, unmoderated, until they boil over and get locked. That drove a lot of people away that were looking for information on how to use the software, get tips or just have a nice conversation.

So they're just buying the content and avoiding the forum altogether.

This forum has not been too busy for a while but there is plenty of activity at other poser sites.

RDNA seems as good as dead too.

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pperhaps there are more things working now so we don't have as many questions, and perhaps it is also because we're not allowed to mention great sales at other sites anymore.

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i was feeling the absense of some of the crowd just the other day, like Les Bentley (smoking goblin?). haven't read LaurieA around lately, or millighost, ...

it does feel harder to find helpful advices when you're not on the latest and greatest versions of poser.

turn off ic? whah? lol

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maaybe Les is in the vue forum?

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Quote - pperhaps there are more things working now so we don't have as many questions, and perhaps it is also because we're not allowed to mention great sales at other sites anymore.

you mean like the DAZ3D March Madness sale going on right now at _____.com? tee hee

David5Pro bundle is on sale today. and i have no money today *woes.

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didn't know there was one. I haen't tried genesis in poser lately to know if it is useable. Last time I tried some months ago it was way too slow.

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Funny thing about Genesis, I recently installed Genesis/Genesis2 and experienced the dreadful library slow down whenever I loaded either figure. After spending a couple on nights thinking about it, I changed my PP2014 Library settings to external (utilizing Adobe Air rather than Flash) and the software picked itself right up to its old self. This is under WinXP 32bit environment Go figure.

As for myself, it's that conversations have become so specialized, centering on and around figures that I don't use (Genesis, V4, and the very latests Posers), that there is little reason to join in!

Does anybody still use Posette, or Judy? If not, then there is nothing for me to talk about!

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it doesn't help i can only be on this forum a few minutes at a time from my dayjob.

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finally figured out the IP address is my dayjob's firewall.

this is the only forum i have this problem.

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Hey, hello David? ? ?

Glad to hear from you.
Long time no see man.

yeah, Gene, Dawn, V4 and Rex and Roxie.

Posette and Judy are out of the picture.

Do you use Judy also?
I thought your main figure was Posette.

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I use everything except the Genesis stuff. Legacy figures back to Poser 4 and Victoria 2, through all the versions up to and including V4, Dawn and some others from independent vendors.

It's not a dying art for me. I am just finding my feet and putting Poser to work - it is finally becoming part of my real world and not a separate hobby activity. Need an image? Make it in Poser. Need an item for an image? Make it in Blender. Nope, alive and well.

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I still use Posette often, and Judy occasionally. (See attached Posette snip)

The hobby isn't dead for me; I now have six used rack-mount server blades for use as render slaves. They each have dual HyperThreaded hex-core processors (24 rendering threads each!)

But I have been busy plowing snow with one or the other of my rock crawler Jeeps, and shoveling walks and porch steps for my parents, my aunt, and some neighbors.

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> Quote - Hey, hello David? ? ? > > Glad to hear from you. > Long time no see man. > > yeah, Gene, Dawn, V4 and Rex and Roxie. > > Posette and Judy are out of the picture. > > Do you use Judy also? > I thought your main figure was Posette.

@vilters;

Shalom my friend, it's good to hear from you too! Long time no see, because I really didn't have all that much to say! I remapped Judy too, to take V3 skins, and since she comes with a ready made wardrobe, just like Posette, she's become my 2nd figure of choice! I like Judy's more full bodied figure, and have used her in several of my renders! I especially like the morphed figures developed from her by Ken1.

As fpr Gene, Dawn, Rex, & Roxie, I've never heard of those! V4 I don't like too much, as it's too high density for my taste. If and when I DO use Poser, it's Poser 7, and Poser Pro 10. But as I said, the conversations here have become way too complex and specialized for me to take part anymore.

yours truly,

dph

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I haven't been around much the last few months cause I've felt like crap. And when I'm not feeling like crap I'm working on commissions and other projects to pay the bills. But I usually still lurk if only to keep up to date on what's going on, which has been nothing lately.

I don't think the diminishing forum activity has as much to do with debates or arguments as it does with competition. There have always been heated debates that spring up, on topics new and old, and it rarely had any affect on how much activity continued in the forums. But that was back when there was little to no competition with Poser, and that's not the case anymore.

Poser's popularity has always been content-driven. So it only makes sense that without new, cutting-edge, quality content to compete with everything else that's available, its bound to diminish in popularity as people migrate over to where the new shinies are.

Where is the content that utilizes all of Posers newest features? The way I see it, without some serious effort on SMs part to put resources into some major content development that rivals its competition, the silence around the various Poser forums is just going to continue to grow. The best they currently have to offer is Rex and Roxie. They've been out for nearly a year now, but SM's own site doesn't even offer much of anything in the way of content for them. 3 or 4 items? Business suits seems to be the only official content they've done. In a year. Nothing official for developers to use to make character sets, nothing.

So yeah, pretty much I think that's why the two biggest Poser forums are mostly crickets chirping lately. And this isn't intended to start another debate, it's just an honest observation. Poser needs new content. Without it, its users go elsewhere.

~Shane

Plus so far as new Poser figures go often they're only available with Poser. That's a lot more limiting than the Daz figures that you could always just go and buy, or get for free. So although I use Poser 2012 I don't have access to Rex and Roxie unless I upgrade.

It's got a lot quieter round here since the discussion of new and potential new figures died down, but I'm sure it's just cyclic and something will start up the discussions again.

Quote - Poser needs new content. Without it, its users go elsewhere.

~Shane

Good luck with that. Depending on vendors is an exercise in futility.

From what I have seen and heard from vendors over the past decade, they aren't interested in "new" anything; they just want to continue to make variations of what they have made before.

What is worse, vendors have sown the seeds of their own destruction by taking a "I'm an artist, I only make what I am interested in." attitude towards the potential customer base. They have no interest in making content for any figure not named V4. Herein lies the problem.....

My V4 Clothing runtime is over 51Gb, why should I buy your new hookerware? What does it do better?

My V4 figure runtime is over 25Gb, why should I buy your new 20 year old white girl - that looks just like the last half dozen that you have released?

My Hair runtime is almost 35Gb, what makes yours better than what I already have?. (In the case of 3Dreams Master Skull Cap series, the answer is "I got character fits for every figure you have ever heard of, and quite a few that you haven't." - Which is why I am buying them all.

So, just what should I be buying? Genesis? Characters - over 90% of them are young Caucasian girls - don't need those (See V4 above). The only vendor I know of that has made more than 1 or 2 ethnic characters for the golum is Male3dia. Clothing for the golum is the same as V4, hookerware, high medieval fantasy & SF fantasy. Been there, got that already.

Non-Daz figures? If vendors refuse to support a figure, I put the fitting room to work, and the money that the vendor could have gotten goes to dollarshaveclub.com

SM's response to vendors ignoring any figure not named V4 was adding the fitting room to Poser. Ruh-Roh, Shaggy.

This is why I have invested in products like Netherworks Hair Control System, Batch Material Converter, and products like Texture Transformer & Texture Converter 1 & 2. I am also busy with Poser web seminars, where I can learn more about how to make content. I am looking to leverage content I already own, because vendors don't want to make content for any figure not named V4.

In addition to this, every month I add vendors to my "DO NOT BUY FROM" list because of their aggressive unwillingness to let Poser 4 & DOS go.

Why? Because I am tired of having to spend anywhere from 15 minutes to a couple of hours unscrewing products that I have purchased. My mantra is "If you make your products hard to use, I am less likely to buy from you in the future."

Quote - > Quote - Poser needs new content. Without it, its users go elsewhere.

~Shane

Good luck with that. Depending on vendors is an exercise in futility.

From what I have seen and heard from vendors over the past decade, they aren't interested in "new" anything; they just want to continue to make variations of what they have made before.

What is worse, vendors have sown the seeds of their own destruction by taking a "I'm an artist, I only make what I am interested in." attitude towards the potential customer base. They have no interest in making content for any figure not named V4. Herein lies the problem.....

My V4 Clothing runtime is over 51Gb, why should I buy your new hookerware? What does it do better?

My V4 figure runtime is over 25Gb, why should I buy your new 20 year old white girl - that looks just like the last half dozen that you have released?

My Hair runtime is almost 35Gb, what makes yours better than what I already have?. (In the case of 3Dreams Master Skull Cap series, the answer is "I got character fits for every figure you have ever heard of, and quite a few that you haven't." - Which is why I am buying them all.

So, just what should I be buying? Genesis? Characters - over 90% of them are young Caucasian girls - don't need those (See V4 above). The only vendor I know of that has made more than 1 or 2 ethnic characters for the golum is Male3dia. Clothing for the golum is the same as V4, hookerware, high medieval fantasy & SF fantasy. Been there, got that already.

Non-Daz figures? If vendors refuse to support a figure, I put the fitting room to work, and the money that the vendor could have gotten goes to dollarshaveclub.com

SM's response to vendors ignoring any figure not named V4 was adding the fitting room to Poser. Ruh-Roh, Shaggy.

This is why I have invested in products like Netherworks Hair Control System, Batch Material Converter, and products like Texture Transformer & Texture Converter 1 & 2. I am also busy with Poser web seminars, where I can learn more about how to make content. I am looking to leverage content I already own, because vendors don't want to make content for any figure not named V4.

In addition to this, every month I add vendors to my "DO NOT BUY FROM" list because of their aggressive unwillingness to let Poser 4 & DOS go.

Why? Because I am tired of having to spend anywhere from 15 minutes to a couple of hours unscrewing products that I have purchased. My mantra is "If you make your products hard to use, I am less likely to buy from you in the future."

Unfortuately this doesn't mean much as vendors will only make what people will buy and use. So you can't put it really on the vendors. People want sexy clothing, vendors will continue making it. People want ethnic characters? Well vendors would make more if they actually sold as well as the others. Vendors still using old formats? Yeah, maybe it's because a good chunk of people are still using older version of Poser, so they're maximizing their sales to reach those people that haven't upgraded.

Which really goes back to Ambientshade said... content drives sales. You want people to upgrade, then you need to give them content that uses the new features and formats. You don't, then they'll stay where they're at. Using converters doesn't cause the majority to upgrade and definitely doesn't drive sales... and when you don't have sales, no one makes what you want.

It is true, unfortunately bad people as (names deleted by moderator) and many others who scream at the sky "I do not use Poser" but always say about him. they have been successful of distorting the forum, creating conflicts attacking and molesting people who do not use their software and no moderator hit them a kick in the ass, on the other hand is not very nice to spend some time to write some input and that after that entry disappears, things like this eventually takes away the desire to come and participate

Read it before it is deleted in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ......

Aldebran40, if there are people in the forum who annoy you, just use the Ignore button. A lot of people lobbied real hard for it. I find it makes the forums much more pleasant if one uses it sparingly to adjust a thread's signal-to-noise ratio.

I don't think that the activity in the forum can accurately reflect how much art is being produced in 3D software Poser or otherwise. Thise that use forums are always only a small part of those using the software. I do think some of the flame wars and personal attacks did mean some people left the forum but that is my own personal view. I did not like many of the posts but I have found by using the ignore button on two contributers has had a mojor impact on that.

I check in on the forum most days but mainly to lurk rather than post. That has partly to do with my limited expereince of Poser, so there a few subjects I can help on.

I am happy to talk about my use of Poser and setup if I think others may find the information useful, if only to decide my way is not the way to go.

Mind you, most the time I am on the forum is when I am waiting for a render to finish.

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Quote - I don't think that the activity in the forum can accurately reflect how much art is being produced in 3D software Poser or otherwise. Thise that use forums are always only a small part of those using the software...

Indeed. People who post regularly in the Forums are the rounding error of the number of users out there...

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Quote - > Quote - I don't think that the activity in the forum can accurately reflect how much art is being produced in 3D software Poser or otherwise. Thise that use forums are always only a small part of those using the software...

Indeed. People who post regularly in the Forums are the rounding error of the number of users out there...

But if everyone brings a friend to the forums, we could possibly reach the goal of being 1%ers. (Of a sort, maybe).

Most my friends do not understand my art work, or why I do it, and think, because I buy content, it is all very easy. I guess that is why I do look at the forums just to make sure I am not the only one playing with Poser and the like. Mind you, those that do not understand computers think what I do is PFM, Pure Flipping Magic.

I use Poser 13 on Windows 11 - For Scene set up I use a Geekcom A5 - Ryzen 9 5900HX, with 64 gig ram and 3 TB storage, mini PC with final rendering done on normal sized desktop using an AMD Ryzen Threadipper 1950X CPU, Corsair Hydro H100i CPU cooler, 3XS EVGA GTX 1080i SC with 11g Ram, 4 X 16gig Corsair DDR4 Ram and a Corsair RM 100 PSU . The desktop is in a remote location with rendering done via Queue Manager which gives me a clearer desktop and quieter computer room.

While my first post was a general remark, for the general slow down of this and RDNA's Poser forum, I see a lot of new and older members posting.

Posering from Poser1, and having been on the older and newer renderosity, I have never seen so few "new" topics a day.

Lately there have been days with NO new topics at all between me going to bed and getting up in the morning. (Central European time) That has never happened before.

OK, we are in an "in between period", Poser10 and PP2014 being out for some time now.

But? ? what wonders me most.

Some users are digging back into older rooms and asking questions. (face & hair rooms from 2006)

But the "new" features, like the fitting room, or the physics, or subd, get hardly any attention at all and questions are extremely rare and far between.

I do see some new "freestuff" releasers, I see some new vendors on the road, but all in all, it is extremely calm these last weeks -months.

And?
I also see a lot of users with older Poser versons. ( Doing great things BTW. )

Thanks for all your input. And thank you all for the mature answers.

Happy Posering,
Tony

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DAZ basically split with Poser, and I was moving into Blender anyway.
Plus I didn't like how DAZStudio changed to move away from Poser compatibility.

I have a HUGE investment in V3M3 family of figures, and felt no need or desire to move to V4M4.
Genisis went Crazy with the DSON stuff.

At this point I can model a figure from scratch in less time than it would take me to figure all the polotics and treaties involved with making everything work togther in Poser/Daz, and I can use that figure however I want with no fear of violating some one's TOS.

So between my growing more advanced, their growing apart, we just outgrew each other.

