** Hello Dolly.
**
Well Rendero, you asked, but nobody reacted.

So good boy that I am, allow me to say "Hello Dolly".

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Such a shame that you are for "the other figure in the other application".

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HUH?

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The Dolly base is on Rendo's Hot List so it must have sold decently. 

vilters quote Such a shame that you are for "the other figure in the other application".

there wouldn't be a renderosity or even a poser for that matter with out Vicky .

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@Vilters
Wondered what the hell you was on about until I read the replies :-D

@Male_M3dia
No interest in Genesis personally, but how come Dolly is regarded as a "base", how can it be a base if Genesis is supposed to be the base for everything for Genesis?  If it's a base then what's the difference between a Genesis base and a FBM for Genesis?  It just seems like a FBM to me, I don't get the difference if it's still the Genesis base.

Think they mean Dolly is a base for all Dolly stuff. Should actually be "Character or figure shape" really, and not base. All depends how you interpret what they mean. Most people know the difference anyways that the only real base meshes are G1, G2F and G2M, and that any character for them is just a shape. Also if you read the products description it says the following-

Dolly is a brandnew high quality character figure for Genesis 2 Female(s), adding a big portion of cuteness to your Genesis 2 Female(s) figure library.
Since Dolly is based on the popular Genesis 2 Female figure, she can wear any available G2F clothing and hair and can use any G2F character textures.

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@Zev0
To be honest I never visited the page, I was just curious because of how Male_M3dia put it.  I've often wondered because If I recall, I think even DAZ do it as well, I don't see why Victoria 5 is a Base or should be called one, because like you said, it's a shape, a character.

To me a base is the figure itself, the geometry a character is based on.

Congratulations ZevO , you learned to copy and paste a description , now you need to learn a little humility and learn you have to answer the questions of those who buy your products and not send "to search in internet"

The genesis 1 and 2 meshes are the base meshes and V5, V6, Dolly, etc are figures based on those base meshes. They can have different rigging, UVs, etc. Because they come from the same base mesh, they can share UVs (textures) and mix morphs from each, and share clothing. This is basically the same model as the generation 4 characters as they share the same base mesh, however the technology at the time didn't allow them to switch rigging or easily swap UVs (there were characters that had different UVs, but they were in a different figure CR2). They all came from the same base, but users didn't have access to the base to create their own characters if they wished to. If the base genesis mesh weren't available for use, then you would have the same thing: a V6, V5, M5, M6, etc. The tech just compresses everything down into one figure so you don't have a bunch of CR2s in your runtime and morphs and textures are available for mixing.

And because the base mesh is available, you can create your own figures and not have to rely on vendor support for clothing, textures, etc. because whatever fits the base, fits the characters based on it.

If you read OOT's description on the product page, Dolly is simply a morph of G2Female.  No new rigging.  No new UV's.  It's not a base, it's a morph set.  It doesn't even have a new obj file.  If it had a new geometry file, I'd consider it a base.  Otherwise, it's really just another morph set. 

If you read OOT's description on the product page, Dolly is simply a morph of G2Female.  No new rigging.  No new UV's.  It's not a base, it's a morph set.  It doesn't even have a new obj file.  If it had a new geometry file, I'd consider it a base.  Otherwise, it's really just another morph set. 

They said it's a character and if it's different from the normal proportions of the Genesis2Female it's most likely has adjusted rigging in order for it to work in Poser as scaling alone will not work. Genesis also doesn't use obj files at all, and uses a concept of gene pools. It's a change in thinking, but it is generally separate characters as each character is added to the gene pool and you need the base character to use characters based on it. The fact that all the figures are compressed into one mesh solves the problem of vendor support for new characters. Think about it: How many characters have come and gone because there wasn't any clothing or textures for it? 

Could be wrong but it looks like DAZ are responsible for the mess in naming things.

Ever since I've been using Poser, a base is a base (and it's staying that way for me), it's geometry of the figure.  It seems as if DAZ have complicated the situation in order to resell what they've already sold time and time again - FBMs.  In other words, since they marketed Genesis as something that you add to without worrying about future compatibility, but by doing that, they have removed the need for new base figures, so in their infinite wisdom have decided that "Base" is the new name for a FBM.

Not saying that's what they've done, but it sure looks like that to me.  Despite that, Victoria 5 is a morph as far as I'm concerned, not a base, and them classing it as a base makes no difference to what it is (that being a morph for Genesis).  Victoria 4 was indeed a base, but for me personally, Victoria 5 is not a base no matter what way they justify it to themselves.  I think Victoria 5 is a FBM for Genesis despite the other complexities involved.

A new geometry defining a new figure is a new base.

If V5 is a morph to you then she is a morph, if she is a figure to others she is a figure, if she is a shape to others then she is a shape. And if she is a base to others, well then I guess she is a base. End of the day whatever it is called requires the base geometry which is either Genesis1, Genesis2 Male or Female. Personally I call them figure morphs or figure shapes. The main issue is Daz didn't really give rules as to what they are classified as. We basically make up our own classifications that makes sense to us.

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Could be wrong but it looks like DAZ are responsible for the mess in naming things.

Ever since I've been using Poser, a base is a base (and it's staying that way for me), it's geometry of the figure.  It seems as if DAZ have complicated the situation in order to resell what they've already sold time and time again - FBMs.  In other words, since they marketed Genesis as something that you add to without worrying about future compatibility, but by doing that, they have removed the need for new base figures, so in their infinite wisdom have decided that "Base" is the new name for a FBM.

Not saying that's what they've done, but it sure looks like that to me.  Despite that, Victoria 5 is a morph as far as I'm concerned, not a base, and them classing it as a base makes no difference to what it is (that being a morph for Genesis).  Victoria 4 was indeed a base, but for me personally, Victoria 5 is not a base no matter what way they justify it to themselves.  I think Victoria 5 is a FBM for Genesis despite the other complexities involved.

A new geometry defining a new figure is a new base.

