Folks, for some time I've been growing increasingly uncomfortable with this site - it has strict rules for posting images, particularly in respect of nudity etc. which I have fully supported over the years, despite a few reminders from mods........I have seen an increasing preponderance of schoolgirl and soft-porn images, morphs and outfits which make me feel a bit queasy. Today I logged on for the first time in weeks and actually thought "this looks like a soft-core porn site" (a bad one!). I don't know what's gone wrong and how a straight-laced set of posting rules has allowed vendors to peddle stuff that I would be embarassed to show to colleagues/friends/family or God forbid, children, but I am going to close my account and my gallery. I have been a member since 1998 (not 2000 as my profile shows) and this all feels a bit crappy. To all those who have been kind enough to comment on what I like to call my "art", I thank you, and to everyone who has ever answered a Forum question of mine (I'm looking at you Bill), I guess I can only say "thanks" and to politely suggest that noting lasts forever. The 1990s have finally died and Renderosity needs to be put humanely to sleep. IMVHBO.

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why don't you just take a break instead? I also been here since 98 (willow and grey) but these nudie pix-n-stuff tend to fade in and out.

There is generally a nude advisory. While I don't particularly care for too adult content, i would not go as far as some people who would say the Venus De Milo or Michelangelo's David who consider them "pornographic". What's generally posted here is mild compared to some websites. Deviant Art often has work that is over the line. There is some that is artwork and some that is gratuitous nudity. Those who have kids and don't control their access to sites, that's really the parents task to teach them the difference between pornography and art. Good luck in that as what kids do and have access to today make us look like snow white innocents. Pintrest generally does a better job although I've seen a lot of stuff get by there that shouldn't, whereas tumblr and other sites can be great, they can also be like Russian roulette in clicking on a link.

One of the reasons I use ad blocking software is sometimes news stories use horrible headlines. I frequent a few tech websites, gaming news sites, and science fiction covering websites that happen to be under one web publisher and their advertisements for content covered in news stories on their other sites can be really offensive. So you might be reading about a League of Legends match and see some linked article frame on the webpage that has wording I wouldn't want anyone under 15 to read.

Sadly there is no real way to filter content. Parental content filtering software often filter out references to medical research on injury or cancers due to certain words. As far as sex being rampantly used in website traffic, as well as advertising... well it's everywhere. Unless your living a Luddite lifestyle you really can't avoid it. It's in music, film, magazines, commercials, books, anything you can think of... As far as condemning Renderosity for what artists post, well anywhere you go you'll run into differing opinions on how far art can go before it becomes pornography. It's also a cultural ideal too, differing there from culture to culture. I have friends who are shocked at how people here react to a nude scene in a film compared to extreme violence that's common place in today's films and television. I agree violence shouldn't be as accepted here as it is, and if anything the outcry should be more over that than nudity.

I also totally agree with Miss Nancy. Like all things it's a cycle. Taking a break from something troubling is often best, better than making yourself sick with concern over something you have no control over. There's a really old joke:

Patient: "Doctor it hurts when I do this..."

Doctor: "Don't do that."

The dust settled, thinking "what a fine home, at least for now" not realizing that doom would soon be coming in the form of a vacuum cleaner.

Totally agree Paul, and I've appreciated your work for some time. I considered going on a rant about things like imagination and the make art button but who wants to hear that crap and it certainly would be a waste of breath. I'd just like to say that perhaps you should step away or ignore the things that you find so distasteful, for the sake of having rendos old thread archive to enjoy, which I think is a treasure for any Poser user... even considering its increasingly decimated state.

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Well, I rarely go to the galleries, so I did today.

What happened???

1. It is SUPER slow 2; Where can I select Poser? Before I could select what ? Now I am waiting minutes before my screen to get something to refresh.
2. This was the last time I went to the galleries.

Someone is KILLING this site.

And they are doing a VERY good Job at it.

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I normally dont post in these "Im sick of all the naked boobie chicks ",Threads

But Alas here I go

Web Galleries ,IMHO ,are for people to post what they like to create & see hence all the nudity.

This entire, poser based, site is symptom of the larger problem of waning interest in the program because of the lack of innovation and new technology. Resulting in a lack of new ways to create& use content for, (lets be honest)... DAZ Vicky 4 .

Most people IMHO use Poser/ Daz to Make images Idealized Fantasy Love/Sex partners captured in single still moment. No surprise you have Alot of men rendering some personal variation of a Naked Vicky.

With the notable exceptions of people making web comics Hardly anyone seems to using the program to" tell stories" anymore.

Even non original Genre's like when we used to see alot of new themed content after a Major Fantasy /sci fi movie release ( LOTR for example) I see few things in the way of Sci fi themed content for poser anymore. No aliens or cool mechs.

However I see ,( A likely Doomed) effort to renovate Roxy or to inspire interest in the so called Dawn "special Edition" OK...great!!!... any Creature morphs, Obesity morphs, Aging morphs, Ethnic morphs planned for these poser native figures????