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3d hobby = growth business here. guys renting out 3d printers, making money, hanover fist. but don't try printing NVITWS on those genl. public not receptive to that.

Quote - But the "new" features, like the fitting room, or the physics, or subd, get hardly any attention at all and questions are extremely rare and far between.

Happy Posering,
Tony

Well, as someone who uses those new features in 2014, I trumpet them at every opportunity. The only thing I could ask for with respect to the fitting room is for Lyrra to make fitting room magnets for more figures. They make a 10 minute job a 2 minute job. Subdivision is another tool I use at every opportunity. It, along with the improved weight mapping makes legacy figure new again.

If anyone is sitting on the fence, come on in, the water is fine.

Quote - I don't think it is, people are definitely buying more content, at least where I'm at. What I think is happening though is the overall negativity where certain dead horse topics were posted over and over... and were allowed to fester with misinformation and personal attacks, unmoderated, until they boil over and get locked. That drove a lot of people away that were looking for information on how to use the software, get tips or just have a nice conversation.

So they're just buying the content and avoiding the forum altogether.

I don't think there's an overwhelming amount of negativity, dead horse topics or not. Some of the people who were responsible for much of the alleged negativity still lurk around and they come out in full force whenever someone starts one of their favorite type of threads. You know who they are for the most part because you never see them posting unless it's to say something negative. You rarely, if ever, see them posting to ask a question or give an answer. Or to post a simple off topic comment just for fun. Others simply have gone to other forums. I know of several people who use to post here all the time who have moved almost exclusively over to the Hivewire forum. You rarely see them post here anymore unless the subject of Dawn comes up. I only tend to lurk there myself, and even then only occasionally. But then, I don't use Dawn, and I don't use Genesis, so I'm rarely over at the DAZ forums either.

Hornet3d said:

"Most my friends do not understand my art work, or why I do it, and think, because I buy content, it is all very easy. I guess that is why I do look at the forums just to make sure I am not the only one playing with Poser and the like. Mind you, those that do not understand computers think what I do is PFM, Pure Flipping Magic"

I so agree. Mostly I get a blank look from people when I show my Poser work to them. They just can't relate to it. That is why I come here.

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Tony,

I think we are just hitting a slow time (and yes it has been slow for a while).

People have been sick - a LOT of them. Many of those same people have gotten sick, recovered and got sick all over again. I got the flu, recovered, and immediately got Bronchial Pneumonia. Sucks. Felt like I was breathing shards of glass. I'm not the only one by any stretch.

There has been several spurts of horrible weather here in the U.S and its been going on since December. Cold flashes, cold fronts, weather knocking out power, breaking water lines, all of that. We JUST got our hot water back on after 3 days without and we live in the deep south. If a single snowflake falls here, folks act like armageddon is coming.

I have been working on a lot of projects and tending to comment more in private areas. I don't show WIPs any more for the most part. I wait until cusp of release.

When I'm not burning the midnight oil, I'm playing a game or modding a game to break things up. I've posted here and there about it but not much response so I stopped because I fear it was making folks go to sleep.

Still excited about Poser and Posery things. Still doing Posery things. Exciting Posery things.

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The newer tools have been very welcome, I use them, especially the improvements to the morph brush. But I don't have a lot to say about them. They help me get the job done.

I am one of those exploring the hair room again, for these reasons:

It is underutilised because it has not been properly documented.
It is a real advantage for Poser users over other software.
Now that I have more control over it, I am having fun.
Stuff I make with the hair room can be used by any Poser user since version 5.
Dynamic hair is no longer slow to render on modern computers.

I'll also talk about it in the forums because I think people are unnecessarily scared of the hair room. If I can do it, anyone can. All you need is patience.

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Quote - The newer tools have been very welcome, I use them, especially the improvements to the morph brush. But I don't have a lot to say about them. They help me get the job done.

I am one of those exploring the hair room again, for these reasons:

It is underutilised because it has not been properly documented.

It is a real advantage for Poser users over other software.

Now that I have more control over it, I am having fun.

Stuff I make with the hair room can be used by any Poser user since version 5.

Dynamic hair is no longer slow to render on modern computers.

I'll also talk about it in the forums because I think people are unnecessarily scared of the hair room. If I can do it, anyone can. All you need is patience.

Frankly, i'm glad you do. While I've had no time to explore the hair room more fully, it was your thread that told me they hair room had styling tools already. Who knew? and here I was asking for styling controls in the next version of Poser.

I dont post much, apologies, besides since i dont know how to use like 70% of the Poser commands/menus, most of the time i dont have much to add to any topic about Poser... yea, i procrastinate a lot...

Who finds a friend finds a treasure!

Quote - As for myself, it's that conversations have become so specialized, centering on and around figures that I don't use (Genesis, V4, and the very latests Posers), that there is little reason to join in!

Does anybody still use Posette, or Judy? If not, then there is nothing for me to talk about!

I am using the figure I feel like using at the moment ... old ones, new ones ... but I am lucky. I like Poser AND Dazstudio.

Judy, rendered in December 2013:

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=2498804&user_id=422036&np&np

a lot still here use others app's
but somes left for DAZ Studio ,Max ,zBrush etc etc.
it add's up.

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Quote - No clue about the other forums, but activity here must be at an all time low....

Maybe the awful site redesign was the final straw which caused some people to look for other places to hang out.

Hobby 3D isn't dying at all, but these forums have been for a while now. But if you think this section is bad, check out the Vue section, hardly anyone there at all.

After all these years perhaps we've just asked what we wante to ask, discussed what we wanted to discuss and it's time to move on?

For me it's just focuss.... I've just got less time to spent in the forums then I used to have, there are so many demands these days. Kids growing older, having grandkids, started my own business and all that comes with that, learning new technologies, expanding my art vision and toolbox. I also spent more time in the galleries, posting there, commenting on artworks, it's a bit of shift for me, going from the forums to the galleries.

I also find that most of the regular and simple questions have been answered and a lot of questions asked now are so specific that I wouldn't even know how to answer them at all. Some other things I don't dare to answer, since my solutions (while working fine) have ticked of some of the over-technical people, somehow making them angry and that didn't always ended well. So, I'll keep my mouth shut on purpose at times.... if people only want complex solutions fine with me.

Of course there's Hivewire.... if I have questions or want to participate in some discussion, I'll post there. I'm moving my store from here to Hivewire3D due to constant partially show to certain vendors by the store staff at the expense of others. Hivewire just is a lot friendlier site then this one is. Rendo somehow has become cold and unfriendly.

Adding it all up means less activity in the forums for me.

Artwork and 3DToons items, create the perfect place for you toon and other figures!

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?vendor=23722

Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(

Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk

Aeilkema, time after time I look at your stuff and think your toony style is really the best way to go with 3d art. I am too far committed to the semi-realism style.....But I love the simplicity and the storybook quality you get with your toons.

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Quote - Aeilkema, time after time I look at your stuff and think your toony style is really the best way to go with 3d art. I am too far committed to the semi-realism style.....But I love the simplicity and the storybook quality you get with your toons.

If I want realism I'll use a camera. You never see a person taking a picture with a camera to see how toony he can make it look.

I like BOTH Poser and Daz and am always open and interested to all new software. Also I am a long time user of forums in which I never in 20 years ever have had a warning. I'm happy at the Hivewire forum where I have become a CA, a long time ambition. But in this forum I already have had 3 warnings just for trying stave off the most negative crannies from the old school who bash people away from all things new loving to nitpick the most insignificant unimportant details. The combination of old school negativism and a Soviet Commissary moderator protecting them is deadly.

Quote - I like BOTH Poser and Daz and am always open and interested to all new software. Also I am a long time user of forums in which I never in 20 years ever have had a warning. I'm happy at the Hivewire forum where I have become a CA, a long time ambition. But in this forum I already have had 3 warnings just for trying stave off the most negative crannies from the old school who bash people away from all things new loving to nitpick the most insignificant unimportant details. The combination of old school negativism and a Soviet Commissary moderator protecting them is deadly.

What's a CA ?

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Even if you never know their name ,your know their Art.
Dark Sphere Mage Vengeance

CA=Contributing Artist

Outside of Poser-related communities, I've definitely noticed a slowdown. I used to have a large circle of aquaintences who used Poser or D|S, and now I rarely see new renders from the majority of them.

3D renders used to be infectious in my RP communities. One person would start posting images, others would want to know how to do it and jump on board with their own fledgling images, and we'd all share tips and tricks and how-to's. Now it seems if you're not actually sketching or drawing it, no one wants to see it.

I guess everything goes in cycles.

lady-morana.deviantart.com

The times demands to work heavily in order to manage life...i see this often and a lot...im working 12 hours a day on 3d stuff and have almost 0 time to post into forums..for what i have understand is that life has become more demanding than ever...

Quote - Aeilkema, time after time I look at your stuff and think your toony style is really the best way to go with 3d art. I am too far committed to the semi-realism style.....But I love the simplicity and the storybook quality you get with your toons.

Oh, thanks for the compliment :) I'm the other way around then you are, I'm so far into toons with Poser, that it's hard to me to break free from it. Even my realistic stuff somehow turns toony in Poser.

I do more realistic stuff as well, for that I do use Vue. When it comes to realism, Vue and I are just good a match as me with Poser and toons. I'm happy with having these 2 apps, when it comes to toon look, Vue can come close, but it can't beat Poser and I do think when it comes to realism it's the other way around.

Don't be fooled though by the simplistic looking toon style. People often think it's easy to accomplish, but in this case looks are deceiving :) It took me a while to get it all as I wanted it to be and with a lot of my sets I make sure the customer does get the same light sets I've used for it.

Quote - If I want realism I'll use a camera. You never see a person taking a picture with a camera to see how toony he can make it look.

Actually I do.... not kidding but I do take photographs with a toon filter on my mobile phone once in a while. Just to get a different perspective on things and see who I can use it in my 3D art. Not often, but there are times I do that. It's not something common to do though :)

Artwork and 3DToons items, create the perfect place for you toon and other figures!

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?vendor=23722

Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(

Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk

Forums in Rendo are not represative the characters that frequent them so those characters might be just not bothering. E.G. I saw a thumbnail in the gallery that looked interesting so I looked at the picture. It had a very long list of attributions to modellers so I copied the list and pasted it in comments and asked what the 'artist' had done for himself.

I receieved an email from Rendo' admin telling me they had deleted my commet because I was a troll.

This place is so bland that you canot even call a maker of porn a pornographer.

I don't come here much now.

luckybears, "I receieved an email from Rendo' admin telling me they had deleted my commet because I was a troll."

As you are trolling now. Poser/Daz content are in no danger don't confuse Poser content with this forum. Content is selling better than ever. And the future looks bright as you can pose you Poser content in Marvelous Designer and export to max,Maya & company.

Edit: I also observe that as usual with supercilious comments like that that the author has no gallery or portofolio anywhere so we can compare his stuff with Poser stuff.

I am burning up my computer generating renders for some stories I illustrate for friends. I don't have as much time to visit the forums as I used too. Working longer hours with a group of staff trying to help the company generate new sales and get growing again.

The ecoonomy isn't exactly stellar. Lots of layoffs announced the last 2 weeks here in the US: Radio Shack, Disney, Staples to name some big ones. I think the economy has to get better before the hobbiest flourish here again.

My 2 cents, less inflation (means it's not worth much)

Gary

"Those who lose themselves in a passion lose less than those who lose their passion"

Quote - Poser's popularity has always been content-driven. So it only makes sense that without new, cutting-edge, quality content to compete with everything else that's available, its bound to diminish in popularity as people migrate over to where the new shinies are. So yeah, pretty much I think that's why the two biggest Poser forums are mostly crickets chirping lately. And this isn't intended to start another debate, it's just an honest observation. Poser needs new content. Without it, its users go elsewhere.

I hear that alot, but I'll have to see SM's sales figures to fully believe it. I'd think having things like the fitting room, morphs transfers, EZskin etc. would increase sales of Poser itself while lessening users' dependence on content. Daz need to sell content because they give their program away, while Poser sales should spike whenever new features address users' needs. (I know I'm in the minority, I buy very little but always look forward to new features to let me rework/improve the quality of my older projects or to attempt what would have been previously too daunting.) If Poser sales are that dependent on content, I'd expect SM would push content more than they do.

Quote - I haven't been around much the last few months cause I've felt like crap. And when I'm not feeling like crap I'm working on commissions and other projects to pay the bills. But I usually still lurk if only to keep up to date on what's going on, which has been nothing lately.

I don't think the diminishing forum activity has as much to do with debates or arguments as it does with competition. There have always been heated debates that spring up, on topics new and old, and it rarely had any affect on how much activity continued in the forums. But that was back when there was little to no competition with Poser, and that's not the case anymore.

Poser's popularity has always been content-driven. So it only makes sense that without new, cutting-edge, quality content to compete with everything else that's available, its bound to diminish in popularity as people migrate over to where the new shinies are.

Where is the content that utilizes all of Posers newest features? The way I see it, without some serious effort on SMs part to put resources into some major content development that rivals its competition, the silence around the various Poser forums is just going to continue to grow. The best they currently have to offer is Rex and Roxie. They've been out for nearly a year now, but SM's own site doesn't even offer much of anything in the way of content for them. 3 or 4 items? Business suits seems to be the only official content they've done. In a year. Nothing official for developers to use to make character sets, nothing.

So yeah, pretty much I think that's why the two biggest Poser forums are mostly crickets chirping lately. And this isn't intended to start another debate, it's just an honest observation. Poser needs new content. Without it, its users go elsewhere.

~Shane

Could be, but I really think that two biggest Poser forums are mostly crickets chirping lately is due to control. I haven't visited DAZ for a long time now. They're just not too Poser friendly anymore and after banning other Vendors from their forums I had no reason to go there anymore. Here the Poser forum lately is controlled a bit too much for my taste as well. I see people who were active here gone to other places. RDNA has always been a dead place.

But I must say the new mods (while controlling perhaps a bit too much) are better then the old ones. They were very partial, often banning people who were the actual victims of others, while letting the causing party continue on and on. Also certain characters constantly calling troll troll troll was very annoying. At least that is much better now, but the life has gone as well and that's a shame.