Yes and people have runtimes filled with unused figures that can't share textures and morphs. CR2 and objs taking up file space. It's really not hard of a concept how the genesis framework is set up, and it's a concept that works. Someone can make a "Dolly" figure, adjust the rigging (and optionally make a UV if they want) and put it out for sale. Each character is a base as if you try to use a product that requires it and you don't have the figure base, you end up with a warped crumpled mess. Figures are loaded in with reverse deformation with the morph tools (so only your morph data is saved), so you need that base in order to use products based on that. M4, K4 and V4 are the from the same base geometry. By your definition, those aren't separate figures either. The precursor to genesis, Unimesh, was sitting behind the scenes that no one had access to use.

@Zev0
Well not really, V5 is a morph to me because she is a morph, and V4 is a base to me because she is a base.  V5 is not a base just because DAZ made it and may have decided that industry-wide naming is going out of the window just because they said so.  V5 is not a base for the simple fact that V5 is not a base, it's a morph, not because I said so, but because industry-wide naming, and user recognition of it says so.

@Male_M3dia
That's right, those figures are all one "base", just another example of how DAZ resell the same figure over and over again.  Unless I'm mistaken, if they all use the same base, then they could all have been sold as FBM for the V4 base. The problem is DAZ's typical cluelessness at structuring and naming things.  With V4 they should have released the mesh as "Unimesh" or whatever it was, and simply sold the V4/M4/K4 as seperate FBM's for it.  They still make the same amount of sales and the naming system keeps making sense.

Don't get me wrong, DAZ produce great figures and I have nothing against them taking opportunities to maximise their profits, but I think calling a FBM a "Base" is pushing it a bit.  In fact it must be pushing it, I only have a very basic knowledge of these things, and even I spotted that V5 is not a base  :-D

V5 "Base" my arse, it's a FBM for Genesis, so why not just call it that?
It doesn't stop them being able to sell it :-)

I made this rather sarcastic tread because Rendero prefers to send out mails for DS figures to Poser users instead of repairing the forum.
The mailing system is on the same level as the forums state right now. And, not a soul seems to care.

All what Zev0 and Male_M3dia posted above is very good information, unfortunately posted in the wrong forum.
Dolly's address is DS Street 4.7, in DAZ Country.

I love life, (and the little rest of hair on my scull). No need for the ; Death Seems Obvious Now.

 

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Although appreciated, the information provided was not "good" information because it is wrong information.
V5 is not a base, it's a morph for another base that already exists!

That "Base" is called Genesis ;-)

vilters quote Such a shame that you are for "the other figure in the other application".

there wouldn't be a renderosity or even a poser for that matter with out Vicky .

Poser existed before Vicky did. I don't recall whether Rendo did or not. But there were several sites on line where you could get clothing and props for the Poser figures, even before DAZ.

 Dolly reminds me of the mother from the animated movie "Coraline".

Poser was first some 20 years or so ago.
All the rest came later, as soon as they smelled "money".
LOL.

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Renderosity did not exist as Renderosity back in the pre-Vicki days.  I can't remember exactly what it was named back then.  I know it had Poser and Forum in it back then.  Before Zygote/DAZ came up with Vicki, they created Posette and Dork.  After all, DAZ included VictoriaP4 and MichealP4 legacy figures with the Vicki and Mike downloads as well as sell a StephanieP4 figure in the store.  I have an old Zygote invoice for the purchase of Nude Young Woman and a texture for it. 

Although appreciated, the information provided was not "good" information because it is wrong information.
V5 is not a base, it's a morph for another base that already exists!

That "Base" is called Genesis ;-)

A figure base for a base mesh. ;)  Reusing a base mesh is very economical. When you have a good base mesh, why restart from the beginning? Hivewire's Dusk and their horse started from the same Dawn mesh.  Even Rex and Roxie started from the same mesh, though Roxie got a few extra polys in her gens region for more detail so they can't share morphs like the other figures can.

How they are ultimately organized shouldn't make a difference.

Of course it makes a difference, it's bloody confusing :-P

 Tiens,
I was anticipating a reaction of the bladed girl. LOL.

Not normal that she lets us talk about the competition for so long.
She must be getting old.

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@Vilters
To be honest, I think Roxie's fed-up with ranting about the importance of supporting Poser figures.  She was saying to me just the other day, it's like swimming against the tide with your feet chopped off, and that hardly anyone listens to her.  There was a fair bit of swearing as well but you know what I mean.

She's not happy about the situation, that's for sure, but I'll let her know you're waiting for a comment :-D

I smell the sulphur in the air
As Vickies come from everywhere

This daunting feeling has to stop
Every Vickie, for the chop

Easy come, easy go
I'm handy with my blade you know

Be careful of decisions made
The name is Roxie - Girl With Blade

Later,
Roxie - Girl With Blade

I am fortunate enough to have both programs and have successfully used Dolly in Poser using the DSON Importer without opening Daz, or converting this or that. It was automatically in my Genesis 2 runtime that I have Poser linked to after I installed the Dolly's zips in the correct places.

On a side note lets try to keep this post in civil and positive tone.

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vilters quote Such a shame that you are for "the other figure in the other application".

RorrKonn's quote there wouldn't be a renderosity or even a poser for that matter with out Vicky .

EClark1894 quote Poser existed before Vicky did. I don't recall whether Rendo did or not.
But there were several sites on line where you could get clothing and props for the Poser figures, even before DAZ.

well guess it's imposable to know what would have been for sure but if ya took all of DAZ related stuff out of poser ,renderosity

don't think poser & renderosity wouldn't be near as big with out DAZ n Vicky related stuff.

I know renderosity ,runtime etc etc  store wouldn't be as big 

I never knew how poser survived with out SubD's anyways.

I know your not a Vicky fan. only meshes I like are the SubD meshes so all early real high polycount meshes not matter who made them I don't like .

Roxie ,V5,V6 are the only meshes I'll have any thing to do with.

be nice if the Artist signed the meshes they modeled.

bet we would see a lot of redundancy between poser,daz,hivewire.

didn't  Chris Creek work for all poser,daz,hivewire at one time or the other ?

 

 

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***Now, you all be good boys, OK?
And perhaps, I"ll let you turn the transparancy dials.

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pumeco quote Of course it makes a difference, it's bloody confusing :-P

a character needs ,1 mesh,2 map,3 rigs

if G2 has ,mesh 001,map 001,rigs 001

& V6 has ,mesh 001,map 002,rigs 002

then G2&V6 are only 1/3 the same character.& 2/3 not the same character.