Not likely because IMHO the pose user base remains hopelessly obsessed with *NSEWG's

*( naked,skinny,eurocentric,white girls)

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wolf359 posted at 9:39AM Wed, 16 September 2015 - #4228668

I normally dont post in these "Im sick of all the naked boobie chicks ",Threads

But Alas here I go

Web Galleries ,IMHO ,are for people to post what they like to create & see hence all the nudity.

This entire, poser based, site is symptom of the larger problem of waning interest in the program because of the lack of innovation and new technology. Resulting in a lack of new ways to create& use content for, (lets be honest)... DAZ Vicky 4 .

Most people IMHO use Poser/ Daz to Make images Idealized Fantasy Love/Sex partners captured in single still moment. No surprise you have Alot of men rendering some personal variation of a Naked Vicky.

With the notable exceptions of people making web comics Hardly anyone seems to using the program to" tell stories" anymore.

Even non original Genre's like when we used to see alot of new themed content after a Major Fantasy /sci fi movie release ( LOTR for example) I see few things in the way of Sci fi themed content for poser anymore. No aliens or cool mechs.

However I see ,( A likely Doomed) effort to renovate Roxy or to inspire interest in the so called Dawn "special Edition" OK...great!!!... any Creature morphs, Obesity morphs, Aging morphs, Ethnic morphs planned for these poser native figures????

Not likely because IMHO the pose user base remains hopelessly obsessed with *NSEWG's

*( naked,skinny,eurocentric,white girls)

Soon to be rendered in posers very own PBR..YAYYY!!!

Not meaning to start a this or this (program bait) but I will say a lot who are talking about V7 and bending are using V7's and G2's to do the same NSEWG work posted here and at Deviant Art. I think singling out one or the other is a mistake. I think the general concept of NSEWG runs rampant in 3d art. In many sites more so than others. And when ethnic character models come out for either program, they just don't sell as well as the NSEWG type models which is a real shame. Not that NS ethnic women won't be posted whenever they become popular. It's on every 3d website. Probably the best two that aren't inundated with nudity are CGSociety and ArtStation (might be naming ArtStation wrong, am still sleepy).

Being a member of the CGSociety forums I can say there's practically no this program or that fighting. It's posting and "here's how I did this" with works in progress. Just that alone is worth hanging out in their forums. I know several Daz Studio users and Poser users who think CGSociety members look down on them due to both programs being considered "hobby programs" but I've not seen threads about that anywhere there really. Mind you many, many more industry artists use CGSociety and Artstation for their portfolios. Running into people who work on films, magazines, and books there is much more common place there than here....

As far as the galleries here being broken, yeah I've heard that from friends who used to post a ton (and they aren't NSEWG images). I think the website needs to hire a different programmer. The gallery and posting is a big Prime sale point and if it's broken it's not worth mentioning.

On nude V (pick your own version number), it is kind of shocking as I mentioned before at Deviant Art. You'll see lots of artists and nice work, and then suddenly scenes that would fit in an adult magazine. And sadly it seems to be more rampant among the 3d artists posting there than those who paint or draw, though photography of people has a ton leaning toward gratuitous over there too.

The dust settled, thinking "what a fine home, at least for now" not realizing that doom would soon be coming in the form of a vacuum cleaner.

wolf359 posted at 5:38PM Wed, 16 September 2015 - #4228668

However I see ,( A likely Doomed) effort to renovate Roxy or to inspire interest in the so called Dawn "special Edition" OK...great!!!... any Creature morphs, Obesity morphs, Aging morphs, Ethnic morphs planned for these poser native figures????

Not likely because IMHO the pose user base remains hopelessly obsessed with *NSEWG's

*( naked,skinny,eurocentric,white girls)

Soon to be rendered in posers very own PBR..YAYYY!!!

I was not going to bother to respond here but I will, firstly to voice my opinion that it is sad to see another person leave and second try and add a little accuracy.

Any creature Morphs, well Dawn has the creature head morphs, any obesity morphs, yep she has them as well. Not only that but there are a couple of great African characters.

Not going to get into an argument though, any one interested can head over to Hivewire3D and look for themselves, others will stay here and continue to knock Poser, a program who's content they do not appear to follow very closely.

Well that was my one for the road I'm off but from one Paul to another, there are sites where you can show your kids and they are proud of the fact. I hope I bump into you there at some point.

Have fun everyone.

 

 

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hornet3d posted at 12:09PM Wed, 16 September 2015 - #4228717

wolf359 posted at 5:38PM Wed, 16 September 2015 - #4228668

However I see ,( A likely Doomed) effort to renovate Roxy or to inspire interest in the so called Dawn "special Edition" OK...great!!!... any Creature morphs, Obesity morphs, Aging morphs, Ethnic morphs planned for these poser native figures????

Not likely because IMHO the pose user base remains hopelessly obsessed with *NSEWG's

*( naked,skinny,eurocentric,white girls)

Soon to be rendered in posers very own PBR..YAYYY!!!

I was not going to bother to respond here but I will, firstly to voice my opinion that it is sad to see another person leave and second try and add a little accuracy.

Any creature Morphs, well Dawn has the creature head morphs, any obesity morphs, yep she has them as well. Not only that but there are a couple of great African characters.