Quote - Where is the content that utilizes all of Posers newest features?

Personally I don't see the need for doing so. I'm in a niche market and for that market stuff even needs to be working on old versions like Poser 6. Also V3 & V4 and their male counterparts are still very popular, so no changes there either. The newest figures like Dawn simply pass by the newest technology and the SM figures are ugly as ever, except for Miki perhaps.

As long as SM delivers crappy figures that will never change. SM should seriously sit down and have talk with Hivewire3D about figures for the next Poser version. But we know that's never going to happen and we all know that this whole so called Poser community coming together around Dawn died as soon as Hivewire3D opened their store and became competition for the others. I don't blame them, I wouldn't want to work together with Rendo and RDNA either. The only ones that can really make a difference here are SM and they haven't done it and I doubt they ever will.

Artwork and 3DToons items, create the perfect place for you toon and other figures!

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?vendor=23722

Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(

Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk

In terms of sales many sellers I know are saying it's a lot slimmer than usual. While thats not uncommon after xmas, I sense from this year the recovery period is longer as many folks are still struggling. But (based on freebie downloads) I wouldn't say theres any less interest in 3D, far from it. Where my freebies used to average 3-4GB a week now it's 6-7GB. Though I will agree the forums do seem less busy than usual. Not sure why, but I do feel those "lets blame the vendors" threads or attacks on freebie makers are not helping in anyway. Especially after the winter, where Joe rightly points out, a lot of folks have been ill. Get a few bugs like that and you don't feel burning the midnight anyway, let alone if you know your reward is likely to be some pratt who couldn't texture a cube even if you did for them. OK sure the majority of folks are great, but after a while the idiots do wear you down. Which is one reason why I've stopped releasing a weekly freebie. So it was nice to see basicwiz posting his thread about civility. Which I think will help and hopefully get more people back on the boards. As for products, yea Dawns nice enough but only if you have P9, same for the genesis stuff, and I hear from folks who like to see theres still stuff for V3/M3. So maybe the answer (product-wise) is not to think about new "super-figures" but to make stuff for the existing ones.

Pinky - you left the lens cap of your mind on again.

Quote - - "Where is the content that utilizes all of Posers newest features?"

Personally I don't see the need for doing so. I'm in a niche market and for that market stuff even needs to be working on old versions like Poser 6. Also V3 & V4 and their male counterparts are still very popular, so no changes there either. The newest figures like Dawn simply pass by the newest technology and the SM figures are ugly as ever, except for Miki perhaps.

I see it from a marketing/business perspective.

What's the point in adding all this new tech to the software when none of the content utilizes the tech?

That's like buying a brand new sports car and keeping it parked in the garage. What's the point?

The competition builds software that allows them to get more out of the content, and then builds content to utilize those new features.

Competitor forums are much more active than the Poser forums here or at RDNA, and their moderators have always ruled with iron fists. So what does that say?

But whatever. I'm not interested in debating the issue. I just stated how I see it.

~Shane

Quote - Edit: I also observe that as usual with supercilious comments like that that the author has no gallery or portofolio anywhere so we can compare his stuff with Poser stuff.

I don't know. I've been accused of trolling before and I don't have a gallery or portfolio and my profile is pretty much non-existant. I never bother, even when I posted mostly at DAZ. Anybody that wants to check out anything I've done is free to peruse the Freestuff here or check out my webcomics.

Quote - Personally I don't see the need for doing so. I'm in a niche market and for that market stuff even needs to be working on old versions like Poser 6. Also V3 & V4 and their male counterparts are still very popular, so no changes there either. The newest figures like Dawn simply pass by the newest technology and the SM figures are ugly as ever, except for Miki perhaps.

As long as SM delivers crappy figures that will never change. SM should seriously sit down and have talk with Hivewire3D about figures for the next Poser version. But we know that's never going to happen and we all know that this whole so called Poser community coming together around Dawn died as soon as Hivewire3D opened their store and became competition for the others. I don't blame them, I wouldn't want to work together with Rendo and RDNA either. The only ones that can really make a difference here are SM and they haven't done it and I doubt they ever will.

I swear i just don't get this train of thought that people have who want Poser to become a Studio clone just so they can run Genesis natively. I ask once again, why not just use Studio if you honestly believe that Poser sucks so much?

Also, while I can't defend the way Alyson2 looked, I don't think Roxie is ugly by any stretch of the imagination. Of course beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I used to think people were being facetious about that "Make Art" button, but I'm not so certain about that any more.

Quote - " - "Where is the content that utilizes all of Posers newest features?"

Well, I don't have anything which simultaneously uses every new feature, but I do have stuff which uses some new features in my freebies gallery. :P

As soon as P8/PPro2010 was released, I made a light-casting Lightsabre, Miri's treehouse, TinkerBell's drive-in Cafe', and the first elven skiff. For SSS, I have a jade mug and a candle. Galadriel's mirror uses every material room dirty trick in the book. Eldar house uses sequential JPEGs in the movie node (I think that was P9 SR3?) and matrices to animate materials. Xanadu has more IDL light-casting than you could shake a stick at. Ghostbusters used PPro2014's fitting room, matrix animated materials, sequential JPEG animation, gobs of IDL, and a refractive ghost. Kugelbahn is hilarious when soft body physics is used on the marbles. (Bullet physics gets blocked by the "concavity" bug).

I enjoy making these proof-of-concept freebies, but the downside is that they only work fully in the Poser version (or later) for which they were made.

Quote - ... I sense from this year the recovery period is longer as many folks are still struggling.

I think so also. My gallery is mostly just test renders/freebie promos. It might not be a good measure of my level of interest.

Poser 12, in feet.

OSes: Win7Prox64, Win7Ultx64

Silo Pro 2.5.6 64bit, Vue Infinite 2014.7, Genetica 4.0 Studio, UV Mapper Pro, UV Layout Pro, PhotoImpact X3, GIF Animator 5

politics and religion

Just cause some one say something you don't like does not mean you half to respond.
Your not changing there mind, philosophy or point of view.
There not changing your mind, philosophy or point of view.
So what is the point of responding. it's a endless battle that never ends ,ever.
If you fight these battles it's your chose but war is a heartless cold mistress.
& this is a Art forum if you want to battle it's a lot funnier in a GAME !!!

When 2 people argue.which one's the fool ?

I'm going to go watch Black Sails

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The Artist that will fight for decades to conquer their media.
Even if you never know their name ,your know their Art.
Dark Sphere Mage Vengeance

So why don't you puff off to black sails immediately then why do you have to stay and tell us that what we are discussing is uninteresting? In all other creative fields tools is a vibrant subject you should listen to orchestra musicians! Not only have we to stand overeager moderators who interfere 10x as much as they aught to do but also all those who harp again and again how uninteresting we all are and how boring this and that discussion is.

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or a control that makes possible the manipulation of prices

I still sometimes post here or read some stuff, but honestly as I have shifted much of my rendering and interest to Dawn, I spend most of my forum time at Hivewire. If there were more new Dawn content or discussion on Dawn related things over here I would probably post here more often.

I don't think the 3D art is dying at any rate, just fewer people posting in the forum.

"People who attempt define what art is or is not, are not artists"---Luminescence

Quote - I still sometimes post here or read some stuff, but honestly as I have shifted much of my rendering and interest to Dawn, I spend most of my forum time at Hivewire. If there were more new Dawn content or discussion on Dawn related things over here I would probably post here more often.

I don't think the 3D art is dying at any rate, just fewer people posting in the forum.

A point which I made earlier. A lot of people who used to post here all the time are now posting else where because their interests are elsewhere. I think the last time LROG Richard was here, was the last time the topic of Dawn came up. I don't use Genesis or Dawn, so I rarely post over at DAZ and almost never about Genesis and I don't think I've posted at Hivewire at all. Frankly, I'm fine with Poser and this forum.

Someone said it runs in cycles and that's a good point too. This year I haven't spent ALL my time in Poser. It's just healthier to balance it out a bit. I'm a lot fresher and have a better perspective on it and I'm not getting so hung up on things.

Also, I tend to read and not post too just because I feel that generally folks kind of glaze over what I write or I'm just an outsider or whatnot. shrug :)

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Dawn

For me it is totally incomprehensible. It is like when "people in the blockhouse is about to be overrun by the enemy and they have let all hope gone". And then comes a figure out of the sky precisely what you have hoped for -something that makes everything easier and that is of a far better quality than anything they previously had. And that has this additional trait that everything you do can be brought over to Daz and vice versa for free. And what do people do? They reject it! (along with all else new)

Madre Mia. "Fallen by own behalf" is what it is called. So don't complain.

To be honest, I'm actually spending way more time in the forum than I probably should. I actually spend more time in Blender than I do in Poser. Some of you wouldn't actually believe how many things I've made for Roxie, Kate, Ben and Miki 4 that I actually HAVEN'T released for various reasons, being on this forum being just one of them.

Quote - Dawn

For me it is totally incomprehensible. It is like when "people in the blockhouse is about to be overrun by the enemy and they have let all hope gone". And then comes a figure out of the sky precisely what you have hoped for -something that makes everything easier and that is of a far better quality than anything they previously had. And that has this additional trait that everything you do can be brought over to Daz and vice versa for free. And what do people do? They reject it! (along with all else new)

Madre Mia. "Fallen by own behalf" is what it is called. So don't complain.

Much of the complaints about Dawn, I've heard before... about V4 when she first came out. People want instant gratification and if they don't get it then they whine and complain. (Oooh, fox just crossed my parking lot). And then, there are some people who just don't like any content that didn't come from DAZ.

Quote - I swear i just don't get this train of thought that people have who want Poser to become a Studio clone just so they can run Genesis natively. I ask once again, why not just use Studio if you honestly believe that Poser sucks so much? Also, while I can't defend the way Alyson2 looked, I don't think Roxie is ugly by any stretch of the imagination. Of course beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I used to think people were being facetious about that "Make Art" button, but I'm not so certain about that any more.

No, I'm not talking about running Genesis natively, not at all and I don't believe Poser sucks at all and to be honest, I did not say something like that. The only thing that imo sucks are the figures and I'm not the only one who believes that. It's very obvious people don't like them, they just aren't appealing. I don't want Genesis, I want good figures in Poser without being dependend upon DAZ. Poser simply needs good and competitive figures in order to be more appealing and perhaps even in order to survive in the long run. Appealing and good working figures that from the go have the support of a good number of vendors so these figures can be succesful and draw people to Poser..... not drive them away.

You can ignore the call for this in the community, just as SM is doing for years now, but it does have an effect on Poser. Poser simply is content driven, so SM should make sure the content is appealing to the users and has the support of many vendors. That's why I mentioned Hivewire3D..... the seem to have pulled off what every other figure creator has failed to do, besides DAZ, broad support for the figure from the start. Thus making it appealing to the customer.

This has nothing to do with Genesis at all..... I don't want Genesis and DAZ doesn't want me to have it either, but SM needs to learn that the real power of Poser is in the content!

Artwork and 3DToons items, create the perfect place for you toon and other figures!

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?vendor=23722

Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(

Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk

Quote - As for myself, it's that conversations have become so specialized, centering on and around figures that I don't use (Genesis, V4, and the very latests Posers), that there is little reason to join in!

Does anybody still use Posette, or Judy? If not, then there is nothing for me to talk about!

I find the most interesting discussions to be about Poser itself, how the features work, using shaders to replicate various materials or to optimize rendering. I don't follow figure-specific threads unless I am having a figure-specific problem.

I'm surprised that people abandon the older figures... Sure, when a new figure comes along and I make a neat character with it I might neglect the older figures for a time... But for populated scenes, and for variety, I never view any figure as obsolete.

I still strongly feel that the older content should be taken out of future Poser installations AND replaced with updated versions of said content. It's not that Posette can't be made to look good alongside Vicki or Roxy, just that she doesn't ship in that form. I'd love it if future versions of Poser shipped with updated versions of figures from versions 4-10. Not talking any serious overhauls, just the same weightmapping, re-rigging, EZskin shaders etc. that any one of us with moderate experience could apply in an afternoon of work once we'd tracked down and downloaded all of the requisite files. I'm sure many a user has loaded Posette and said "ewww, why would anyone ever use this figure today?" when in reality that figure still has plenty of uses.

Figures are like Hollywood stars... Every year or so a fresh face comes along and every director wants him or her in their movies... But when the newness wears off many of those stars simply fade away. Those who don't fade away are the ones who are truly versatile and bring something unique to each performance. Some are meant to lead, some are meant to support and others will forever get those character roles that have you thinking "I've seen this person before, but where?"

Nobody does it better
Makes me feel sad for the rest
Nobody does it half as good as you
Vicky, you're the best...

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No, I'm not talking about running Genesis natively, not at all and I don't believe Poser sucks at all and to be honest, I did not say something like that. The only thing that imo sucks are the figures and I'm not the only one who believes that. It's very obvious people don't like them, they just aren't appealing. I don't want Genesis, I want good figures in Poser without being dependend upon DAZ. Poser simply needs good and competitive figures in order to be more appealing and perhaps even in order to survive in the long run. Appealing and good working figures that from the go have the support of a good number of vendors so these figures can be succesful and draw people to Poser..... not drive them away.

You can ignore the call for this in the community, just as SM is doing for years now, but it does have an effect on Poser. Poser simply is content driven, so SM should make sure the content is appealing to the users and has the support of many vendors. That's why I mentioned Hivewire3D..... the seem to have pulled off what every other figure creator has failed to do, besides DAZ, broad support for the figure from the start. Thus making it appealing to the customer.

This has nothing to do with Genesis at all..... I don't want Genesis and DAZ doesn't want me to have it either, but SM needs to learn that the real power of Poser is in the content!

This is exactly the point I was getting at, while trying to word it carefully enough so as not to start yet another debate.

Rex and Roxie are not competitive figures.

Alyson and Ryan definitely are not competitive figures.

Since Poser 6/7, the native figures have conistently been getting worse with each new release, not better. Actually, Jessi is a question mark, as its clear that her mesh was not built by the same artist(s). James and Miki however share nearly identical mesh design, a good 75% or more, so I'd wager they are by the same artist(s), or one copied the other and modified it as needed. But I don't know for sure so I can only guess on that.

