My PC crashed this morning, I lost everything. Poser stuff was all back-uped but stuff like wildfire and Apo were not. I downloaded wildfire, but it won't work. My new OS is Windows 8.1 So far I have no idea where to find Java, and worse, when I downloaded Java (because I couldn't find it on my new machine) It came with a whole load of other junk and a trojan. Can you believe it? What a mess. Luckily the virus protection caught it, and I got to spend a lot of time cleaning out the other junk. Anyway, I guess I won't be playing in fractals for a while. I kond of doubt the old version of FE will work either, I think I'm going to cry.