Not going to get into an argument though, any one interested can head over to Hivewire3D and look for themselves, others will stay here and continue to knock Poser, a program who's content they do not appear to follow very closely.

Well that was my one for the road I'm off but from one Paul to another, there are sites where you can show your kids and they are proud of the fact. I hope I bump into you there at some point.

Have fun everyone.

This would be good to post in a thread somewhere. Safe 3d art sites for families with links. It might get shut down here but there should be a thread somewhere that posts it. Sadly filtering content on all these sites leaves a lot to be desired. Thank you for the reply Hornet3d. I do shop at Hivewire, but haven't really visited their forums. Will start to check them out more. :)

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I get tired of the "Everybody's doing it so get used to it" argument. What ever happened to standing out? Being unique? Sticking to principles? Why does everyone cater to the lowest common denominator? People push sales with sex because people don't take a stand. I don't care if the store wants to sell the latest microscopic transparent bikini that makes the emperor's new clothes look abundant. But it shouldn't be in the ad selling baby shoes (for a baby not fetish wear) or a frying pan. Cause let me tell you no one wears that while fraying bacon (twice). And if a site says no porn, the members should respect that and not push it. And the site should enforce the TOS.

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Kind of on the other side of the coin there are people leaving because of what they see as censorship. Is not the best way to solve this is to use peer pressure? We are all here because we like CG, if there where more professionals posting images on the site it would encourage more diverse content from everyone else and move away from images that cause offence. I'm not a professional but I'm sure they like free publicity, for example "picture of the day" type content on the front page would give them opportunity to show their work.

It's not very hard to filter what you don't want to see. All you have to do is go to View Profile>Edit Profile>Gallery Tab & set the filters. That's what these filters are there for, so please use them.

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WandW posted at 6:13AM Thu, 17 September 2015 - #4228907

At least we're not fighting about stealing someone's freckles anymore...

Wait... what?

If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.

3DFineries posted at 3:40PM Thu, 17 September 2015 - #4228903

It's not very hard to filter what you don't want to see. All you have to do is go to View Profile>Edit Profile>Gallery Tab & set the filters. That's what these filters are there for, so please use them.

bummer: no Dawn filter, no Pixi filter and no Poser4 render engine filter either.

Fighting! I thought we were all being quite civilized Forum posting in the 1940s

Thank you 3dFineries for coming in here. I know there is frustration when when overwhelmed by imagery that you don't particularly care for. I don't care for over-indulgent nudity for the sake of nudity myself. But it's true that there are waves of "Nudie" works and then they lighten up and more varied work comes back. It's the nature of the beast called Poser/DAZ ... Keep in mind because it is a lower priced program there will be less experienced and younger folks rendering. Hormones to consider and erotic interests abound when you have digital dolls. We don't like to admit it ... but it's there. We shrug at the obvious self-indulgent works and go on to the ones we like more. At least that's MHO. Not all artwork will appeal to all viewers, but we all have the tools to create what we want and that is the purpose of the software and this site. So please don't be disheartened. It gets better.

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RedPhantom posted at 9:49AM Thu, 17 September 2015 - #4228821

I get tired of the "Everybody's doing it so get used to it" argument. What ever happened to standing out? Being unique? Sticking to principles? Why does everyone cater to the lowest common denominator? People push sales with sex because people don't take a stand. I don't care if the store wants to sell the latest microscopic transparent bikini that makes the emperor's new clothes look abundant. But it shouldn't be in the ad selling baby shoes (for a baby not fetish wear) or a frying pan. Cause let me tell you no one wears that while fraying bacon (twice). And if a site says no porn, the members should respect that and not push it. And the site should enforce the TOS.

lol Vicky, frying bacon since prehistoric times... in a bikini... lool If that's not a contest winning image for humor somewhere...

The dust settled, thinking "what a fine home, at least for now" not realizing that doom would soon be coming in the form of a vacuum cleaner.

Well the old Rendo-rules "No nudity in thumbnails" and having a nudity tag on pictures, that includes nudity seemed to work quite well. If ther's a nudity tag, don't go there. make sur to set your filter. When I joined that site in 2004? , there was a lot more nudity and sexual content, than today. Lot's of vendors, that are now on R'otica had their products here. It all became quite calm here. So where is the point?

It's very true, Boni. Everyone is so vastly different so naturally they have different views on what art appeals to them. I do notice that 'nudies' come in waves and then it ebbs away and then comes back again. Not sure members noticed the announcement that there are filters for it and staff has been on top of making sure nudity, etc. is marked.

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OP: Don't forget to close the door when you leave. I'm sure some Pokémon website would be more up your alley. Although you're bound to run into Pokémon erotica as well.

I'm no prude here, and I don't really care about nudes in the gallery, however I will say that I do appreciate the forums without the skimpy clothes that used to be in the ads on the right side. I work at home and sometimes I'd feel slightly embarrassed when my wife or daughter would walk in my room. On the other hand, I'm guessing the vendors don't appreciate it because nearly every purchase I made was an impulse buy from clicking on one of those ads, and I'd bet I'm not the only one.