 

 

 

 

 

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 Please relax guys, my "Master of disaster" just finished painting the shoulder bulge maps.
Night all.

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Renderosity did not exist as Renderosity back in the pre-Vicki days.  I can't remember exactly what it was named back then.  I know it had Poser and Forum in it back then.  Before Zygote/DAZ came up with Vicki, they created Posette and Dork.  After all, DAZ included VictoriaP4 and MichealP4 legacy figures with the Vicki and Mike downloads as well as sell a StephanieP4 figure in the store.  I have an old Zygote invoice for the purchase of Nude Young Woman and a texture for it. 

    Originally, this was Poser Forum Online, or PFO. Then it became the twin sites Renderosity/Renderotica. Then Rotica had to go its own way when Diane left. But it became Renderosity slightly before Victoria was fielded.

Could be wrong but it looks like DAZ are responsible for the mess in naming things.

Ever since I've been using Poser, a base is a base (and it's staying that way for me), it's geometry of the figure.  It seems as if DAZ have complicated the situation in order to resell what they've already sold time and time again - FBMs.  In other words, since they marketed Genesis as something that you add to without worrying about future compatibility, but by doing that, they have removed the need for new base figures, so in their infinite wisdom have decided that "Base" is the new name for a FBM.

While I don't disagree with you, by your definition, all of the Generation 4 figures are then FBMs and re-rigs of the 'base' V4 Unimesh... ;) Separating out the Genesis 2 genders was not a technical decision. This is the Real World; DAZ has to sell stuff to make money, so there will always be something new around the corner...

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Actually the reselling was more prevalent in Generation 3 than moving forward. Each figure in generation 3 was a separate figure with different rigging. So you were paying more than once if you wanted on outfit to fit vickie and aiko and stephanie. Generation 4 consolidated those purchases into 2 base figures, just like Genesis 2; if you didn't have tool like Morphing Clothes you would have to buy the unimesh fits as an addon for the clothing in Generation 4. Genesis 2, most items just fit the current and future characters so you no longer have to buy unimesh fits. Consolidating those figures into a common base wasn't something that just happened when genesis showed up. ;)  The split back to 2 genders was a result from feedback from vendors that found it difficult to make the pretty female clothing when the base had no breasts and it required more behind the scenes work to get something more gender specific when there was one base figure and weight map. That was evidently was the right decision since Genesis2 support has increased at other stores other than DAZ, hence the Dolly release by Rendo.

Speaking of Genesis characters, Joe Quick's Mole and Naked Mole Rats is on fast grab; If it had Poser Companion files I'd probably buy it...

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In fairness Male_M3dia is right there is growing support for Genesis in most of the stores, Rendo included.  Whether this is because more people have got Genesis working in Poser to a degree they are happy with or the fact that vendors have become more proficient in making Genesis stuff it is impossible to say.  Not only is there more support but the trend here appears to be that more items are Genesis only rather than V4 and Genesis. Just an observation on my part, and while I could be accused off being part of the Daz publicity team it would be in error as I have shopped at Daz only once in almost three years and that was for some V4 stuff on a massive sale.  I do not use Genesis, or see that I ever will, but I am also glad that those Poser users that want to use Genesis have a method by which they can. 

 

 

I use Poser 13 on Windows 11 - For Scene set up I use a Geekcom A5 -  Ryzen 9 5900HX, with 64 gig ram and 3 TB  storage, mini PC with final rendering done on normal sized desktop using an AMD Ryzen Threadipper 1950X CPU, Corsair Hydro H100i CPU cooler, 3XS EVGA GTX 1080i SC with 11g Ram, 4 X 16gig Corsair DDR4 Ram and a Corsair RM 100 PSU .   The desktop is in a remote location with rendering done via Queue Manager which gives me a clearer desktop and quieter computer room.

 it's easy ,fastest car wins ,which cars the fastest ? the best one.

fastest & easiest UI wins ,just ask softimage R.I.P.

fastest & most user friendly character wins.

2014 V6 is better then 1902 V4  .who here still drives a 1902 horse ?

how is any of this still a mystery.  

 

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 it's easy ,fastest car wins ,which cars the fastest ? the best one.

fastest & easiest UI wins ,just ask softimage R.I.P.

fastest & most user friendly character wins.

2014 V6 is better then 1902 V4  .who here still drives a 1902 horse ?

how is any of this still a mystery.  

 

Yes but.
A new car will shine more and probably give better miles per gallon than my 16 year old beast but both will get me from A to B.  Not only that the new car will almost certainly have more to fail on it and do I really need things like park assist.  My 16 year old Honda still does what I want it to do so why spend mega bucks with something the essentially does the same thing.

V4 does all I want it to do so why spend any money on V6.  For those that want to use V6 fine, but there are a lot of people that don't not want or cannot afford the fastest car and to a degree the same goes for the easiest to use UI 

Not many 1902 horses around but horses in general are still popular and still used by forest management teams so they are not obsolete either, just a question of horses for courses.

Not many 19

 

 

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There are two market aspects here; for some their purchase decisions are driven by technology, while for others, content is the driving force. Right now, DAZ as a content company is able to have more influence driving the technology than SM as a software company has at driving content. E-Frontier tried with the G2 figures that came out with Poser 7, releasing a lot of content for them, and partnering with RDNA to release extensive morph packages, but they didn't really offer any technological advantage over existing figures, plus there were (and are ) issues with those figures, particularly the asymmetry of the G2 female mesh.

I think SM had a window of opportunity in this regard when Poser 9 came out, but they did not take advantage of it, for whatever reason. (likely the finances of their parent)

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Yeah, listen peeps, you all need to chill, I can hardly hear my beats for the arguing!!!
WTF!!!

Later,
Roxie - Girl With Blade

Yeah, listen, you see what happens when a girl with some authority speaks out?
You all listened and did as you were told!!!

It's good cause it means I should be a moderator, and if I was a moderator I would be able to sort out the Vickie problem really quick!!!  I would delete all the posts that have got a Vickie in them and I would issue a month ban to anyone who tried to upload another Vickie, plus, if they do it again I will ban them!!!

