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Subject: So what's the best filter to convert a render in to a 2D painted look ?

RorrKonn opened this issue on Sep 26, 2014 · 27 posts


RorrKonn posted Fri, 26 September 2014 at 1:05 AM

Here is a ruff example of what I'm looking for

So what's the best filter to convert a render in to a 2D painted look ?

Thanks a lot :)

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pumeco posted Fri, 26 September 2014 at 5:08 AM

"Here is a ruff example of what I'm looking for"

Me too!


pumeco posted Fri, 26 September 2014 at 5:09 AM

... as for the filter, Filter Forge has an incredible paint filter, really very nice!


estherau posted Fri, 26 September 2014 at 6:14 AM

caan u posta link please?

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RedPhantom posted Fri, 26 September 2014 at 6:17 AM Site Admin

Virtual Painter 5.0 is a great one I use alot. This is a sample using the fauvist style.


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RedPhantom posted Fri, 26 September 2014 at 6:20 AM Site Admin

Here is is with oil painting. There's a lot less distortion.


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RedPhantom posted Fri, 26 September 2014 at 6:20 AM Site Admin

and here is the original.


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piersyf posted Fri, 26 September 2014 at 6:34 AM

What style? What medium? All different. It's how the artist puts the paint on the surface that makes it work, so NO software will do what an artist can do. Virtual Painter is pretty good, but I can asure you I've seen 13 year olds do better with oils than what this program generates.


pumeco posted Fri, 26 September 2014 at 7:30 AM

"caan u posta link please?"

Click for Filter Forge

As I write this, it's actually showing the filter on the main page (look at the first and third dot), and if you click on the "Filters" tab and search for stuff like "Watercolor", "Painting", "Grunge" and "Sketch" etc, you'll see pages of great filters, and all of the filters are part of and can be loaded into Filter Forge.

You can go further and edit the filters themselves, the way they work, and the system is even able to run standalone.  Absolutely the best filter system on the planet IMHO, because once you have it, I honestly can't see why you'd ever need another.  If a filter doesn't do quite what you want, you can edit it using drag'n'drop so that it does.

Try the demo and load it up with those paint and sketch filters ;-)
I can imagine Filter Forge is a comic artists paradise.


pumeco posted Fri, 26 September 2014 at 7:53 AM

BTW, look at the eighth dot as well.


wolf359 posted Fri, 26 September 2014 at 10:32 AM

Alienskin "SnapArt" filters for photoshop has some decent  "oil paint" filters.



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booksbydavid posted Fri, 26 September 2014 at 11:23 AM

PostworkShop has a variety of 'painterly' filters in various styles. Works well with Poser renders.

Onone software's Perfect Effects also can be used for this. You can combine various effects to get just about any style you'd like.

I use and like both. :)


icprncss2 posted Fri, 26 September 2014 at 12:34 PM

Have you tried using the sketch renderer in Poser? 


RorrKonn posted Fri, 26 September 2014 at 6:25 PM

I've booked marked all the filter app's and will have fun Demo'n them all:)
Onone software's Perfect Effects reminds me a lot of Topaz Labs.

If you try to free hand paint in a 2D app over top a render.
The .jpg looks half rendered and half painted.
I need for all the .jpg to look like it's painted.
Like my example and these .jpgs

One  ,Two  ,Three  ,Four  ,Five

I doubt saying a photoshop style painting is exact enough.
guess ya could say there 50% between a cartoon & render.
Anyone know what style Art these .jpgs are called ?

 

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estherau posted Sat, 27 September 2014 at 1:42 AM

looks very interesting!

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piersyf posted Sat, 27 September 2014 at 2:26 AM

Fantasy art.

If you're talking about media, 1 and 2 would be done with oils if painted for real, 3 is airbrushed, 4 and 5 could be a number of things.

If you don't mind editing a ton of layers in photoshop, the smudge tool can give some very good approximations of oil paint. Don't forget, oils are popular because of their slow drying time, meaning you can 'work' the paint into previous layers (blend and smudge), as well as glaze (thinned paint over the top to give a caste). All can be done with layers and the smudge tool without using any of the filters.