On the whole, it seems to me like the whole hobby CG deal is nowhere near the level is was a few years ago, even at CGSociety the activity seems down compared to what it used to be, and substantially so. Some of the larger Poser/Daz forums are increasing cookie length so it appears there is more activity than there actually is.

I guess things come and things go, interests fade, and people also come and go.

WandW posted at 8:07PM Thu, 17 September 2015 - #4228907

At least we're not fighting about stealing someone's freckles anymore...

LOL — I remember that. Wow, that was some thread and a half...

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Meh....

So change your gallery filters and stay out of threads with Multiple Advisories. Especially mine. I post a lot of nudes in there. Not gratuitous, but nudes none the less....

If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.

SeanMartin posted at 5:57PM Thu, 17 September 2015 - #4229045

WandW posted at 8:07PM Thu, 17 September 2015 - #4228907

At least we're not fighting about stealing someone's freckles anymore...

LOL — I remember that. Wow, that was some thread and a half...

Got a link? I need a good laugh....

If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.

That's really old stuff. The Coles Notes version of the story, IIRC, is like his: someone had created a texture for V2 that used freckles off the back of the hand and face from one made for Posette. People went ape-sh*t, with detailed close up images of the freckles in question and whether or not said freckles had come from another texture altogether.

It was pretty wild.

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I guess some people just need something to complain about. Was the V2 texture for sale? I could see that. That's why I don't like creating such things. Well, that and I am not good enough at it to actually create a body texture that I could release. I have a hard enough time with the few clothing items I make.

If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.

As I remember (and I could be wrong), they both were, and the merchant putting out the V2 texture was under the impression that if he heavily reworked it (which, truth be said, he did — the infamous freckles were visible but under three or four more layers of post work), it was okay. And people went ballistic on all sides.

But those were the days when there were relatively few products, and people were very territorial. As a mod at PoserPros, I had to assess whether or not a certain lighting set series was the same as another — both were on sale. Vendor A asked me to go as deep as I could into the make up of Vendor B's lights to confirm whether or not they'd been stolen from him. Lighting being pretty mathematical, it was easy to determine that yes, Vendor B had. But freckles? An entirely different story.... LOL

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thehawkman posted at 11:32PM Fri, 18 September 2015 - #4229005

OP: Don't forget to close the door when you leave. I'm sure some Pokémon website would be more up your alley. Although you're bound to run into Pokémon erotica as well.

Man, I just love your artwork. Also what is "Pokemon"?

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Paul, here's the thing... at least, from my POV. I like a lot of the people here, but, like you, I find the marketplace increasingly... skanky (I hope I can say that here. You cant at the DAZ fora, you know). But (no pun intended) emphasis on putting the tits out there — no matter what kind of outfit you may have on sale, apparently the only way to properly showcase it in the MP is with a thumbnail that's cropped between milady's throat and ribcage. The newsletters have gotten such that they look like those hooker magazines one can find all over Vegas. And when the new galleries were fired up, I was appalled to see that the images Rosity thought I (as a gay man, you understand) would like to see were photos of naked blonde chicks. Apparently this was the default until the algorithm had something to work with, but even now, when I go to the MP and I see what's "recommended", I start to wonder who programmed this site because I really have zip interest in teeny little negligees and morphing "see her strip for you!" underwear. If it's all a phase, as someone suggested, it's been a phase for a really long time. If you want a real giggle, look at the image that has the absolute, all-time most views. It tells you a lot.

But the great thing about the internet is that there are a lot of places to post your images now. I put my cartoon on about six sites in addition to its home page. If you havent checked out glossom,com, I suggest doing so. A lot of really good stuff happening there. Behance is another one, and the beauty of both is that they're still small enough that you dont get drowned in the onslaught like you would at DeviantArt. They're not Poser or DS exclusive, but that just makes things more interesting, IMHO, and you;ll find plenty of inspiration that goes well beyond NVIATWAS.

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I also don't have a gallery here any more, and while I don't really mind the nudity thing, there seems little clothing for sale that isn't, let's say skimpy. What pushed me off Rendo was the extreme slowness of the site and the proliferation of third party advertising. Perhaps they slowed the site down to make us read the adds. And on top of that a lot of the old timers in the forums packed up and left this year saying they'd had enough. I have an uncomfortable feeling that both Poser and Rendo are in the same boat sailing off to oblivion and Daz will be all that's left. I hope I'm wrong about that.

I don't visit the galleries. Why? Because, it's generally either really weird, really bad or it's softcore porn. I don't have any issue with any of those, but there's no reason for me to waste time for them.

There HAVE been some really excellent renders, over the years. Some artists have a very nice style, too. But, good examples of these things seem few and far between, these days. I'd probably visit the galleries more often if I knew of quality renders, especially if the artist would give a good listing of the items used, textures, a brief synopsis of the lighting and any customized assets... Mostly, it's just "look at what I did" sort of stuff, I guess.

Back in 2002, the last time I was playing with Poser 3, we had "newsgroups" for poser art and 3d art in general. No moderators, post whatever you want. You quickly learned which posters to ignore and which ones to read. The art was varied and creative, with a fair share of nudity and softcore, but an awful lot of really good art too. When you posted something it lasted for a couple days, and then was gone, buried under the flood of new art coming in all the time. It was wide open and unsupervised, but it worked. I miss the newsgroups.