So if there is an opportunity, you should all vote for Roxie as mod!!!
Plus, I think Shane must have died anyway, so we need another mod, it all works out perfect!!!

Later,
Roxie - Girl With Blade

Fair warning: any more arguing and personal attacks will get this thread locked and the offenders a suspension. Have already deleted a few posts. Don't mind deleting more. 

If you don't like a post use your ignore buttons. 

Carry on.

You know what's funny, I honestly don't even know where the arguments come from half the time, it's been like that a lot of times over the months I've been here.  I think I must have missed something really big before I came to the Poser forum, and these arguments somehow stem from it.  It's a bit like reading an expertly written 'Who Dunnit?' novel for me, cause I honestly haven't a clue who did what - I feel like everyone else knows but me :-D

Have to say though, I'm starting to sympathise with Male_M3dia because while I don't know what happened before (and something obviously did), I've noticed he gets a heck of a lot of flak for saying things that are nothing to get upset about (unless something I didn't see got deleted), and even when he replies to that flak, he does so in a civilised manner.

Anyway, due to the crackdown, it means I'll never get to finish my "Who Dunnit?" novel - so I'll never work it out!

pumeco,**
**

There were some people (many of whom are no longer here) who would stir up app wars when Genesis first came out.  DAZ accommodated many of the concerns raised, such as by developing the DSON Importer,  but for some folks hard feelings remain.

My personal view is that no one is forcing anyone to buy anything....

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Well that's just stupid, people getting as peeved as they do, arguing and getting permanently banned over a bloody importer.  And from what I've read time and time again, the thing doesn't even work properly!

I can understand people getting banned over things they stand up for because they feel it's something personal or an injustice, but an importer is different, it's just the product of a company you either like or you don't.  I mean bloody hell, there's plenty of stuff I don't like about DAZ, but the importer is sort of irrelevant, and if anything, it not working properly must be harming them more than anything.  And even if it worked properly and people were using it, I don't get why that is the subject of so many arguments!

I've said myself that I don't think SM should support Genesis at all, but that's strictly from the point of view of me wanting to see SM crucify DAZ with a figure of their own for a change, it's not that I don't like Genesis, of course I do, it's a damn fine piece of work, all DAZ's figures are, it's just that if I had to choose, I'd choose V4 over Genesis (but thankfully I don't have to because I have a Roxie).  To me, Genesis is an overcomplicated figure I could do without, V4 is already complicated enough and I don't like the way DAZ are going with all that Content Manager bullshit either, so I don't use DS anymore - they're getting to be like another Apple - and I don't do Apple either.  I'm quite capable of downloading a file and installing it myself, and unless that option returns, I won't be buying anything else from them.

But yup, thanks for clarifying, sounds kinda dumb for so many arguments to be over an importer, but at least I know what it's about now :-)

Well that's just stupid, people getting as peeved as they do, arguing and getting permanently banned over a bloody importer.  And from what I've read time and time again, the thing doesn't even work properly!

I can understand people getting banned over things they stand up for because they feel it's something personal or an injustice, but an importer is different, it's just the product of a company you either like or you don't.  I mean bloody hell, there's plenty of stuff I don't like about DAZ, but the importer is sort of irrelevant, and if anything, it not working properly must be harming them more than anything.  And even if it worked properly and people were using it, I don't get why that is the subject of so many arguments!

I've said myself that I don't think SM should support Genesis at all, but that's strictly from the point of view of me wanting to see SM crucify DAZ with a figure of their own for a change, it's not that I don't like Genesis, of course I do, it's a damn fine piece of work, all DAZ's figures are, it's just that if I had to choose, I'd choose V4 over Genesis (but thankfully I don't have to because I have a Roxie).  To me, Genesis is an overcomplicated figure I could do without, V4 is already complicated enough and I don't like the way DAZ are going with all that Content Manager bullshit either, so I don't use DS anymore - they're getting to be like another Apple - and I don't do Apple either.  I'm quite capable of downloading a file and installing it myself, and unless that option returns, I won't be buying anything else from them.

But yup, thanks for clarifying, sounds kinda dumb for so many arguments to be over an importer, but at least I know what it's about now :-)

The thing is, for all the images in the Rendo Gallery, the release of Dolly, etc. the importer does work. What you've heard is misinformation. Now does it do everything as well as what you're used to? No, but for some it works enough to do their renders like V4 and for some vendors to create their products, including support for Poser because there are still vendors that use Poser and they use genesis as well. The problem was that if a Poser user genuinely asked how to set up the importer or wanted information, they were instantly chastised for asking, fed misinformation they know weren't true, pasted in rehash speeches of things that weren't true or pure speculation, told to just use DS, or repeated information that wasn't true because they didn't try it themselves, etc.. everything except actually helping that person. Regardless, adoption of Genesis (particularly Genesis 2) has risen despite this, and that hasn't made some happy. But that's generally how the fights started, how some people got banned, left to go to other sites, etc.

Really whether someone wants or don't want to try something is really their decision. If they ask a question, it deserves an answer, not name calling or bullying. If you aren't able to actually help, instead of adding negativity, you can always skip to another subject.

You do not know what this is all about?
Money.

Vendors, sales, popularity, and most of all : Money.

Poser and  DS users are the best friends ; Right up to the moment they become vendors. Then the competition starts. More so for those that are trying to make an income from their sales. Within a month, they are armed and ready for battle.

3D is a fantastic hobby.

But never-ever become a vendor.

Even releasing a quality freebie puts you on the shooting list.

Every freebie downloaded is one less possible sale. 

**I know. I am on the target shooting list.

Edited an explanation will follow shortly.**

Poser 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, P8 and PPro2010, P9 and PP2012, P10 and PP2014 Game Dev
"Do not drive faster then your angel can fly"!

I don't know if anyone was actually banned, but they don't participate much here anymore.

EDIT:

Of course it's about Money, Tony.   Why is that surprising?  These companies are in it to make money; if it weren't for them we'd liely be doing something else for a hobby, or using Blender or MakeHuman...

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 Yes, and money keeps this forum open so people can post for free how the problem with this whole thing deals with money ;)

To all:
Roll back in time. 10 years ago, V/M4 was the only possibility. Content creators where few, and they "rightfully so" made very good money.