If you intend postworking images like that, I'd consider investing in a good tablet. Much better control than a mouse can give.


ghonma posted Sat, 27 September 2014 at 5:02 AM

Personally I like Topaz Simplify eg:

 


pumeco posted Sat, 27 September 2014 at 5:20 AM

"Anyone know what style Art these .jpgs are called ?"

They basically look hand painted in a 2D program, but since filters do that automatically, it's not always easy to tell what was done by hand and what was done in auto-mode.

The only program that springs to mind when I see those pictures is "Corel Painter", because Corel Painter lets you do both, you can auto-apply a custom paint effect and you can also paint over an image (using a custom paint style) and do it manually.  So for example, you might tell it to do oil painting, and then go over parts of it manually if you think it looks too uniform.  You can design your own paint styles as well.

Or, you might like the output of a style but wish it had more of a scruffy edge here and there, or that it had used a different colour, so you can change all that manually after it did the auto-paint (or at any time before, during, and after).

But yup, Corel Painter is the biggie if you want that sort of thing and want to paint over it manually as well, it's regarded as the best for that sort of painting but it's not cheap.  They used to do a cheaper version but I've not seen a new release for the cheaper version for years.


Paul Francis posted Sat, 27 September 2014 at 5:51 AM

Alien Skin Snap Art Oil Paint filter, plus about 10-20 layers in Photoshop. One layer utilises the filter which gives the brush stroke effect and which also has a very subtle canvas effect of it's own. Under this is a layer with a contrast-enhanced version of the original render. The paint layer is selectively erased to expose the sharper detail of the layers beneath. Once I'm happy with it, I then add the distressed FX and scratches as separate layers. The whole picture (as a single layer) then has a canvas effect applied to it, via Photoshop's "Texturiser" filter - I made my own textures to use with it though as the ones that come with Photoshop aren't any use to me. So, some plugins and a lot of layers (16 in total in this one, including the sky, smoke, haze and fog effects!) - hopefully it looks OK. I haven't seen a plugin which will do all the work for me - not sure I would use it if I could find one, as I'm happy with the creative control this method gives me. The final stage is to add the signature - it's pure coincidence that the first three letters of my surname are the same as the Mighty Frank Frazetta - means I can even use a signature like his!

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Paul Francis posted Sat, 27 September 2014 at 5:57 AM

Another example using the same technique; postworked version on the left, raw Poser 2012 render on the right.

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Paul Francis posted Sat, 27 September 2014 at 6:01 AM

Poser render on the left this time, similar technique. 

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pumeco posted Sat, 27 September 2014 at 6:08 AM

Nice!


false1 posted Sat, 27 September 2014 at 6:54 AM

Paul, thanks for generously sharing some of your secrets. I also recomend the Topaz filters for Photoshop. They give you a ton of control and are reasonably priced. Simplify and Clean are a good place to start.

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SWAMP posted Sat, 27 September 2014 at 9:56 AM

Attached Link: http://www.topazlabs.com/impression

The new Topaz filter "Impressions" might do what you want.

 I’ve been playing with the demo and the results don’t look too bad (less gimmicky) to me.

Being a bit spoiled I still prefer Corel Painter.

 

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RorrKonn posted Sun, 28 September 2014 at 12:25 AM

Some killer Art shown here ,Wish more would do more with there renders then just render.
Detail can make a ah render into a killer render I think. 

Yes I'm a fan of topaz want all there filters and any new ones they make.
a long with all the other fillter app's.I like playing with CGI app's to much ;)

in my ruff example .jpg
I didn't know a fast way to get the texture off vicky so I used clean 3 to lose the
realistick texture then converted to black and white and painted over top the black and white for color.
got detail 3 also.want Impressions.

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RorrKonn posted Sun, 28 September 2014 at 12:39 AM

Paul Francis :Ya might be a bit more demented then most of us ;)
but ya definitely one of the best Artist of us.

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Paul Francis posted Sun, 28 September 2014 at 3:46 AM

Quote - Paul Francis :Ya might be a bit more demented then most of us ;)
but ya definitely one of the best Artist of us.

Oh yes, muchos dementos!  Glad you like my stuff!

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