But even then the newsgroups were dominated by teenage boys who got Poser for the sole purpose of gawking at naked females and creating scenes of mayhem and destruction featuring giant weapons, battle-bots, and (of course) half naked women carrying giant weapons. In that respect, nothing has changed much in the 13 years since I last played with Poser.

I came back to Poser because now that I'm retired I thought I'd like to do a graphic novel just for fun. But what I have in mind involves 19th century period costumes, no nudity, no giant weapons, no mayhem and destruction. Just good story-telling (I hope). I guess I'm obsolete. But that's OK. I'll still enjoy doing what I enjoy doing. I'll find some place to post my art.

I just got an earful from a mother who's 5 or 6 year old boy was gawking over my shoulder in a food court and saw this. I think the advertisements on here should probably tone it down. As far as the gallery, stay within the TOS and post away. I have never said I am sorry so many times in 45 seconds in my life, and it wasn't pleasant and wasn't even my fault really. But I can see the point.

If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.

I just got an earful from a mother who's 5 or 6 year old boy was gawking over my shoulder in a food court and saw this. I think the advertisements on here should probably tone it down. As far as the gallery, stay within the TOS and post away. I have never said I am sorry so many times in 45 seconds in my life, and it wasn't pleasant and wasn't even my fault really. But I can see the point.

I find it annoying that that was my post the ad appeared over. But I guess there's nothing we can do about that. I came here to share my art and learn from the experts. I guess there's a price I have to pay for that. But I sure would enjoy seeing art that didn't center on half-dressed women, huge weapons, and death and destruction.

What about the idea of a juried gallery, a safe haven for art that isn't teenage boy bait.

Yeah, I was scrolling back up after I posted in your thread and bang! I was busted.

Sex sells, we all know that. I guess I will be more careful about where I sit in a public place from now on. At least until someone in charge of this site takes notice of all the complaints and does something about it.

Maybe that will happen. (sarcasm)

If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.

fiziwig2 posted at 8:49PM Tue, 22 September 2015 - #4230217

I just got an earful from a mother who's 5 or 6 year old boy was gawking over my shoulder in a food court and saw this. I think the advertisements on here should probably tone it down. As far as the gallery, stay within the TOS and post away. I have never said I am sorry so many times in 45 seconds in my life, and it wasn't pleasant and wasn't even my fault really. But I can see the point.

I find it annoying that that was my post the ad appeared over. But I guess there's nothing we can do about that. I came here to share my art and learn from the experts. I guess there's a price I have to pay for that. But I sure would enjoy seeing art that didn't center on half-dressed women, huge weapons, and death and destruction.

What about the idea of a juried gallery, a safe haven for art that isn't teenage boy bait.

Rokket, I do wonder what she would've said if she'd taken a good look at the ad and said out loud what was so offensive.

I do not believe we should censor or inhibit anyone here from doing what they wish with their art. The art of Boris Vallejo and Frank Frazetta amongst others would be lost if people gave in to the puritan thoughts of a few. I shouldn't have to watch what I do because some mother was nosy and should've been watching her kids instead of an advertisement that showed nothing but a 3D pretty girl sighing happily at the taste of a good meal.

I have no problem with scantily dressed people, huge weapons, or death and destruction.

As far as Rendo's behavior This is the ad at the top my screen this very second.

Looks like a cyborg, holding a gun. Probably on some half dressed woman.

And stop picking on teenage boys. They are what they are. Half the population.

Huh.. I guess it's a cultural thing..

If it was ME getting an earful from that mum, I would have told her to keep her brat in check and teach him not to stick his nose where it doesn't belong.. looking at other peoples computers is rude! Then I would have told her to mind her own business. I would certainly NOT have apologized! But then again, over here people would not have reacted to that ad anyway. Nudity is mostly considered natural and not dirty.

I can only guess you are American ;)

I am an American. I am also a Caucasian male, so I am wrong by default. I was on a Navy base when the incident occurred. They are too "politically correct" for my taste. What I wanted to say I didn't dare, lest I incur the wrath of some high ranking knucklehead trying to make it to a higher rank.

If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.

And I for one won't pick on teenage boys. I wish I was still one!

If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.

rokket, I feel your pain. I'm an american too and I do agree with DreaminGirl, peeking at another's laptop without permission is rude. However, I did my time on the wall and while like most men and women we were warriors in waiting, there is always some knucklehead trying to make it to a higher rank. Doesn't excuse those kids or their mom. I think I know you well enough to know you had to bite your tongue to keep from blistering that mom. I don't blame you for that. Most of us love our moms and respect all moms. Doesn't mean they are right in everything. It just means we cut them a little slack.

The teenage boy line was for fiziwig2. Teenage boys have it hard enough to just get through adolescence without being used to make a point.