Compare to now: SM, DAZ, Hiverwire, that are 3 companies, with 3 different main stream figures.

There are a LOT more vendors, and a LOT more vendor wannabe's. Ha, only this week I posted somewhere ; Att : there are more vendors then customers... LOL.

Over time, the quality of the products has increased drastically.
Honestly, I see the most wonderfull stuff being made all over the place, but due to the competition, prices dropped to an all time low.

It is perfectly clear that some vendors are having, or will get a hard time in the close future. Not only because of market saturation, a point we are approaching fast, but also the quality required and the low prices to "beat" the competition.

**Secondly the tools.
**Poser and DS both have gotten creation or content conversion tools that where non-existent 10 years ago.
The free modeling apps like Blender and Wings become more and more capable and more and more end users are building stuff "in house". It became part of the hobby to build yourself.

Third the freestuff. And here we also see a huge increase in quality all over
( PS : I put myself here in the free stuff area).

I only build something if I have to test or troubleshoot some issue. And when the test is completed and a fix in the make? I put the test outfit in freestuff.

The outfits released are as I call them "testing left-overs". Every outfit, from the first to the last had its purpose, and 2 more are on the way to being released..

Are they production/vendor quality? Certainly not, they are pretty good, they where never meant to be "vendor quality".

I only release with procedurals, but go through the trouble of UV-mapping most of them so end users "can" texture them if they want to.

Are they popular? Oh yeah, you bet. Initially I counted on a download of 5 to 10 at the most.

Only releasing "test free stuff left-overs"?
And then for Rex and Roxie?
I could never dream of the number of downloads they got. I was shocked by their popularity.

Sometimes it is funny actually.
Roxie-The Roman, is : ha-ha-ha- historically there never where fighting Roman women at the time, the most unrealistic possible outfit.

But you can all thank Roxie - The Roman.  That outfit is build in a very-very special way.

And That outfit got all the bugs out of the FBX export in PP2014 Game Dev.

Is it perfect? No, and I would certainly build it differently now.
But at the time?
Instead of making money?
It did the Job.
And in the end everybody gets a better and more capable Poser app..

Happy rendering all.

Poser 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, P8 and PPro2010, P9 and PP2012, P10 and PP2014 Game Dev
"Do not drive faster then your angel can fly"!

@Male_M3dia
I hear you, but to be honest I just stay out of it and play it cool because honestly, without wanting to sound cocky, I know exactly where DAZ are heading with DS and Genesis, and where SM are heading with Poser.

I rely on neither of them for that reason, as far as I'm concerned it's all about format wars, simple as that.

@Vilters
Are you sure you're on a target list and that you're not just saying that to sound cool or whatever?
Doesn't sound like you at all mate, wait until Roxie hears about that!

Yeah, listen, already saw it!!!
Sounds cool, but what did you do, Vilters???
Was it really exciting, and did you get a thrill from it???
Can I call you Tony???
I've got stuff we could discuss if you wanted!!!

Later,
Roxie - Girl With Blade

Pumeco, read my last post. The personal atttack was on another site.
Thank you.

Poser 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, P8 and PPro2010, P9 and PP2012, P10 and PP2014 Game Dev
"Do not drive faster then your angel can fly"!

"To all:
Roll back in time. 10 years ago, V/M4 was the only possibility. Content creators where few, and they "rightfully so" made very good money."

.........

well...that is not really true. I have been in the market longer than 10 years, and the number of sales back then are no where near as high as they are now. There really was not good money to be made back then. There were less than a handful who could make a living off of product development. Now there are significantly more full time developers, and some of us are making good money with it.

The market has grown, but so has the quality of the figures, and also what kind of quality people have come to expect from their products. What would have passed as high quality even a couple years back just wont do anymore. People only want the best. (rightfully so)

Rawn

@Vilters
Sorry, crossposted, cool to hear the Roman outfit helped iron out some bugs!

 I think almost all the deletes and suspensions were more to do with comments getting personal and abusive rather than anyone belonging to a particular camp.

There have been a number of different threads recently that were talking of problems with DSON and all those were answered in a helpful way as far as I could see.  That is not to say there was anything wrong with DSON for, at the same time, there were also threads on problems installing V4 or M4 or getting the ++ Morphs working.

I think is has reached the point where most people have decided how they want to proceed and so it is only new Poser users and those that are returning to use Poser that want to make their choices.  One would hope we are so far away from the time of anger that we could try and help those make their choice without having an hidden agenda. 

 

 

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If I had a question about using Genesis in Poser, I'd ask it at the Daz forums. After all, they should -- and can -- answer questions about the products they sell. In this forum -- depending on who's online -- it seems that you're just as likely to get misinformation or a lecture as an actual answer to your question. 

I think we'd be a lot better off if intentionally making false statements was a violation of TOS.

"DSON doesn't work in Poser" is a patently, obviously, and clearly false statement, no different in the quality of its falsehood from saying "Dawn doesn't work in Poser" or "Victoria 4 doesn't work in Poser." And repeating it over and over may well have affected the sales of those making Genesis content, and ultimately the profitability of the site that hosts those products and THIS forum. And I do not believe that simply tacking an "IMHO" (etc, etc)  to a false statement that otherwise pretends to be indisputable makes it okay.

"I don't like using the DSON importer" or "DSON doesn't work in Poser the way I think it should" are, on the other hand, legitimate statements of personal opinion.

In my experience, stating disputable opinions as though they were facts only leads to the dissemination of harmful myths, and contributes just as much to the environment of hostility as any sort of "personal" attack. Shane has said as much again and again, and I agree completely.

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I don't come here much these days. We're advised to put annoying posters on our ignore list. But if I did that with all the people who are otherwise reasonable and post very useful information but still get overly passionate and irrational about one single subject, hardly any of the threads would make any sense. I'm missing so much of the conversation already that I can't follow half of them. Alas, except as a way to tune out complete idiots who never post anything useful, for me, using ignore isn't really a viable solution. 

Of course, people could stop pretending to be experts about subjects that they don't know all that much about....