If it were possible to rewind about 8 years, James and Jessi (with Miki's mesh) should have become the faces of Poser. By now we should be seeing James/Jessi 5 or 6, with refined meshes and superior weightmapped rigging. But, nope.

Content just seems to be an afterthought with SM, when everything about the software depends entirely on having quality content in order to make the software appealing to the majority of users.

I can build my own figures and content, I don't need ready-made content to do what I need/want to do, with the exception of commission work. But most of my commssion work is not mass-marketable. It's very specific stuff, and I don't build to the guidelines/rules of the market places, I build to the individual client's request because that's whose paying me.

But a big reason why I haven't started vending myself is because there's really no viable figures for me to build content for, asside from M4/V4, which is beginning to fade. It takes too long and as I see it, it would be a waste of time and energy to try supporting any of the native figures right now, because very few people use them. If I'm going to spend several weeks or more building a package then I want to make sure it's for a market that's going to buy it. I would build for Dawn, and have started a couple different projects for her, but she's just too damned ugly and awkward for me to stare at for extended periods. If it's a commission that's entirely different, but on my own, she's just not inspiring at all. And so far I've received zero commission requests for her. So at this point, my only logical avenue into vendor-hood is architecture/scenery, or seriously buckling down and learning DS so I can build for Genesis2, because that is where the money is right now.

I just don't see Poser's userbase expanding very much in the future without figures that are of equal or greater quality to what the competition offers, especially when the competition is free for anybody to use. When you're competing with free, you have to be better or you'll eventually sink. That's just the nature of any business.

~Shane

Quote - No, I'm not talking about running Genesis natively, not at all and I don't believe Poser sucks at all and to be honest, I did not say something like that. The only thing that imo sucks are the figures and I'm not the only one who believes that. It's very obvious people don't like them, they just aren't appealing. I don't want Genesis, I want good figures in Poser without being dependend upon DAZ. Poser simply needs good and competitive figures in order to be more appealing and perhaps even in order to survive in the long run. Appealing and good working figures that from the go have the support of a good number of vendors so these figures can be succesful and draw people to Poser..... not drive them away.

You can ignore the call for this in the community, just as SM is doing for years now, but it does have an effect on Poser. Poser simply is content driven, so SM should make sure the content is appealing to the users and has the support of many vendors. That's why I mentioned Hivewire3D..... the seem to have pulled off what every other figure creator has failed to do, besides DAZ, broad support for the figure from the start. Thus making it appealing to the customer.

This has nothing to do with Genesis at all..... I don't want Genesis and DAZ doesn't want me to have it either, but SM needs to learn that the real power of Poser is in the content!

See that's where we disagree. Poser ISN'T content driven at all. It's feature driven. SM is a SOFTWARE company, not Content. The simple reason that DAZ is where they are today is not because they offered content. RDNA, Renderosity, and Poserworld were all offering content as well. What gave DAZ the edge was that they were the only one's offering, and pushing a particular figure(or set of figures). The other brokerages simply fell in line behind them. That's something that hasn't really happened again UNTIL Dawn came along, ironically enough, competing against the very figure tthat they themselves helped bring about. SM doesn't really do content and frankly, it doesn't really support the figures it does do. But then, they've never done that. Once again, that's why DAZ even exists today. Look at Miki 4, one of the SM figures you say you like. Miki hasn't worked in a version of Studio since Miki 1. And SM has no plans that they've announced to ever make her work in Studio.

A few years back I was a vendor. but I quit once I saw I was wasting my time as a vendor for little return. so I carried on making content for my own usage... but about 3 years ago that came to an end when I fell and wrecked my right wrist.

in a few weeks, all going well, I'm under going an ulnar shortening operation that should hopefully allow me to model again.

that history aside, I will say, I have noticed a definate shift in the forums towards the hostile in the last year.

some will say they haven't .. but it's there.. I've even had some with someone telling me I should stop posting since I wasn't upto date on my poser version. after I had to prove to them I was a poser user in the first place!

that attitude is spreading. I see in this thread, no gallery=no input. why? there's little in my gallery since I can't model atm and there was little I could put up for some time since I did'nt want to post WIP's of product.

does that mean I have no say? no. I do have a say.

so lets drop that attitude and encourage ppl to post their work instead of putting them down.

also the lack of educational posts... in the old days, a new feature had a flurry of posts exploring it.

now... maybe one or 2 a couple of months later..... ppl are being to quick to dismiss features and not use explore them. for instance, the cloth room. apart from a few individuals, hardly touched. the hair room, I know about 2 ppl that have gone indepth with it. the mat room? only really BB has taken the time to teach it.

lets get in there and see what the stuff does.

also, I've considered starting a thread on photo realistic rendering in poser in the forum.

I've not bothered since I know that certain ppl will come in demanding to know why anyone would want to do this.. so.. not worth the arguements that will then ensue. it's not their area of interest. but they feel they have to put their opinion in, as if they have a gun to their head forcing them to.

Result? more hostility.

we have to learn to leave topics alone if we don't have an interest in them, rather than force our issues onto others. don't like the topic? start your own. your free to.

AmbientShade,

"but she's just too damned ugly and awkward for me to stare at"

My god, she is just a mesh that can be molded into anything. And this said of you who are supposed to be a pro and master of Maya and all!

I'll tell you what is the best way to vendorhood for you. Make the outfit for Dawn and transfer it to DS with a simple export/import. Well inside DS you can morph it into a V6 garment with a clone, which take 10 min to make (a onetime operation). All morphs and parameters setting will come through. Sell it and be happy. In this way you make cloth for V6 by working in Poser to 95%.

And, as a by-product, you also have a Dawn version which you can do what you want with.

Quote - A few years back I was a vendor. but I quit once I saw I was wasting my time as a vendor for little return. so I carried on making content for my own usage... but about 3 years ago that came to an end when I fell and wrecked my right wrist.

The one time I was a vendor here, 2005 I think, I maxed my 3-item limit for new vendors with just one character set for M3, in a relatively short period of time. I don't know if that limit still exists since I haven't looked into it recently. Personally I don't even think it was all that great. I barely knew what I was doing and I definitely wouldn't release the same item today. I'd be embarrassed to.

But, given that male characters have always been seen as having no demand for them, that was enough to prove to me that there was definitely decent money to be made as a vendor, so long as there's at least a moderate demand for what you're making. And it completely disproved that there's no demand for male content, at least for me it did.

There are several vendors who make their living doing just this, while many others barely make anything. It all comes down to what you're making and the quality of your work.

Quote - also, I've considered starting a thread on photo realistic rendering in poser in the forum.

I've not bothered since I know that certain ppl will come in demanding to know why anyone would want to do this.. so.. not worth the arguements that will then ensue.

There's no reason not to start a thread on that. You can always just ignore those people, and should. Plenty of interest in photo realism for a thread on that to generate good hits and learn something from.

~Shane

I hope I didn't keep you from starting a thread on photorealistic rendering. While I have no real interest in it at the moment, that doesn't mean I wouldn't be interested in the topic. As long as we're on the subject though, I also see a disturbing trend. It seems if you disagree with someone's opinion in this forum, and you say so, people accuse you of being hostile, no matter how politely you disagree. Then people get mad and take a personal poke at you. When I disagree with someone, i usually spell out why i disagree, and trust me, it's nothing personal. I don't actually know any of you, you know. How in the world COULD it be personal?

"but she's just too damned ugly and awkward for me to stare at"

I like to post pics of celebs without makeup to prove my point. Case in point, Tyra Banks sans makeup.

Quote - My god, she is just a mesh that can be molded into anything. And this said of you who are supposed to be a pro and master of Maya and all!

I'll tell you what is the best way to vendorhood for you. Make the outfit for Dawn and transfer it to DS with a simple export/import. Well inside DS you can morph it into a V6 garment with a clone, which take 10 min to make (a onetime operation). All morphs and parameters setting will come through. Sell it and be happy. In this way you make cloth for V6 by working in Poser to 95%.

And, as a by-product, you also have a Dawn version which you can do what you want with.

I never claimed to be a pro or master of maya or anything else. sorry if you got that impression, as I've never implied anything of the sort, at least not deliberately. I'm no better than anyone else here.

I'm just a modeler, that's all. My standards for mesh design are high because I study anatomy and topology for rigging, cause I have to in order to be at least a somewhat competent character artist some day. And yes I do expect perfection, at least from myself if not from anyone else.

I don't own V5 or V6, and I barely know crap about DS, I'm still learning it in my spare time. I have Genesis and G2M/F with some face and body morphs. I don't have the clones.

And yeah, sorry but I like working with at least somewhat attractive figures. I've tried working with Dawn, but she just reminds me of Princess Vespa's stunt double every time I look at her. I was working on a whole winter queen outfit and scene for her for the contest that was running, and had intended on putting the whole set up for sale after that contest was done, but I never finished it. Maybe I will at some point.

~Shane

...and Tyra with make up. Night and day.

Good point EClark1894! ;)

I don't think AmbientShade is serious, he is just pulling our noses.
As if V4 default is something to write home about..

Tyra is beautiful with or without makeup in my opinion. I look at bone structure and shape before anything else.

Quote - As if V4 default is something to write home about..

lol true, but she still has a decent female shape by default. In order to get Dawn to look like a real female I'd have to break her hips and shoulders and rerig them since she doesn't have animatable joint centers. and then there's that cinderblock jaw that her morphs don't seem to fix in any examples I've seen so far. I've yet to see a render of her that didn't look like a transgendered woman.

I like women who look like women with soft features and nice curves, maybe a bit on the athletic side, but not men in dresses, and I like guys that look like masculine rugged guys, not prissy queens or plucked metrosexuals. I guess I'm in the minority there. shrugs

~Shane

Even if it were true I would never let such a bagatelle hinder me. If there is obstacles those obstacles are obstacles for the competition too! If Dawn looks stops you from doing what you want to do, so be it.

i can appreciate dawn for what her creators are trying to do with her, and i think its great that other people are trying to support her. But for me personally, i would have to completely rebuild the figure in order to be satisfied with anything i created for her, and there's no point in doing that when i can't distribute it. for my personal work, there are other figures that are better designed and would take less work to get them where i would need them to be in order to be satisfied. and that's all I'm going to say about dawn, cause i'm sick of the constant arguments that always come up around here whenever dawn is mentioned.

~Shane

The difference between you and me (one of the differences) is that you are into figures and I am into cloth, fashion. Otherwise I would claim that it is not arguments and fights that destroy forums and groups, that has always been a part of it and no obstacle to earning money. No, it is the hagging. nagging, whining and endless complaining that destroy the group. I would like to paraphrase "Those who can do the other teach" to "Those who can do the others complain". Eventually those who do tires of it and leaves, at that is what is happening to this forum.

Quote - See that's where we disagree. Poser ISN'T content driven at all. It's feature driven. SM is a SOFTWARE company, not Content. The simple reason that DAZ is where they are today is not because they offered content. RDNA, Renderosity, and Poserworld were all offering content as well. What gave DAZ the edge was that they were the only one's offering, and pushing a particular figure(or set of figures). The other brokerages simply fell in line behind them. That's something that hasn't really happened again UNTIL Dawn came along, ironically enough, competing against the very figure tthat they themselves helped bring about. SM doesn't really do content and frankly, it doesn't really support the figures it does do. But then, they've never done that. Once again, that's why DAZ even exists today. Look at Miki 4, one of the SM figures you say you like. Miki hasn't worked in a version of Studio since Miki 1. And SM has no plans that they've announced to ever make her work in Studio.

Poser not content driven? Well, let's close all the content stores and see how long Poser will survive :)

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Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(

Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk

Well, Poser WAS here before the content stores were. I remember, I was here too.

It's one of the reasons why Poser comes with it's own content and figures.

Oh, I remember that as well, but Poser these days isn't what Poser used to be and there are now many much cheaper aids to help an artist in reaching their goals. I remember when Poser was just used for easily posing figures I could then use or better said copy by hand or trace after printing in my own comics. That's a long time ago tough and those times have gone..... for that there are much better alternatives.

No, without the content stores, I don't think Poser would survive too long in this day and age.

Just a note.... besides Windows I do think Poser is the only application I've used for decades :)

Artwork and 3DToons items, create the perfect place for you toon and other figures!

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?vendor=23722

Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(

Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk

Quote - Dawn

For me it is totally incomprehensible. It is like when "people in the blockhouse is about to be overrun by the enemy and they have let all hope gone". And then comes a figure out of the sky precisely what you have hoped for -something that makes everything easier and that is of a far better quality than anything they previously had. And that has this additional trait that everything you do can be brought over to Daz and vice versa for free. And what do people do? They reject it! (along with all else new)

Madre Mia. "Fallen by own behalf" is what it is called. So don't complain

on many occasions I read your comments and I agree with what you write, but in this occasion I disagree, I expected Dawn anxiously, but I disappointments immediately, the model seems to me honestly ugly and when I visit the store I see renders it not me 'm anxious to use it in the slightest (sadly I might add)

the argument that he did as V4 should evolve is not true, as a figure of 10 years more modern than anything, at least you would expect is that errors that have not had the figure 10 years old.

when I see some render G2 made me want to try , when I see those models render made with dawn not feel the minimum desire to hold her in my libraries, ¿what really expect to give my support and start buying things for her? since the figures were made at the same time, feel what I feel when I see a render G2 or with v4 10 years ago with Dawn

You could morph Roxie in to all the other female Poser characters.

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aldebaran40,

I am perfectly willing to believe that I have lost all sense of discernment and style and should go and draw something old over me -if it wasn't for that it is not only Dawn. The old school rejects everything! So, the forensic evidence suggest another possibility, especially when their own home made figures never fails to be lifted to the sky.

Bethink the war between the west powers and China in nineteenth century. What was the cause of it? The Opium trade? That was just a pretext. The real reason was that China wanted to call the shots. It saw itself as the only civilized place on earth and all others should look up to it.

The people and moderators of this forum are entirely too sensitive so it becomes a matter of walking on eggshells, which nobody likes, because you might hurt someone's feelings or worse...you might offend the super awesome contributors who are above reproach.

So, this is what happens when super-politically correct senitive types scour the earth clean of passion and vitriol. You get a ghost town.

Congratulations, hyper sensitive chat nazis. Enjoy your empty forums.