As far as I can see, most follow the TOS and to get back on track with original topic, I don't think anything has gone wrong at all. I don't look at excessive gore because I don't wish to. I don't mind looking at beautiful renders of beautiful women anymore than I would complain about a Frank Frazetta cover or a Pin-up by Gil Elvgren. With respect to Sail Beyond the Sunset, I too, would love to live in a world designed by Maxwell Brand with buildings designed by Howard Rourke of the Fountainhead (A proxy for Frank Lloyd Wright). Let us not censor or berate those that design and build and create and render with their vision of life no matter how different it is from another's vision.

Well said. I am back on my ship now, in my room and no one peeking over my shoulder. I was in another thread that featured MY Wonder Woman costume, and I am creating a render for it. It seems one man's art is another man's filth. Oh well, diversity makes the world go around...

If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.

I have the up most respect for the U.S. Soldiers,That keeps me safe :)

I really hated how Vietnam Vets were treated.

I had a parent get bent over his kid seeing my Art when I had a web site.

His kid saw my url on my stat page of a War game.

So I told the parent he can get web child safety app's.

What struck me as funny was

The parent was upset his kid saw some sexy girls but didn't get up set that his kid plays War games.

So it's fine to blow up a city but don't look at the naked girls after you blow there close off.

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DreaminGirl posted at 4:03AM Wed, 23 September 2015 - #4230226

Huh.. I guess it's a cultural thing..

If it was ME getting an earful from that mum, I would have told her to keep her brat in check and teach him not to stick his nose where it doesn't belong.. looking at other peoples computers is rude! Then I would have told her to mind her own business. I would certainly NOT have apologized! But then again, over here people would not have reacted to that ad anyway. Nudity is mostly considered natural and not dirty.

I can only guess you are American ;)

It's a struggle but one by one where muzzling all the censors. Thought it's the lest we could do ,since they have such a fetish for them ;)

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I don't look that much in the gallery, but do agree that there are lots of half nude picture and "sexual" content available. But personally i don't mind that much, its all expression in my opinion. I used to do a lot of classical drawing and doing that it is very common that you draw nude people and a single drawing can take between 1-6+ hours. At first you have to get used to it as it can be a bit strange if you ain't. But its part of learning to draw humans, emotions, motion, weight, proportions etc . I doubt you will find a lot of very skilled artists that don't do croquis or have studied some sort of classic art etc. Its quite normal for anyone studying art. Why wouldn't people complain about all the famous artist, Leonardo da Vinci, Michelangelo, Rubens etc. loads of there art is fully naked people, babies. People getting tortured etc. If art doesn't push people or make them think, enjoy, despise or reflect about it, whats the purpose then?

To me at least art is art and we all like different types. but in the end, the most important thing is that they make people react, if people didn't. Art would be dead a long time ago. :)

And regardless of nudity, would anyone complain about Leonardo da Vinci or Michelangelo for making so many nude drawings and statues? At least i wont, they are absolutely amazing pieces of art. Anyway just my opinion :D

I really don't mind artistic nudity, I do a fair bit of that myself, but this 'slut-ception' wave that is going through the marketplace and community is getting rather old and ridiculous. How about something NEW for a change? Something that actually makes me want to buy something?

Just a note: This topic, or rather this theme of discussion, comes up fairly often. At times, it has "blown up" and caused some pretty big changes, here and there, to various sites in the community. In short:

This really isn't anything new.

But, in this instance of the ever-popular subject, I think that Renderosity may have a bit more relaxed product restrictions than some old-timers are used to seeing. Quite a while ago, I remember seeing the first truly suggestive BDSM product for sale on Renderosity. It wasn't that it was the first, it was that it was so stunningly presented and unabashedly ashamed. There's nothing wrong with that, but it was a bit of a wake-up call - Certain sites have more restriction on such content and, apparently, Renderosity has broadened its criteria for acceptable products. This "broadening" has been going on for quite awhile, though, with little comment from this community.

I don't care what people do with their software, as long as its legal. As it's likely that 90% of what a typical user does with Poser is related to personal porn, it's useless to try to pretend that unmentionables don't get mentioned and Tab A isn't put into Slot B in the majority of personal renders...

HOWEVER, and there is one exception to that opinion - Products that are sexually suggestive and renders that are so should be restricted content. That's really the only way to do it and to avoid future problems. (And, yes, that argument comes up every couple of years, sometimes leading the creation of new sites.)

I don't really care about it either, but I don't like it when I get called out because of it. That woman who berated me about that ad that I posted really spun me up, but I couldn't really tell her where to go and what do with herself when she got there like I wanted to. The atmosphere has changed so much for the military it isn't even funny. I could see the writing on the wall when we had the big debacle known as 'Tail Hook' in the '90's and the fallout from there. It has gotten progressively worse over the years. I still think I retired at the best possible time for me and my beliefs. I would have been thrown out on my ear if I had stayed in and voiced my opinion of the direction the military in general was going. Not my cup of tea, so the saying goes. I don't normally even have an opinion on most of these matters until someone tries to shove theirs in my face. That seems to happen a lot more than it used to. No wonder my own mother calls me an antisocial loner. It's the only way I can keep my sanity.

I wouldn't have to manage my anger if people would just manage their stupidity.