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"IMHO" has to be regarded as a legitimate use in disgussion though, otherwise there would be no other way to say it if that's what a person really meant.  I haven't used that term myself in this thread, but very often it's necessary to use it just to keep within the ToS and to keep people happy.  People are effectively advised to use "IMHO" so that they don't come across as being indisputable, yet you are upset that some use it and I can't even see the term used anywhere in this thread, so I don't know what posts you're talking about.

Even so, you can't have it both ways, Moriador, there'll always be that inpenetrable line where people need no accept that different people have different opinions, and that they don't have to agree with them, so really, things aren't as bad as they seem.

Here is a genuine use for "IMHO", because IMHO, the reason there is so much fighting on these forums is down to two companies (DAZ and SM), it's not down to the users, the users didn't buy into these products just so that they could let rip on a forum, they bought them because they have an interest in 3D graphics and art.  So IMHO, if either of these companies honestly gave a crap about the customers, they would realise that they need to sign a deal and decide on an open platform agreed upon by both of them, and for both of them to ensure that their own product works flawlessly with that format.

Both of them need to realise that they need to put the effort into making the actual program better than each others and to hell with the figures.  If these companies spent as much time on adding useful features and fixing bugs as they do playing their freaking childish format wars, both us, and them, and the freaking forum would be much better off.  We never had to deal with all this crap when there was no figure formats to decide between, that's why the forums were a better place back then.

If you want to complain about the starte of the forums, blame the causes, which "IMHO" are DAZ and SM, not the users of the forum.

You know what's funny, I honestly don't even know where the arguments come from half the time

Because there are still a few people who think Genesis 1/2 shouldn't be allowed to be discussed here in the Poser forum because it's a DS-based figure. What they fail to acknowledge is that there are ways to get Genesis 1/2 to function in Poser, and there are more and more people doing so, because they want to use Genesis in Poser, and those people are going to have questions about it, and Genesis is going to be an on-going topic. So for those who for whatever reasons have a problem with that, the answer is simply - deal with it. Ignore threads about Genesis if you don't want to use it or don't like it, but trying to turn every thread about it into an argument is just going to get your posts deleted and yourself suspended, cause I'm not putting up with it, and admin aren't going to put up with it. I've said this repeatedly - Genesis is not an off-limits topic here, because it does work in Poser, and those people who know how to get it to work in Poser are welcome to post here. Those who want to be immature and cause arguments are the ones who aren't welcome. Really it's that simple.  ETA: Also, anyone who prefers not to use their ignore button, due to the possibility of missing out on the overall conversation, can always PM me directly about a specific post that is argumentative or otherwise hostile that I might have missed, and I'll take care of it - instead of jumping into the argument yourself and running the risk of getting your own posts deleted. Just because someone makes a negative post does not mean you have to respond to it - that's called feeding trolls and is never a good idea.

You can also PM FictionalBookshelf or Boni - our two coordinators, if I'm not around. (Might have noticed I haven't been around much lately as I'm working a lot these days, but I'm still here as often as possible, usually in the evenings lately, and I check my PMs and e-mail at least once a day). 

I've said over and over, I don't mind what you guys discuss, as long as you keep it civil and mostly on topic, and don't derail threads or cause arguments. I really try hard not to be a nazi mod. 

No worries, and thanks for the heads-up but I try to stay out of the Genensis arguments anyway, like I said, I just don't have any interest in it.

I can say with all honesty that you won't find me dissing Genesis or DAZ Studio anywhere, not in any thread.  As far as I'm concerned, DS is something I used to like (until the Content Manager crap came along), but I don't like the way DAZ are doing things lately so I generally avoid their products now (both the figure and the program), even though I have no doubt they're still good products.

No worries, and thanks for the heads-up but I try to stay out of the Genensis arguments anyway, like I said, I just don't have any interest in it.

I can say with all honesty that you won't find me dissing Genesis or DAZ Studio anywhere, not in any thread.  As far as I'm concerned, DS is something I used to like (until the Content Manager crap came along), but I don't like the way DAZ are doing things lately so I generally avoid their products now (both the figure and the program), even though I have no doubt they're still good products.

LOL, what you did is called a backhanded compliment, which is basically a diss. Just saying "I can say with all honesty you won't find me dissing Genesis or DAZ Studio." would have been sufficient enough to keep you honest.. but then the next sentence, you actually diss the product and the company (Content manager, the way DAZ runs things, you avoid their figures). Then lastly throw a compliment to attempt to cover up the dissing. ;)

If a thread is opened with the title along the lines of "having problems with DSON" I never enter the thread, not because I hate Genesis but because I am not personally interested and have never used it.  It also means I am unable to help as I have no personal experience of using it and anything I posted would be at least third hand.  I do agree however that the post should be valid in the Poser forum and, if there is not decent answer forthcoming, there is also the Daz forum because I don't think that should be a no go area either.

The problem with the use of IMHO is that sometimes it is not that, regular posters know that the opinion is not honest and the user in question knows it because of dubious of contradictory posts from the same user in the past, unfortunately the new user does not have the information required to see through the statement.  Of course that does not mean that IMHO is not valid it is just abused, but like so many other terms, it is the user at fault not the term in question. At the end of the day it is just a fact of life.

Where I do have an issue is where Genesis or DSON is not explicit in the title but thread is hi-jacked to turn it into a Genesis issue and very rarely in a helpful manner.  I used to respond thinking that the poster was actually interested in the subject but soon learnt this was not the case so now I don't bother.  The ignore button is useful but also limited so I think in future I will follow Shane's guidance and just PM him if I have an issue and let him decide.   

 

 

 

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@Male_M3dia
No I didn't, I dissed the way DAZ do things now, not the product, not DS, not Genesis (go back and read it properly this time).

I don't need to rationalise to anyone why I don't like something, either.  Like I said earlier, DAZ, to me, are getting to be like another Apple, and I don't do Apple for the same reason I don't do DAZ anymore.  So in a nutshell, I won't be patronising either of those companies, it's not Anti-DS or Anti-Genesis either.  It's basically the right to like what I want, and dislike what I want - so I'm afraid you'll have to live with that because it's not going to change.

@Hornet
Yeah, but Igonre buttons are for wimps!