To rub salt in the wound, it is becoming self-evident to more and more people that Poser is falling behind exponentially with each new release. This has already been discussed.

There is another possiblity on the other end of the spectrum: Once you have all the tools, it's no fun anymore. Some users here have so many tools at their disposal, and have mastered them all, that there's no longer a challenge and it's taken for granted.

Put all three of these things together and I wouldn't say hobby 3d is dead, but in stasis.

One more angle: The Vast majority of Hobbyists aren't good enough or have enough mastery of the ancillary software or esoteric features of poser to go further with it. Only the upper 10% can truly express themselves artistically with the tools given, and these people don't require a lot of Q-and-A.

Quote - aldebaran40,

I am perfectly willing to believe that I have lost all sense of discernment and style and should go and draw something old over me -if it wasn't for that it is not only Dawn. The old school rejects everything! So, the forensic evidence suggest another possibility, especially when their own home made figures never fails to be lifted to the sky.

anyone who has read my post you will notice that did not speak English and I communicated using translator, honestly vintorix I did not understand what you wanted to say

Quote - One more angle: The Vast majority of Hobbyists aren't good enough or have enough mastery of the ancillary software or esoteric features of poser to go further with it. Only the upper 10% can truly express themselves artistically with the tools given, and these people don't require a lot of Q-and-A.

good point (I think 10% is an over exaggerated value),It's why when say;
"You could morph Roxie in to all the other female characters"
We're missing the big picture of the situation

ps.not erase the thread I think the conversation is interesting

Sorry for that aldebaran40

Roxie & V6 are both SubD meshes.
All that V6 does ,Roxie could do also.
So no ,I don't get no big picture of why Poser needs any other mesh.

But if you want a 3rd party mesh ,there's Dawn she can morph in to any thing also.
Even Roxie or V6.

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So much angst over the activity in a forum!

Is 3D a dying hobby because the few people who like to talk about it a lot aren't quite as chatty?

Based on gallery posts here and at other forums, Daz and SM figures showing up in stock photography sites (and subsequently being used as illustrations in magazine articles), submissions to contests, posts on sites such as DeviantArt... I'd say, Not at all. People are rendering more than ever. Perhaps they're so busy rendering, in fact, that they don't have time, energy, or inclination to discuss what they're doing.

There are folks who like to experiment with the software to see how far they can take new and existing features. Peeps who like to tinker with models. People who like to use pre-made content primarily to create finished and polished renders. And people who like to discuss in detail what everyone else is doing. Just because the last category of folk isn't talking as much doesn't mean the others aren't humming along with unabated enthusiasm. :D

PoserPro 2014, PS CS5.5 Ext, Nikon D300. Win 8, i7-4770 @ 3.4 GHz, AMD Radeon 8570, 12 GB RAM.

The people and moderators of this forum are entirely too sensitive... I'd say most folks are not adverse to a reasonable critique. The issue, and why the mods rightly crack down, is when that critism isn't reasonable. For example, you release a model of a car and someone posts a suggestion on how to improve the modeling of the wheels. Someone else says "those wheels are meh". Also reckon say it's not fair to say only a supposed top 10 elite really have the skills. Any good artist keeps on learning/trying out new things and sharing that with others.

Pinky - you left the lens cap of your mind on again.

> Quote - Perhaps they're so busy rendering, in fact, that they don't have time, energy, or inclination to discuss what they're doing.... Peeps who like to tinker with models... Just because the last category of folk isn't talking as much doesn't mean the others aren't humming along with unabated enthusiasm. :D

I'll agree with this, if only because I'm one of them. I have several modeling projects going, which will exploit/showcase new Poser features. And I've been working on hardware quite a bit. I've scrounged up six used (dual H/T hex-core) server blades (Dell C1100s) and two surplus HP xw6600s, and they're networked together as a personal render farm. They have both Vue's RenderCow and Poser Pro's Queue Manager installed on them. I added the core count (in red) for each blade to the attached screen snip. That's a lot of horsepower for Posering! Galadriel is noticeably missing; she's scattered in parts on the workbench. Laptop Valkyrie is online, but she's not rendering; I'm just surfing the interwebs with her. Her two cores and eight GB wouldn't be able to keep up with the big girls.

Poser 12, in feet.

OSes: Win7Prox64, Win7Ultx64

Silo Pro 2.5.6 64bit, Vue Infinite 2014.7, Genetica 4.0 Studio, UV Mapper Pro, UV Layout Pro, PhotoImpact X3, GIF Animator 5

seachnasaigh : Cool hardware,Are you rendering a video or a still ?

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When that screen snip was taken, I was rendering a 360' environment panorama, broken up into four 90' still shots at 4096x4096. They'll be used to texture a backdrop wall/skydome for a new Poser enviro playset. Poser test shot attached of the enviro, though with only one instance of each type of tree.

The Poser Pro render test will be an animation with lots of special effects.

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For those wondering "*Where would you put that many computers?!?*", only the workstations *Cameron*, *Galadriel*, et al, are full chassis desktops. The render slaves are rack-mount blades, and they are very space efficient. Also cost effective, since they have only the components which they need (processors & RAM). Just a minimal onboard video chip to allow use of a modest monitor, no video card, no sound card, no optical drive.

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Damn. I want a setup like that. With multiple large monitors tho.

~Shane

Well, you can't run multiple/HD monitors from the blades; they have only an onboard chip to allow for a modest monitor. But you don't need it, either. Think of server blades as rocket booster packs for your workstation. You work at the workstation -which *can* have multiple hi-res monitors- and the server blades just increase your workstation's power. I only access the blades' (shared) monitor/keyboard/mouse in order to start them up.

I agree that big dual monitors are great for workstations. You can see Cameron and Galadriel in this (blurry - sorry) shot attached. Each has two dual-link DVI-D monitors. That's Eir & Kara sitting beneath Galadriel.

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OSes: Win7Prox64, Win7Ultx64

Silo Pro 2.5.6 64bit, Vue Infinite 2014.7, Genetica 4.0 Studio, UV Mapper Pro, UV Layout Pro, PhotoImpact X3, GIF Animator 5

Oh, boy ! ! !

You can melt the North Pole with that setup; LOL.

NICE ! Me like.

Poser 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, P8 and PPro2010, P9 and PP2012, P10 and PP2014 Game Dev
"Do not drive faster then your angel can fly"!

Yeah, I read that after, lol.

~Shane

I hate you SOOO much right now! I'm so jealous!

I've been 'trying' to come back. I attempted a discussion on this recently, about the community that I once loved. But case in point, one reason I walked was all the threads getting deleted. And that discussion is gone now too. So that reason to stay gone is still strong.

I've also tried asking a couple questions lately. It's really touch and go whether or not you get any answers so you have to be desperate to decide to try. Sometimes I'm feeling that there is competition for sales among those who know how to do things and they don't want to train their competition. Makes sense I suppose. But still kinda sucks.

However, I'm hear today scrolling through the front page, to see if there's anything worth participating in. I am trying, even though my attempts might be thwarted.

I have a group of people that I've personally gotten involved in 3d as a hobby. I've not pointed them to this forum and unless it gets active again I probably won't. No point.

I am: aka Velocity3d

@ JJRoland, You are soo right.

As long as users make free stuff, and give it all away, I see them answering questions.

Once they become a vendor? ? ? They shut up and protect their knowledge.

Or attack the competition, or attack the vendors that build for other figures.

Suddenly, "Theirs, and only theirs", is the best and the shouting starts.

And forum "productivity" or amusement goes downhill FAST and FASTER.

Poser 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, P8 and PPro2010, P9 and PP2012, P10 and PP2014 Game Dev
"Do not drive faster then your angel can fly"!

I sell stuff and I still answer question if I know the answer. Problem is a lot of questions asked these days are so technical I wouldn't know how to answer them at all. Secondly, I'm more working with Vue these days, so I'm a bit more active there, but if I know answers that are asked about Vue, I do give them.

But yes, most vendors aren't active anywhere at all and sure don't want to share their knowledge.... at least not in the Poser forums. I've found that differently with Vue, a lot of vendors are willing to help and share knowledge there, much better if you've qot questions. But.... as with Poser forums these days, most of the active Vue'ers are not here either.

Artwork and 3DToons items, create the perfect place for you toon and other figures!

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?vendor=23722

Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(

Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk

I sell stuff and I still answer question if I know the answer. Same here. Way I figure it one day you help someone, another day they might help you. OK sure some days you don't get a sensible answer, but when that 'knowledge exchange' works it works well here.

Pinky - you left the lens cap of your mind on again.

I will answer anything about Dawn and Daz-Poser work flows to the best of my ability but there is no interest so. For instance I gave a very (IMO) valuable tip earlier in this thread but no one thanked me and no one even cared to comment. So I leave you in your blockhouse.

So. No GPU accelerated rendeing for you seachnasaigh. At least not on the farm.
What kind of processors are you running in those?

Just curious. I've been thinking about putting together a cluster of my own.

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Quote -I've also tried asking a couple questions lately. It's really touch and go whether or not you get any answers so you have to be desperate to decide to try.

I try to answer questions when I know the answer. I rarely volunteer answers to certain areas like scripting or the material room, cause that's definitely not my area. I'm still learning all the various nodes setups, slowly and my knowledge of python is more limited than it currently should be.

Mostly my focus is modeling and topology/mesh design and rigging, but it seems whenever that subject comes up it becomes an argument.

~Shane

seachnasaigh : I see all those work stations & think
,Studio with a crew but there's not enough work space for a crew
& only one chair .Your going to build a studio with a crew ?

All that hardware is for what all softwares ?

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Quote - seachnasaigh : I see all those work stations & think
,Studio with a crew but there's not enough work space for a crew
& only one chair .Your going to build a studio with a crew ?

All that hardware is for what all softwares ?

That's what I'm wondering as well. Full length feature film animation? Or perhaps megasize still images? I went to the gallery out of curiousity, but only older images there and sure none that needs any of this at all.

Artwork and 3DToons items, create the perfect place for you toon and other figures!

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?vendor=23722

Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(

Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk

Oh there are for sure some people who still do answer. Heck I've had people, Vilters for example, take the time to write out full tutorials for me. My signature references people who have helped me immensely. Also of course there is BB and PhilC both whom sell and help in huge ways. JoePublic, Cage, although I don't know if they sell or not, both have been willing to answer questions for me.

It's very possible that those willing to answer just aren't around much anymore. An example: I recently posed a thread about how to create 'REM' that actually remove. I did get a response. But it didn't explain how to do it. Although I know for a fact that this is something that MANY know how to do. Wound up having to purchase 2 utilities from the MP just to create the darn injections/removes. Of course I opened them up after the utility did its work and have an understanding now. I paid $32 for that answer lol. They used to be mostly free.

I am: aka Velocity3d

Joe

Quote - What kind of processors are you running in those?

The blades are dual processor motherboards; the processors are HyperThreaded hex-core Xeons (X5650). The HP slave units have dual quad-core Xeon processors, but they're not HyperThreaded (but they were cheap!). The core i# series cannot run in parallel; if you want dual processors, it's going to be Xeons. If you want to run Win7, then stay away from the four-CPU and eight-CPU servers; desktop Windows OSes will only acknowledge two processors.

This is cost effective if you buy used server blades; I got these from DeepDiscountServers on ebay. The surplus HPs were bought from Newegg in their "refurbished" listings. Oh, and a Win7Pro 64bit OEM full new install license (has the holo-decal) is $60 US at SoftwarePlusTech. Of course, if you PiXiE boot, that's not needed.

RorrKonn

Quote - seachnasaigh : I see all those work stations & think, Studio with a crew but there's not enough work space for a crew & only one chair .Your going to build a studio with a crew ?

Nope, just a lone mad scientist in his lair. :P Oh, and maybe a pixie. Pixies don't need much space, though. ^^

RorrKonn

Quote - All that hardware is for what all softwares ?

Rendering in Poser Pro and Vue. Modeling in Silo and modo. Vue's licensing limits how many "rendercows" are engaged at any one time. Galadriel's Vue 11.5 license allows five cows; Cameron's Vue 2014 license allows ten cows. But with Poser Pro, I can throw everything jacked into the router at the problem, over 200 cores.

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OSes: Win7Prox64, Win7Ultx64

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Quote -It's very possible that those willing to answer just aren't around much anymore. An example: I recently posed a thread about how to create 'REM' that actually remove. I did get a response. But it didn't explain how to do it. Although I know for a fact that this is something that MANY know how to do. Wound up having to purchase 2 utilities from the MP just to create the darn injections/removes. Of course I opened them up after the utility did its work and have an understanding now. I paid $32 for that answer lol. They used to be mostly free.

Are you familiar with nerd3d.com? he has a lot of useful info there, including how to create inj/rem files.

http://nerd3d.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=13

Some of the info there I think is a bit outdated from what I remember, but most is still very valid.

~Shane

Quote - Are you familiar with nerd3d.com? he has a lot of useful info there, including how to create inj/rem files.

http://nerd3d.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=13

Some of the info there I think is a bit outdated from what I remember, but most is still very valid.

~Shane

I was not, or at least not that I can recall. Thank you.

I am: aka Velocity3d

seachnasaigh

Quote - Joe

Quote - What kind of processors are you running in those?

The blades are dual processor motherboards; the processors are HyperThreaded hex-core Xeons (X5650).

Thanks for the info.
I'll be using mine mostly with Linux and for Blender. I'm hoping to add some GPU power to it too. But with the software you're using, your system is pretty cool.

All hail mad scientists. ;-)

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Quote -

sorry , ¿which button you use to put a satellite in orbit?

Quote - > Quote -

sorry , ¿which button you use to put a satellite in orbit?

LMAO

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It's right next to the "Make Art" button

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Keep adding stuff and that thing is going to decide your fate in a microsecond...

Who finds a friend finds a treasure!

Keep adding stuff and that thing is going to decide your fate in a microsecond... It probably already has - look at the world domination map on the back wall :) seriously though thats an impressive rig!