One thing that does puzzle me: this is a Poser site, a Poser community right? All the suggestive ads on here are for DAZ products. That alone gets my goat. But I guess it pays the bills, so not much can be done there. And I guess with the plethora of people using DAZ products in Poser, it will stay that way. Except why all the G3 stuff when you can't use them in Poser?

Just my two cents. Flame me if you will. I really don't care. Oh and just to be perfectly clear: I AM NOT TRYING TO START ANOTHER P vs D FLAMING WAR. I am just curious, that's all...

If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.

I think this is a 3D site but not exclusively for one product. Why all the G3 stuff? It does pay the bills but I'm thinking some vendors just wish to work on the latest offerings. Shucks I would buy Lilflames and outoftouch's latest offerings on sight if they were for Poser (specifically for V4). Still it's almost 2016 and Christmas is right around the corner. Smith Micro seems to be dedicated to the product so hopefully they'll work with DAZ so that all can profit. They've done it before, maybe they'll do it again.

My mom just calls me a nut. I love her so and she is normally right about everything!

Renderosity tried to make it for any 3D app's Max ,zBrush etc etc but There's more Poser users here then any other App.

Renderosity is a store like wally world and will sale any thing .max .obj's etc etc

I wouldn't exspect DAZ characters to support Poser any more. The tech is moving father n farther apart.

Poserdome is having a very very difficult time letting go of DAZ ,nothing last forever.

HiveWire would have had it made ,if they could have taken the name DAZ with them.

Modo didn't take the name Lightwave with them but there name Modo is as big as Lightwaves now.

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I think what surprises me the most and least to put it weirdly, is that people gets so worked up about it. I do agree that purely pornographic content doesn't belong on a site like this. But suggestive content just doesn't make me angry, i think i would be more amazed if there was nothing of the sort. What i mean by that is that no matter where you look today, you have music videos with people wearing hardly anything and sometimes nothing at all, like that girl on the ball, Miley Cirus or something. You have TV shows where the whole concept is to view drunk and half naked people, with the hope from the producers side that with all the alcohol etc. these people will loose control so they can make some money on cheap entertainment. The whole society (Depending on where you are from ofc) is filled with these things. So why anyone would think or assume that there were nothing like that on a website where people can post art and stuff they have made, is surprising to me. At least to me if people aim at expression themselves through there work and it involves suggestive content, it shouldn't just be written off as some garbage, it can be very elegant made, and its still a hell lot better than any reality TV or music videos which only purpose is to make money and in the process "sell" the people as sexual objects which remove some of craftsmanship that these artists after all have. Madonna already "shocked" the world back in the days, now its just normal :D

I am at the point where I am going to install an ad blocker. Not because the content offends me, but because I will never click on them to buy anything. If I want it, I am fairly capable now of creating it. I won't spend money on what they are selling so I might as well not see it. AND it keeps me from getting barked at by some mother who isn't controlling her child in a public place and sees what she thinks is porn and yells at me. Because the next time, I might yell back. And then I'd be in trouble that I don't need.

If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.

Rokket I still don't know what add momma saw but if it's from here ,couldn't have been that bad.

I can tell she really pissed you off but I've built my time behind bars.Just nothing worth building on.

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Scroll back a page or two, I posted it when the incident happened. Yeah, she made me mad. But luckily for me, the most that would happen if I yelled at her is I would get barred from the base for a month. I am not the kind of man who would ever lay hands on a woman, even if she hit me first, so no worries there.

If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.

rokket posted at 8:28PM Fri, 25 September 2015 - #4230616

I wouldn't have to manage my anger if people would just manage their stupidity.

They can't help it, but you can. :)

Stupid people aren't always stupid, sometimes they're just ignorant. Either of these sorts of people are really not "at fault" for what they do. In one case, they can't do any better and, in the other, they don't know how.

Don't get upset by these people. There's only one sort that should get you a bit hot-under-the-collar and that's the "willfully ignorant." Those people are smart enough to know better, but don't care to do so. :D

I'm all confused. your not a Soldier any more so now your a civilian. Civilians can go on to a Army base ?

I've never done time for hitting a girl

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RorrKonn posted at 7:58PM Fri, 25 September 2015 - #4230821

I'm all confused. your not a Soldier any more so now your a civilian. Civilians can go on to a Army base ?

I've never done time for hitting a girl

I am retired Navy and I work for the federal government now as a civil service mariner. I was not on an Army base, I was on a Navy base in Japan.

If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.

Morkonan posted at 7:59PM Fri, 25 September 2015 - #4230820

rokket posted at 8:28PM Fri, 25 September 2015 - #4230616

I wouldn't have to manage my anger if people would just manage their stupidity.

They can't help it, but you can. :)

Stupid people aren't always stupid, sometimes they're just ignorant. Either of these sorts of people are really not "at fault" for what they do. In one case, they can't do any better and, in the other, they don't know how.

Don't get upset by these people. There's only one sort that should get you a bit hot-under-the-collar and that's the "willfully ignorant." Those people are smart enough to know better, but don't care to do so. :D

Like Forest Gump says "stupid is as stupid does"!

