Renderholic opened this issue on Jul 23, 2014 · 8 posts
Renderholic posted Wed, 23 July 2014 at 1:35 PM
Since it was on sale I upgraded from Vue 10 Studio to Vue 2014 Studio. I was getting the message that my old video card was not compatible with all the features of Vue and that those would be deactivated. I have now ordered a new video card, the EVGA NiVidia GTX 750 Ti SC with 2 gb memory. It has not yet arrived, but I have a preemptive question. Once I install the new graphic card and start Vue 2014 will it automatically read that I have a new graphic card and adjust accordingly or is there something that I will need to do to get it to adjust? Secondly, are there any options that I will need to change? I read somewhere about whether or not to set it for Shader 4, but I don't recall what was said. Any suggestions appreciated.
aeilkema posted Thu, 24 July 2014 at 1:43 AM
Odd.... if you had that message in Vue 2014, you must have had it in Vue 10 as well, since they didn't change that much. I moved from 10 to 2014 and never did get that message, whily my graphics card was quite a bit older. I now did get a new laptop with a much newer and better graphics card and there it was..... the not compatible with Vue error.
Anyway, Vue normally checks when starting up the compatibility of your graphics card, so you should be fine when adding a new card. Vue will set the compatible features for you and don't be suprised if Vue tells you the brand new card isn't compatible. Vue's graphical system is very old and outdated.
I know Shader 4 is best, you will get a more accurate display, other features I've just left as Vue has set them.
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Renderholic posted Thu, 24 July 2014 at 8:13 AM
Thanks, aeilkema. I was getting the message with Vue 10, I just decided that after spending the money to update I might as well try to get a card that will take advantage of all the features. Of course it never said what features were disabled and it still worked OK.
aeilkema posted Thu, 24 July 2014 at 9:01 AM
Hope you will get good results with the new card. Even though Vue says my card isn't compatible, I can see lot's of improvements over the old card I had. The previews are much better, the UI is much more responsive as well, so that is good.
Artwork and 3DToons items, create the perfect place for you toon and other figures!
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?vendor=23722
Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(
Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk
Renderholic posted Thu, 24 July 2014 at 1:07 PM
Will let you know the result as soon as I get it installed. I had done some research on graphic cards for Vue (Eon needs to update their list of compatitable cards!) and someone on the forum at Cornucopia 3D recommended the GTX 650, the predecessor of the GTX 750. They said they used it and it worked well. Keeping my fingers crossed that this one works well. One thing that I liked about it is it uses the new Maxwell technology so has all the speed and quality needed, but uses very little power. It only requires a 300 watt power supply so should work with most computers.
EricofSD posted Sun, 27 July 2014 at 10:50 PM
Vue does not use GPU so the number of cuda cores don't matter. Vue does reserve up to 1 g of memory and you have more than enough to do that.
The memory is manual, Vue will not automatically "go for it"
Go to File/Options ... select the Display Options tab.... change the Max Usable Video Memory to 1024
I have Xstream 2014.5 (current version) and that is all it can handle.
If you want to increase your vue render capability by decreasing render times, then you need more CPU.
Here's a nifty formula...
Number of actual cores times 2 (or plus number of virtual cores) (if intel, don't do this if amd) times clock speed or ghz of the CPU times number of CPU's. This is the render index for Vue, Poser, Autodesk, TG2 and above. (not for Bryce or TGclassic or Silo)
So if you have a quad intel that doubles to 8 cores and runs at 3.9ghz, then you have 4+4x3.9 or 24 for a render index.
If you have a duo core that runs at 2.2ghz... 2x2=4x2.2=8 on a render index. The 24 would be about 3 times as fast regardless of your video card.
Eric
aeilkema posted Mon, 28 July 2014 at 2:40 AM
Quote - Here's a nifty formula... Number of actual cores times 2 (or plus number of virtual cores) (if intel, don't do this if amd) times clock speed or ghz of the CPU times number of CPU's. This is the render index for Vue, Poser, Autodesk, TG2 and above. (not for Bryce or TGclassic or Silo)
So if you have a quad intel that doubles to 8 cores and runs at 3.9ghz, then you have 4+4x3.9 or 24 for a render index.
If you have a duo core that runs at 2.2ghz... 2x2=4x2.2=8 on a render index. The 24 would be about 3 times as fast regardless of your video card.
Eric
8x3.9=31.2 :) But that's pure theory...... in reality there are many factors in play. I've got 3 laptops.... an older one 2 cores, a newer one 2 cores / 4 threads and another one with 4 cores / 8threads. The first one gets an index of 4,8 the second one of 10,6 and third one of 16. Then I've got a pc, 4 cores / 8 threads, it get's an index of 27,2.
I've got the habit of timing my renders, so I've got nice data laying around :) The second one (index 10,6) is roughly 3 times faster then first one (index 4,8), while it should only be 2x faster. The 16 indexed laptop is in reality 2.5 times faster then 10,6 indexed laptop, but it should not even be twice as fast. The desktop indexed 27,2 is even 4 times faster then the 10,6 one, but is not almost double as fast as the one indexed with 16, only 33% faster.
An index is nice, but in real life you will get completely different numbers. It all has to do with the cpu structure, temperatures in the enviroment it's running in, ram speed, hard drive speed and so on. What all is running in the background is of a huge influence.
My advice.... get the best you can afford :)
Artwork and 3DToons items, create the perfect place for you toon and other figures!
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?vendor=23722
Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(
Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk
Renderholic posted Thu, 31 July 2014 at 2:36 PM
Just a little follow up. The card arrived and got it installed. So far so good. I am no longer getting the message that my graphic card will not handle all of the features in Vue and those features are disabled. I went in and made the changes to memory allocation that EricoSD suggested. When I was in options a pop up window told me that my current setting was hardware acceleration (I think that was the term), but that my video card would handle Shader 4. I now have it set to Shader 4. I know that Eon's compatible video cards file is way out of date so if anyone is looking for a compatible card at a reasonable price, and one that will work even on older computers, they might want to check out the EVGA GTX 750Ti. And nope, I'm not getting any kickbacks!