Pinky - you left the lens cap of your mind on again.

i cant comment on how many users are on now etc as im just not here enough to notice these things

i can tell you my take on things though, id love to make more content to sell, im busy at work (sometimes haha :-) ) i have a family too,and i like to kick ass as a knight in re enactment shows, i try to learn as much as i can about the software im using, i got so many projects in my mind that i need to do,talk about juggling act ;-)

There is the age old subject about content,why cant we have say,a monthly vote for vendors, a wish list say, then any vendor with half a brain would look at the vote and would be satisfying the users for getting content that they want,the vendors get some cash, everyones happy- also it might drive quality up as vendors may make similar versions of a particular subject, the only slight negative is that there will be a few similar products about but then how many bras/bikinis have we got for v4? :-)

ive never really unerstood people getting wound up on forums, i agree with rorrkonn,you soon know if someone s being an assh*** and most of the time they would never admit they are wrong so arguing is pointless. if moderators are doing their job there shouldnt be much abuse going on, so its all good :-) we are all here to either enjoy art or sell some or both :-)

A cleaved head no longer plots.

http://www.perilous7.moonfruit.com

I'm hearing two main arguments about posting in the forums and not surprisingly, they're basically flip sides of the same coin. On one hand you have people who come in say mean or preposterous things, and when they get called on it, they get mad at all the hostility. Then there's the flip side, who get upset at the first group, declare the forum hostile and storm off.

I'm not that sensitive. You can disagree with me all you want, just make me understand WHY you disagree.

Quote - I'm hearing two main arguments about posting in the forums and not surprisingly, they're basically flip sides of the same coin. On one hand you have people who come in say mean or preposterous things, and when they get called on it, they get mad at all the hostility. Then there's the flip side, who get upset at the first group, declare the forum hostile and storm off.

I'm not that sensitive. You can disagree with me all you want, just make me understand WHY you disagree.

It is a real shame when anyone has to storm off and I think we all have some particular issues that manage to 'push our buttons'. I personally don't like the type of comment along the lines SM should do it my way or they are doomed. I do however accept some people to feel strongly about Poser and, providing the veiws appear genuine I have no issue. There are others that only really post here just to have a go at SM and Poser or love to repeat the same old theories that are heavily biased and have been said so many times before in thread and after thread. Those that love to knock Poser but won't have a word said about their favorite software.

I admit some of the latter did used to wind me up and I could have stormed off but it is amazing how sticking 'ignore' on a couple of people can protect you from those who clearly have their own agenda

I use Poser 13 on Windows 11 - For Scene set up I use a Geekcom A5 - Ryzen 9 5900HX, with 64 gig ram and 3 TB storage, mini PC with final rendering done on normal sized desktop using an AMD Ryzen Threadipper 1950X CPU, Corsair Hydro H100i CPU cooler, 3XS EVGA GTX 1080i SC with 11g Ram, 4 X 16gig Corsair DDR4 Ram and a Corsair RM 100 PSU . The desktop is in a remote location with rendering done via Queue Manager which gives me a clearer desktop and quieter computer room.

I don't know how doomed Poser is. Even with Studio being a free app (for now), Poser still seems to be selling quite well. Apparently even the people who have switched from Poser to DAZ don't necessarily like having to use Studio and would probably switch back if there were a rival "genesis " like figure available for Poser.

When backing off, and looking at it from a distance.

The Gene technology is outstanding and offers some real improvements in DS.

However, the DSON thing is a Poser nightmare only its mother can love.

It is utterly resourses hungry and slows Poser down on its knees. (If you get the thing working at all.)
And you still get only half of the technology to work.

Conclusion / Result?
If you wanna keep your hair?
Gene is DS only.

Or use some hacks like JoePublic does, and live with a 50% result.

I agree with EClark that Poser needs far better figures that come with tons of content at release time.

I also agree that Poser should become more end user friendly and lots of things should/could be automated.

I also agree that the old legacy content is obsolete and should either be repaired, upgraded or dropped completely.

Gene/V5/V6, in its current form with DSON is not an option for Poser.

Dawn, while a good effort, was clearly build for DS and then converted to work (and let us leave it at that) in Poser.

Final.

Neither Gene/V5/V6 nor Dawn are a valid alternatives for V4 in Poser.

Rex and Roxie, while the best SM meshes so far, lack their succes because they where not ready at release time, and came with close to no end user usable content at all.

Is Poser a good App? Certainly and very productive with V4.

But?
So is the Gene/V5/V6 - DS combination.

Happy Posering all.
Tony

Poser 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, P8 and PPro2010, P9 and PP2012, P10 and PP2014 Game Dev
"Do not drive faster then your angel can fly"!

Quote - I don't know how doomed Poser is. Even with Studio being a free app (for now), Poser still seems to be selling quite well. Apparently even the people who have switched from Poser to DAZ don't necessarily like having to use Studio and would probably switch back if there were a rival "genesis " like figure available for Poser.

I would question the "poser is selling well" part of this.

It really struck me as an act of desperation when they released Poser2014 half ways into 2013. That rings to me as "we need money now and cannot continue development into 2014 without it"

That coupled with the fact that there were really not that many improvements in 2014 from 2012, that "I" personally didnt feel the need to upgrade.

That release made me real worried about poser's future...I would hate to see it go.

Quote - > Quote - I don't know how doomed Poser is. Even with Studio being a free app (for now), Poser still seems to be selling quite well. Apparently even the people who have switched from Poser to DAZ don't necessarily like having to use Studio and would probably switch back if there were a rival "genesis " like figure available for Poser.

I would question the "poser is selling well" part of this.

It really struck me as an act of desperation when they released Poser2014 half ways into 2013. That rings to me as "we need money now and cannot continue development into 2014 without it"

That coupled with the fact that there were really not that many improvements in 2014 from 2012, that "I" personally didnt feel the need to upgrade.

That release made me real worried about poser's future...I would hate to see it go.

Fitting room, physics, progressive rendering, subdivision are major new improvements in Poser.

Why start another conspiracy theory - haven't we had enough of those?

@Rawnrr: It is common practice (software, new cars, etc) for the 2014 model to be released well before the new year.

@Aeilkema: My gallery here is just test/promo renders for my freebies. Even my Photobucket account is neglected since they stopped clickable thumbnails (enlarging to full size) and dropped SWF. Networked rendering is most beneficial if you are either making an animation or a wallpaper of a complex scene. Now I can't display either of those via a paid "premium" Photobucket album.

Poser 12, in feet.

OSes: Win7Prox64, Win7Ultx64

Silo Pro 2.5.6 64bit, Vue Infinite 2014.7, Genetica 4.0 Studio, UV Mapper Pro, UV Layout Pro, PhotoImpact X3, GIF Animator 5

No conspiracy, just my personal concerns as a long time poser user.

Apart from progressive rendering none of the other stuff have any meaning to me, and as such "for me" not enough to warrant buying the new version.

Quote - No conspiracy, just my personal concerns as a long time poser user.

Apart from progressive rendering none of the other stuff have any meaning to me, and as such "for me" not enough to warrant buying the new version.

Since you are DS user I can see that subdivision and the fitting room are not of major interest to you. For most people however they were the improvements these users asked for. So it is well worth the investment if you are a serious poser user

Quote - No conspiracy, just my personal concerns as a long time poser user.

Apart from progressive rendering none of the other stuff have any meaning to me, and as such "for me" not enough to warrant buying the new version.

So you're saying Poser isn't selling well because you didn't want to upgrade?

Quote - Since you are DS user I can see that subdivision and the fitting room are not of major interest to you. For most people however they were the improvements these users asked for. So it is well worth the investment if you are a serious poser user

Ummm....I have been using poser and making products for it for well over a decade now. What makes you think I am not a poser user?

Contrary to the beliefs of some, people can happily use both softwares. I use whatever software works for what I need for my art.

I also build my poser and d/s products individually in each program.

There is no competition in my book.

Rawn

Quote - > Quote - No conspiracy, just my personal concerns as a long time poser user.

Apart from progressive rendering none of the other stuff have any meaning to me, and as such "for me" not enough to warrant buying the new version.

So you're saying Poser isn't selling well because you didn't want to upgrade?

No...I said I questioned how well it is selling because of how it was released.

My not feeling the need to upgrade is simply my personal choice, since what they put in the new version was of only a minor improvement to me and my needs.

Quote - > Quote - Since you are DS user I can see that subdivision and the fitting room are not of major interest to you. For most people however they were the improvements these users asked for. So it is well worth the investment if you are a serious poser user

Ummm....I have been using poser and making products for it for well over a decade now. What makes you think I am not a poser user?

Contrary to the beliefs of some, people can happily use both softwares. I use whatever software works for what I need for my art.

I also build my poser and d/s products individually in each program.

There is no competition in my book.

Rawn

I know you are an old time poser user and you make products for both Poser and DS.

But it seems that you no longer actively use Poser to create real scenery since the improvements in the morph brush alone are worth the investments. Include the improvements in weightmap tools, the ability to copy morphs and joint zones from one figure to the other, render previews as well as bug fixes, UI improvements and you have a much improved Poser version - even if you do not use things like Subdivision, fitting room or physics

If you do use Poser seriously for creating scenes and rendering I do not understand your reasoning.

But of course that is your decision - I just don't understand it

Don't forget the ray accelerator added to Firefly in Poser Pro 2014 - it speeds rendering noticeably.

Poser 12, in feet.

OSes: Win7Prox64, Win7Ultx64

Silo Pro 2.5.6 64bit, Vue Infinite 2014.7, Genetica 4.0 Studio, UV Mapper Pro, UV Layout Pro, PhotoImpact X3, GIF Animator 5

morph brush is no use to me...I build my morphs in zbrush.

Since I just make characters (morphs and textures) the other tools dont do much for me.

Like I said....my decision is all based on how "I" use poser, and what "my" needs are.

I still use poser regularly for my art, and I am constantly making poser specific materials in poser. (and I do find it really weird that I have to justify my poser use LOL....after all these years i would hope it is obvios LOL)

Rawnrr > Quote - ....my decision is all based on how "I" use poser, and what "my" needs are.

As it should be. Myself, I'm probably going to skip the next Vue release or two, to save money. I'll still use the Vue licenses I have, but for me the new features simply don't justify the cost.

Poser 12, in feet.

OSes: Win7Prox64, Win7Ultx64

Silo Pro 2.5.6 64bit, Vue Infinite 2014.7, Genetica 4.0 Studio, UV Mapper Pro, UV Layout Pro, PhotoImpact X3, GIF Animator 5

Quote - Rawnrr > Quote - ....my decision is all based on how "I" use poser, and what "my" needs are.

As it should be. Myself, I'm probably going to skip the next Vue release or two, to save money. I'll still use the Vue licenses I have, but for me the new features simply don't justify the cost.

Same here..... I didn't upgrade my Poser Pro 2012 to 2014, since I wouldn't use any of the new features at all, although the new fitting room is tempting, but that's it.

I upgraded my Vue 10 to 11 just before the 2014 release, so I did get a free update to 2014. Before that I used Vue 6 for a long time. Going from Vue 6 to Vue 10 was WOW, this is AWESOME. Going from Vue 10 to 2014 was less impressive, so I'll skip a version or maybe a few as well. Besides, the main 2014 feature, photometric lights, I'm not even using at all. Vue offers everything I want from it and more then that, so upgrading wouldn't make sense at the moment.

Artwork and 3DToons items, create the perfect place for you toon and other figures!

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?vendor=23722

Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(

Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk

Quote - @Rawnrr: It is common practice (software, new cars, etc) for the 2014 model to be released well before the new year.

@Aeilkema: My gallery here is just test/promo renders for my freebies. Even my Photobucket account is neglected since they stopped clickable thumbnails (enlarging to full size) and dropped SWF. Networked rendering is most beneficial if you are either making an animation or a wallpaper of a complex scene. Now I can't display either of those via a paid "premium" Photobucket album.

Thanks, I figured you're doing something big with it. I'm only doing still images, up to 5000 pixs in size, printed up to 17"x24" at the most, so one extra computer for rendering is enough for me. If I would have to go larger then that, I would certainly need a different set up then what I have now.

Artwork and 3DToons items, create the perfect place for you toon and other figures!

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?vendor=23722

Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(

Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk

It's not dead for me; it's still my major leisure activity after walking the dogs. I still slap myself though when I let my guard down and render vacuous half-naked people standing around doing nothing much, though. Can't seem to do a 3D render nowadays without needing to take it to Photoshop to improve it with 2D; I guess I'm more relaxed about postwork than I used to be.

My self-build system - Vista 64 on a Kingston 240GB SSD, Asus P5Q Pro MB, Quad 6600 CPU, 8 Gb Geil Black Dragon Ram, CoolerMaster HAF932 full tower chassis, EVGA Geforce GTX 750Ti Superclocked 2 Gb, Coolermaster V8 CPU aircooler, Enermax 600W Modular PSU, 240Gb SSD, 2Tb HDD storage, 28" LCD monitor, and more red LEDs than a grown man really needs.....I built it in 2008 and can't afford a new one, yet.....!

My Software - Poser Pro 2012, Photoshop, Bryce 6 and Borderlands......"Catch a r--i---d-----e-----!"

Quote - It's not dead for me; it's still my major leisure activity after walking the dogs. I still slap myself though when I let my guard down and render vacuous half-naked people standing around doing nothing much, though. Can't seem to do a 3D render nowadays without needing to take it to Photoshop to improve it with 2D; I guess I'm more relaxed about postwork than I used to be.

Wicked Gallery ,Post away !!!

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Dark Sphere Mage Vengeance

My guess is that the poser community changed just like the way this site changed...
At the old times the most advanced users were slowly becoming vendors but still were part of this forum, they participated in any way.
As some of them become recognized and maybe famous in the poser community they created new sites, stores and forums, RDNA is the first example that comes in mind.
Those new places were competitive to Renderosity store and this guided to strict rules about posting commercial stuff from other sites. That was the first time I started to feel less free to talk
A big part of the community looking at the profit possibilities started to turn from poser users to poser vendors and than more new sites with medium quality products started to appear. This made it easy to everyone think that can get money quick, I remember a few years ago I started noticing posts from people with very few posts and activity asking how to make stuff for poser and sell them. Apparently those people didn't came here to make friends or learn how to use poser better and have fun but how to use poser to make money, quick!
That was the time where I started reducing my visits on the poser forums...