If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.

rokket posted at 3:51AM Sat, 26 September 2015 - #4230829

RorrKonn posted at 7:58PM Fri, 25 September 2015 - #4230821

I'm all confused. your not a Soldier any more so now your a civilian. Civilians can go on to a Army base ?

I've never done time for hitting a girl

I am retired Navy and I work for the federal government now as a civil service mariner. I was not on an Army base, I was on a Navy base in Japan.

I hear about Japanese ready porn in public. your add is rated G. momma's just in the wrong frame of mind for where she is.

but you conducted your self professionally while being on your employers base. Goog Job.

to hell with momma

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Porn in public is going away slowly but surely. Years ago you could walk into a Family Mart (the Japanese version of 7/11) and there were magazine racks full of it. Now, the magazines are still there, but they are wrapped in plastic and you have to buy them to read them. And there are fewer of them. You can still see the Hentai and Manga books everywhere. A lot of them have sex scenes in them, but the genitals are censored.

If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.

I would think the uncensored web is killing Japanese censored businesses. I wouldn't buy stock in them.

In business the majority rules.no one likes censorship.

One cool thing about Renderosity is there not censorship ridiculous.

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I wouldn't try to put one of the drawings I have in my gallery at another Poser related site (that begins with an R and doesn't end with -otica) in my gallery here. Admittedly, it's kinda abstract but I don't think it would pass here if someone took the time to look closely.

Edit_ in regard to said image, I thought for sure it would be removed from that gallery but all the gallery mod said was something like "pretty wild, but well executed."

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"This is not a pipe"? Did I translate that right?

If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.

The Treachery of Images

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Ahhhh.... ok!

If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.

lol

I'm not a prude, but I have been actually SHOCKED AND EMBARESSED to see PRODUCTS in the Rendo Marketplace that make me blush and/or want to throw up... I just can't believe they ALLOW that sort of content...I thought it was only at renderotica ! They NEVER would have allowed that before!!

and yes, the gallery experience is dying...I finally tried to find a way to comment on my art's commenters...and had to click so much, and WAIT so long for pages to load, I got VERY frustrated and ran to yell at Rendo (again) in the community forum.... I really am being PUSHED by this site to leave... and it's so darn sad when this place USED TO feel like home!!!

Life Requires Assembly and we all know how THAT goes!

hush up I was in the pet shop (with my daughter and G'kids) and some of the "dog chew" toys wouldn't have looked out of place in a sex shop

heddheld posted at 2:31PM Sat, 03 October 2015 - #4232132

hush up I was in the pet shop (with my daughter and G'kids) and some of the "dog chew" toys wouldn't have looked out of place in a sex shop

I know what you mean. My boss has a little terrier that he has pictures of all over his office. In one of those pictures, there is a chew toy just like you mentioned sitting near the dog. When I saw it, I asked him jokingly if the dog had gotten into his wife's secret stash. He said he told her it looked like one of those things when she brought it home for the dog.

If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.

with all due respect to the previous conversation(s) going on here............... I just checked back into this community after a long leave of absence, and while I love some of the old members and the old names that I recognize..... this site now sucks. I will delete my whole account and history here, even though the nostalgic side of me hurts for it, I have to do it.

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I frequently feel the desire to remove all traces of myself from Renderosity. But my enormous list of product downloads keeps me firmly fastened to the site. That and a handful of vendors who don't sell anywhere else. Above all, I think of this site as a marketplace, and I mainly come here for the vendors. Seems wrong to punish them for my own feelings about the site design, forum behaviors, or kitchy and/or hyper sexualized galleries.

To be sure, the more time I spend on the site -- in forums, galleries, freestuff, etc -- the more money I spend on content. So it hasn't been much lately at all. But not gonna abandon the content creators whose stuff I truly adore over things that no longer affect me the moment I close my browser.

As for "Where did it all go wrong?" LOL. Ah, it's the market. As soon as you permit anything like a wide open market for anything, all the high brow pretensions are going to disappear. Checked out the state of ebook publishing lately? Now that editors no longer control the flow of words, anything and everything is being offered, almost all of it utter and complete trash. In comparison, this site is a glowing example of restraint and quality, most likely because the store does not simply allow anyone to sell anything without any quality control. In other words, I don't think it's gone wrong at all. The market is functioning exactly as it's supposed to. :)

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Maybe i have a different view on this or maybe looking the wrong places. But since i haven't spend a lot of time in the galleries i decided to take a look and see what all this "sexual" disturbance was all about. Besides there being some very well made stuff there, i don't see what all the fuzz is about, There are images everywhere from landscapes to toilets and rockets etc. But only very few images that seem to contain "sexual" content to me. Am i looking the wrong place, because i don't see it. Can someone link some stuff that they consider over the edge or tell me if im looking the wrong place?

I think Paul is referring to the prevalence of scank wear and anatomical focus of alot of the imagery occuring on the site, in particular the marketplace. I'll go out on a limb and say that perhaps it just got tiresome and coupled with a sense of artistic disillusionment brought about by various factors (that we all face) maybe... the reason for OP's commentary. Who can say? Probably more complex than spoken face value.

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