If people need an ignore button then it's highly likely they shouldn't be using the internet anyway, it's really not the place for them.  In real life, if someone says something you don't agree with, it's not like you can stick a giant globe over them to ignore them and pretend they're not there, surely you just ignore them without the aid of the giant globe and move on, and that's all people need to do on a forum or the internet in general.

Take Male_M3dia's reply to me just now, I could have put him on "ignore" for thinking he was trolling and that I might be wrong about him.  But if I did that, it would mean I'm not man enough to answer posts for my attention, and that in turn would mean I'm a hypocrite, and one thing am I not, is a hypocrite.

Yeah, listen, well I don't care who likes Genesis, I don't!!!
A Genesis might have a Vickie hiding in it!!!

Later,
Roxie - Girl With Blade

Good point, Roxie, and I wonder, it might even be DAZ's way to sneak their Vickies past you and into Poser!

Yeah, that's it, that's what I'm saying!!!

Listen, they know how hard it is to get a Vickie past me, so they started to do it through the DSON importer!!!
It's two layers of protection for their Vickies!!!
First they hide a Vickie inside a Genesis, and then Genesis creeps it's way into Poser through the DSON importer!!!
Before you know it, another Vickie has got into the Poser viewport and another Poser person misses out!!!

I worked it all out, and I'm on to it!!!

Later,
Roxie - Girl With Blade

I'm so proud of you, Roxie.

@Male_M3dia
No I didn't, I dissed the way DAZ do things now, not the product, not DS, not Genesis (go back and read it properly this time).

I don't need to rationalise to anyone why I don't like something, either.  Like I said earlier, DAZ, to me, are getting to be like another Apple, and I don't do Apple for the same reason I don't do DAZ anymore.  So in a nutshell, I won't be patronising either of those companies, it's not Anti-DS or Anti-Genesis either.  It's basically the right to like what I want, and dislike what I want - so I'm afraid you'll have to live with that because it's not going to change.

Regardless, you still dissed when simply ending the sentence and ending the post would have done it. Content manager is part of DAZ studio, so it actually applies. You surely don't have to explain anything, but you ultimately did by continuing your posting farther than you should. By doing that you simply made your statement less than sincere that you wished it. Don't worry, people do it all the time, but thankfully not to each other faces... because most of us know to use restraint and stop before we contradict ourselves in those situations, but get a little freer online because of the anonymity. ;) I'm not saying it to be mean to you, just to make you aware of these types of posts where people convey the exact opposite of what they actually intended.

@Male_M3dia
Don't continue trolling, cause if I wanted to let rip with you, I guarantee you'll lose the battle of wits ;-)

I've just re-read the post (for the third time now), and there is nothing wrong with it at all, it was a perfectly civil, friendly reply to Shane.  You just sound like you're trolling, by trying to make it sound like something it wasn't.  I'm on a last warning here, so your attempts to troll me into getting a permanent ban will have to fail you (and it's clear to me why others have a problem with you now).

So, to return the sarcasm you just tried to feed me, most people will see nothing wrong in my reply to Shane (because there is nothing wrong with it), it's only those that have 'problems' that will see something in it that simply isn't there - you being one of them.

@Male_M3dia
Don't continue trolling, cause if I wanted to let rip with you, I guarantee you'll lose the battle of wits ;-)

I've just re-read the post (for the third time now), and there is nothing wrong with it at all, it was a perfectly civil, friendly reply to Shane.  You just sound like you're trolling, by trying to make it sound like something it wasn't.  I'm on a last warning here, so your attempts to troll me into getting a permanent ban will have to fail you (and it's clear to me why others have a problem with you now).

So, to return the sarcasm you just tried to feed me, most people will see nothing wrong in my reply to Shane (because there is nothing wrong with it), it's only those that have 'problems' that will see something in it that simply isn't there - you being one of them.

No worries at all. I posted my query over to some of friends that are college professors to make sure it wasn't just me. So I'm enjoying their input. We can get back to the thread now.

 STOP.

Everybody said what they had to say?
Then STOP.

This ping-pong game has no purpose at all.

@ Moderators 

Feel free to close this tread.
Thank you.

Poser 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, P8 and PPro2010, P9 and PP2012, P10 and PP2014 Game Dev
"Do not drive faster then your angel can fly"!

@Hornet
Yeah, but Igonre buttons are for wimps!

If people need an ignore button then it's highly likely they shouldn't be using the internet anyway, it's really not the place for them.  In real life, if someone says something you don't agree with, it's not like you can stick a giant globe over them to ignore them and pretend they're not there, surely you just ignore them without the aid of the giant globe and move on, and that's all people need to do on a forum or the internet in general.

I don't mind being a wimp, I just try and remember the advice "avoid loud and aggressive persons they are a vexation to the spirit".  Off of the internet I do not use a globe over my head if I find someone is spouting rubbish or is looking for a fight, I walk away quietly, so it is still ignoring someone.  I take very few things personally but I do tend to get annoyed if I see others abused or bullied, that's just the way I am.  Problem with the Internet is it has a tendency to bring out the worst in some people and they say things to others they would never say to someone face to face which makes bullying so much easier.
I take

 

 

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I can say with all honesty that you won't find me dissing Genesis or DAZ Studio anywhere, not in any thread.  As far as I'm concerned, DS is something I used to like (until the Content Manager crap came along), but I don't like the way DAZ are doing things lately so I generally avoid their products now (both the figure and the program), even though I have no doubt they're still good products.

I just uninstall Content Manger from the Control Panel and Studio 4.6 still works fine for me.  I haven't yet installed 4.7, so I can't say if that affects it. Companies are not friends nor sports teams; if someone has something useful at a good price I'll buy it....

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No worries, and thanks for the heads-up but I try to stay out of the Genensis arguments anyway, like I said, I just don't have any interest in it.

I can say with all honesty that you won't find me dissing Genesis or DAZ Studio anywhere, not in any thread.  As far as I'm concerned, DS is something I used to like (until the Content Manager crap came along), but I don't like the way DAZ are doing things lately so I generally avoid their products now (both the figure and the program), even though I have no doubt they're still good products.