My FreeStuff

Like ssgbryan I tend to "Lurk" on the forums. I still use Poser8 because I have invested a lot in V3 ( and it works fine ......after the IE11 fiasco) but...........I use Poser for exporting figures into Vue for my final work. I did invest in Poser10 but am not impressed.

Judy? I thought she got married and left!

All the Figures up to V4 have a use in Vue. It depends on what I have in mind. Several other forums on this site seem to have a lull. I think that when a new figure or version comes along, it does generate more interest and of course more traffic.

But I still regard the new features with interest.

Hey Pitklad long time no see/hear!

Hey Osper :) nice to see you!

I took a break from poser for a while and this post expresses many on my own wonderings about what have changed while I was off

I see the same motifs reapeating again and again...

However since the title wonders if hobby 3D is a dyng art, I would way that hobby 3D artists now more than ever before are split to hobby content creators (professional wannabe) and buyers-renderers.

However those hobby vendors with tech knowledge at P6 level keep the magor part of products away from using new features of new poser versions. New Poser figures once again not a bright advertisment of all the new features and get treated from SM as plain content.

Maaaaaaaany new figures - so many that none of those gets real attention even those with a whole site backing them up.

And all the victoria lovers for the first time can't use the new version as easy as before in poser

Have I missed anything?

:biggrin:

My FreeStuff

Quote - Hey Osper :) nice to see you!

I took a break from poser for a while and this post expresses many on my own wonderings about what have changed while I was off

I see the same motifs reapeating again and again...

However since the title wonders if hobby 3D is a dyng art, I would way that hobby 3D artists now more than ever before are split to hobby content creators (professional wannabe) and buyers-renderers.

However those hobby vendors with tech knowledge at P6 level keep the magor part of products away from using new features of new poser versions. New Poser figures once again not a bright advertisment of all the new features and get treated from SM as plain content.

Maaaaaaaany new figures - so many that none of those gets real attention even those with a whole site backing them up.

And all the victoria lovers for the first time can't use the new version as easy as before in poser

Have I missed anything?

:biggrin:

Just a couple of things.......

Once you get genesis working in Poser, you discover real quickly that there isn't actually much in the way of content for her.

Most of the content for genesis 1 at DAZ doesn't have Poser Companion files, so the Poser user is going to have to do quite a bit of work to get the content working - and most are not going to do it. I have about 2 more weeks to try to get the shoes I have purchased working in Poser or they will be going back. I have no idea why vendors wouldn't make Poser CF's, I guess they don't want our money - their loss, not mine.

As for genesis outside of DAZ, same story, only moreso.

I do agree with you about the Vendors. I have outgrown the Poser 6 feature set. Fortunately, 2014 makes vendors less important than they used to be.

Shoes are still my main hang-up however - that is the only item that I have had zero success in conversions.

Quote - Once you get genesis working in Poser, you discover real quickly that there isn't actually much in the way of content for her.

I think that might be one of the issues that, from some veiw points, that there appears there may be a drop off in the interest in 3D art. There is a distinct lack of content for Genesis and a lot of what is in sale is a V4 item re-worked. I know that some Genesis vendors state that the Genesis items sell well and they probably do, but some of that may be to do with the lack of competition in the Genesis content field. Whatever the viewpoint the potential market for content has been split making it less of an attraction for some vendors.

That all leads on to your second point in that the new features in Poser can be used create new, or modify content without buying from a vendor, yet again reducing the potential market. If that is the case it could well be that the forums are quiet because so many users are developing content that they used to purchase in the past.

I know I spend as much here at Rendo as I ever did, if not more, but these days it is concentrated on scenes, materials and tutorials, very little is spent on any figure related content.

All of this could lead to a different question than the title of this thread - Are you enjoying your 3D art more in the last year or less?

I use Poser 13 on Windows 11 - For Scene set up I use a Geekcom A5 - Ryzen 9 5900HX, with 64 gig ram and 3 TB storage, mini PC with final rendering done on normal sized desktop using an AMD Ryzen Threadipper 1950X CPU, Corsair Hydro H100i CPU cooler, 3XS EVGA GTX 1080i SC with 11g Ram, 4 X 16gig Corsair DDR4 Ram and a Corsair RM 100 PSU . The desktop is in a remote location with rendering done via Queue Manager which gives me a clearer desktop and quieter computer room.

Quote - All of this could lead to a different question than the title of this thread - Are you enjoying your 3D art more in the last year or less?

Definitely enjoying it more. Learning more, doing more, creating more. :)

Quote - Once you get genesis working in Poser, you discover real quickly that there isn't actually much in the way of content for her.

Most of the content for genesis 1 at DAZ doesn't have Poser Companion files, so the Poser user is going to have to do quite a bit of work to get the content working - and most are not going to do it. I have about 2 more weeks to try to get the shoes I have purchased working in Poser or they will be going back. I have no idea why vendors wouldn't make Poser CF's, I guess they don't want our money - their loss, not mine.

As for genesis outside of DAZ, same story, only moreso.

For Genesis 1, maybe, however there's been quite a few items popping up in Rendo's store in the last few days for Genesis 2, including a few sets with native format sets and poses from DM, a steady supply of V6 outfits from OOT (including the freebie), the Catfolks and three outfits for Genesis 2 male that have a jacket with movement morphs, which is pretty unheard of for male products. And those same products are sitting in either the 'Featured' or "Hot products" if you haven't noticed. (4 out of the 12 in both featured and Hot products have genesis support)

Quote - For Genesis 1, maybe, however there's been quite a few items popping up in Rendo's store in the last few days for Genesis 2, including a few sets with native format sets and poses from DM, a steady supply of V6 outfits from OOT (including the freebie), the Catfolks and three outfits for Genesis 2 male that have a jacket with movement morphs, which is pretty unheard of for male products. And those same products are sitting in either the 'Featured' or "Hot products" if you haven't noticed. (4 out of the 12 in both featured and Hot products have genesis support)

Let's review the clothing situation as it stands today. There are 5 vendors that show up under Male Genesis Clothing, when I run a search on male clothing:

Sickleyield, Oskarrasson, dzheng, kang1hyun, & Razor42

Let's start with Sickleyield since he has been at it the longest.....

SF Wasteland Vagabond G2 - From the ReadMe:

"THIS PRODUCT IS FOR GENESIS 2 Male and Female IN DAZ STUDIO 4.6 ONLY. IT DOES NOT WORK IN POSER."

SY Slim Jeans G2M- From the ReadMe:

"THIS PRODUCT IS FOR GENESIS 2 Male IN DAZ STUDIO 4.6 ONLY. IT DOES NOT WORK IN POSER."

SY Sweater Vest G - From the ReadMe:

Usage Tips or Limitations: Does not work in any version of Poser.

See a pattern here? I thought so.* * As a reminder - this is a Poser forum, not a DS forum.*

Oskarrasson doesn't make any genesis content that works in Poser, according to Oskarrasson. He certainly could be wrong about this - he also states that his products don't work on a Mac, but I have never had a problem with any of his stuff before.

Dzheng's products do not come with Poser Companion Files nor is there any statement whether or not it will work with the DSON importer.

Kang1hyun - See dzheng. His basic suit is nice - Looking at it, it is probably the best suit that has come out since then - god knows M4 never got a decent suit. It has almost as many movement morphs that the M3 Casablanca suit had a decade ago.

Razor42 has a nice pair of jeans - The swimsuit he made works via the DSON importer, so it is certainly an option. Hooray! I have 2 potential clothing items for my genesis male.

I agree that Dariofish's stuff is awesome - I have been real pleased with the genesis aliens I have purchased from him - he is also smart enough to make Poser companion files, so those folks who do try to get genesis up & running in Poser have something to work with.

Re: Female clothing - Yeah OoT does make good clubware - problem is I don't need clothing to go to the club - I'm not a Vargas wannabe - I'm a H.P. Lovecraft/August Derlith/Stephen King wannabe - so my clothing needs are different.

As far as the DSON Importer, it's been a hit-or-miss proposition - so far less than 50% of the genesis products I have purchased or gotten as a freebie have had successful importation into Poser.

Any suggestions for shoes? So far, not a single one that I purchased over at DAZ works in Poser, and there don't appear to be any for sale here.

Quote - > Quote - For Genesis 1, maybe, however there's been quite a few items popping up in Rendo's store in the last few days for Genesis 2, including a few sets with native format sets and poses from DM, a steady supply of V6 outfits from OOT (including the freebie), the Catfolks and three outfits for Genesis 2 male that have a jacket with movement morphs, which is pretty unheard of for male products. And those same products are sitting in either the 'Featured' or "Hot products" if you haven't noticed. (4 out of the 12 in both featured and Hot products have genesis support)

Let's review the clothing situation as it stands today. There are 5 vendors that show up under Male Genesis Clothing, when I run a search on male clothing:

Sickleyield, Oskarrasson, dzheng, kang1hyun, & Razor42

Let's start with Sickleyield since he has been at it the longest.....

SF Wasteland Vagabond G2 - From the ReadMe:

"THIS PRODUCT IS FOR GENESIS 2 Male and Female IN DAZ STUDIO 4.6 ONLY. IT DOES NOT WORK IN POSER."

SY Slim Jeans G2M- From the ReadMe:

"THIS PRODUCT IS FOR GENESIS 2 Male IN DAZ STUDIO 4.6 ONLY. IT DOES NOT WORK IN POSER."

SY Sweater Vest G - From the ReadMe:

Usage Tips or Limitations: Does not work in any version of Poser.

See a pattern here? I thought so.* * As a reminder - this is a Poser forum, not a DS forum.*

Oskarrasson doesn't make any genesis content that works in Poser, according to Oskarrasson. He certainly could be wrong about this - he also states that his products don't work on a Mac, but I have never had a problem with any of his stuff before.

Dzheng's products do not come with Poser Companion Files nor is there any statement whether or not it will work with the DSON importer.

Kang1hyun - See dzheng. His basic suit is nice - Looking at it, it is probably the best suit that has come out since then - god knows M4 never got a decent suit. It has almost as many movement morphs that the M3 Casablanca suit had a decade ago.

Razor42 has a nice pair of jeans - The swimsuit he made works via the DSON importer, so it is certainly an option. Hooray! I have 2 potential clothing items for my genesis male.

I agree that Dariofish's stuff is awesome - I have been real pleased with the genesis aliens I have purchased from him - he is also smart enough to make Poser companion files, so those folks who do try to get genesis up & running in Poser have something to work with.

Re: Female clothing - Yeah OoT does make good clubware - problem is I don't need clothing to go to the club - I'm not a Vargas wannabe - I'm a H.P. Lovecraft/August Derlith/Stephen King wannabe - so my clothing needs are different.

As far as the DSON Importer, it's been a hit-or-miss proposition - so far less than 50% of the genesis products I have purchased or gotten as a freebie have had successful importation into Poser.

Any suggestions for shoes? So far, not a single one that I purchased over at DAZ works in Poser, and there don't appear to be any for sale here.

Well I think a lot of companion files issue stem from the fact that people had said that it doesn't work well in Poser, particularly those that have not even tried... so it's no surprise that the rendo vendors wouldn't even try to make them compatible. But there are those that have been able to get it working with success, and it's those that need to make sure vendors know they want to be able to use their items in Poser. Although it's quite possible, as with my sales, for their income on Genesis products to increase without providing those files. But the importer can only improve if more people use the product and fill out bug reports as they find issues; if all anyone does is complain, then the vendors will keep providing those products without the Poser compatibility.

EDIT: A new outfit just showed up and it looks like it has the companion files.

If I would be a creating clothing for Genesis, I would for sure add the same disclaimer that my items for not work in Poser. If a users wants to be stubborn enough to use a figure that wasn't designed for Poser and never will be, then that's nice for them, but I don't think a vendor is obligated to make stuff that is really for DS only work in Poser as well.

The problem is that Poser and DS are drifting apart further. Stuff that used to work in both Poser and DS, doesn't work anymore after updates. If I make a new items these days, I do actually have to do double work, to make sure it works in both Poser and DS. If had items work great in the early versions of DS 4, but after the later updates stuff started to come in wrong.

So these days I'm creating for Poser only, but a a user is welcome to try it in both, it will work with some adjustments, but I'm not planning on releasing for both, since it is a headache and I imagine for vendors creating stuff for Genesis the nightmare is far worse.

Instead of keep on struggling with Genesis stuff in Poser, Poser users should simply boycott DAZ completely..... let's see how long it will take DAZ to change position on all of this.

Talking aout a boycott..... there are quite a number of vendors that do not create stuff for DS anymore due to DAZ changing their attitude towards non-DAZ vendors about a year ago. That hurted a lot of business and a good number of vendors dropped DS support after that, so that may be the case or part of it as well.

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Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk

Well, I won't go as far a s a boycott. Just stop using Genesis stuff if it iritates you. I was disappointed to find I couldn't use Genesis in Poser or DS on my computer, but I've been used to being disappointed by DAZ for a while now. They would release usually third party products that didn't run on my Mac. So I've gotten used to it.

I am sure it is possible for Genesis vendors to make profits without the companion files and good luck to them. There is little in the Genesis market at present so it should be easy for the vendors to carve out a piece of the action. All find and dandy if you are using DS, Poser is a different matter. Should Poser users really be spending time trying to make a halfbaked after thought work and reporting the bugs so it will get better, assuming of course any of the bug reports are actioned. It is up to the user to decide but it is a bit of a streach to blame the Poser users for the lack of vendor support for companion files.

As to a boycott of Daz, well I haven't purchased anything from there for almost two years. Not as a boycott as such there is nothing there that I can use that is exciting enough for me to spend my money on. I have just accepted that Genesis is not a Poser product and moved on. I am sure the amount I spent there will not impact them one bit, despite the fact I spend far too much each month. Still whatever they did lose was Rendos gain as PC membership became Prime membership and my wishlist alone could keep me going for months.

Anyway moving back to the thread title, No I don't think 3D is a dying art it is just people are doing different things than they did a few years ago, some enforced by the market maybe, but then that is progress.

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Quote - If I would be a creating clothing for Genesis, I would for sure add the same disclaimer that my items for not work in Poser. If a users wants to be stubborn enough to use a figure that wasn't designed for Poser and never will be, then that's nice for them, but I don't think a vendor is obligated to make stuff that is really for DS only work in Poser as well.

The problem is that Poser and DS are drifting apart further. Stuff that used to work in both Poser and DS, doesn't work anymore after updates. If I make a new items these days, I do actually have to do double work, to make sure it works in both Poser and DS. If had items work great in the early versions of DS 4, but after the later updates stuff started to come in wrong.

So these days I'm creating for Poser only, but a a user is welcome to try it in both, it will work with some adjustments, but I'm not planning on releasing for both, since it is a headache and I imagine for vendors creating stuff for Genesis the nightmare is far worse.

Instead of keep on struggling with Genesis stuff in Poser, Poser users should simply boycott DAZ completely..... let's see how long it will take DAZ to change position on all of this.

Does your boycott include the Gen4 stuff? If it is, you're only hurting your Poser vendors, not the DS ones. The Poser vendors are the ones looking to keep their incomes going, as the new Poser-only figures being provided to them are nowhere as good as the ones they try to replace. That's why you see some try the new figures and go back to supporting the old.

That DS reliance on Poser users actually shifted two years ago, hence vendors can afford not to provide Poser compatibiilty but some Poser vendors are now learning that they can't ignore not providing DS support. There's been a few vendors that had provided content made in Poser then did a dual release and found that they could do without the Poser support. DS Vendors that do provide Poser support do it for convenience for those customers, not necessity. My sales haven't been impacted when I don't provide Poser support and those sales have increased greatly... but I create the files because some people would like to use them in Poser so I make sure my products are rigged to work.

Vendors from other sites are hearing that they should expect decreases in income, while the Genesis vendors have been pulling more profit. That's why you're seeing more Genesis items starting to show up.

Quote - Talking aout a boycott..... there are quite a number of vendors that do not create stuff for DS anymore due to DAZ changing their attitude towards non-DAZ vendors about a year ago. That hurted a lot of business and a good number of vendors dropped DS support after that, so that may be the case or part of it as well.

This I still don't understand, so let's be clear.

DAZ is a content company. They wanted to do things with their content that Poser did not have the capabilities to do, and wasn't moving on in years (SSS, weightmapping, subdivision for example) so they built those capabilities in their programs to showcase what that can do with content. They offered it SM and they did not want it, so DAZ has concentrated on its offerings as well as expend money so that at least it can run in Poser with almost the same capabilities in Poser when now they don't have to. Meanwhile Poser hasn't released any figures worth mentioning that will energize content sales with capabilities that their software has and Poser content makers are starting to feel the pinch. Poser only added those capabitlities AFTER DAZ did via 3 service releases and a new version of the software. DAZ is doing what it should to remain competitive and relevant... who should you really upset with for not providing you figure tech?

Certainly not DAZ.

I boycott DAZ in general and all the Gen4 stuff I do buy, I get at other places. I haven't bought much figure content anyway, I've got so much of it, so I'm buying other content, like nature items.

Well, keep on dreaming about DAZ offering technology to SM and make sure you always remember that DAZ didn't create DSON on their own :)

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Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(

Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk

Quote - I boycott DAZ in general and all the Gen4 stuff I do buy, I get at other places. I haven't bought much figure content anyway, I've got so much of it, so I'm buying other content, like nature items.

As I said, not buying the Gen4 stuff only hurts the Poser content providers, not DAZ. Genesis is what is driving sales and the PAs including myself have been seeing increased sales, even when not providing the Poser support. So what you're suggesting wouldn't impact them at all.

Quote - Well, keep on dreaming about DAZ offering technology to SM and make sure you always remember that DAZ didn't create DSON on their own :)

At this point I don't think it matters, as I said. The shift has happened, believe it or not. But Poser should really work on their figure platform regardless as their vendors would like to work on new tech too that will energize their market.

And DAZ did create DSON on its own... it's the native file format of the application that describes content, scenes and for portability; it's not a plugin if you didin't know.

male m3dia- Didn't DAZ provide the "go-to" figure tech for Poser users, pre-Genesis? I know they provided mine.

IMO, Daz and Poser enjoyed a synergistic relationship for years. Genesis nullified the synergy, and both have receded to their respective individual worth, giving the appearance of a dying Poser-Daz deal.

I know me not buying at DAZ will hurt some poser only vendors, but imo those should leave DAZ anyway and start supporting Poser only figures. Again, some have done that by now and even some big names, I do hope thaty more will follow and DAZ will finally feel the impact of leaving poser users in the cold.

Quote - At this point I don't think it matters, as I said. The shift has happened, believe it or not. But Poser should really work on their figure platform regardless as their vendors would like to work on new tech too that will energize their market.

Of course the shift has happened and that is perhaps good since it finally got SM moving a bit. The problem is SM.... it is not a company that depends on content, like DAZ does. Neither do they rely on Poser, for them that's just a small part of their market they're involved in. I do think most of us are still surprised that Poser has survived as long as it has with SM.

We all know SM isn't going to work on their figure platform, they never have, for them figures are an afterthought. They do hire modelers for that and unfortunately they always seem to hire either obscure ones or inexperiences ones.... I guess those are within their budget.

If vendors are so keen on working with the new tech they should really start supporting the figures that already use some of the new tech. Nope, they're to busy creating items for DAZ figures and too worried about their income.

Besides, what is stopping DAZ from creating a figure series that works with the newest Poser technology? That would sure win a lot of poser users and vendors back. After all they call themselves the experts in creating figures and they could have created something new for Poser already, if they had any interest in doing so.

Quote - And DAZ did create DSON on its own... it's the native file format of the application that describes content, scenes and for portability; it's not a plugin if you didin't know.

I know it's native, but they still didn't develop it on their own :) As for DSON.... I just can say I'm very happy that I don't use it. Save me a lot of headache and frustration. If that's the best that DAZ can offer me then they can keep it and the rest as well.

Artwork and 3DToons items, create the perfect place for you toon and other figures!

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?vendor=23722

Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(

Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk

There are still Poser-only vendors at DAZ?

Please no fighting here, Thank you.

2 Observations.

We have 4 groups now.

V4/M4 users => the vast majority
Genesis users => DS only => The DSON thing in Poser is only for grey hair wannabees. LOL.
Dawn users => Not very popular yet, and probably never will.
They started on the wrong foot; Thinking in "dollars" about a year too soon.
FIRST make your figure popular and then start thinking about making money.
They simply forgot the first part.
HUGE and unforgivable management mistake.
Poser legacy content users. => A minority, but slightly growing.

The vendors

It seems everybody wants to become a vendor these days. Soon we will have more vendors then customers. => Automatically killing the market.
And? I see a lot more vendors becoming more and more radical in defending their choosen figure/aplication.

Vendors (again) sorry

As long as 3D stays a hobby, stays fun, stays amusement, everybody with knowledge shares his/her information and helps out beginners in the forums. => Forum activity is HIGH

Once they become a vendor all that changes. They want to pretect their knowledge.
And helping beginners becomes controlled "risk management". I will help a bit, but never release the clue.
=> forum activity DROPS , to ALL Time LOW lately.

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If the split has happened, and it has why oh why do we see the Genesis debate relived on the majority of threads in what is a Poser forum.

Genesis vendors are making piles of money, great for them and I do not begrude them a cent, but none of it is my money so I don't really care. If Poser users want to talk endlessly about why the split happened and whos fault it is then start a Poser-Genesis forum and let the rest of us, who are not interested, carry on without this endless sniping that convinces no one to change sides.

As with others, I support the Poser vendors with a large chunk of my spendable income every month. Mainly here are Rendo but also the other major sites with the exception of one. I did used to browse at Daz but I don't even do that now as there was never anything I wanted to buy. Not out to spite Daz, or any vendor for that matter, just my buying habits have changed. I do not see that changing any time soon, no matter how often I am told that Genesis is the great new tech, the must have, the one everyone is making money out of, the latest and greatest, what I am missing or anything else. Why, well because I am having fun with what I have and I don't see any renders of Genesis where I say "I wish I could do that" or any content where I say "I wish I could use that". When I do I will considering changing but only after I have seen what people are doing with it and how. No end of telling me it is great is going to work.

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Quote - Please no fighting here, Thank you.

2 Observations.

We have 4 groups now.

V4/M4 users => the vast majority

Genesis users => DS only => The DSON thing in Poser is only for grey hair wannabees. LOL.

Dawn users => Not very popular yet, and probably never will.
They started on the wrong foot; Thinking in "dollars" about a year too soon.
FIRST make your figure popular and then start thinking about making money.
They simply forgot the first part.
HUGE and unforgivable management mistake.

Poser legacy content users. => A minority, but slightly growing.

The vendors

It seems everybody wants to become a vendor these days. Soon we will have more vendors then customers. => Automatically killing the market.
And? I see a lot more vendors becoming more and more radical in defending their choosen figure/aplication.

Vendors (again) sorry

As long as 3D stays a hobby, stays fun, stays amusement, everybody with knowledge shares his/her information and helps out beginners in the forums. => Forum activity is HIGH

Once they become a vendor all that changes. They want to pretect their knowledge.
And helping beginners becomes controlled "risk management". I will help a bit, but never release the clue.
=> forum activity DROPS , to ALL Time LOW lately.

I don't know about that. I've found people, especially vendors, to be extremely helpful. About the only thing I can't or haven't completely found out is how to conform a high heel to a Poser figure's foot.

Quote - male m3dia- Didn't DAZ provide the "go-to" figure tech for Poser users, pre-Genesis? I know they provided mine.

IMO, Daz and Poser enjoyed a synergistic relationship for years. Genesis nullified the synergy, and both have receded to their respective individual worth, giving the appearance of a dying Poser-Daz deal.

But realize what I said about DAZ wanting to do things with figures with features Poser didn't have. That's one of the reasons Gen4 was around so long. But even with Gen4 you could see the path towards Genesis, with consolidating their figures into fewer using the EXP techonology, so you could mix a little bit of V4 and G4, M4 and H4, etc. DAZ is a content company, and the market was growing stagnant because nothing was done that improved the end user experience or make it easier for content developer to support more figures or make interesting content. But DAZ did offer the tech to Smith Micro, and they did not take them up on the offer, nullifing the synergy.

Both companies made errors at the time; (was it 4 years ago? ?)

SM by releasing a new Poser version with no new figures. => HUGE mistake

DAZ by jumping at the oportunity, but abandoning Poser compatibility. => HUGE mistake

The only onces left smiling where V4/M4.
When they think back at that period, they still get drunk of joy.

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Quote - 1. We have 4 groups now.

V4/M4 users => the vast majority

Genesis users => DS only => The DSON thing in Poser is only for grey hair wannabees. LOL.

Dawn users => Not very popular yet, and probably never will.
They started on the wrong foot; Thinking in "dollars" about a year too soon.
FIRST make your figure popular and then start thinking about making money.
They simply forgot the first part.
HUGE and unforgivable management mistake.

Poser legacy content users. => A minority, but slightly growing.

You forgot the fifth group..... toon figure users :) There are quite a lot of them, although they do not use a single figure, they do have a single interest.

As for Dawn, I'm not sure if she's popular or not, but I know she has gained a lot more interest then any other non-DAZ standalone figure ever has.

Artwork and 3DToons items, create the perfect place for you toon and other figures!

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?vendor=23722

Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(

Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk

Quote - Please no fighting here, Thank you.

2 Observations.

We have 4 groups now.

V4/M4 users => the vast majority

This is the group that is not buying the content, hence Poser content makers feeling the pinch. Case in point: Whenver there is a new figure released, who asks "Does it have support for V4? I don't want to lose my investment" so they get the figure but don't buy the content. Vendors don't get the money, and stop supporting it. The figure dies. Everyone goes back to V4.

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Genesis users => DS only => The DSON thing in Poser is only for grey hair wannabees. LOL.

Looking at the gallery, I'm seeing more people trying Genesis in Poser.

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Dawn users => Not very popular yet, and probably never will.
They started on the wrong foot; Thinking in "dollars" about a year too soon.
FIRST make your figure popular and then start thinking about making money.
They simply forgot the first part.
HUGE and unforgivable management mistake.

Making something free won't make something popular. Making something compelling to use does. If it's free and compelling, then that's a bonus.

Dawn's issue wasn't that, it was it was overhyped then underperformed when vendors got their hands on it. There was no morphs to do anything with the figure which caused a lot of lackluster products to hit the market at the beginning. Then add that people simply didn't buy into it and vendors lost money on their investment in Dawn so they went back to V4 or tried Genesis.

Quote - 3. Vendors (again) sorry

As long as 3D stays a hobby, stays fun, stays amusement, everybody with knowledge shares his/her information and helps out beginners in the forums. => Forum activity is HIGH

Once they become a vendor all that changes. They want to pretect their knowledge.
And helping beginners becomes controlled "risk management". I will help a bit, but never release the clue.
=> forum activity DROPS , to ALL Time LOW lately.

The thing is, how many of those vendors have time to frequent the forum? I certainly don't see many rendo vendors posting. They can't answer things they don't see. They're busy making products. I do know some vendors don't bother visiting because they see the forumites posting negative comments about vendors like these and it turns them off so they stay away.

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DAZ by jumping at the oportunity, but abandoning Poser compatibility. => HUGE mistake

No, huge risk but something that needed to be done to improve the quality of content the customer gets and the content maker makes.

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The only onces left smiling where V4/M4.
When they think back at that period, they still get drunk of joy.

But I think the risk has paid off as Genesis sales drive revenue over Gen4 and you see more vendors in this store starting to try it out as the Gen4 market stagnates and you see people start threads or derail current ones about DAZ and Genesis as they have nothing that even comes close in their app of choice.

If the present market in V4 items is stagnation, 'Bring it on', there is still more produced than I can afford in any given month.

'Protecting my investment' could also mean not paying for a product I have already purchased all over again because it no longer fits the latest fad on the block.

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I agree that big dual monitors are great for workstations. You can see Cameron and Galadriel in this (blurry - sorry) shot attached. Each has two dual-link DVI-D monitors. That's Eir & Kara sitting beneath Galadriel.

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Forum: Poser - OFFICIAL

Subject: Is hobby 3D a dyng art?

As long as users make free stuff, and give it all away, I see them answering questions.

And forum "productivity" or amusement goes downhill FAST and FASTER.

DAZ by jumping at the oportunity, but abandoning Poser compatibility. => HUGE mistake

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