LOL, what you did is called a backhanded compliment, which is basically a diss. Just saying "I can say with all honesty you won't find me dissing Genesis or DAZ Studio." would have been sufficient enough to keep you honest.. but then the next sentence, you actually diss the product and the company (Content manager, the way DAZ runs things, you avoid their figures). Then lastly throw a compliment to attempt to cover up the dissing. ;)

This is the typical comment that seeks to bother users and usually has accustomed us Male_M3dia

I ask , why do not I delete as usually done with my comments Ambientshame?

I repeat you are a discriminator which allows your friends surreptitiously attack other users and delete those that are not part of your circle, you are a pathetic Nazi, this forum is destined to die because of people like you and your "DAZ friends"  (which is what looking , not even hide it)

the 99% of the folders involved this guy end unhappily,
You asked the administrators of this site 4 times they throw me, I ask you ¿how many times you asked the thrown out to
@Male_M3dia ?

You are untenable

ps.you do not send me PM because your messages do not read, I delete them without reading them, I am big to hear your constant threats (and honestly I do not care)

you can beg to throw me out, maybe the 5th time you have success

@Hornet
Well, it's true people say and do stuff to others that they wouldn't do in a face to face situation, they have a name for them, something to do with keyboards I think, but I can't remember what it's called.

@Rod
Thanks, but last time I tried DS I discovered first of all, that my usual downloads had disappeared (without warning) and were replaced by something I couldn't click to install.  I then discovered the reason for it, DAZ forcing their "Content Manager" on to me (or rather, trying to).  I don't need or want a "content manager", and as the product is the same, DAZ should have no problem me logging into my account and downloading the usual ZIP files.

BTW, thanks for the civil reply, it's a pity Male_M3dia doesn't have the same grasp of things :-)

@Alderbaran
I'm also onto Male_M3dia's tactics now, and I just want you to know you're not alone in spotting it!
I'm amazed he's allowed to do it so often if this is why he gets all that flak :-D

No wonder!

What is this thread about again? I lost track.

My Renderosity Store

Oh ffs...I go away for MONTHS and we're still at this. I think it's well past time for cat pictures.

Laurie

@Daffy
To be fair, it seemed to be simmering down until Male_M3dia started his (apparently typical) trolling earlier today.
As you've just returned, I wouldn't let this thread put you off.

What is this thread about again? I lost track.

Seems to be some sort of discourse on the State of Man.  Not encouraging so far, but maybe the good part is coming up......

P.S. Laurie, I've been wondering where you have been hiding!  :)

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Real life is a real drag W&W ;). That and Rendo won't let me in under LaurieA anymore for whatever reason...lol. I'm stuck with the old moniker for now ;).

Now, back to....what was the topic again?

Laurie

@Alderbaran
I'm also onto Male_M3dia's tactics now, and I just want you to know you're not alone in spotting it!
I'm amazed he's allowed to do it so often if this is why he gets all that flak :-D

No wonder!

thanks pumeco but unfortunately this not going to changea couple of months @ Male_M3dia not you post on here and the result was made:
any folder or comments closed, all peace...

he back with their usual sophistries and returned chaos

There is a saying in my country that says:
if it barks, has 4 legs and wags its tail, we all know that we are talking,

but AS not suspended nor deleted their post, this will end in the near future with Male_M3dia ,  Ambientshame and ZevO embracing and celebrating the end of Renderosity

I found it and other friendlier places for Poser users so fortunately I come here less and less ,  and after the treatment I received from the discriminator Ambientshame I do not think I will ever buy anything more here

 Now you mention it, this is not the 'Hello Dolly" I seem to remember.

 Trying to get back on track though, has anyone used Dolly and, if so, how about some renders.

 

 

I use Poser 13 on Windows 11 - For Scene set up I use a Geekcom A5 -  Ryzen 9 5900HX, with 64 gig ram and 3 TB  storage, mini PC with final rendering done on normal sized desktop using an AMD Ryzen Threadipper 1950X CPU, Corsair Hydro H100i CPU cooler, 3XS EVGA GTX 1080i SC with 11g Ram, 4 X 16gig Corsair DDR4 Ram and a Corsair RM 100 PSU .   The desktop is in a remote location with rendering done via Queue Manager which gives me a clearer desktop and quieter computer room.

@Alderbaran
Drop me a message and tell me where the other place is, just in case Shane actually believes the crap Male_M3dia said, and I end up getting zapped!
There must be a reason Male_M3dia can still do this with the reputation he has, so I'm not holding out much hope for my own membership remaining.

 how are you all not tiered of fighting. I'll never know.

there's a ignore button now.

oh and the new rule is if your going to post a argumentative post ya half to post your original render to go with it .

render away :) 

 

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The Artist that will fight for decades to conquer their media.
Even if you never know their name ,your know their Art.
Dark Sphere Mage Vengeance

RorrKonn for mod ;-)

 
pumeco quote RorrKonn for mod ;-)

LMAO the inmates would be running the asylum then :)

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The Artist that will fight for decades to conquer their media.
Even if you never know their name ,your know their Art.
Dark Sphere Mage Vengeance

@pumeco

Ok check PM

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**@**RorrKonn

We are running for asylum now...

You do not need to DAZ's DIM (Download Install Manager) to download your content from DAZ.  Go to Product Library from your account select a product and there will an option to download manually.  The DIM files are just zip files that can opened with just about any zip utility although Windows built-in zipper doesn't like zips with 0k files inside which some products do have.  When unzipping extract the files that are inside the "Content" folder inside the zip.  For anyone that may want to try DAZ Studio you do not need to use Smart Content that is handled by CMS (Content Management Service).

@RorrKonn
:-D

@Alderbaran
Got it, cheers ;-)

@Jetsmart
I did try that, and they wouldn't unzip in any way, but at least that sounds promising.

What about renaming them, though?
Is there a certain extension the unzippers would be happy with with these files?

 

 all these post n no .jpgs

oh ya nickel back nickelback no fixed address is out

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEW_MGMIgp8

rock on :) 

 

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The Artist that will fight for decades to conquer their media.
Even if you never know their name ,your know their Art.
Dark Sphere Mage Vengeance

Personal attacks against moderators will also get you suspended, whether you choose to read your PMs or not is not my problem.